Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

[Guest Normanny]

Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition. I need to

upgrade my old Windows 98 and be able to install a Netgear 108 mbps Wireless

PC Card. Appreciate any help!

--

normanny

[Guest philo]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

 

"Normanny" <normanny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B4EEB412-A43E-499F-B3DA-F8F854F00F63@microsoft.com...

> Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition. I need

to

> upgrade my old Windows 98 and be able to install a Netgear 108 mbps

Wireless

> PC Card. Appreciate any help!

 

 

You can probably get a win98se disk on ebay

 

 

I assume the documentation that came with the card stated that Win98se or

above was required???

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Normanny wrote:

> Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition.

 

Download and install a bit-torrent client. I've been using u-torrent

recently.

 

Then go to one of the bit-torrent directory sites and search for win-98

torrents.

 

Here's a few:

 

http://www.torrentreactor.net/search.php?words=windows+98&search=&cid=2&x=0&y=0

 

Let's try this one:

 

http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=1305362&name=Windows+98+Second+Edition+Full+Bootable+CD+%2B+CD+Key

 

Ok, after about 1 minute, there are 82 seeders. I'm connected to about

3-dozen of them, and I'm downloading it at the relatively slow rate of

30 to 35 k-bytes per second. The file is listed as 553 mb in size.

There are about 10 others that are also downloading it, and I'm feeding

some of them at about 5 kbps. At this rate, it's gonna take me 5 hours

20 minutes to download.

 

The torrent is a .UIF file, along with 2 text files (one of them is the

"serial", which I suspect is the product key). Ah yes, I've given that

a high-priority and I have that file now. It's a list of several dozen

product keys.

 

Not sure what to do with a .uif file. I'll search the net for that.

 

I'm also running peer-guardian, and it's blocked the ip 212.199.248.66

because it's identified that ip as belonging to "Golden Lines /

Anti-p2p". Perhaps that outfit monitors microsoft-related torrents -

but they won't see me.

[Guest glee]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

BTW, you bit-torrent abusers are the reason Comcast will be putting caps on monthly

downloads for all their clients, and soon Time-Warner will be restructuring their

Internet service into more expensive tiers based on monthly download capacity.

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BB4206.1C32D329@Guy.com...

 

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

[Guest Dan]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Thanks Glen. I agree with your feedback. Normanny, full legal copies of

Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition run about $50-$75 on Ebay which is a

great price for such an awesome operating system and do yourself a favor and

go legal because not only are you breaking the law with bit-torrent you are

risking even destroying your hardware if the appropriate baddie is placed

within bit-torrent. Gary S. Terhune, mvp mentioned how software baddies can

even affect hardware and I think this could be done by sending commands to

the hardware and overworking it but this is just a guess on my part.

Hopefully, you will go the legal option and grr. now Comcast is setting

limits because of the whole bit-torrent crap and yes I read that it will go

into affect October 1, 2008. Thanks for the garbage, all you who get

so-called free junk that costs everyone in time, money and expertise and

those who are trying to be legitimate in the industry without even having

illegal songs on their machines despite all the temptations out there and I

am very thankful to Apple's Itunes for the 99 cents legal songs that you can

get despite the fact that Apple Itunes requires Quicktime and you must so

frequently update it because of the illegal tying of the software and

Microsoft did this in 1998 and was investigated by the United States

Department of Justice so I ask why has the US-DOJ not investigated Apple now

for the same practices or hopefully maybe the EU will take the matter into

their hands when our US gov't is not willing to do the right thing and take

action. Just my 2/3 cents for what little it is worth.

 

"glee" wrote:

> Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

> BTW, you bit-torrent abusers are the reason Comcast will be putting caps on monthly

> downloads for all their clients, and soon Time-Warner will be restructuring their

> Internet service into more expensive tiers based on monthly download capacity.

>

> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BB4206.1C32D329@Guy.com...

>

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

>

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

glee wrote:

> Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

 

Why is it piracy when the manufacturer no longer sells the item in

question?

 

And don't give me "well you can buy it on e-bay" crap. There is no

garantee that anyone selling win-98 on e-bay is selling a version that

*can* be re-sold or used according to it's EULA, or that the person

selling it isin't still using the same product key that they're

purporting to sell.

