Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the network connections. Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I abandoned that project weeks ago. The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash. As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the heck happened to cause the problems. Anyone have any ideas? (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont interfere with the working windows. --- One other thing....... The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry.
Guest glee Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Explorer freezing when deleting a large number of files is a bug that has been discussed in this group more times than I care to think about. I am on my way out the door, so I can't take the time to re-hash it all (I'm sure PCR or someone will be happy to). Do a Google Groups search of this group for the issue and you will find much. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com... >A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop > (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the > network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was > easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the > network connections. > > Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I > abandoned that project weeks ago. > > The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I > have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or > move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my > camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze > for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However > during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few > other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same > time, some other programs would crash. > > As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything > connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from > Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built > in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and > removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever > since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, > and ran several system checkers. > > Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows > directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, > which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and > had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old > installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation > from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to > repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did > reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of > it control Windows Explorer. > > Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the > heck happened to cause the problems. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont > interfere with the working windows. > > --- > > One other thing....... > The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using > IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is > loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files > folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's > obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. > How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but > it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that > must be in the registry. >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Semi-OT Note: When you go to rebuild the Network, clear out ALL of the items in the Network applet. Don't leave ANYTHING. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com... >A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop > (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the > network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was > easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the > network connections. > > Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I > abandoned that project weeks ago. > > The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I > have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or > move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my > camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze > for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However > during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few > other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same > time, some other programs would crash. > > As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything > connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from > Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built > in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and > removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever > since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, > and ran several system checkers. > > Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows > directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, > which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and > had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old > installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation > from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to > repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did > reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of > it control Windows Explorer. > > Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the > heck happened to cause the problems. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont > interfere with the working windows. > > --- > > One other thing....... > The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using > IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is > loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files > folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's > obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. > How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but > it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that > must be in the registry. >
Guest Dan Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 RE: Deleting Files causes Freezup A clean install is the way to go and save any files you need and make sure they are clean by checking them for viruses, spyware, malware and baddies and then clean like you have never cleaned before. Please do not be ashamed to ask for help if you need it from a computer buddy or a specialty shop in your neighborhood that has a good reputation for fixing computers and do not bring it to a large store like Best Buy or Circuit City where they rush the repairs in order to generate as much business and profits as possible at least that is my opinion. "letterman@invalid.com" wrote: > A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop > (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the > network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was > easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the > network connections. > > Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I > abandoned that project weeks ago. > > The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I > have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or > move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my > camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze > for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However > during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few > other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same > time, some other programs would crash. > > As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything > connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from > Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built > in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and > removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever > since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, > and ran several system checkers. > > Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows > directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, > which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and > had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old > installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation > from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to > repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did > reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of > it control Windows Explorer. > > Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the > heck happened to cause the problems. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont > interfere with the working windows. > > --- > > One other thing....... > The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using > IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is > loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files > folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's > obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. > How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but > it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that > must be in the registry. > >
Guest MEB Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:OtEbeh0DJHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Explorer freezing when deleting a large number of files is a bug that has been | discussed in this group more times than I care to think about. I am on my way out | the door, so I can't take the time to re-hash it all (I'm sure PCR or someone will | be happy to). Do a Google Groups search of this group for the issue and you will | find much. | -- | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ | http://dts-l.net/ | http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm | As you and Glen noted, the issue MAY lay within IE6 files and the shell/browser, and incompatibilities with the XP files that were installed during IE 6 installation. IE 6 was NOT properly ported for use in the 9X environment. As you indicated IE 5 did not cause issues, its browser DLLs were designed for the 9X and early NT environments. Changing the DLLs would potentially correct the issue IF related to those DLLs. There are batch files which provide that service, changing them from IE 5 to 6 DLLs by replacement and back again. NOTE: the IE 5 DLLs do have vulnerabilities, which was part of the reason they were changed. Another potential is that residual network aspects may still be involved, such as a former networked drive, mapped drives, or other. RE-CHECK to ensure that all prior networking has been removed. Changing adapters can or does leave residuals to now non-existant network IP/MAC entries. Unless you followed proper removal techniques, these may still exist in the registry. Additionally, there are issues with mapped drives, and other system and network functions of which updates were provided by Microsoft. Make sure that either they are installed, or that they are un-needed. -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________ | | <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message | news:js02c41l177s64r3hofrtahg45v5ufqif8@4ax.com... | >A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop | > (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the | > network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was | > easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the | > network connections. | > | > Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I | > abandoned that project weeks ago. | > | > The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I | > have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or | > move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my | > camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze | > for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However | > during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few | > other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same | > time, some other programs would crash. | > | > As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything | > connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from | > Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built | > in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and | > removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever | > since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, | > and ran several system checkers. | > | > Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows | > directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, | > which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and | > had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old | > installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation | > from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to | > repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did | > reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of | > it control Windows Explorer. | > | > Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the | > heck happened to cause the problems. | > | > Anyone have any ideas? | > | > (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont | > interfere with the working windows. | > | > --- | > | > One other thing....... | > The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using | > IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is | > loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files | > folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's | > obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. | > How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but | > it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that | > must be in the registry. | > |
