Guest wrreisen2 Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be interupted? Thanks for any advice?
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. There's no such thing as a FAST backup utility, but Acronis is certainly faster than Windows Backup. And more secure, easier to restore whole partitions or just versions of files, etc. And, as you'll note here, the Home version supports 64-bit. http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/requirements.html Try the 15-day trial (though it certainly isn't long enough to decently work out a backup system, it will give you an idea of what speeds you might attain), and if you decide to buy, get it here. Cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=acronis&x=15&y=26 TinyURL for above link = http://tinyurl.com/5cad33 Another one I'd consider is: Image for Windows http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm However, note this line at the bottom of the product description: "Compatible with Win64 (x64) (AMD64/EM64T) but not with IA64, GPTs, nor Dynamic Drives." And while I hate Symantec to an unhealthy degree, many users swear by Ghost. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "wrreisen2" <wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5f972ebc-b1d6-404d-b622-d4d6d523b955@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? > > Thanks for any advice?
Guest chuckcar Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. wrreisen2 <wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5f972ebc-b1d6-404d-b622-d4d6d523b955@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? > > Thanks for any advice? If you don't have any documents open and it says a file you're backing up is open then you're backing up wrong to begin with. You backup *only* your documents, not windows, not installed programs, just *your* documents full stop. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Guest Harry Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Aug 27, 11:51 am, wrreisen2 <wrreis...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? Google is your friend. Google "copying file in use" .... http://alt.pluralsight.com/wiki/default.aspx/Craig/HoboCopy.html
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Baloney. Purely ignorant BS. And why the Follow-up setting? More ignorance? Header is fixed. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "chuckcar" <chuck@nil.car> wrote in message news:Xns9B079F0A5B7DFchucknilcar@127.0.0.1... > wrreisen2 <wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:5f972ebc-b1d6-404d-b622-d4d6d523b955@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > >> Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been >> using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in >> comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The >> problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often >> interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use >> and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as >> just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be >> interupted? >> >> Thanks for any advice? > > If you don't have any documents open and it says a file you're backing > up is open then you're backing up wrong to begin with. You backup *only* > your documents, not windows, not installed programs, just *your* > documents full stop. > > -- > (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right question, and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick." -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Harry" <harryooopotter@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7771bcf8-f97a-4bc3-ae12-1bec66708d61@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Aug 27, 11:51 am, wrreisen2 <wrreis...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? Google is your friend. Google "copying file in use" .... http://alt.pluralsight.com/wiki/default.aspx/Craig/HoboCopy.html
Guest Harry331 Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Gary S. Terhune wrote... > >Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right question, >and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please recommend backup >software for xp x64 that is quick." The OP's context of "quick" was that copy was slowed down by failure due to "file in use." If you use this context of "quick," it will be quicker.
Guest chuckcar Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:Odosw$ICJHA.1224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl: > Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right > question, and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please > recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick." > You want a quick answer, I'll give you a quick answer: pkzip. There, happy now? -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Guest chuckcar Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:OUyjT#ICJHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: "chuckcar" <chuck@nil.car> wrote in message news:Xns9B079F0A5B7DFchucknilcar@127.0.0.1... > wrreisen2 <wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:5f972ebc-b1d6-404d-b622-d4d6d523b955@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > >> Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have >> been using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in >> comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. >> The problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is >> often interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be >> in use and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as >> fast as just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely >> to be interupted? >> >> Thanks for any advice? > > If you don't have any documents open and it says a file you're backing > up is open then you're backing up wrong to begin with. You backup > *only* your documents, not windows, not installed programs, just > *your* documents full stop. > > Baloney. Purely ignorant BS. > Completely useless criticism and completely wrong as well. You *install* programs, you don't just copy them onto the hard drive. But then again, I'm supposed to accept the word of a Top-posting OE droid? Hardly. > And why the Follow-up setting? Because *that's* the group I read. Restored to normal behavior. > -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. wrreisen2 wrote: > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? > > Thanks for any advice? http://www.arkeia.com/
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I answered the OP's question, plain and simple. Copy/Paste is NOT a form of "backup software." Get your terminology straight. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Harry331" <harryooopotter@hotmail.co_> wrote in message news:Somtk.227367$gc5.150224@pd7urf2no... > Gary S. Terhune wrote... >> >>Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right question, >>and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please recommend >>backup >>software for xp x64 that is quick." > > The OP's context of "quick" was that copy was slowed down by > failure due to "file in use." > > If you use this context of "quick," it will be quicker. > > >
Guest Harry331 Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Gary S. Terhune wrote... > >I answered the OP's question, plain and simple. Copy/Paste is NOT a form of >"backup software." Get your terminology straight. Google "definition backup software." http://www.google.ca/search? hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Backup+software&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title Definitions of Backup software on the Web: Backup software is software designed to backup data for the purpose of having a second copy of an original source in case of damage to the ... Copy/Paste does not contradict this definition. Why don't you get your terminology straight? The laugh is on you!