 

If it's a book, a music or movie cd that is still available for retail

sale, then yup, there is such a thing a piracy.

 

If it's any of the above that is no longer in print or being stamped or

sold, then making copies of it and passing it around is not piracy.

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

> Normanny wrote:

>

> > Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition.

>

> Download and install a bit-torrent client. I've been using u-torrent

> recently.

>

> Then go to one of the bit-torrent directory sites and search for win-98

> torrents.

> Let's try this one:

>

>http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=1305362&name=Windows+98+Second+Edition+Full+Bootable+CD+%2B+CD+Key

 

Ok, download complete.

 

I downloaded a UIF converter from here:

 

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4009438/A_UIF_to_ISO_Converter.4009438.TPB.torrent

 

It's a very small (32 kb) command-line executable (uif2iso.exe). I sent

it to virustotal to be scanned, and it came back 100% negative.

 

I ran it and created a 655 mb iso file. I burned the file to a cd using

ECDC and I'm looking at it now.

 

By all appearances it's a win-98se cd. File dates are 4/23/99, 10:22

pm.

 

I'm not sure if it's a retail cd, or an oem cd, or some other version.

If there's a file on the cd (txt, dll, etc) that would identify the

exact MS part or product number, then let me know.

 

I performed a DOS-level comp command on the root directory and the

\win98 directory on the CD against an image of a win-98se CD I have on

my system and all files compared exactly (that's roughly 1/3 of the

contents of the CD).

 

So Normanny, go and do what I just did. You'll have a win-98se cd in

your hands (and a few dozen product keys) in about 5 or 6 hours.

[Guest NedChristian@aol.com]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:37:49 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> wrote:

>glee wrote:

>

>> Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

>

>Why is it piracy when the manufacturer no longer sells the item in

>question?

>

>And don't give me "well you can buy it on e-bay" crap. There is no

>garantee that anyone selling win-98 on e-bay is selling a version that

>*can* be re-sold or used according to it's EULA, or that the person

>selling it isin't still using the same product key that they're

>purporting to sell.

>

>If it's a book, a music or movie cd that is still available for retail

>sale, then yup, there is such a thing a piracy.

>

>If it's any of the above that is no longer in print or being stamped or

>sold, then making copies of it and passing it around is not piracy.

 

People who copy ANY softeware are sinners in the eyes of God and they

WILL go straight to HELL when they die. This needs no further

explanation.

 

Jesus Loves You

 

Ned

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

NedChristian@aol.com wrote:

 

"X-No-Archive: yes"

 

Why Ned?

 

Why don't you want your posts to be archived?

 

God says that people who set X-no-archive are sinners and will go

straight to hell when they die.

> People who copy ANY softeware are sinners in the eyes of God and they

> WILL go straight to HELL when they die. This needs no further

> explanation.

 

This appears to be your first post to usenet Ned, at least using the

handle NedChristian at aol.com. But perhaps your X-no-archive is

preventing google from finding your post, even before google expires it

on Sept 6.

 

So I can't tell from past postings (to this or any other newsgroup) if

you're being sarcastic or not, or just a troll.

 

Tell us more about yourself Ned.

> Jesus Loves You

 

May Jesus protect me from those that believe in him.

[Guest Don Phillipson]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BBF02D.38208D9@Guy.com...

> If it's a book, a music or movie cd that is still available for retail

> sale, then yup, there is such a thing a piracy.

>

> If it's any of the above that is no longer in print or being stamped or

> sold, then making copies of it and passing it around is not piracy.

 

This is an error in law (for which there was little excuse since

some US publishers began to print on the verso of title pages a

legal summary forbidding "mechanical reproduction.") Copyright

is not affected by whether a work is currently in print or on sale

or not. We are free to copy non-mechanically as much as we

like, but not to sell copies, and we are not free to photocopy

copyrighted works unless the copyright owner agrees.

 

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Don Phillipson wrote:

> > If it's a book, a music or movie cd (or software) that is still

> > available for retail sale, then yup, there is such a thing a

> > piracy.

