Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 On Sunday I plugged in a 3rd harddrive. I unplugged my CD drive and put this 3rd drive on the second IDE channel. The first one has my normal two drives. The drives are #1 = 40gig with 2 partitions. #2 = 30gig with 4 smaller partitions. When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the last couple days to rearrange some files. The problem is that ever since I hooked up that 3rd harddrive, my computer was constantly falling asleep. If I copied or deleted a bunch of files, the computer would hang for as much as several minutes after the operation was completed. Webpages would stop working, but after many seconds or several minutes they would come back to life. Even my email and newsreader software went to "frozen mode". It's like the whole computer would just stop for awhile. After trying all kinds of things with Win98se, and restoring an older backup, nothing fixed the problem. Then I recalled that this all began when I plugged in that 3rd drive. I unplugged that 3rd drive, and now everything works fine again..... Why the heck does that happen? I could read and write to that drive without problems, except the temporary freezes afterwards. Yes, I did change the bios to this drive, and not the CD drive. Partition Magic shows this drive is working fine and has a FAT32 partition. I dont believe a 40gig partition is even close to the size limit for Win98se. I cant understand this problem. Thanks for all friendly advice
Guest glee Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting Is the drive jumpered correctly? If it is on the secondary IDE channel as master, it should be jumpered as Master unless it is a Western Digital, in which case it should be jumpered as Single. Also, are you using an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable or just a 40-wire, 40-pin cable? If the drive is ATA/66 or greater, it needs an 80-conductor cable to enable ATA/66 or greater transfers.....and the drive should also be on the correct connector on the cable, color-coded for Master. The IDE cable may just be faulty. Is UDMA enabled for that IDE channel in the BIOS? Is UDMA enabled for that IDE channel in Windows? Have you run a diagnostic on that hard drive to see if there are any problems with the drive? Testing a Suspect Hard Drive: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30382 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:p07ab4h7gt6ga1n9d81fuur681iq80bai4@4ax.com... > On Sunday I plugged in a 3rd harddrive. I unplugged my CD drive and > put this 3rd drive on the second IDE channel. The first one has my > normal two drives. The drives are #1 = 40gig with 2 partitions. #2 = > 30gig with 4 smaller partitions. > > When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as > the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in > temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the > last couple days to rearrange some files. > > The problem is that ever since I hooked up that 3rd harddrive, my > computer was constantly falling asleep. If I copied or deleted a > bunch of files, the computer would hang for as much as several minutes > after the operation was completed. Webpages would stop working, but > after many seconds or several minutes they would come back to life. > Even my email and newsreader software went to "frozen mode". It's > like the whole computer would just stop for awhile. > > After trying all kinds of things with Win98se, and restoring an older > backup, nothing fixed the problem. Then I recalled that this all > began when I plugged in that 3rd drive. I unplugged that 3rd drive, > and now everything works fine again..... > > Why the heck does that happen? > I could read and write to that drive without problems, except the > temporary freezes afterwards. Yes, I did change the bios to this > drive, and not the CD drive. Partition Magic shows this drive is > working fine and has a FAT32 partition. > I dont believe a 40gig partition is even close to the size limit for > Win98se. > > I cant understand this problem. > > Thanks for all friendly advice
Guest MEB Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting In addition to Glen's response: Win98 has difficulties manipulating large numbers of files and/or folders. It has been discussed repeatedly in this group and elsewhere and relates to the IE6 browser files and the shell/explorer.. Win98 has difficulties, at times, manipulating files which exceed 2 gig. Win98 has several updates which address larger drives and aspects they have, and unless they are installed, large drives may not work as expected. Unless the BIOS was set at AUTO detect for that channel, it may have residual settings from the CDROM drive. The BIOS must also have the proper settings for Block Mode, DMA, and other. And, depending upon the hard drive size and other settings, files, and other, the drive MAY be at or over the BIOS limitations or system limitations.. -- MEB -- _________ "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:%23FcLeqCCJHA.1632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Is the drive jumpered correctly? If it is on the secondary IDE channel as master, it | should be jumpered as Master unless it is a Western Digital, in which case it should | be jumpered as Single. Also, are you using