Guest MEB Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Oh, a couple more things: The type of installation you ended up using during this period can cause issues in itself. By using two separate installations you may have caused multiple conflicting entries in the registries. Microsoft DOES/DID have a KB which describes how this type of installation MUST be done, and what the effects can be. IF, as your posting seems to indicate, you then installed an old image containing IE5 entries, that entry will be the reported version. The information is stored in several entries in the registry, such as: Microsoft/Active Setup/InstallInfo Microsoft/Internet Explorer Microsoft/IE Setup/Setup among others. NOTE also, that any updates previously done may no longer be properly registered and/or installed. The procedure you used can or does cause problems when attempted unless the proper techniques are used. -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________
Guest PCR Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup letterman@invalid.com wrote: | A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop | (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the | network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was | easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the | network connections. | | Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I | abandoned that project weeks ago. | | The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I | have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or | move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my | camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze | for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However | during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few | other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same | time, some other programs would crash. | | As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything | connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from | Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built | in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and | removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever | since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, | and ran several system checkers. | | Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows | directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, | which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and | had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old | installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation | from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to | repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did | reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of | it control Windows Explorer. | | Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the | heck happened to cause the problems. | | Anyone have any ideas? | | (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont | interfere with the working windows. | | --- | | One other thing....... | The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using | IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is | loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files | folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's | obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. | How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but | it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that | must be in the registry. Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 .dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. (1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! (2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". (3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... "C:\Windows\System". (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder named... "My System". (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System (e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows (4) Reboot. Try a massive copy or delete. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >letterman@invalid.com wrote: >| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop >| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the >| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was >| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the >| network connections. >| >| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I >| abandoned that project weeks ago. >| >| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I >| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete or >| move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from my >| camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just freeze >| for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. However >| during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few >| other loaded programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same >| time, some other programs would crash. >| >| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything >| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries from >| Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled the built >| in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and router, and >| removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever >| since. I have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, >| and ran several system checkers. >| >| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows >| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, >| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, and >| had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old >| installation, but the backup works like it should. That installation >| from the networking had just gone flakey and was not worth trying to >| repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did >| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know parts of >| it control Windows Explorer. >| >| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what the >| heck happened to cause the problems. >| >| Anyone have any ideas? >| >| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it dont >| interfere with the working windows. >| >| --- >| >| One other thing....... >| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been using >| IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub folders). IE6 is >| loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the program files >| folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it works fine. It's >| obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. >| How the heck can that be? I had planned to run the IE6 installer, but >| it works fine, just tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that >| must be in the registry. > >Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to solve >the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 .dll's into >the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be best to reverse >what you have done, & do the following... > >IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered >for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & >BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 >(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". >Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". >Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else >(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. > >(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! >(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... > "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". >(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... > "C:\Windows\System". > (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder named... > "My System". > (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". > © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" > (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System > COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System >(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows >(4) Reboot. > >Try a massive copy or delete. Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather report because IE loads faster. The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. Thanks to all.
Guest PCR Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup letterman@invalid.com wrote: | On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: | |>letterman@invalid.com wrote: |>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop |>| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the |>| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was |>| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the |>| network connections. |>| |>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I |>| abandoned that project weeks ago. |>| |>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I |>| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete |>| or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from |>| my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just |>| freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. |>| However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I |>| could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web |>| browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash. |>| |>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything |>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries |>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled |>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and |>| router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have |>| continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the |>| hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. |>| |>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows |>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, |>| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, |>| and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old |>| installation, but the backup works like it should. That |>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not |>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting |>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, |>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. |>| |>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what |>| the heck happened to cause the problems. |>| |>| Anyone have any ideas? |>| |>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it |>| dont interfere with the working windows. |>| |>| --- |>| |>| One other thing....... |>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been |>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub |>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the |>| program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it |>| works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says |>| I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run |>| the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have |>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. |> |>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to |>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 |>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be |>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... |> |>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or |>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have |>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll |>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains |>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet |>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into |>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- |>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. |> |>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! |>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... |> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". |>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... |> "C:\Windows\System". |> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder |> named... "My System". |> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". |> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" |> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System |> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System |>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows |>(4) Reboot. |> |>Try a massive copy or delete. | | | Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give | this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems. | However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the | registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted | the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I | installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good | opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am | not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE | is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather | report because IE loads faster. | | The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better | understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. | | When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows | directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking | the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same date. After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. | Thanks to all. