hibernation mode always used

[Guest john d hamilton]

When i switch on my pc from its' hibernate mode it boots up very quickly.

Much quicker than when i turn it off in the conventional way.

 

Since in hibernation, i cannot hear the cooling fan running; does that mean

also that the hard drive is not spinning?

 

If that's the case, would there be any reason *never* to switch it off in

the conventional manner; but to always use the hibernate mode? Thanks for

advice.

[Guest chuckcar]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

"john d hamilton" <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote in

news:g9e7jb$nmf$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> When i switch on my pc from its' hibernate mode it boots up very

> quickly. Much quicker than when i turn it off in the conventional way.

>

> Since in hibernation, i cannot hear the cooling fan running; does that

> mean also that the hard drive is not spinning?

>

> If that's the case, would there be any reason *never* to switch it

> off in the conventional manner; but to always use the hibernate mode?

> Thanks for advice.

 

No, the computer turns off. The problems with putting a computer in

Hibernate mode are 1. The computer doesn't actually shut down, so no

restore points are made. 2. Ram is saved to a file on the hard drive, so

if there's any hard drive problems, the computer won't start up *at*

*all*. 3. since you're not actually shutting down, memory isn't actually

cleared of use, so the computer gets progressively slower (this assumes

you're using some consumer version of windows: XP Vista etc). Shut the

computer down, it's the proper thing to do.

 

 

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[Guest wisdomkiller & pain]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

john d hamilton wrote:

> When i switch on my pc from its' hibernate mode it boots up very quickly.

> Much quicker than when i turn it off in the conventional way.

>

> Since in hibernation, i cannot hear the cooling fan running; does that

> mean also that the hard drive is not spinning?

>

Yes, hibernation is basically shut-off after saving the main memory (RAM)

contents to a dedicated area on the harddrive.

> If that's the case, would there be any reason *never* to switch it off in

> the conventional manner; but to always use the hibernate mode? Thanks

> for advice.

 

Depends upon your hardware, the drivers and applications. If your hardware

fully supports hibernation, the network, wireless if used, sound and others

work fine after hibernation, and you don't have programs that suck all the

memory and need system restarts anyway, you can try how long you can work

without a shutdown. Of course, updates will need a shutdown afterwards for

replacement of files-in-use or kernel parts.

[Guest chuckcar]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

"john d hamilton" <bluestar@mail.infalid> v-r-rote in

news:g9e7jb$nmf$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> When i switch on my pc from its' hibernate mode it boots up very

> quickly. Much quicker than when i turn it off in the conventional way.

>

> Since in hibernation, i cannot hear the cooling fan running; does that

> mean also that the hard drive is not spinning?

>

> If that's the case, would there be any reason *never* to switch it

> off in the conventional manner; but to always use the hibernate mode?

> Thanks for advice.

 

Nein, ze komputer turns off. Ze problems mitt puttingkt a komputer in

Hibernate mode are 1. Ze komputer doesn't actually schut down, zo nein

r-r-restore points are made. 2. R-r-ram ist safed to a file on ze hard

drife, zo if dere's any hard drife problems, ze komputer von't start up

*at* *all*. 3. since you're not actually schuttingkt down, memory isn't

actually kleared uff use, zo ze komputer gets progressifely slower (dis

assumes you're usingkt zome konsumer fersion uff vindows: XP Fista etc).

Schut ze komputer down, it's ze proper dingkt to do.

[Guest wisdomkiller & pain]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

chuckcar wrote:

 

.....

> No, the computer turns off. The problems with putting a computer in

> Hibernate mode are 1. The computer doesn't actually shut down, so no

> restore points are made.

 

Hmm. Yes, it turns off, one can even take the battery out of the laptop

during hibernation (not during "sleep mode") without affecting the data.

Vista does hibernate by default when you select shutdown.

Indeed, restore points are made on other occasions like installing software

or drivers, or most of the times once a day, regardless of shutdown or

hibernation.

> 2. Ram is saved to a file on the hard drive, so

> if there's any hard drive problems, the computer won't start up *at*

> *all*.

 

That's no argument against hibernation. Windows may refuse to start up due

to a good number of reasons, and with F8 one can select to trash the

hibernation image and do a normal startup instead, if necessary. Pressing

the "save" buttons of your applications even if files left open, is always

a good idea before hibernating.

> 3. since you're not actually shutting down, memory isn't actually

> cleared of use, so the computer gets progressively slower (this assumes

> you're using some consumer version of windows: XP Vista etc). Shut the

> computer down, it's the proper thing to do.

>

It depends. Yes, there are programs with memory leaks or flakey drivers,

that will force a restart sooner or later.

[Guest chuckcar]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

wisdomkiller & pain <altnews.20.eatallspam@spamgourmet.com> wrote in

news:2399940.hieykWB85j@woodpecker.motzarella.org:

> chuckcar wrote:

>

> ....

>> No, the computer turns off. The problems with putting a computer in

>> Hibernate mode are 1. The computer doesn't actually shut down, so no

>> restore points are made.

>

> Hmm. Yes, it turns off, one can even take the battery out of the

> laptop during hibernation (not during "sleep mode") without affecting

> the data. Vista does hibernate by default when you select shutdown.

> Indeed, restore points are made on other occasions like installing

> software or drivers, or most of the times once a day, regardless of

> shutdown or hibernation.

>

Yes if the computer is restarted. However, if the computer is just put

into and out of hibernation, no restore points are ever made.

 

>> 2. Ram is saved to a file on the hard drive, so

>> if there's any hard drive problems, the computer won't start up *at*

>> *all*.