an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable or just a | 40-wire, 40-pin cable? If the drive is ATA/66 or greater, it needs an 80-conductor | cable to enable ATA/66 or greater transfers.....and the drive should also be on the | correct connector on the cable, color-coded for Master. | | The IDE cable may just be faulty. | | Is UDMA enabled for that IDE channel in the BIOS? | Is UDMA enabled for that IDE channel in Windows? | | Have you run a diagnostic on that hard drive to see if there are any problems with | the drive? | Testing a Suspect Hard Drive: | http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30382 | | -- | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ | http://dts-l.net/ | http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm | | | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message | news:p07ab4h7gt6ga1n9d81fuur681iq80bai4@4ax.com... | > On Sunday I plugged in a 3rd harddrive. I unplugged my CD drive and | > put this 3rd drive on the second IDE channel. The first one has my | > normal two drives. The drives are #1 = 40gig with 2 partitions. #2 = | > 30gig with 4 smaller partitions. | > | > When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as | > the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in | > temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the | > last couple days to rearrange some files. | > | > The problem is that ever since I hooked up that 3rd harddrive, my | > computer was constantly falling asleep. If I copied or deleted a | > bunch of files, the computer would hang for as much as several minutes | > after the operation was completed. Webpages would stop working, but | > after many seconds or several minutes they would come back to life. | > Even my email and newsreader software went to "frozen mode". It's | > like the whole computer would just stop for awhile. | > | > After trying all kinds of things with Win98se, and restoring an older | > backup, nothing fixed the problem. Then I recalled that this all | > began when I plugged in that 3rd drive. I unplugged that 3rd drive, | > and now everything works fine again..... | > | > Why the heck does that happen? | > I could read and write to that drive without problems, except the | > temporary freezes afterwards. Yes, I did change the bios to this | > drive, and not the CD drive. Partition Magic shows this drive is | > working fine and has a FAT32 partition. | > I dont believe a 40gig partition is even close to the size limit for | > Win98se. | > | > I cant understand this problem. | > | > Thanks for all friendly advice |
Guest MEB Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting Before someone points out the 40gig aspect: Obviously several of the suggestions are for general advise, not related to this issue directly. -- MEB -- _________
Guest Lil' Dave Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:p07ab4h7gt6ga1n9d81fuur681iq80bai4@4ax.com... > On Sunday I plugged in a 3rd harddrive. I unplugged my CD drive and > put this 3rd drive on the second IDE channel. The first one has my > normal two drives. The drives are #1 = 40gig with 2 partitions. #2 = > 30gig with 4 smaller partitions. > > When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as > the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in > temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the > last couple days to rearrange some files. > > The problem is that ever since I hooked up that 3rd harddrive, my > computer was constantly falling asleep. If I copied or deleted a > bunch of files, the computer would hang for as much as several minutes > after the operation was completed. Webpages would stop working, but > after many seconds or several minutes they would come back to life. > Even my email and newsreader software went to "frozen mode". It's > like the whole computer would just stop for awhile. > > After trying all kinds of things with Win98se, and restoring an older > backup, nothing fixed the problem. Then I recalled that this all > began when I plugged in that 3rd drive. I unplugged that 3rd drive, > and now everything works fine again..... > > Why the heck does that happen? > I could read and write to that drive without problems, except the > temporary freezes afterwards. Yes, I did change the bios to this > drive, and not the CD drive. Partition Magic shows this drive is > working fine and has a FAT32 partition. > I dont believe a 40gig partition is even close to the size limit for > Win98se. > > I cant understand this problem. > > Thanks for all friendly advice Been a problem in the past for me when putting a Maxtor and Western Digital drive in the same PC on ide. Doesn't matter if on same ide cable or not. Symptoms range from what you're experiencing to not booting at all. Not a jumper problem either. Drives function quite well when their "nemesis" is not onboard. Experienced same with an IBM drive and Western Digital as well on same ribbon cable. In all cases, the only solution was removing one of the drives from the PC for normal usage. -- Dave