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >letterman@invalid.com wrote: >| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >| >|>letterman@invalid.com wrote: >|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop >|>| (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the >|>| network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was >|>| easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the >|>| network connections. >|>| >|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I >|>| abandoned that project weeks ago. >|>| >|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I >|>| have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete >|>| or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from >|>| my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just >|>| freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. >|>| However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I >|>| could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web >|>| browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash. >|>| >|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything >|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries >|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled >|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and >|>| router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have >|>| continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the >|>| hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. >|>| >|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows >|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, >|>| which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, >|>| and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old >|>| installation, but the backup works like it should. That >|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not >|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting >|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, >|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. >|>| >|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what >|>| the heck happened to cause the problems. >|>| >|>| Anyone have any ideas? >|>| >|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it >|>| dont interfere with the working windows. >|>| >|>| --- >|>| >|>| One other thing....... >|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been >|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub >|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the >|>| program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it >|>| works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says >|>| I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run >|>| the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have >|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. >|> >|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to >|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 >|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be >|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... >|> >|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have >|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll >|>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains >|>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet >|>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into >|>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- >|>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. >|> >|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! >|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... >|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". >|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... >|> "C:\Windows\System". >|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder >|> named... "My System". >|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". >|> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" >|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System >|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System >|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows >|>(4) Reboot. >|> >|>Try a massive copy or delete. >| >| >| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give >| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems. >| However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the >| registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted >| the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I >| installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good >| opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am >| not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE >| is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather >| report because IE loads faster. >| >| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better >| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. >| >| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows >| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking >| the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. > >I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & >sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is >created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder >& there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products >also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows >folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the >Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they >will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same >date. > I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does not even require an installation because the download only contains an ..EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry. All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I backed up windows. The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I need). I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had been deleted. >After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I >personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is >because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what versions are needed and which version is which. BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB I assume those are from IE 5.5. -------------------------- In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB I assume this is the IE6 version. So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5 ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
Guest Bill in Co. Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup letterman@invalid.com wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: > >> letterman@invalid.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >>> >>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote: >>>>> A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop >>>>> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the >>>>> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was >>>>> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the >>>>> network connections. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I >>>>> abandoned that project weeks ago. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I >>>>> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete >>>>> or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from >>>>> my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just >>>>> freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. >>>>> However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I >>>>> could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web >>>>> browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash. >>>>> >>>>> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything >>>>> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries >>>>> from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled >>>>> the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and >>>>> router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have >>>>> continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the >>>>> hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows >>>>> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, >>>>> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, >>>>> and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old >>>>> installation, but the backup works like it should. That >>>>> installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not >>>>> worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting >>>>> with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, >>>>> because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what >>>>> the heck happened to cause the problems. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it >>>>> dont interfere with the working windows. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> One other thing....... >>>>> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been >>>>> using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub >>>>> folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the >>>>> program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it >>>>> works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says >>>>> I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run >>>>> the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have >>>>> IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. >>>> >>>> Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to >>>> solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 >>>> .dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be >>>> best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... >>>> >>>> IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >>>> folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have >>>> discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll >>>> & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains >>>> IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet >>>> Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into >>>> "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- >>>> but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. >>>> >>>> (1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! >>>> (2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... >>>> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". >>>> (3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... >>>> "C:\Windows\System". >>>> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder >>>> named... "My System". >>>> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". >>>> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" >>>> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System >>>> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System >>>> (e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows >>>> (4) Reboot. >>>> >>>> Try a massive copy or delete. