Guest tapyeno Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks.
Guest Detlev Dreyer Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these?. Nope. Your registry cleaner, for instance, is counterproductive. -- d-d
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. Let go of Spyware Doctor and Max registry cleaner.. Install Windows Defender.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Guest Alias Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? tapyeno wrote: > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. Get rid of the Doctor and the Registry Cleaner. Use Spy Bot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard. You can easily search Google for the urls. Alias
Guest Alias Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? Mike Hall - MVP wrote: > "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > > Let go of Spyware Doctor and Max registry cleaner.. > > Install Windows Defender.. > > Windows Defenseless is just that, defenseless. Next you're going to be saying that the OP should use Microsoft's registry cleaner in One Care? Alias
Guest Kayman Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:31 -0700 (PDT), tapyeno wrote: > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. Ready made Security Suites are not necessarily a good idea. Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus is a better AV apps http://www.free-av.com/ (The free version won't scan your emails.) Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen' http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm > I also have Spyware Doctor Remove from your system > and Max Registry Cleaner. AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner? http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 Note the comments from Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning ERUNT. Why I donÿt use registry cleaners! http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what another may miss, (grab'em all). Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista) http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware and worms to install to the OS. Interesting reading: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about the actual threat." --and-- SuperAntispyware - Free http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html --and-- Ad-Aware 2007 - Free http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html --and- Spybot Search & Destroy - Free http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html For the average homeuser, the Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job at its core mission and is really all you need if you have an 'real-time' anti-virus program, [another firewall on your router or] other edge protection like SeconfigXP and practise Safe-Hex. The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored. Activate and utilize the Win XP built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all* Programs and Services under the Exception tab. Windows XP: How to turn on your firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/firewall/xp.mspx Understanding Windows Firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/internet/sp2_wfintro.mspx In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use: Seconfig XP 1.0 Routinely practice Safe-Hex. http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
Guest Twayne Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. You need one good antivirus product. AVG is OK as such things go. For malware you need an arsenal of scanners sometimtes. The reigstry cleaner has nothing to do with seciruty; not needed. Add Adaware, spyware Search & Destroy, keep windows defender, add spyware guard should be a pretty decent setup IMO. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses; no single one yet has a corner on that ability. Update each and everyone one of them periodically and before use. HTH
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? you can install all that and install this instead: http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.htm?sc_cid=mscom_hp or use this weekly: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks.
Guest Alias Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > you can install all that > and install this instead: > > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.htm?sc_cid=mscom_hp > > or use this weekly: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > And if you do the above, you will have very little protection. No Care is notorious for being lame. Alias
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g9670s$qoh$2@aioe.org... > Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. >> >> >> Let go of Spyware Doctor and Max registry cleaner.. >> >> Install Windows Defender.. >> >> > > Windows Defenseless is just that, defenseless. Next you're going to be > saying that the OP should use Microsoft's registry cleaner in One Care? > > Alias You presume too much then.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message news:g966v7$qoh$1@aioe.org... > tapyeno wrote: >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > Get rid of the Doctor and the Registry Cleaner. Use Spy Bot, Search and > Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard. You can easily search Google for > the urls. > > Alias AVG doesn't like some of that listing.. not a good idea at all.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? tapyeno wrote: > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer unusable. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:%239RLKGXCJHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > tapyeno wrote: >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > > Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer > unusable. That is a deliberate lie. > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
Guest Kayman Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:31 -0700 (PDT), tapyeno wrote: > I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have > Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:52:41 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote: >> Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer >> unusable. On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:03:51 -0500, db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >>> That is a deliberate lie. >>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm I don't think so! It is not unusual that in Multi National Organizations such as MSFT the Section Heads of the Commercial Department and the Program Engineers (Operating Department), are having conflicting opinions as they work for different goals. The Program Engineers are the pragmatic type, they develop things, they *know* things. They have to demonstrate high integrity in order to produce high quality software. The Advertising People know how to *sell and push* things. They mostly walk on a fine line but cross it frequently for the sake of the $ almighty and in the name of the share holders. The nature of their job prevents them to be moral and ethical. The goals of the Commercial Dept. are not necessarily in the best interest for the end user. Would MSFT recommend the use of registry cleaners if Mark Russinovich and/or Ed Bott had a say? HELL NO! Would MSFT recommend the use of PFW if Jesper M. Johansson and/or Steve Riley had a say? HELL NO! Would MSFT have included (lame) additions to their Windows Life OneCare (AV) application if their program engineers had a say? HELL NO!
