On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

[Guest Robert A. Macy]

I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

 

I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

liked in Win98.

 

So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

 

Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Windows Update. After installing IE 6.1. Earlier versions of IE work, though

I'm not sure how early, but you want to make it as up to date as possible,

right? (Not that you *can* update Win98 to current standards.)

 

Or, if you want the whole thing on two CDs, Microsoft's own Security Updates

CD from Feb. 2004 and all subsequent Updates from Windows Update for Win98,

98SE and ME, then email me at:

updates_at_grystmill.com

 

I email you my mailing address, you send me $3 to cover packaging and

postage, and I send you the CDs.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

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> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>

> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

> liked in Win98.

>

> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>

> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>

> Robert

[Guest PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Once you format the WinXP machine and manage to get Win98 installed &

working properly (...) :

 

1. Download/install IE6 SP1 and reboot twice:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1e1550cb-5e5d-48f5-b02b-20b602228de6

 

2. Check in at http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

 

 

Robert A. Macy wrote:

> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>

> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

> liked in Win98.

>

> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>

> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>

> Robert

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Robert A. Macy wrote:

> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>

> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

> liked in Win98.

>

> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>

> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>

> Robert

 

There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of

the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

What makes you assume that. Bill?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Robert A. Macy wrote:

>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>>

>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

>> liked in Win98.

>>

>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>>

>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>>

>> Robert

>

> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of

> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

>

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great

over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win

3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called, "critical

updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the headaches that

HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I did install one or

two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that point (before some of the

newer ones started creating some problems in some cases, including removing

previously available features, etc (most in the name of "clamping down on

security", to help protect the user from himself :-)

 

That said, IMO:

The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6

SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it musta

been IE 5.5).

 

Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I visit

or connect to.

(I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more

"protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I

dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.

:-) Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well know

by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye out for

any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.

 

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> What makes you assume that. Bill?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Robert A. Macy wrote:

>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>>>

>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

>>> liked in Win98.

>>>

>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>>>

>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>>>

>>> Robert

>>

>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out of

>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

[Guest thanatoid]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in

news:9851ed8d-5e40-4295-9eed-df0e80c0ffbc@25g2000prz.googlegro

ups.com:

> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>

> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost

> features I liked in Win98.

>

> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>

> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary

> updates?

>

> Robert

 

Here:

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

 

--

[from a recent conversation]

thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?

Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?

 

I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.

Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my

Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but the

few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing on

the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience. Of

course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious about

installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.

 

You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a

rattlesnake might get you. In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake

bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an

Update might mess up your system.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great

> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win

> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,

> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the

> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I

> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that point

> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some

> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in the

> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from himself

> :-)

>

> That said, IMO:

> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6

> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it

> musta been IE 5.5).

>

> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I

> visit or connect to.

> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more

> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I

> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.

> :-) Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well

> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye out

> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.

>

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> What makes you assume that. Bill?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:

>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>>>>

>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

>>>> liked in Win98.

>>>>

>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>>>>

>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>>>>

>>>> Robert

>>>

>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out

>>> of

>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

>

>

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?

>

> I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.

> Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my

> Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but the

> few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing

> on

> the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience.

 

Exactly. And for what? (rhetorical) Been burned a couple of times

with some updates (and/or miffed at some features removed as a consequence

of installing the updates), and that was enough. And not just on one

occasion, either!

> Of course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious

> about

> installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.

>

> You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a

> rattlesnake might get you.

 

Not at all. I'm a risk taker on some things - those worthwhile (to me)

things. And you of all people should know that by now, by all the times

I've ended up using scanreg /restore (in Win98), or restoring an image (in

the case of XP), for all of my experiments.

> In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake

> bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an

> Update might mess up your system.

 

Nope. I have zero interest in "microsoft's (so-called) "updates". They

hold little value for me. I've "walked that walk" before on a few

occasions, and, thanks but no thanks. I don't need - or want - the (often

consequent) "anomalies", and the loss of some previously available

capabilities or features, all taken away in the name of "security". True

security "comes from within", meaning, from how one takes care of their

computer, and from their own computer usage.

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:eGikiYlCJHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly great

>> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and Win

>> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,

>> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the

>> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I

>> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that

>> point

>> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some

>> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in the

>> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from

>> himself

>> :-)

>>

>> That said, IMO:

>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or

>> IE6

>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it

>> musta been IE 5.5).

>>

>> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I

>> visit or connect to.

>> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more

>> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I

>> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by me.

>> :-) Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well

>> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye

>> out

>> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all that.

>>

>>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> What makes you assume that. Bill?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:

>>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

>>>>> liked in Win98.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>>>>>

>>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>>>>>

>>>>> Robert

>>>>

>>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out

>>>> of

>>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Try making a living as a computer repair person selling *that* line <g>. The

great unwashed expect the machine to do everything for them. They'll call

when the machine doesn't do what it's expected to do, and we all know why

that usually is, like 99.9999% of the time, right? You can spend the whole

visit telling them all about maintenance and security *practices*, a full

blown seminar, and they won't hear a word. Next time you hear from them

it's, "Hey, I got a new computer. That old one didn't work anymore. But

there's all this garbage on here and my all my old apps and games aren't

working, especially Kazaa. I need you to fix it and set it up for me."

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:%23eMTDvmCJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> I meant: "What makes you assume that OP has Win98 *Second_Edition*?

>>

>> I know all about your ideas on updates and don't need to hear them again.

>> Personally, I think I've had trouble with maybe three updates in all my

>> Windows history. Don't recall any of my "clients" running into any but

>> the

>> few, well known and quickly remedied problems, either. Certainly nothing

>> on

>> the order of a disaster. Nothing more than a perhaps major inconvenience.