> >

> > If it's any of the above that is no longer in print or being

> > stamped or sold, then making copies of it and passing it around

> > is not piracy.

> This is an error in law

 

Does copyright law actually include the term "pirate" or "piracy" ?

 

Anyways, someone once said the law is an ass.

> some US publishers began to print on the verso of title pages a

> legal summary forbidding "mechanical reproduction.")

 

The intent being to prevent others from profiting from the sale of

copied works while the copyright owner is trying to do the same. It

probably wasn't the case, decades ago, that copies were produced soley

to be given away for free.

 

It's one thing to copy a work and then try to sell it. It's quite

another to copy a work no longer in print (or production) and where no

money changes hands.

> Copyright is not affected by whether a work is currently in

> print or on sale or not.

 

I don't disagree that Microsoft is the legal copyright holder of the

work in question, and that they can sell the copyright to a third party,

or they can resume production and sale of the work, or they can do as

they are now - to have abandoned the work.

 

I'm just saying that there is no logical or moral argument against the

replication or use of a copyrighted work between individuals when the

work has been commercially abandoned by the copyright holder or owner of

the work.

 

I'm also saying that only the owner or holder the copyrighted work has

the right to financial gain and charge money for the work even if they

have commercially abandonded the work.

 

I see it a lot like a patent.

 

I am free to replicate the ideas contained in a patent for my own

personal use, or perhaps for others so long as there is no direct

financial gain for me. Only the patent holder can experience financial

gain from the ideas contained in the patent (until the patent has

expired).

[Guest MEB]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BBF02D.38208D9@Guy.com...

| glee wrote:

|

| > Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

|

| Why is it piracy when the manufacturer no longer sells the item in

| question?

|

| And don't give me "well you can buy it on e-bay" crap. There is no

| garantee that anyone selling win-98 on e-bay is selling a version that

| *can* be re-sold or used according to it's EULA, or that the person

| selling it isin't still using the same product key that they're

| purporting to sell.

|

| If it's a book, a music or movie cd that is still available for retail

| sale, then yup, there is such a thing a piracy.

|

| If it's any of the above that is no longer in print or being stamped or

| sold, then making copies of it and passing it around is not piracy.

 

We [you and I, and others] have had prior discussions regarding this

unlawful activity before in this group when you have attempted to foster

this idea before, I see you have once again consciously determined to

further this piracy/criminal activity in this group once again. This would

appear to indicate that:

 

1. You are suffering from some metal disorder under which the realities of

the world are beyond your comprehension due to some physical or other mental

limitation/disability.

 

2. That you are under the influence of some drug or drugs which severely

impairs your ability to comprehend worldly affairs, legal rights of others,

and legal ramifications.

 

3. That you intend to further and foster this criminal activity in hopes

that the more parties engaging in this activity, the harder it becomes to

prosecute the individuals so in engaged.

 

4. That you have NO respect for Law, illegalities of the activities,

personal property rights, copyright, and other as relate. Which would

indicate that you also have ZERO respect for anyone on this planet except

for yourself.

 

5. That ALL of the above applies, and that you also have ZERO concern for

the fact that it is because of this, that others of the people are subjected

to increasingly restrictive Laws, Rules, Codes, and other which in essence

tends to remove their rights, invades their privacy, removes their

protections, and causes other legal ramifications and further restrictions

placed against them.

 

You, personally, were previously directed to review the Laws, legal

agreements, EULAs, and other applicable statutes, Treaties, and other which

define this activity you suggest as criminal, throughout the world..

 

Other discussions have been held in the numerous legal groups [to which you

were also directed] and other which might contain these types of

suggestions. Regardless, the activities you suggest ARE illegal and criminal

in nature. Nothing will change the stature of your suggestion to legal or

remotely acceptable behavior.

 

misc.legal.moderated

 

Legalities regarding DJ Performances

Copyright Infringement or Scam?

Legal to Import Books from India to Canada?

Legalities regarding Digital Rights Management and "Fair Use" :)

Does an internet browser infringe on copyright when displaying images?

Theoretical question - reselling ketchup?

Violating copyrights unknowlingly?

