Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

[Guest Diane]

We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008 box.

The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003 servers. We

know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I have had no luck

finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in an existing domain. Most

information I found discusses deployment in a new 2008 domain. I have found

the requirements for exchange in an existing domain.

 

Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called MS

pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is they

thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this is the case

or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing domain? Pointers to

resources would be MUCH appreciated.

 

Thank you for all help and guidance.

[Guest kj [SBS MVP]]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Diane wrote:

> We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008

> box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

> servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

> have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in

> an existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment

> in a new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in

> an existing domain.

>

> Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called

> MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

> they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

> is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

> domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

>

> Thank you for all help and guidance.

 

2008 can be added to any AD domain as a 'member server'. Exchange 2007

though has some additional requirements;

 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719.aspx

 

--

/kj

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Hello Diane,

 

You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing domain,

doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008

> box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

> servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

> have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in an

> existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in a

> new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

> existing domain.

>

> Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called

> MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

> they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

> is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

> domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

>

> Thank you for all help and guidance.

>

[Guest Diane]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Hello Meinolf and kj -

 

My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions - does the

domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

 

Thank you again,

 

Diane

 

"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello Diane,

>

> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing domain,

> doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

> no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>

>

> > We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008

> > box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

> > servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

> > have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in an

> > existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in a

> > new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

> > existing domain.

> >

> > Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called

> > MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

> > they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

> > is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

> > domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you for all help and guidance.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest Meinolf Weber]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Hello Diane,

 

Think you talk about the forest/domain functional levels? If the 2008 is

a member server it doesn't matter.

 

Best regards

 

Meinolf Weber

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> Hello Meinolf and kj -

>

> My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions -

> does the domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

>

> Thank you again,

>

> Diane

>

> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

>

>> Hello Diane,

>>

>> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

>> domain, doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

>>

>> Best regards

>>

>> Meinolf Weber

>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> confers

>> no rights.

>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>> We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard

>>> 2008 box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some

>>> Win2003 servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded,

>>> however, I have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a

>>> 2008 box in an existing domain. Most information I found discusses

>>> deployment in a new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for

>>> exchange in an existing domain.

>>>

>>> Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I

>>> called MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could

>>> offer is they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone

>>> confirm if this is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in

>>> an existing domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH

>>> appreciated.

>>>

>>> Thank you for all help and guidance.

>>>

[Guest Diane]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Yes - thank you again Meinolf.

 

"Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> Hello Diane,

>

> Think you talk about the forest/domain functional levels? If the 2008 is

> a member server it doesn't matter.

>

> Best regards

>

> Meinolf Weber

> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

> no rights.

> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>

>

> > Hello Meinolf and kj -

> >

> > My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions -

> > does the domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

> >

> > Thank you again,

> >

> > Diane

> >

> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> >

> >> Hello Diane,

> >>

> >> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

> >> domain, doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

> >>

> >> Best regards

> >>

> >> Meinolf Weber

> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> >> confers

> >> no rights.

> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

> >>> We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard

> >>> 2008 box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some

> >>> Win2003 servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded,

> >>> however, I have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a

> >>> 2008 box in an existing domain. Most information I found discusses

> >>> deployment in a new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for

> >>> exchange in an existing domain.

> >>>

> >>> Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I

> >>> called MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could

> >>> offer is they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone

> >>> confirm if this is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in

> >>> an existing domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH

> >>> appreciated.

> >>>

> >>> Thank you for all help and guidance.

> >>>

>

>

>

[Guest Dusko Savatovic]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

The requirement for Exchange 2007 is that the domain functional level is

Windows 2000 native (minimum) or later.

But since you already have Exch 2007, your domain functional level is

already at that level.

 

So, go ahead and install Win2008 member server without a problem.

One problem, that you may encounter is if you use NTBACKUP to backup your

Exchange. NTBackup in Win2003 is Exchange aware, while Windows Backup in

Win2008 is NOT.

 

HTH Dush

 

"Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:6D78588A-B791-4FD8-A1D0-ABF0FD6FDAE4@microsoft.com...

> Hello Meinolf and kj -

>

> My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions - does

> the

> domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

>

> Thank you again,

>

> Diane

>

> "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

>

>> Hello Diane,

>>

>> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

>> domain,

>> doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

>>

>> Best regards

>>

>> Meinolf Weber

>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> confers

>> no rights.

>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>>

>>

>> > We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008

>> > box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

>> > servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

>> > have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in an

>> > existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in a

>> > new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

>> > existing domain.

>> >

>> > Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called

>> > MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

>> > they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

>> > is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

>> > domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

>> >

>> > Thank you for all help and guidance.

>> >

>>

>>

>>

[Guest Diane]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Hi Dush - Thanks, it does help. We do not have Ex2007 yet - we are planning

the next steps and one question is what OS to use 2008 or 2003 R2. Our

domain now is not native, so we will need to take that step for the Ex2007

install.