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Nope. Not interested in a stupid dictionary-definitions-versus-real-world-usage argument. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Harry331" <harryooopotter@hotmail.co_> wrote in message news:sbqtk.228113$gc5.159936@pd7urf2no... > Gary S. Terhune wrote... >> >>I answered the OP's question, plain and simple. Copy/Paste is NOT a form >>of >>"backup software." Get your terminology straight. > > Google "definition backup software." > > http://www.google.ca/search? > hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Backup+software&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title > > Definitions of Backup software on the Web: > > Backup software is software designed to backup data for the purpose > of having a second copy of an original source in case of damage to > the ... > > Copy/Paste does not contradict this definition. > > Why don't you get your terminology straight? > The laugh is on you! > > >
Guest mscotgrove@aol.com Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Aug 27, 7:51 pm, wrreisen2 <wrreis...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > interupted? > > Thanks for any advice? To overcome the copy and paste problem use a DOS window and xcopy. I do this as part of my backup procedure by scheduling a call to a batch file that does an xcopy of critical files to a different PC. Backup speed is only part of the equation. The most important aspect is that backup must be done on a very regular basis. Anything added or changed between backups can be lost. I would therefore rate automation before speed. I often get customers saying they were going to backup their system next week. I am very found of the many online backup systems one can get. They monitor 24x7 and backup your selected files automatically. Unless you are generating large video files, online backup, once the main part is loaded, is reasonably quick. An initial upload may take a few weeks. You need two levels of backup to cope with a total drive failure. The first is an image of your drive such as generated by Ghost or Acronis, then you need a responsive, very up to date incremental backup of your data files that are changing. One copy of the data should always be in a different location eg home, office, mother in law, online storage, always subject to any security issues on the data Michael http://www.cnwrecovery.com
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Aug 28, 9:31 pm, "mscotgr...@aol.com" <mscotgr...@aol.com> wrote: > On Aug 27, 7:51 pm, wrreisen2 <wrreis...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > > interupted? > > > Thanks for any advice? > > To overcome the copy and paste problem use a DOS window and xcopy. I > do this as part of my backup procedure by scheduling a call to a batch > file that does an xcopy of critical files to a different PC. > > Backup speed is only part of the equation. The most important aspect > is that backup must be done on a very regular basis. Anything added > or changed between backups can be lost. I would therefore rate > automation before speed. I often get customers saying they were going > to backup their system next week. > > I am very found of the many online backup systems one can get. They > monitor 24x7 and backup your selected files automatically. Unless you > are generating large video files, online backup, once the main part is > loaded, is reasonably quick. An initial upload may take a few weeks. > > You need two levels of backup to cope with a total drive failure. The > first is an image of your drive such as generated by Ghost or Acronis, > then you need a responsive, very up to date incremental backup of > your data files that are changing. One copy of the data should always > be in a different location eg home, office, mother in law, online > storage, always subject to any security issues on the data > > Michaelwww.cnwrecovery.com What if your drive fails and you then find the online backup company went out of business the day before?