Does the programmer owns part of code copyrights when employed by company X?

School Integridy v. outside freedom of speech?

free open source modules from CPAN in non-free program

Sharing a Burnt Audio CD

Problems with getting Black's Law Dictionary 1st and 2nd Editions into

Public Domain

Slander?

a question of copyright laws [related to replaying DVDs on PalTalk]

a question regarding copyright laws

Bankruptcy and Software Licenses

Copyright Law regarding Museum Photos

Perjury in Federal Court- crime without punishment?

Copyright status of usenet posts

Plain and umambiguous language of statute

Can I Copyright Notecards / Business Cards?

hi, patent help here

Patent Worth Anything?

What is Legal Responsibility for Bank That Loses Business Checks?

Fair use of a characters name vs entirely different product?

Again: Copyright ownership and "work-for-hire"

Image copyrights and google groups

when is music copyright effective ? Can I post to myspace ?

treaty law

SpongeBob makes his legal debut

Right of Publicity laws and the Public Domain

Copyright Question

music and music video hosting

 

This group:

 

Unable to key product key off my Certificate of Authenticity.

Download a full version of WIndwos 98 SE for free

re-installing 98

AT&T rewrites rules: Your data isn't yours

 

 

Court:

 

MICROSOFT CORP. v. AT&T CORP. (No. 05-1056)

MEDIMMUNE, INC. v. GENENTECH, INC. (No. 05-608)

Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly (05-1126)

SANCHEZ-LLAMAS v. OREGON (Nos. 04-10566 and 05-51)

DIXON v. UNITED STATES (No. 05-7053)

Ebay, Inc. v. MERCEXCHANGE, L. L. C. (No. 05-130)

Brigham City v Stuart (05-502)

SINOCHEM INT'L CO. v. MALAYSIA INT'L SHIPPINGCORP. (No. 06-102)

MAI Systems Corp. v. Peak Computer, Inc., 991 F.2d 511 (9th Cir. 1993)

Gershwin Publishing Corp. v. Columbia Artists Management, Inc., 443 F.2d

1159, 1162 (2d Cir. 1921)

 

CODE/STATUTE:

 

"Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act" Pub. L. 105-304,

title II, Oct. 28, 1998, 112 Stat. 2877

 

The Electronic Communication's Privacy Act

This "Watergate" {Nixon years] inspired statute affects the public in almost

every daily activity. Largely modified over the years, but particularly due

to the "Patriot Act" after 09-11-01.

CHAPTER 119 -- WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND

INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS

 

CFR Index

 

See also:

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/fedstat/copyright.htm

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/uscode/house_links.htm

 

 

And the numerous other sites, forums, government, and court materials [u.S.

and international]. So put your junk somewhere else... here it is more than

merely inappropriate, you give the deliberate false impression that it is

not illegal or.criminal in stark contrast to the acual Laws and other which

control the matters.

 

--

MEB

a Peoples' Counsel

--

_________

[Guest ~BD~]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BC147E.68AF0B8B@Guy.com...

> May Jesus protect me from those that believe in Him.

 

 

He won't - of that you may be certain!

 

You are 'standing into danger' my friend.

 

BD

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

MEB wrote:

> I see you have once again consciously determined to further this

> piracy/criminal activity in this group once again. This would

> appear to indicate that: ...

 

Copyright and copyright law exist to protect creative works, arguably to

protect the financial opportunity afforded by those works and convey

that benefit to the authors or the rights-holders.

 

In the case of Microsoft (the rights-holder) and the work (Windows 98),

please explain what financial interest the rights holder has to the

work, given that the rights-holder hasn't offered the work for

commercial sale for several years and by all accounts will never offer

it ever again.

 

How is Microsoft harmed, financially or otherwise, today, by those that

obtain and use Windows-98 by any means?

 

What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit to

Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of Windows 98?

 

And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a

Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items to

others?

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

~BD~ wrote:

> > May Jesus protect me from those that believe in Him.

>

> He won't - of that you may be certain!

 

Oh don't worry. I'm quite certain of the limitations of a fictional

character.

> You are 'standing into danger' my friend.

 

That's an odd phrase - "standing into danger".