 

What would be your opinion on the 2008 vs 2003 R2 question? Our concern is

2008 has not been around long...

 

Thanks Again,

 

Diane

 

 

 

"Dusko Savatovic" wrote:

> The requirement for Exchange 2007 is that the domain functional level is

> Windows 2000 native (minimum) or later.

> But since you already have Exch 2007, your domain functional level is

> already at that level.

>

> So, go ahead and install Win2008 member server without a problem.

> One problem, that you may encounter is if you use NTBACKUP to backup your

> Exchange. NTBackup in Win2003 is Exchange aware, while Windows Backup in

> Win2008 is NOT.

>

> HTH Dush

>

> "Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:6D78588A-B791-4FD8-A1D0-ABF0FD6FDAE4@microsoft.com...

> > Hello Meinolf and kj -

> >

> > My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions - does

> > the

> > domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

> >

> > Thank you again,

> >

> > Diane

> >

> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

> >

> >> Hello Diane,

> >>

> >> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

> >> domain,

> >> doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

> >>

> >> Best regards

> >>

> >> Meinolf Weber

> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

> >> confers

> >> no rights.

> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

> >>

> >>

> >> > We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard 2008

> >> > box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

> >> > servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

> >> > have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in an

> >> > existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in a

> >> > new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

> >> > existing domain.

> >> >

> >> > Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I called

> >> > MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

> >> > they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

> >> > is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

> >> > domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

> >> >

> >> > Thank you for all help and guidance.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

[Guest Dusko Savatovic]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

Since the requirement for Exchange 2007 is 64-bit OS, I would definitely go

for Windows 2008.

Since you're going for Exchange 2007, I would definitely recommend brand

name computer. With brand name modern computers that I've installed, Win

2008 is better choice than Win2003. They have some modern devices that are

not even used or don't work with 2003. When I installed Win 2003 on one

modern computer I had unrecognized devices for TPM, some Intel monitoring

device and SoundMax Audio (for audio I could find Vista x64 driver, but not

Win 2003/Win XP x64 driver, 32-bit didn't work).

 

Another argument would be that Win 2003 is really at the end of life (as far

as improvements and new features are concerned), while we can expect at

least 5 years of healthy and timely support for Win 2008.

 

Another factor in making a decision is backup solution. I'd definitely go

for some good quality third party solution. Windows 2008 does not have

Exchange aware backup, but I've heard that Microsoft is working on the

solution for SMB's. OTOH, Windows 2003 NTBackup is Exchange aware solution,

but I wouldn't trust my company on it (reasons: support of hardware like

jukebox tapes, some problems when the size of the backup file reaches

250GB).

 

Regards, Dush

 

"Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:26397C77-9899-4064-845C-E2416C4DA18C@microsoft.com...

> Hi Dush - Thanks, it does help. We do not have Ex2007 yet - we are

> planning

> the next steps and one question is what OS to use 2008 or 2003 R2. Our

> domain now is not native, so we will need to take that step for the Ex2007

> install.

>

> What would be your opinion on the 2008 vs 2003 R2 question? Our concern

> is

> 2008 has not been around long...

>

> Thanks Again,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> "Dusko Savatovic" wrote:

>

>> The requirement for Exchange 2007 is that the domain functional level is

>> Windows 2000 native (minimum) or later.

>> But since you already have Exch 2007, your domain functional level is

>> already at that level.

>>

>> So, go ahead and install Win2008 member server without a problem.

>> One problem, that you may encounter is if you use NTBACKUP to backup your

>> Exchange. NTBackup in Win2003 is Exchange aware, while Windows Backup in

>> Win2008 is NOT.

>>

>> HTH Dush

>>

>> "Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:6D78588A-B791-4FD8-A1D0-ABF0FD6FDAE4@microsoft.com...

>> > Hello Meinolf and kj -

>> >

>> > My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions -

>> > does

>> > the

>> > domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

>> >

>> > Thank you again,

>> >

>> > Diane

>> >

>> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hello Diane,

>> >>

>> >> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

>> >> domain,

>> >> doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards

>> >>

>> >> Meinolf Weber

>> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> >> confers

>> >> no rights.

>> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard

>> >> > 2008

>> >> > box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

>> >> > servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

>> >> > have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in

>> >> > an

>> >> > existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in

>> >> > a

>> >> > new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

>> >> > existing domain.

>> >> >

>> >> > Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I

>> >> > called

>> >> > MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

>> >> > they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

>> >> > is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

>> >> > domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thank you for all help and guidance.

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>>

>>

[Guest Dusko Savatovic]

Re: Windows 2008 in Existing Domain - Rqmts??

 

I forgot to comment on domain and forest functional levels.