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give >>> this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems. >>> However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the >>> registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted >>> the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I >>> installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good >>> opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am >>> not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE >>> is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather >>> report because IE loads faster. >>> >>> The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better >>> understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. >>> >>> When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows >>> directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking >>> the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. >> >> I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & >> sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is >> created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder >> & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products >> also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows >> folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the >> Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they >> will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same >> date. >> > I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect > doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well > as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have > done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program > Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in > summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in > Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since > the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does > not even require an installation because the download only contains an > .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were > more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those > folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I > reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had > to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that > program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated > them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry. > All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I > backed up windows. > > The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and > fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter > of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved > the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I > need). > > I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were > quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I > randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are > deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had > been deleted. > >> After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I >> personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is >> because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. I have. More on that below. > I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I > have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll & > BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web > earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what > versions are needed and which version is which. > > BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB > BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB > I assume those are from IE 5.5. > > -------------------------- > > In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have > > BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB > BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB > I assume this is the IE6 version. From memory, that all sounds about right. > So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5 > ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? Yes, that's correct (and is what I did, too). And it solved the file copy problem. > Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM > folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two > different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
Guest dadiOH Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup letterman@invalid.com wrote: > Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM > folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two > different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Windows%2FVCM&aq=f&oq= -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Bill in Co. Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Correction: I meant the "large number of files delete problem" below (and corrected below). Bill in Co. wrote: > letterman@invalid.com wrote: >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >> >>> letterman@invalid.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote: >>>>>> A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my desktop >>>>>> (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only wanted the >>>>>> network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I decided it was >>>>>> easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, than fight with the >>>>>> network connections. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I >>>>>> abandoned that project weeks ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, I >>>>>> have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I delete >>>>>> or move many files. For example, moving all the camera photos from >>>>>> my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the computer to just >>>>>> freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it worked fine again. >>>>>> However during the freeze, I could not do anything, or maybe I >>>>>> could get a few other loaded programs to work, such as a web >>>>>> browser. At the same time, some other programs would crash. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything >>>>>> connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries >>>>>> from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled >>>>>> the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables and >>>>>> router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups have >>>>>> continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all the >>>>>> hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows >>>>>> directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months ago, >>>>>> which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few programs, >>>>>> and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of the old >>>>>> installation, but the backup works like it should. That >>>>>> installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not >>>>>> worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting >>>>>> with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, >>>>>> because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what >>>>>> the heck happened to cause the problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone have any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it >>>>>> dont interfere with the working windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> >>>>>> One other thing....... >>>>>> The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been >>>>>> using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub >>>>>> folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore the >>>>>> program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, it >>>>>> works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it says >>>>>> I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned to run >>>>>> the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have >>>>>> IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. >>>>> >>>>> Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to >>>>> solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 >>>>> .dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be >>>>> best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... >>>>> >>>>> IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >>>>> folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have >>>>> discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll >>>>> & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains >>>>> IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet >>>>> Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into >>>>> "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- >>>>> but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. >>>>> >>>>> (1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! >>>>> (2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... >>>>> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". >>>>> (3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... >>>>> "C:\Windows\System". >>>>> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder >>>>> named... "My System". >>>>> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". >>>>> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" >>>>> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System >>>>> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System >>>>> (e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows >>>>> (4) Reboot. >>>>> >>>>> Try a massive copy or delete. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give >>>> this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the problems. >>>> However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. Since the >>>> registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I just deleted >>>> the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is the second time I >>>> installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my system, so this was a good >>>> opportunity to get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am >>>> not too worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE >>>> is when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather >>>> report because IE loads faster. >>>> >>>> The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better >>>> understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. >>>> >>>> When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows >>>> directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. Checking >>>> the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. >>> >>> I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & >>> sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is >>> created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows folder >>> & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party products >>> also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the Windows >>> folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least both the >>> Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to but they >>> will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of the same >>> date. >>> >> I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect >> doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well >> as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have >> done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program >> Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in >> summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in >> Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since >> the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does >> not even require an installation because the download only contains an >> .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were >> more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those >> folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I >> reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had >> to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that >> program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated >> them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry. >> All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I >> backed up windows. >> >> The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and >> fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter >> of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved >> the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I >> need). >> >> I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were >> quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I >> randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are >> deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had >> been deleted. >> >>> After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I >>> personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That is >>> because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. > > I have. More on that below. > >> I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I >> have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll & >> BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web >> earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what >> versions are needed and which version is which. >> >> BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB >> BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB >> I assume those are from IE 5.5. >> >> -------------------------- >> >> In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have >> >> BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB >> BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB >> I assume this is the IE6 version. > > From memory, that all sounds about right. > >> So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5 >> ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? > > Yes, that's correct (and is what I did, too). And it solved the file > delete > problem. [corrected above] >> Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM >> folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two >> different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