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

The entity named "thanatoid" is near death and has decided that this

absolves it of any responsibilities.

 

Of course, "thanatoid" is an incredibly ignorant SOB, too.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

news:uRVj2v%23CJHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see.

> BTW, you bit-torrent abusers are the reason Comcast will be putting caps

> on monthly downloads for all their clients, and soon Time-Warner will be

> restructuring their Internet service into more expensive tiers based on

> monthly download capacity.

>

> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BB4206.1C32D329@Guy.com...

>

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

[Guest Angel]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Hi ,

 

When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that is

copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that individual and the

one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy. I believe that those

individuals have never heard of, or practiced integrity and/or morals. Maybe

they do not know right from wrong. Maybe they just don't care who they

cheat. One day, they will learn what goes down the devil's back comes up his

front. In other words, what goes around comes around. He may get a copy, but

he may get an infected copy.

 

Angel

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BC04CC.968892EF@Guy.com...

: > Normanny wrote:

: >

: > > Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition.

: >

: > Download and install a bit-torrent client. I've been using u-torrent

: > recently.

: >

: > Then go to one of the bit-torrent directory sites and search for win-98

: > torrents.

:

: > Let's try this one:

: >

:

>http://dl.torrentreactor.net/download.php?id=1305362&name=Windows+98+Second

+Edition+Full+Bootable+CD+%2B+CD+Key

:

: Ok, download complete.

:

: I downloaded a UIF converter from here:

:

:

http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4009438/A_UIF_to_ISO_Converter.4009438.TPB.torrent

:

: It's a very small (32 kb) command-line executable (uif2iso.exe). I sent

: it to virustotal to be scanned, and it came back 100% negative.

:

: I ran it and created a 655 mb iso file. I burned the file to a cd using

: ECDC and I'm looking at it now.

:

: By all appearances it's a win-98se cd. File dates are 4/23/99, 10:22

: pm.

:

: I'm not sure if it's a retail cd, or an oem cd, or some other version.

: If there's a file on the cd (txt, dll, etc) that would identify the

: exact MS part or product number, then let me know.

:

: I performed a DOS-level comp command on the root directory and the

: \win98 directory on the CD against an image of a win-98se CD I have on

: my system and all files compared exactly (that's roughly 1/3 of the

: contents of the CD).

:

: So Normanny, go and do what I just did. You'll have a win-98se cd in

: your hands (and a few dozen product keys) in about 5 or 6 hours.

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Angel wrote:

> When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that

> is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that

> individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy.

 

Maybe you should ask yourself why the manufacturer of the product no

longer sells the product.

 

Then ask youself what harm is coming to the manufacturer because of the

obtainment of the "free" product.

> I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced

> integrity and/or morals.

 

What high horse did you fall off of?

 

Why can't you get it through your thick skull that Microsoft suffered no

harm, because it no longer sells Windows 98.

> Maybe they just don't care who they cheat.

 

Please explain how Microsoft was "cheated" in this event.

> He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy.

 

After checking 1/3 of the contents, I'm satisfied that it was a clean

copy.

[Guest MEB]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

The same ol'crap again... gees I made a web containing your last ramblings

attempting to further criminal acts across the world..

 

READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once {I asked before, you

can read can't you?}. When you have something of value that backs your

claims rather than stupid questions, and ideas based upon thin air, bring it

back up. Until then, your just another mindless, ignorant party engaged in

criminal activities attempting to bring others into your criminal

conspiracy, unduly affecting everyone else on this planet by furthering and

participating in such activity..

 

BTW: you were supposed to read those cases, laws, and the rest, so you COULD

have a viable debate... they answer all your questions AND debunk your

presentations. Of course that ends all discussion, but I'm sure you will

never read OR understand, so what's the point... you will continue to engage

in criminal activities until some one catches you, then likely turn State's

evidence by turning in your friends and associates while attempting to get a

plea bargain...