 

Domain/Forest functional levels concern only how domain controllers talk

between themselves.

The Windows 2000 mixed mode or Windows 2003 interim mode is only required if

you have Windows NT 4 domain controllers. I repeat, only Windows NT4 Domain

Controllers, but it is irelevant if you have Windows NT 4 member servers. I

stress this because some people are reluctant to raise the domain functional

level to Windows 2000 native mode when they have some (or even only one)

Windows NT 4 computer that is member server or workstation.

 

Windows 2000 mixed mode domain functional level is the least common

denominator and it does not allow the use of universal groups (because

Windows NT 4 DC's don't know anything about universal groups, they didn't

exist in their time). However, Exchange 2007 requires universal groups and

indeed uses mostly universal groups. That's why the minimum functional level

is Windows 2000 native mode. This mode allows existence of Win 2000 and Win

2003 DC's. When you get rid of all Win 2000 DC's (again DC's, not member

servers), you can raise domain functional level to Windows 2003 mode. You

then get better replication of multivalued attributes and ability to enable

universal group membership caching on the site level. Another concern with

Exchange 2007 is that it must have a Windows 2003 global catalog (GC), (it

cannot use Win 2000 GC). When in all domains in your forest you have only

Win 2003 DC's, you can raise forest functional level to Windows 2003. You

then get ability to form forest trusts (this feature is not available with

Win 2000 DC's). Up until now, I've been avoiding explaining Win 2008

domain/forest functional level. Let's get into it now. As far as forest

functional level is concerned, there's no new features. With domain level,

we have Read Only DC's (RODC). In fact Win2003/2008 DC's work pretty well

together and it's easy to introduce Win 2008 DC's into existing forest. It

requires just a few ADPREP commands. The only thing of concern is RODC, it

must replicate from full Win 2008 DC (cannot replicate from another Win 2008

RODC).

 

IOW, if you have only Win 2000/2003 DC's, go raise domain functional level

to at least Win 2000 native mode (preferably Win 2003 mode). Also, don't be

shy to introduce Win 2008 DC's (but not on Exchange Server). BTW Exchange

and DC roles don't go together well in any combination, be it Win 2000, 2003

or 2008. The exception is SBS, but that is another story.

 

Regards, Dush

 

"Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:26397C77-9899-4064-845C-E2416C4DA18C@microsoft.com...

> Hi Dush - Thanks, it does help. We do not have Ex2007 yet - we are

> planning

> the next steps and one question is what OS to use 2008 or 2003 R2. Our

> domain now is not native, so we will need to take that step for the Ex2007

> install.

>

> What would be your opinion on the 2008 vs 2003 R2 question? Our concern

> is

> 2008 has not been around long...

>

> Thanks Again,

>

> Diane

>

>

>

> "Dusko Savatovic" wrote:

>

>> The requirement for Exchange 2007 is that the domain functional level is

>> Windows 2000 native (minimum) or later.

>> But since you already have Exch 2007, your domain functional level is

>> already at that level.

>>

>> So, go ahead and install Win2008 member server without a problem.

>> One problem, that you may encounter is if you use NTBACKUP to backup your

>> Exchange. NTBackup in Win2003 is Exchange aware, while Windows Backup in

>> Win2008 is NOT.

>>

>> HTH Dush

>>

>> "Diane" <Diane@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:6D78588A-B791-4FD8-A1D0-ABF0FD6FDAE4@microsoft.com...

>> > Hello Meinolf and kj -

>> >

>> > My thanks to you both for your replies. One additional questions -

>> > does

>> > the

>> > domain (2000 or 2003) need to be native?

>> >

>> > Thank you again,

>> >

>> > Diane

>> >

>> > "Meinolf Weber" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hello Diane,

>> >>

>> >> You can add a 2008 member server without any problem to an existing

>> >> domain,

>> >> doesn't matter if 2000 or 2003.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards

>> >>

>> >> Meinolf Weber

>> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and

>> >> confers

>> >> no rights.

>> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups

>> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > We are looking at putting in Exchange 2007 on a Windows Standard

>> >> > 2008

>> >> > box. The existing environment is a Win2k domain with some Win2003

>> >> > servers. We know the environment needs to be upgraded, however, I

>> >> > have had no luck finding the requirements for putting a 2008 box in

>> >> > an

>> >> > existing domain. Most information I found discusses deployment in

>> >> > a

>> >> > new 2008 domain. I have found the requirements for exchange in an

>> >> > existing domain.

>> >> >

>> >> > Can anyone point me to resources with information on 2008? I

>> >> > called

>> >> > MS pre-sales after much searching myself and all they could offer is

>> >> > they thought the domain had to be 2008. Can someone confirm if this

>> >> > is the case or, if it possible to put a 2008 box in an existing

>> >> > domain? Pointers to resources would be MUCH appreciated.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thank you for all help and guidance.

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>>

>>