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:49:10 -0500, "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote: ><letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message >news:p07ab4h7gt6ga1n9d81fuur681iq80bai4@4ax.com... >> On Sunday I plugged in a 3rd harddrive. I unplugged my CD drive and >> put this 3rd drive on the second IDE channel. The first one has my >> normal two drives. The drives are #1 = 40gig with 2 partitions. #2 = >> 30gig with 4 smaller partitions. >> >> When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as >> the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in >> temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the >> last couple days to rearrange some files. >> >> The problem is that ever since I hooked up that 3rd harddrive, my >> computer was constantly falling asleep. If I copied or deleted a >> bunch of files, the computer would hang for as much as several minutes >> after the operation was completed. Webpages would stop working, but >> after many seconds or several minutes they would come back to life. >> Even my email and newsreader software went to "frozen mode". It's >> like the whole computer would just stop for awhile. >> >> After trying all kinds of things with Win98se, and restoring an older >> backup, nothing fixed the problem. Then I recalled that this all >> began when I plugged in that 3rd drive. I unplugged that 3rd drive, >> and now everything works fine again..... >> >> Why the heck does that happen? >> I could read and write to that drive without problems, except the >> temporary freezes afterwards. Yes, I did change the bios to this >> drive, and not the CD drive. Partition Magic shows this drive is >> working fine and has a FAT32 partition. >> I dont believe a 40gig partition is even close to the size limit for >> Win98se. >> >> I cant understand this problem. >> >> Thanks for all friendly advice > >Been a problem in the past for me when putting a Maxtor and Western Digital >drive in the same PC on ide. Doesn't matter if on same ide cable or not. >Symptoms range from what you're experiencing to not booting at all. Not a >jumper problem either. Drives function quite well when their "nemesis" is >not onboard. Experienced same with an IBM drive and Western Digital as well >on same ribbon cable. In all cases, the only solution was removing one of >the drives from the PC for normal usage. That's interesting. My "normal" (permanent) drives are both Western Digital. This backup drive is a Maxtor. Everything else checks out normally, including cables, jumpers, drive condition, etc. Unplugging that drive fixed everything except for IE6 still freezing, but that is most likely an IE6 issue. To solve that I plan to run Ieradicate and go back to IE5.x, to fix the built in Windows Explorer issues. Then I'll just use Firefox and Opera for my browsers. I did notice that when I copy or delete a large number of files, my computer works fine as long as IE is not loaded, but if IE is loaded, the whole (or part of) the system freezes for several minutes. (this is after removing that Maxtor drive). Thanks for the feedback.
Guest easymike29 via WindowsKB.com Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting Did you "clone" or did you "back up"? If you "cloned" and left the cloned HD connected you can have problems. Gene letterman@invalid.com wrote: ........ >When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as >the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in >temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the >last couple days to rearrange some files....... >Thanks for all friendly advice -- Message posted via WindowsKB.com http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-98-general/200808/1
Guest easymike29 via WindowsKB.com Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting I guess I should have said that the HD which is the cloned copy of the original should not be left connected. Gene easymike29 wrote: >Did you "clone" or did you "back up"? >If you "cloned" and left the cloned HD connected you can have problems. >Gene > >........ >>When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as >>the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in >>temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the >>last couple days to rearrange some files....... >>Thanks for all friendly advice -- Message posted via WindowsKB.com http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-98-general/200808/1
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Third Harddrive Causing System Halting On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:53:46 GMT, "easymike29 via WindowsKB.com" <u23695@uwe> wrote: >Did you "clone" or did you "back up"? >If you "cloned" and left the cloned HD connected you can have problems. >Gene > I just backed up, using the COPY command in Windows. On my backup drive, I created a directory called CCC DDD EEE etc. My C: dir got copied to CCC My D: dir got copied to DDD, etc. for all 6 of my partitions. Just for the heck of it, I went to the windows backup on the backup drive, and renamed all the .EXE files to .EX_ in both the Windows and Windows/system directories. I also renamed win.com to win.co_. That did not change anything. >letterman@invalid.com wrote: >....... >>When I plugged in this 3rd drive, a 40gig drive, I partitioned it as >>the entire drive, no partitions. I only plugged this drive in >>temporarily to backup my entire system, but left it plugged in for the >>last couple days to rearrange some files....... >>Thanks for all friendly advice
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