 

--

MEB

a Peoples' counsel

--

_________

 

 

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BC6FFD.2C9CC1D7@Guy.com...

| MEB wrote:

|

| > I see you have once again consciously determined to further this

| > piracy/criminal activity in this group once again. This would

| > appear to indicate that: ...

|

| Copyright and copyright law exist to protect creative works, arguably to

| protect the financial opportunity afforded by those works and convey

| that benefit to the authors or the rights-holders.

|

| In the case of Microsoft (the rights-holder) and the work (Windows 98),

| please explain what financial interest the rights holder has to the

| work, given that the rights-holder hasn't offered the work for

| commercial sale for several years and by all accounts will never offer

| it ever again.

|

| How is Microsoft harmed, financially or otherwise, today, by those that

| obtain and use Windows-98 by any means?

|

| What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit to

| Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of Windows 98?

|

| And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a

| Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items to

| others?

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

MEB wrote:

> READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once

 

Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the

basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws.

 

I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the

right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably

extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their

products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a

product they no longer sell.

 

You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical

discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to

works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the

rights-holder.

 

I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously

proposed questions:

 

| What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit

| to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of

| Windows 98?

 

| And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a

| Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items

| to others?

[Guest Dan]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

I feel MEB has a valid concern that breaking laws in regards to software by

illegally copying it leads to more restrictions. I heard about the case at a

GameStop where someone sued Gamestop for selling them a used copy as new and

the only reason it wasn't new was someone returned the game because the

person did not like it. The lady lost the case but Gamestop changed their

policy of a 7 day return policy to a zero day return policy on new game

software unless the software is unopened and all the woman had to do was be

willing to just exchange the copy she was not satisfied with another game

copy. (Note: The stupidity of people is beyond even me sometimes)

 

"98 Guy" wrote:

> MEB wrote:

>

> > READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once

>

> Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the

> basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws.

>

> I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the

> right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably

> extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their

> products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a

> product they no longer sell.

>

> You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical

> discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to

> works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the

> rights-holder.

>

> I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously

> proposed questions:

>

> | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit

> | to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of

> | Windows 98?

>

> | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a

> | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items

> | to others?

>

[Guest Dan]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

98 Guy, please leave Angel alone. Microsoft was is indeed a copy and for

economic reasons Microsoft decided to abandon the 9x source code. To this

day, I still firmly think this was a huge mistake because now hackers can

concentrate on one line of business source code and it has made consumers

activities lots more dangerous because there is not the distinction between

consumer and cooperate customer anymore. Hopefully, Microsoft will

eventually develop a new source code that is really good and has the best

elements of the 9x source code, the NT source code and perhaps using open

source unix/linunx technologies to make a really good product but until that

day we all do what we can and I cannot promote piracy even if the product has

been abandoned and you are just willing to check 1/3 of the product -- what

happens if the baddie is buried deep within the other 2/3rds in a hidden

directory?

 

"98 Guy" wrote:

> Angel wrote:

>

> > When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that

> > is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that

> > individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy.

>

> Maybe you should ask yourself why the manufacturer of the product no

> longer sells the product.

>

> Then ask youself what harm is coming to the manufacturer because of the

> obtainment of the "free" product.

>

> > I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced

> > integrity and/or morals.

>

> What high horse did you fall off of?

>

> Why can't you get it through your thick skull that Microsoft suffered no

> harm, because it no longer sells Windows 98.

>

> > Maybe they just don't care who they cheat.

>

> Please explain how Microsoft was "cheated" in this event.

>

> > He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy.

>

> After checking 1/3 of the contents, I'm satisfied that it was a clean

> copy.

>

[Guest MEB]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

This is the same garbage you attempted to extend the last time.. same

suggestions, different addressing points...

 

Rather than ask these baseless questions which raise no new material, why

not research the aspect of your issue with Microsoft and 9X to the extent of

presenting it to a court as a question for the court to answer??? Perhaps

with the abandonware, lack of use, and other you seem to believe separates

this issue from all the others of which and in which the courts HAVE

answered those questions.

 

This would achieve your supposed goal and answer ALL of your childlike

questions. Post your name and address and phone number with the illegal

commercial 9X software you "personally" offer free. Get yourself arrested

and then you will have your forum to expound from, your day in court...