Guest PCR Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup letterman@invalid.com wrote: | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: | |>letterman@invalid.com wrote: |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: |>| |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote: |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only |>|>| wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I |>|>| decided it was easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, |>|>| than fight with the network connections. |>|>| |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago. |>|>| |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, |>|>| I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I |>|>| delete or move many files. For example, moving all the camera |>|>| photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the |>|>| computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it |>|>| worked fine again. However during the freeze, I could not do |>|>| anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded programs to |>|>| work, such as a web browser. At the same time, some other |>|>| programs would crash. |>|>| |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything |>|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries |>|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled |>|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables |>|>| and router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups |>|>| have continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all |>|>| the hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. |>|>| |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows |>|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months |>|>| ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few |>|>| programs, and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of |>|>| the old installation, but the backup works like it should. That |>|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not |>|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting |>|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, |>|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. |>|>| |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what |>|>| the heck happened to cause the problems. |>|>| |>|>| Anyone have any ideas? |>|>| |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it |>|>| dont interfere with the working windows. |>|>| |>|>| --- |>|>| |>|>| One other thing....... |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been |>|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, |>|>| it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it |>|>| says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned |>|>| to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have |>|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. |>|> |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be |>|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... |>|> |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or |>|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have |>|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder |>|>that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program |>|>Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those |>|>DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use |>|>its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the |>|>IE5.5 .dll's. |>|> |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... |>|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... |>|> "C:\Windows\System". |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder |>|> named... "My System". |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". |>|> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows |>|>(4) Reboot. |>|> |>|>Try a massive copy or delete. |>| |>| |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give |>| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. |>| Since the registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I |>| just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is |>| the second time I installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my |>| system, so this was a good opportunity to get rid of it. I |>| normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too worried about security |>| with IE. About the only time I use IE is when FF dont render a page |>| correctly, or to get a quick weather report because IE loads faster. |>| |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. |>| |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. |> |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to |>but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of |>the same date. |> | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect | doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well | as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have | done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program | Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in | summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in | Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since | the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does | not even require an installation because the download only contains an | .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were | more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I | reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had | to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that | program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated | them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry. | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I | backed up windows. | | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter | of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved | the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I | need). Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad" Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was two files! | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I | randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are | deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had | been deleted. Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one restores a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future, you must use a cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- & backup/restore all folders together. |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I |>personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That |>is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. | | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I | have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll & | BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web | earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what | versions are needed and which version is which. | | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB | I assume those are from IE 5.5. If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab & IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab... BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said. | -------------------------- | | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have | | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB | I assume this is the IE6 version. Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files. | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5 | ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS works fine no matter what version of those files one has! | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR? Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one does an over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted. Run quick, if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell reasons! Here is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)... http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB Search "Version Conflict Manager"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact Phrase; comes up with four... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98 Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98 (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version Conflict Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after you install a program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98 Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be lost. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98 List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98 Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access other tools that are included with Windows 98. This... -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Dan Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup {Note: My Usual Long Reply -- Sorry in advance because I get carried away -- grin} Nice, PCR. I always like that you have the lists of Microsoft Windows support articles. dadiOH's information was useful as well. I learned something new today. So letterman, how are you going to work it so you avoid dll h_ll and I would highly suggest doing things manually and not using tools like "System Mechnanic" at least with Windows 98 because I think it is really fun to read the long books on the operating system and slowly but surely learn how to do everything like manually editing the registry yourself. It can become more complicated in later operating systems but Windows 98 Second Edition is a really fun operating system to manually work on after you start reading up on lots of information and trying it out yourself and then you do not have to rely on 3rd party programs especially since Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition no longer have mainstream support from Microsoft. I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not just a command.com prompt text based interface. Also, I like the fact that 98 Second Edition does not have as many services running automatically like Windows XP has that can be exploited and broken into the operating system because of them. Finally, AFAIK Windows 98 Second Edition has no way to remotely connect securely and safety with another user and this is a huge strength, imo, because when someone hacks into a company's intranet then targets your computer, if you are connected via Windows XP Professional VPN at least as of September 2007 then you are a goner but if you are connected via Windows 98 Second Edition using VPN then all the hacker or hackers can do to you is give you the usual denial of service error and this is so much nicer then actually having a hacker remotely control your operating system. "PCR" wrote: > letterman@invalid.com wrote: > | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: > | > |>letterman@invalid.com wrote: > |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote: > |>| > |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote: > |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my > |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I only > |>|>| wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the laptop. I > |>|>| decided it was easier to copy files using flash memory sticks, > |>|>| than fight with the network connections. > |>|>| > |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I > |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago. > |>|>| > |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network