Guest mscotgrove@aol.com Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Aug 28, 10:45 am, Llanzlan Klazmon <bill.m.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 28, 9:31 pm, "mscotgr...@aol.com" <mscotgr...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 7:51 pm, wrreisen2 <wrreis...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. I have been > > > using the built in Windows backup software but it is so slow in > > > comparison to just copying and pasting folders onto a backup disk. The > > > problem with just copying and pasting is that this process is often > > > interupted because the occasional file in these folders can be in use > > > and stops the copying process. Is there software that is as fast as > > > just copying and pasting folders in explorer but isn't likely to be > > > interupted? > > > > Thanks for any advice? > > > To overcome the copy and paste problem use a DOS window and xcopy. I > > do this as part of my backup procedure by scheduling a call to a batch > > file that does an xcopy of critical files to a different PC. > > > Backup speed is only part of the equation. The most important aspect > > is that backup must be done on a very regular basis. Anything added > > or changed between backups can be lost. I would therefore rate > > automation before speed. I often get customers saying they were going > > to backup their system next week. > > > I am very found of the many online backup systems one can get. They > > monitor 24x7 and backup your selected files automatically. Unless you > > are generating large video files, online backup, once the main part is > > loaded, is reasonably quick. An initial upload may take a few weeks. > > > You need two levels of backup to cope with a total drive failure. The > > first is an image of your drive such as generated by Ghost or Acronis, > > then you need a responsive, very up to date incremental backup of > > your data files that are changing. One copy of the data should always > > be in a different location eg home, office, mother in law, online > > storage, always subject to any security issues on the data > > > Michaelwww.cnwrecovery.com > > What if your drive fails and you then find the online backup company > went out of business the day before?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It is why you need multiple backups. The same case applies if you backup to an external drive and they both fail, or you have a lightening strike taking them both out. The more backups, the less likely it is that they will all fail the same time. Not getting round to backing up is in my opinion the greatest risk, hence the requirement for automation. Michael
Guest observer Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:46:23 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >Nope. Not interested in a stupid >dictionary-definitions-versus-real-world-usage argument. Valid point but in this case, there is a difference. Copy/paste may miss hidden files or open files, etc.. . Regardless tho, every is entitled to backup (or not) files as they choose whether or not it is the correct method.
Guest Twayne Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. > Gary S. Terhune wrote... >> >> Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right >> question, and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please >> recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick." > > The OP's context of "quick" was that copy was slowed down by > failure due to "file in use." > > If you use this context of "quick," it will be quicker. Ghost 14 is the quickest I've seen. True Image was good too but not as fast; I tried them both & opted for Ghost since they had their update campaign still going ($50). Anything used to back up the system that cannot use the shadow copy services does not produce a system backup.
Guest Unknown Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. Shear hogwash! Ever hear of BounceBack? "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:eZ7IXwSCJHA.4576@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Gary S. Terhune wrote... >>> >>> Yes, Google is your friend, but only if you are asking the right >>> question, and you have the question wrong. The question was: "Please >>> recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick." >> >> The OP's context of "quick" was that copy was slowed down by >> failure due to "file in use." >> >> If you use this context of "quick," it will be quicker. > > Ghost 14 is the quickest I've seen. True Image was good too but not as > fast; I tried them both & opted for Ghost since they had their update > campaign still going ($50). > > Anything used to back up the system that cannot use the shadow copy > services does not produce a system backup. >
Guest Memnoch Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Please recommend backup software for xp x64 that is quick. On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:19:15 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >There's no such thing as a FAST backup utility, but Acronis is certainly >faster than Windows Backup. And more secure, easier to restore whole >partitions or just versions of files, etc. And, as you'll note here, the >Home version supports 64-bit. >http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/requirements.html > >Try the 15-day trial (though it certainly isn't long enough to decently work >out a backup system, it will give you an idea of what speeds you might >attain), and if you decide to buy, get it here. Cheaper: >http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=acronis&x=15&y=26 > >TinyURL for above link = http://tinyurl.com/5cad33 > >Another one I'd consider is: >Image for Windows >http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm >However, note this line at the bottom of the product description: >"Compatible with Win64 (x64) (AMD64/EM64T) but not with IA64, GPTs, nor >Dynamic Drives." > >And while I hate Symantec to an unhealthy degree, many users swear by Ghost. I'll second Acronis. I use True Image Echo Workstation, both in live mode while the OS is loaded and from a memory stick. First class solution and so much better than Ghost, which I use at work.
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