 

My bet is that you will not do this because you are basically and

apparently gutless, moreover, without the knowledge or experience necessary

to support your claims. IN FACT, I AM quite sure you know there is no basis

for your presentation or your ideas regarding this path which you purport to

follow and continue to direct others to engage in.

 

So there it is, your soap box, your way to change the world: PUT UP OR SHUT

UP

 

--

MEB

a Peoples' counsel

--

_________

 

 

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BD4449.FFE4DB60@Guy.com...

| MEB wrote:

|

| > READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once

|

| Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the

| basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws.

|

| I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the

| right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably

| extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their

| products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a

| product they no longer sell.

|

| You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical

| discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to

| works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the

| rights-holder.

|

| I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously

| proposed questions:

|

| | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit

| | to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of

| | Windows 98?

|

| | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a

| | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items

| | to others?

[Guest Don Phillipson]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48BC401A.7EFE1653@Guy.com...

> Anyways, someone once said the law is an ass.

> . . .

> I see it a lot like a patent.

>

> I am free to replicate the ideas contained in a patent for my own

> personal use, or perhaps for others so long as there is no direct

> financial gain for me. Only the patent holder can experience financial

> gain from the ideas contained in the patent (until the patent has

> expired).

 

You seem to be wrong about this point of law as well, cf. the recent

patenting (in the USA) of certain genes. This means they may

not be used at all without the permission of the patent holder.

Personal use or non-profit environments do not mitigate

the offence of illegal use of a patent.

 

elsewhere

> MEB wrote:

> > READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once

 

98 Guy wrote:

> Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the

> basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws.

>

> I am not disputing that the laws, as written . . .

 

Readers see your posts on two topics:

1. What current law says

2. The reasons or purposes underlying current law.

 

We cannot expect good discussion of #2 if first we get #1 wrong, for

example:

(a) " no longer in print or being stamped or sold, then

making copies of it and passing it around is not piracy."

(b) "I am free to replicate the ideas contained in a patent for my own

personal use, or perhaps for others so long as there is no direct

financial gain for me."

 

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

[Guest Angel]

Re: Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition

 

Thanks Dan,

 

You have just asked "98 Guy" the same question I was going to ask. He

checked ONLY 1/3rd of the downloaded Pirated Win98SE? Maybe he is in for a

great surprise!! Of course, he is a "know it all" and no matter what. In his

own opinion, he is never wrong no matter what! He is just a Troll! looking

for someone to pick on.

 

Angel

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0999B314-BE50-4E90-9D7B-4E30F8F16B6E@microsoft.com...

: 98 Guy, please leave Angel alone. Microsoft was is indeed a copy and for

: economic reasons Microsoft decided to abandon the 9x source code. To this

: day, I still firmly think this was a huge mistake because now hackers can

: concentrate on one line of business source code and it has made consumers

: activities lots more dangerous because there is not the distinction

between

: consumer and cooperate customer anymore. Hopefully, Microsoft will

: eventually develop a new source code that is really good and has the best

: elements of the 9x source code, the NT source code and perhaps using open

: source unix/linunx technologies to make a really good product but until

that

: day we all do what we can and I cannot promote piracy even if the product

has

: been abandoned and you are just willing to check 1/3 of the product --

what

: happens if the baddie is buried deep within the other 2/3rds in a hidden

: directory?

:

: "98 Guy" wrote:

:

: > Angel wrote:

: >

: > > When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that

: > > is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that

: > > individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy.

: >

: > Maybe you should ask yourself why the manufacturer of the product no

: > longer sells the product.

: >

: > Then ask youself what harm is coming to the manufacturer because of the

: > obtainment of the "free" product.

: >

: > > I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced

: > > integrity and/or morals.

: >

: > What high horse did you fall off of?

: >

: > Why can't you get it through your thick skull that Microsoft suffered no

: > harm, because it no longer sells Windows 98.

: >

: > > Maybe they just don't care who they cheat.

: >

: > Please explain how Microsoft was "cheated" in this event.

: >

: > > He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy.

: >

: > After checking 1/3 of the contents, I'm satisfied that it was a clean

: > copy.

: >