work, > |>|>| I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly when I > |>|>| delete or move many files. For example, moving all the camera > |>|>| photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), caused the > |>|>| computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. After that, it > |>|>| worked fine again. However during the freeze, I could not do > |>|>| anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded programs to > |>|>| work, such as a web browser. At the same time, some other > |>|>| programs would crash. > |>|>| > |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed everything > |>|>| connected to the networking. I removed all the un-needed entries > |>|>| from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my TCP/IP), I disabled > |>|>| the built in ethernet card in my bios, and unplugged the cables > |>|>| and router, and removed all the drivers. Yet, these freezeups > |>|>| have continued ever since. I have tried everything, checked all > |>|>| the hardware for errors, and ran several system checkers. > |>|>| > |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the windows > |>|>| directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a few months > |>|>| ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to reinstall a few > |>|>| programs, and had to copy a few links from the desktop folder of > |>|>| the old installation, but the backup works like it should. That > |>|>| installation from the networking had just gone flakey and was not > |>|>| worth trying to repair any longer, after several weeks of fighting > |>|>| with it. I did reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, > |>|>| because I know parts of it control Windows Explorer. > |>|>| > |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious what > |>|>| the heck happened to cause the problems. > |>|>| > |>|>| Anyone have any ideas? > |>|>| > |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so it > |>|>| dont interfere with the working windows. > |>|>| > |>|>| --- > |>|>| > |>|>| One other thing....... > |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have been > |>|>| using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub > |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore > |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load IE, > |>|>| it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on ABOUT, it > |>|>| says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I had planned > |>|>| to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just tells me I have > |>|>| IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in the registry. > |>|> > |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to > |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 > |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might be > |>|>best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... > |>|> > |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or > |>|>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have > |>|>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of > |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder > |>|>that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program > |>|>Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those > |>|>DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use > |>|>its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the > |>|>IE5.5 .dll's. > |>|> > |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! > |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll to... > |>|> "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". > |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... > |>|> "C:\Windows\System". > |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder > |>|> named... "My System". > |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". > |>|> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" > |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System > |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System > |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows > |>|>(4) Reboot. > |>|> > |>|>Try a massive copy or delete. > |>| > |>| > |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to give > |>| this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the > |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall Windows5.5. > |>| Since the registry was set for it, and I had the install files, I > |>| just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 installer. This is > |>| the second time I installed IE6 and it caused trouble with my > |>| system, so this was a good opportunity to get rid of it. I > |>| normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too worried about security > |>| with IE. About the only time I use IE is when FF dont render a page > |>| correctly, or to get a quick weather report because IE loads faster. > |>| > |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better > |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. > |>| > |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows > |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. > |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. > |> > |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & > |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is > |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows > |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party > |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the > |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least > |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install to > |>but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are as/of > |>the same date. > |> > | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to neglect > | doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows folder, as well > | as my email and my photos to another drive, but that is all I have > | done since last December. Thus there is no recent backup of "Program > | Files". On the other hand, since I dont do much with the computer in > | summer, nothing much changed. By looking at the dates of folders in > | Progrma Files, I found that I had only installed three programs since > | the windows backup. One was a real simple reminder program that does > | not even require an installation because the download only contains an > | .EXE and a Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were > | more advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those > | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, then I > | reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, except I had > | to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for some reason that > | program told me I had old definition files when in fact I just updated > | them a few days prior. My guess is that was a registry entry. > | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same since I > | backed up windows. > | > | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and > | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a matter > | of copying them to the restored backup after installation. I saved > | the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find something else I > | need). > > Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if > you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup > Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad" > Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was two > files! > > | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were > | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files that I > | randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. They are > | deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up which had > | been deleted. > > Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one restores > a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future, you must use a > cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- & backup/restore all folders > together. > > |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. I > |>personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. That > |>is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good luck. > | > | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question I > | have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the BrowseUI.dll & > | BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I looked on the web > | earlier and found lots of discussions, but no one addressed what > | versions are needed and which version is which. > | > | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB > | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB > | I assume those are from IE 5.5. > > If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version > 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab & > IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab... > > BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes > BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes > > So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said. > > | -------------------------- > | > | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have > | > | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB > | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB > | I assume this is the IE6 version. > > Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files. > > | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these IE5.5 > | ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? > > That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive > deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS works > fine no matter what version of those files one has! > > | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM > | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two > | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR? > > Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one does an > over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted. Run quick, > if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell reasons! Here > is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)... > > http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB > Search "Version Conflict Manager"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact Phrase; > comes up with four... > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98 > Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98 > (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager > tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version Conflict > Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after you install a > program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version... > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98 > Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool > (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the > newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the > files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be > lost. > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98 > List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit > (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the > Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 Resource > Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on the Windows > 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors are... > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98 > Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool > (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System > Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather information > about your computer, to diagnose issues with your computer, or to access > other tools that are included with Windows 98. This... > > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > >
Guest FromTheRafters Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:366C6894-9050-4EE1-8D63-B9B646831819@microsoft.com... > I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating > system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not > just > a command.com prompt text based interface. Command.com *is* the MS-DOS user interface, especially since they dropped the GUI Dosshell.exe.