Guest Alias Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? Mike Hall - MVP wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:g9670s$qoh$2@aioe.org... >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >>> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Let go of Spyware Doctor and Max registry cleaner.. >>> >>> Install Windows Defender.. >>> >>> >> >> Windows Defenseless is just that, defenseless. Next you're going to be >> saying that the OP should use Microsoft's registry cleaner in One Care? >> >> Alias > > > You presume too much then.. > > There's hope for you yet, then. Alias
Guest Alias Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? Mike Hall - MVP wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:g966v7$qoh$1@aioe.org... >> tapyeno wrote: >>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. >> >> Get rid of the Doctor and the Registry Cleaner. Use Spy Bot, Search >> and Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard. You can easily search >> Google for the urls. >> >> Alias > > > AVG doesn't like some of that listing.. not a good idea at all.. > > Then replace AVG with Avast. Alias
Guest Alias Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? Kayman wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:31 -0700 (PDT), tapyeno wrote: >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:52:41 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote: >>> Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer >>> unusable. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:03:51 -0500, db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >>>> That is a deliberate lie. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > > I don't think so! It is not unusual that in Multi National > Organizations such as MSFT the Section Heads of the Commercial Department > and the Program Engineers (Operating Department), are having conflicting > opinions as they work for different goals. > The Program Engineers are the pragmatic type, they develop things, they > *know* things. They have to demonstrate high integrity in order to produce > high quality software. > The Advertising People know how to *sell and push* things. They mostly walk > on a fine line but cross it frequently for the sake of the $ almighty and > in the name of the share holders. The nature of their job prevents them to > be moral and ethical. > The goals of the Commercial Dept. are not necessarily in the best interest > for the end user. > Would MSFT recommend the use of registry cleaners if Mark Russinovich > and/or Ed Bott had a say? HELL NO! > Would MSFT recommend the use of PFW if Jesper M. Johansson and/or Steve > Riley had a say? HELL NO! > Would MSFT have included (lame) additions to their Windows Life OneCare > (AV) application if their program engineers had a say? HELL NO! Would Steve Ballmer say push it out and sell One Care's Registry Cleaner even if it is a POS? Hell yes! Alias
Guest Bob I Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > > "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message > news:%239RLKGXCJHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> tapyeno wrote: >> >>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. >> >> >> >> Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, >> unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer unusable. > > > > That is a deliberate lie. > > Nope, that's the plain and simple truth. ( that is, unless you're a complete idiot)
Guest Alias Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? Bob I wrote: > > > db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > >> >> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message >> news:%239RLKGXCJHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> tapyeno wrote: >>> >>>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, >>> unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer unusable. >> >> >> >> That is a deliberate lie. >> >> > > Nope, that's the plain and simple truth. ( that is, unless you're a > complete idiot) > Actually, they can come in handy after an uninstall if you use it very selectively and only nuke what's left over from the uninstall. Alias
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? don't know why people place mark r. opinions as the expert. he was recently adopted into the micrsoft business simply for his little creative utilities. otherwise, microsoft invented the registry and they are the first source of information for thier windows o.s. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Kayman" <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote in message news:Ouh7FxaCJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:31 -0700 (PDT), tapyeno wrote: >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:52:41 -0600, Bruce Chambers wrote: >>> Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer >>> unusable. > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:03:51 -0500, db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: >>>> That is a deliberate lie. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > > I don't think so! It is not unusual that in Multi National > Organizations such as MSFT the Section Heads of the Commercial Department > and the Program Engineers (Operating Department), are having conflicting > opinions as they work for different goals. > The Program Engineers are the pragmatic type, they develop things, they > *know* things. They have to demonstrate high integrity in order to produce > high quality software. > The Advertising People know how to *sell and push* things. They mostly walk > on a fine line but cross it frequently for the sake of the $ almighty and > in the name of the share holders. The nature of their job prevents them to > be moral and ethical. > The goals of the Commercial Dept. are not necessarily in the best interest > for the end user. > Would MSFT recommend the use of registry cleaners if Mark Russinovich > and/or Ed Bott had a say? HELL NO! > Would MSFT recommend the use of PFW if Jesper M. Johansson and/or Steve > Riley had a say? HELL NO! > Would MSFT have included (lame) additions to their Windows Life OneCare > (AV) application if their program engineers had a say? HELL NO!