>

> That's no argument against hibernation. Windows may refuse to start up

> due to a good number of reasons, and with F8 one can select to trash

> the hibernation image and do a normal startup instead, if necessary.

> Pressing the "save" buttons of your applications even if files left

> open, is always a good idea before hibernating.

>

And those reasons are separate from hibernation. No reason to add

another right? A simple problem that scandisk will fix can stop the

computer from booting with hibernate - and *only* with hibernate.

>> 3. since you're not actually shutting down, memory isn't actually

>> cleared of use, so the computer gets progressively slower (this

>> assumes you're using some consumer version of windows: XP Vista etc).

>> Shut the computer down, it's the proper thing to do.

>>

> It depends. Yes, there are programs with memory leaks or flakey

> drivers, that will force a restart sooner or later.

>

Windows itself will do it given time. And those other suspects are

hardly uncommon.

 

BTW, I don't know if you read this group, but my server has problems

with the Microsoft one, so I'm setting the followup to here.

 

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[Guest Alec S.]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

Here’s my take on hibernation mode.

 

john d hamilton wrote (in news:g9e7jb$nmf$1@registered.motzarella.org):

> When i switch on my pc from its' hibernate mode it boots up very quickly.

> Much quicker than when i turn it off in the conventional way.

 

What happens is that Windows saves all of the memory to the disk (that’s why it’

s only enabled if you have enough free disk space to store all of your RAM).

Then instead of shutting down, it just powers off. When you boot back up,

Windows reads the memory from the disk file and puts it back in RAM and resumes.

In effect, Windows picks right back up where you left off as though it was never

off.

 

> Since in hibernation, i cannot hear the cooling fan running; does that mean

> also that the hard drive is not spinning?

 

That’s because the whole computer is off. You could unplug it, open it up, add

and remove components. The computer has powered down. The difference with normal

power-down is that Windows did not shut down (it did not quit all apps, clear

caches, etc.)

 

> If that's the case, would there be any reason *never* to switch it off in

> the conventional manner; but to always use the hibernate mode?

 

Hibernation mode is terrific. It is a life saver. However there are some

problems with it. Some apps will detect that Windows has just come out of

hibernation mode and act accordingly. For example, the network connection status

dialog will reset and show that it has been running for a few seconds with a few

bytes transferred. However some apps do not detect the resume and do not act

accordingly. For example, SpeedFan’s graphs get really messed up because it did

not collect statistics during the off period, yet it tries to draw the graph

from the last time it was active to this time (several hours or days later),

which causes the graph to attempt to stretch from one reading several hours ago

directly to one reading from right now. Uptime apps will not detect that Windows

was off for so many hours and will say that Windows has been running for X+Y

hours (X=hours running before hibernation), (Y=hours of hibernation/off time).

Generally though, there are few if any serious problems.

 

My recommendation is to shut down normally when you are finished for the day and

use hibernation mode when you are still in the middle of stuff, have a bunch of

windows and documents open, etc. and it’s late at night and you’re exhausted and

can’t keep your eyes open anymore, let alone finish up everything before going

to bed. This is exactly what hibernation mode was created for. Save any unsaved

documents (to be safe) and hibernate. The next morning, Windows will pick up

right where you left off and you can finish up, then shut down normally next

time.

 

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[Guest Scallywag]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

"Alec S." <@> wrote in news:ePq9pEHDJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> My recommendation is to shut down normally when you are finished for

> the day and use hibernation mode when you are still in the middle of

> stuff, have a bunch of windows and documents open, etc. and it’s late

> at night and you’re exhausted and can’t keep your eyes open anymore,

> let alone finish up everything before going to bed. This is exactly

> what hibernation mode was created for. Save any unsaved documents (to

> be safe) and hibernate. The next morning, Windows will pick up right

> where you left off and you can finish up, then shut down normally next

> time.

>

 

I use iberantion on my two PC's but it works better on my Vista64 PC for

some reason. On my XP PC I can't make it come out out of hibernation with

the mouse or keyboard, have to lightly press the power button on the PC

case instead. On Vista64 the mouse or keyboard will bring it out of

hibernation. I guess it must be an issue with my motherboard on the XP PC

and not XP itself. It goes into hibernation quicker and comes out quicker

on Vista64 too.

[Guest Alec S.]

Re: hibernation mode always used

 

Scallywag wrote (in news:Xns9B0D905AC6093666@127.0.0.1):

> I use iberantion on my two PC's but it works better on my Vista64 PC for

> some reason. On my XP PC I can't make it come out out of hibernation with

> the mouse or keyboard, have to lightly press the power button on the PC

> case instead. On Vista64 the mouse or keyboard will bring it out of

> hibernation. I guess it must be an issue with my motherboard on the XP PC

> and not XP itself. It goes into hibernation quicker and comes out quicker

> on Vista64 too.

 

That’s because you’re confusing hibernation and standby.

 

Hibernation means that the contents of memory is saved to a file on the disk and

the computer is powered off—it turns everything off. You have to turn it on by

pushing the power button like you do when the computer is off (because it is).

You can boot up like normal and boot to something else or even have Windows

scratch the hibernation file and boot up like normal instead of restoring the

file to memory and picking up where you left off.

 

Standby is when the system powers down /almost/ everything. The drives, graphics

card, and so on are turned off, but there is still electricity running through

the motherboard to the RAM. The electricity keeps the contents of memory in the

memory (as opposed to in a file with hibernation mode). In this mode, moving the

mouse or pressing a key wakes the system up and powers everything back on.

 

There is nothing wrong with your systems, they are performing correctly. You

just need to configure them to do what you want. You need to go to Control

Panel->Power Options->Advanced tab, then choose what you want to happen with the

drop-lists at the bottom.

 

 

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