Guest Dan Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Please Google Chris Quirke who is a most valuable Microsoft Professional and you will see he has the correct information. His blog is most informative and there is no true MS-DOS, maintenance operating system with the business source code line of Microsoft products which are NT, 2000, XP and Vista and there is with the 9x source code line of products although it is limited in Windows ME. {Note: I have even confirmed this with Microsoft so it is a fact.} "FromTheRafters" wrote: > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:366C6894-9050-4EE1-8D63-B9B646831819@microsoft.com... > > > I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance operating > > system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and not > > just > > a command.com prompt text based interface. > > Command.com *is* the MS-DOS user interface, especially > since they dropped the GUI Dosshell.exe. > > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered >for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & >BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 >(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". >Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". >Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else >(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would have thought these settings were stored in the registry. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest PCR Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Franc Zabkar wrote: | On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put | finger to keyboard and composed: | |>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or |>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have |>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll |>& BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains |>IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet |>Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into |>"C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- |>but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. | | I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings | reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous | settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would | have thought these settings were stored in the registry. I don't recall that happening when I tested it a while ago. As long as you could easily get the settings back to normal, it probably isn't worth an intensive investigation; otherwise, I'd mess with those settings while tracking with InCtrl5 to see what happens. The menu in Explorer could end up looking a tad different is the only anomaly I recall. I trust the main issue was solved for you & there was no detectable serious side effect (or you'd have said so & possibly have assasinated me or Bill of Co. &/or Chauvin). I should mention this switch of files should only be done after all updates at Windows Update have been taken; otherwise, the LC &/or UI file could get replaced again. | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Dan wrote: | {Note: My Usual Long Reply -- Sorry in advance because I get carried | away -- grin} | | Nice, PCR. I always like that you have the lists of Microsoft Windows | support articles. Glad to have been useful. But I don't know much more about it. And don't blame me if Terhune should show up & hit you over the head with a fat ..dll for thinking of an over-install of Windows & the VCM! | dadiOH's information was useful as well. I learned | something new today. So letterman, how are you going to work it so | you avoid dll h_ll and I would highly suggest doing things manually | and not using tools like "System Mechnanic" at least with Windows 98 | because I think it is really fun to read the long books on the | operating system and slowly but surely learn how to do everything | like manually editing the registry yourself. It can become more | complicated in later operating systems but Windows 98 Second Edition | is a really fun operating system to manually work on after you start | reading up on lots of information and trying it out yourself and then | you do not have to rely on 3rd party programs especially since | Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition no longer have mainstream support | from Microsoft. I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its | maintenance operating system because it is fun to work in a true text | based environment and not just a command.com prompt text based | interface. Also, I like the fact that 98 Second Edition does not | have as many services running automatically like Windows XP has that | can be exploited and broken into the operating system because of | them. Finally, AFAIK Windows 98 Second Edition has no way to remotely | connect securely and safety with another user and this is a huge | strength, imo, because when someone hacks into a company's intranet | then targets your computer, if you are connected via Windows XP | Professional VPN at least as of September 2007 then you are a goner | but if you are connected via Windows 98 Second Edition using VPN then | all the hacker or hackers can do to you is give you the usual denial | of service error and this is so much nicer then actually having a | hacker remotely control your operating system. | | "PCR" wrote: | |> letterman@invalid.com wrote: |> | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> |> | wrote: |> | |> |>letterman@invalid.com wrote: |> |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> |> |>| wrote: |> |>| |> |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote: |> |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my |> |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I |> |>|>| only wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the |> |>|>| laptop. I decided it was easier to copy files using flash |> |>|>| memory sticks, than fight with the network connections. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I |> |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network |> |>|>| work, I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly |> |>|>| when I delete or move many files. For example, moving all the |> |>|>| camera photos from my camera card (via USB card reader), |> |>|>| caused the computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes. |> |>|>| After that, it worked fine again. However during the freeze, I |> |>|>| could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded |> |>|>| programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same time, |> |>|>| some other programs would crash. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed |> |>|>| everything connected to the networking. I removed all the |> |>|>| un-needed entries from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my |> |>|>| TCP/IP), I disabled the built in ethernet card in my bios, |> |>|>| and unplugged the cables and router, and removed all the |> |>|>| drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever since. I |> |>|>| have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors, |> |>|>| and ran several system checkers. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the |> |>|>| windows directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a |> |>|>| few months ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to |> |>|>| reinstall a few programs, and had to copy a few links from the |> |>|>| desktop folder of the old installation, but the backup works |> |>|>| like it should. That installation from the networking had |> |>|>| just gone flakey and was not worth trying to repair any |> |>|>| longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did |> |>|>| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know |> |>|>| parts of it control Windows Explorer. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious |> |>|>| what the heck happened to cause the problems. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| Anyone have any ideas? |> |>|>| |> |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so |> |>|>| it dont interfere with the working windows. |> |>|>| |> |>|>| --- |> |>|>| |> |>|>| One other thing....... |> |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have |> |>|>| been using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub |> |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore |> |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load |> |>|>| IE, it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on |> |>|>| ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I |> |>|>| had planned to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just |> |>|>| tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in |> |>|>| the registry. |> |>|> |> |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to |> |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6 |> |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might |> |>|>be best to reverse what you have done, & do the following... |> |>|> |> |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large |> |>|>files or folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others |> |>|>have discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of |> |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the |> |>|>folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is |> |>|>"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 |> |>|>versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that |> |>|>way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if |> |>|>anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. |> |>|> |> |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway! |> |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll |> |>|> to... "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer". |> |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to... |> |>|> "C:\Windows\System". |> |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder |> |>|> named... "My System". |> |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System". |> |>|> © "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode" |> |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System |> |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System |> |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows |> |>|>(4) Reboot. |> |>|> |> |>|>Try a massive copy or delete. |> |>| |> |>| |> |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to |> |>| give this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the |> |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall |> |>| Windows5.5. Since the registry was set for it, and I had the |> |>| install files, I just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5 |> |>| installer. This is the second time I installed IE6 and it |> |>| caused trouble with my system, so this was a good opportunity to |> |>| get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too |> |>| worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE is |> |>| when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather |> |>| report because IE loads faster. |> |>| |> |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better |> |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98. |> |>| |> |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows |> |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included. |> |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5. |> |> |> |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder & |> |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is |> |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows |> |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party |> |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the |> |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least |> |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install |> |>to but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are |> |>as/of the same date. |> |> |> | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to |> | neglect doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows |> | folder, as well as my email and my photos to another drive, but |> | that is all I have done since last December. Thus there is no |> | recent backup of "Program Files". On the other hand, since I dont |> | do much with the computer in summer, nothing much changed. By |> | looking at the dates of folders in Progrma Files, I found that I |> | had only installed three programs since the windows backup. One |> | was a real simple reminder program that does not even require an |> | installation because the download only contains an .EXE and a |> | Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were more |> | advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those |> | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup, |> | then I reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now, |> | except I had to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for |> | some reason that program told me I had old definition files when |> | in fact I just updated them a few days prior. My guess is that |> | was a registry entry. |> | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same |> | since I backed up windows. |> | |> | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and |> | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a |> | matter of copying them to the restored backup after installation. |> | I saved the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find |> | something else I need). |> |> Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if |> you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup |> Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad" |> Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was |> two files! |> |> | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were |> | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files |> | that I randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself. |> | They are deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up |> | which had been deleted. |> |> Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one |> restores a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future, |> you must use a cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- & |> backup/restore all folders together. |> |> |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll. |> |>I personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though. |> |>That is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good |> |>luck. |> | |> | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question |> | I have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the |> | BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I |> | looked on the web earlier and found lots of discussions, but no |> | one addressed what versions are needed and which version is which. |> | |> | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB |> | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB |> | I assume those are from IE 5.5. |> |> If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version |> 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab & |> IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab... |> |> BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes |> BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes |> |> So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said. |> |> | -------------------------- |> | |> | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have |> | |> | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB |> | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB |> | I assume this is the IE6 version. |> |> Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files. |> |> | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these |> | IE5.5 ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right? |> |> That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive |> deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS |> works fine no matter what version of those files one has! |> |> | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM |> | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two |> | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR? |> |> Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one |> does an over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted. |> Run quick, if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell |> reasons! Here is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)... |> |> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB |> Search "Version Conflict Manager"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact |> Phrase; comes up with four... |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98 |> Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98 |> (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager |> tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version |> Conflict Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after |> you install a program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version... |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98 |> Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool |> (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore |> the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 |> Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 |> files may be lost. |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98 |> List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit |> (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the |> Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98 |> Resource Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on |> the Windows 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors |> are... |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98 |> Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool |> (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System |> Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather |> information about your computer, to diagnose issues with your |> computer, or to access other tools that are included with Windows |> 98. This... |> |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup Rick Chauvin wrote: | "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message | news:39cgc4hjrfc32gqf68srm3aunbmb7amqp8@4ax.com |> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put |> finger to keyboard and composed: |> |>>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or |>>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have |>>discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of |>>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder |>>that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program |>>Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those |>>DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that way allows IE6 to use |>>its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if anything) will use the |>>IE5.5 .dll's. |> |> I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings |> reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous |> settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would |> have thought these settings were stored in the registry. | | It will most times revert to View as Web Page, etc, like that when you | change those dll's around. | | Anyway, I think the OP (letterman) got his situation solved? | ..allbeit the long way around. | | I did have a write up about this a while ago, and even give the dll's | needed; as Glen said though, this is old stuff and talked about more | times than we wanted to remember. I never bothered to take the | webpage down though so it's still active. | | http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm It's only 7:19 PM, Chauvin-- your post shows 7:48! For the others reading: IIRC, to run the IE Repair tool or an over-install of IE, one must switch those .dll's back first. | Rick | | |> |> - Franc Zabkar |> -- |> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:39cgc4hjrfc32gqf68srm3aunbmb7amqp8@4ax.com > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > >>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered >>for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & >>BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 >>(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". >>Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". >>Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else >>(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. > > I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings > reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous > settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would > have thought these settings were stored in the registry. It will most times revert to View as Web Page, etc, like that when you change those dll's around. Anyway, I think the OP (letterman) got his situation solved? ..allbeit the long way around. I did have a write up about this a while ago, and even give the dll's needed; as Glen said though, this is old stuff and talked about more times than we wanted to remember. I never bothered to take the webpage down though so it's still active. http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm Rick > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest FromTheRafters Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E5B807E0-0EA9-40AE-9623-1FD6FAD53957@microsoft.com... > Please Google Chris Quirke who is a most valuable Microsoft Professional > and > you will see he has the correct information. He also has opinions - as do we all. > His blog is most informative I actually followed you to this newsgroup because you led me to believe Chris posted here. I missed his sense of humor - and the depth and width of his knowledge. >and there is no true MS-DOS, maintenance operating system with the business > source code line of Microsoft products which are NT, 2000, XP and Vista > and > there is with the 9x source code line of products although it is limited > in > Windows ME. {Note: I have even confirmed this with Microsoft so it is a > fact.} Okay - - did they happen to mention what the limitations are in the Vista replacement for the recovery console? > "FromTheRafters" wrote: > >> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:366C6894-9050-4EE1-8D63-B9B646831819@microsoft.com... >> >> > I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its maintenance >> > operating >> > system because it is fun to work in a true text based environment and >> > not >> > just >> > a command.com prompt text based interface. >> >> Command.com *is* the MS-DOS user interface, especially >> since they dropped the GUI Dosshell.exe. >> >> >>
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:48:19 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote: >On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put >finger to keyboard and composed: > >>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered >>for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & >>BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 >>(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". >>Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". >>Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else >>(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. > >I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings >reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous >settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would >have thought these settings were stored in the registry. > >- Franc Zabkar This makes me wonder if ANYONE hasever used and enjoyed that "View as Web page" feature in Explorer? I hated it the first time I saw it, and still do. It reminds me of XP, and I find XP absolutely repulsive. I have never known one person that uses that View as Web Page setting. I wish it could be entirely removed.
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:48:30 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote: > > >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >news:39cgc4hjrfc32gqf68srm3aunbmb7amqp8@4ax.com >> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put >> finger to keyboard and composed: >> >>>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large files or >>>folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others have discovered >>>for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of BrowseLC.dll & >>>BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 >>>(IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". >>>Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". >>>Doing it that way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else >>>(if anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's. >> >> I can't understand why, but after doing this, my Explorer settings >> reverted to View as Web Page and with Large Icons. My previous >> settings were to not View as Web Page and to show Details. I would >> have thought these settings were stored in the registry. > >It will most times revert to View as Web Page, etc, like that when you >change those dll's around. > >Anyway, I think the OP (letterman) got his situation solved? ..allbeit the >long way around. > >I did have a write up about this a while ago, and even give the dll's >needed; as Glen said though, this is old stuff and talked about more times >than we wanted to remember. I never bothered to take the webpage down >though so it's still active. > >http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm > >Rick > I solved it by restoring an older backup, and not reinstalling IE6. I still want to play around with the screwed up installation and change these DLL files. By the way, I learned something from this. When you restore a backup, you can copy the desktop folder from your current version into the backup after it's renamed to desktop2 or something. That way you can copy new links and stuff to the actual desktop.
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