Guest John John (MVP) Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? You truly *are* an idiot! Dr. Mark Russinovich is a Microsoft Technical Fellow. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/techfellow/default.mspx The list of Technical Fellows is pretty short, I don't see your name on that list... oh wait, I see yours on another website, on the list of most idiotic trolls to ever roam the internet! John db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > don't know why people > place mark r. opinions > as the expert. > > he was recently adopted > into the micrsoft business > simply for his little > creative utilities. > > otherwise, microsoft > invented the registry > and they are the first > source of information > for thier windows o.s. >
Guest Twayne Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? > you can install all that > and install this instead: > > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.htm?sc_cid=mscom_hp > > or use this weekly: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > > > "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. Umm, in addition to would be OK, but to replace them would be folly. NO APP can or will cover all the bases. And One Care's reputation isn't all that solid either. Personally I wouldn't even (an ddon't) bother with it, although I tried it out. Twayne
Guest Twayne Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? > "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message > news:g9670s$qoh$2@aioe.org... >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >>> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? >>>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Let go of Spyware Doctor and Max registry cleaner.. >>> >>> Install Windows Defender.. >>> >>> >> >> Windows Defenseless is just that, defenseless. Next you're going to >> be saying that the OP should use Microsoft's registry cleaner in One >> Care? Well, windows defender isn't that powerful, I agree. But it's reailable and works first time every time, something you can't say about One Care. I have had it save the day though on come client's machines and I like what it does. As long as something can't hurt, and is designed to do good, it's worth having. I don't care for One Care period so in my case it's not an issue. Max Registry Cleaner I agree with. >> >> Alias I have to agree with whoever said you presume too much: You do. I think you need to step back a bit and take a better look at the reaility of these things and learn more about what they do. The list I use is nowhere near the only list in existance, some are probably better too, but for my use, they seem to support me well. I find little wrong with other's lists of malware arsenals, in fact, and occasionally even check out what they use/recommend. But in your case you aren't recommending: Instead you're presenting your opinion as the only valid one and that's clearly not the case. Twayne > > > You presume too much then..
Guest db.·.. > Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? i use one care without issues, hence the program by microsoft for microsoft windows is a reasonable recommendation. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:%23UAjhMfCJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> you can install all that >> and install this instead: >> >> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.htm?sc_cid=mscom_hp >> >> or use this weekly: >> >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm >> >> >> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:5d5dc332-713a-481d-8ff1-8e7d60346051@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >>> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > Umm, in addition to would be OK, but to replace them would be folly. NO APP can or will cover all the bases. And One Care's > reputation isn't all that solid either. Personally I wouldn't even (an ddon't) bother with it, although I tried it out. > > Twayne >
Guest Twayne Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Re: Do I need all these? > tapyeno wrote: >> I have recently upgraded to full AVG Internet Security. I also have >> Spyware Doctor and Max Registry Cleaner. Do I need all these? Thanks. > > > Well, you most definitely don't need any sort of registry cleaner, > unless you're deliberately trying to render the computer unusable. Not true, but, IF you use a registry "cleaner", you need one that is reliable and capable of reversing its changes. I've never had to reverse a change, but I can see it being possible. Stick with the mainstream and you'll be OK. The downside of good registry cleaners is that they are expected to fix all ills and that's just not the case. Often the registry has nothing to do with the problem's symptoms, whatever they may be. Why some have such closed minds about them I can't fathom and they refuse to expand on it at all. What feeble reasons they have given in the long ago past were never relevant to the situatiosn at hand even. In the right situation, they can be system savers. I've never seen a registry cleaner, mainstream or not, crash a system although I'm certain it's possible. But so can the installation of most any application; it's all related. Sorry, but you're wrong. But that's nothing new. Twayne
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