>

> Exactly. And for what? (rhetorical) Been burned a couple of times

> with some updates (and/or miffed at some features removed as a consequence

> of installing the updates), and that was enough. And not just on one

> occasion, either!

>

>> Of course, I and the clients that were teachable were pretty religious

>> about

>> installing Updates under my Clean Boot conditions.

>>

>> You attitude is akin to never going hiking in the woods because a

>> rattlesnake might get you.

>

> Not at all. I'm a risk taker on some things - those worthwhile (to me)

> things. And you of all people should know that by now, by all the times

> I've ended up using scanreg /restore (in Win98), or restoring an image (in

> the case of XP), for all of my experiments.

>

>> In fact, it's my guess that the risk of the snake

>> bite while hiking is statistically quite a bit greater than the risk an

>> Update might mess up your system.

>

> Nope. I have zero interest in "microsoft's (so-called) "updates". They

> hold little value for me. I've "walked that walk" before on a few

> occasions, and, thanks but no thanks. I don't need - or want - the

> (often consequent) "anomalies", and the loss of some previously available

> capabilities or features, all taken away in the name of "security".

> True security "comes from within", meaning, from how one takes care of

> their computer, and from their own computer usage.

>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:eGikiYlCJHA.3432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> What assumptions? That's what I've done, and it works perfectly

>>> great

>>> over here, for all these years with Win98 (and even back to Win95 and

>>> Win

>>> 3.1). IOW, I've "walked the walk" (without all those so-called,

>>> "critical updates"), and, as a consequence of that, without some of the

>>> headaches that HAVE resulted from installing some of them! I think I

>>> did install one or two of the earlier ones, and just stopped at that

>>> point

>>> (before some of the newer ones started creating some problems in some

>>> cases, including removing previously available features, etc (most in

>>> the

>>> name of "clamping down on security", to help protect the user from

>>> himself

>>> :-)

>>>

>>> That said, IMO:

>>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or

>>> IE6

>>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

>>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it

>>> musta been IE 5.5).

>>>

>>> Of course, I'm also on dial-up, and am pretty careful of what sites I

>>> visit or connect to.

>>> (I mention dial-up, since, by its own nature, it's inherently a bit more

>>> "protective", as I am NEVER connected to the Internet until and if I

>>> dial-up, and even then, it takes time for anything to try to sneak by

>>> me.

>>> :-) Plus I do try to stay on top of my system, as I'm sure you well

>>> know by now. IOW, just good housekeeping, and always keeping an eye

>>> out

>>> for any potential abnormalities that might suddenly appear, and all

>>> that.

>>>

>>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> What makes you assume that. Bill?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:el6hWhgCJHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Robert A. Macy wrote:

>>>>>> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

>>>>>> liked in Win98.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Robert

>>>>>

>>>>> There are no "really necessary updates". Win98SE is fine right out

>>>>> of

>>>>> the box. I assume you ARE installing Win98SE, and not just Win98.

>

>

[Guest Ron Badour]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

Before you start, ensure that there are W98 drivers for your hardware as

there may not be any available. XP may be slow if there is insufficient

ram installed and/or there are a ton of unneeded programs being started at

boot and running in the background.

--

Regards

 

Ron Badour

MS MVP

Windows Desktop Experience

 

 

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

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> I've got a sealed, original Win98 CD, manual, etc.

>

> I give up on WinXP, too slow, and more importantly lost features I

> liked in Win98.

>

> So, in abandoning WinXP and installing Win98....

>

> Where do I get a complete set of the really necessary updates?

>

> Robert

[Guest letterman@invalid.com]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>That said, IMO:

>The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6

>SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

>maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it musta

>been IE 5.5).

>

 

Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that

means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade

installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have

stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird

things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6

is a POS.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

letterman@invalid.com wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."

> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>> That said, IMO:

>> The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or

>> IE6

>> SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

>> maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it

>> musta

>> been IE 5.5).

>>

>

> Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that

> means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade

> installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have

> stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird

> things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6

> is a POS.

 

Well, I sure misremembered that, so thanks for the update. I use K-Meleon

sometimes (esp. on the wikipedia site, since it sometimes messes with my TIF

cache for IE), instead of Firefox, since it seems a lot faster. But

K-Meleon isn't quite as polished as Firefox, of course.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: On installing a CLEAN Win98 where do I get the 'necessary' updates?

 

For years, now, I've used, and know lots of people who use, IE6.1 on Windows

98 with nary a problem. The problem in your case is most likely between your

ears.

 

Windows 98 SE comes with IE 5, (version 5.00.2614.3500, March '99) and was

upgraded to 5.01 SP1and SP2 the following winter. IE 5.5 came out in

mid-2000 and IE6.1, last build, was released on September 9, 2002. almost 6

years ago.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_5

 

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:58 -0600, "Bill in Co."

> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>>That said, IMO:

>>The only "update" (if you call it that) he might really need is IE6 or IE6

>>SP1, as I'm not sure if Win98SE came with it - can't recall now. But

>>maybe Win98SE came with IE 6 (can't recall; (but if it wasn't IE6, it

>>musta

>>been IE 5.5).

>>

>

> Actually Win98SE comes with IE5 from the box. (I'm not sure if that

> means 5.0 or 5.1, or what it was). But I recall that I later upgrade

> installed IE5.5, then upgraded to IE6. Sometimes I wish I would have

> stuck with IE5.5 because IE6 likes to crash and do all sorts of weird

> things, but I use Firefox more than IE these days, mostly because IE6

> is a POS.

>