Guest ggalv Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG Anti-Virus. I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from the vault. If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know approximately how long would it take? THANKS.
Guest ggalv Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use my computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to doing a restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, then I feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that make sense? Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a way to scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? THANKS "peter" wrote: > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > Your Restore space must be huge.... > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is available???. > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it scan to see > if it > comes up with the same Trojan... > > peter > > -- > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG > > Anti-Virus. > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from > > the > > vault. > > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know > > approximately how long would it take? > > > > THANKS. >
Guest Mick Murphy Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. -- Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia "ggalv" wrote: > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use my > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to doing a > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, then I > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that make sense? > > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a way to > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? THANKS > > > "peter" wrote: > > > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > > Your Restore space must be huge.... > > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is available???. > > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it scan to see > > if it > > comes up with the same Trojan... > > > > peter > > > > -- > > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > > > > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, > > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG > > > Anti-Virus. > > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" > > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from > > > the > > > vault. > > > > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know > > > approximately how long would it take? > > > > > > THANKS. > >
Guest Unknown Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Never heard of a restore taking two hours. "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D3021F04-DF3C-406D-8286-1C9F9C37D1ED@microsoft.com... > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use my > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to doing a > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, then I > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that make > sense? > > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a way to > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? THANKS > > > "peter" wrote: > >> Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. >> Your Restore space must be huge.... >> Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is available???. >> Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it scan to >> see >> if it >> comes up with the same Trojan... >> >> peter >> >> -- >> DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me >> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. >> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to >> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) >> >> >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... >> > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August >> > 15, >> > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG >> > Anti-Virus. >> > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false >> > positve" >> > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file >> > from >> > the >> > vault. >> > >> > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know >> > approximately how long would it take? >> > >> > THANKS. >>
Guest Lem Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore ggalv wrote: > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use my > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to doing a > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, then I > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that make sense? > > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a way to > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? THANKS > > > "peter" wrote: > >> Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. >> Your Restore space must be huge.... >> Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is available???. >> Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it scan to see >> if it >> comes up with the same Trojan... >> >> peter >> >> -- >> DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me >> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. >> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to >> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) >> >> >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... >>> Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, >>> which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG >>> Anti-Virus. >>> I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" >>> and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from >>> the >>> vault. >>> >>> If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know >>> approximately how long would it take? >>> >>> THANKS. What is the actual name of the "infected" file? Why do you think it's a false positive or want to restore the file? Have you been experiencing any strange behavior since AVG "cleaned" this file? The simplest way to re-scan the file, either by an online scanner or another local a/v application is to just use AVG to restore it. As long as you don't actually let it *run*, it won't do anything to you just sitting there. You should also be able to point an online scanner at it even if it's in the AVG vault. Different a/v apps deal differently with "quarantining" infected files. Some put them in zip files and others rename them, keeping the actual name and path in some database. I don't know where AVG keeps its "vault". Try looking in "Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\AVG" or something similar. -- Lem -- MS-MVP To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
Guest ggalv Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed yet. Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would resolve some of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" instead of the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different names. Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some confusion with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is being used? Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. After my computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about an hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both times. Do you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS "Mick Murphy" wrote: > If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. > > -- > Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia > > > "ggalv" wrote: > > > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use my > > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to doing a > > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, then I > > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that make sense? > > > > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a way to > > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? THANKS > > > > > > "peter" wrote: > > > > > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > > > Your Restore space must be huge.... > > > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is available???. > > > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it scan to see > > > if it > > > comes up with the same Trojan... > > > > > > peter > > > > > > -- > > > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > > > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > > > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > > > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > > > > > > > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > > > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, > > > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG > > > > Anti-Virus. > > > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" > > > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from > > > > the > > > > vault. > > > > > > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you know > > > > approximately how long would it take? > > > > > > > > THANKS. > > >
Guest Daave Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Is the location C:\WINDOWS\system32 by any chance? Check the properties of these .dll files. Are the ones with the (2)s older files? If so, System Restore merely restored those old files. Since the newer versions of those files all have the original names, the newly restored older versions of these files get the (2)s added to their names (since they're in the same folder and you can't have identical file names in the same foder). I'm sure the older .dlls are safe to delete. But if I were you, I would just undo the System Restore(s) (which never should have been done in the first place) -- especially if you made significant changes (like installing programs or updates). "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CF53262F-2ED7-49DF-859C-8AE21B96C703@microsoft.com... >I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed >yet. > Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would > resolve some > of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" > instead of > the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. > > When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: > mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to > shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to > wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different > names. > Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some > confusion > with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is > being > used? > > Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. > After my > computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and > restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about > an > hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both > times. Do > you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS > > "Mick Murphy" wrote: > >> If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. >> >> -- >> Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia >> >> >> "ggalv" wrote: >> >> > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use >> > my >> > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to >> > doing a >> > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, >> > then I >> > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that >> > make sense? >> > >> > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a >> > way to >> > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? >> > THANKS >> > >> > >> > "peter" wrote: >> > >> > > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. >> > > Your Restore space must be huge.... >> > > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is >> > > available???. >> > > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it >> > > scan to see >> > > if it >> > > comes up with the same Trojan... >> > > >> > > peter >> > > >> > > -- >> > > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me >> > > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. >> > > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to >> > > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) >> > > >> > > >> > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... >> > > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to >> > > > August 15, >> > > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in >> > > > AVG >> > > > Anti-Virus. >> > > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a >> > > > "false positve" >> > > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the >> > > > file from >> > > > the >> > > > vault. >> > > > >> > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you >> > > > know >> > > > approximately how long would it take? >> > > > >> > > > THANKS. >> > >
Guest ggalv Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Yes, the files are in C:\Windows\system32. I checked all the files and yes the ones with (2) after them are older files. So you think I should undo the System Restore? How do I undo Both System Restores that I did today? THANKS "Daave" wrote: > Is the location C:\WINDOWS\system32 by any chance? > > Check the properties of these .dll files. Are the ones with the (2)s > older files? If so, System Restore merely restored those old files. > Since the newer versions of those files all have the original names, the > newly restored older versions of these files get the (2)s added to their > names (since they're in the same folder and you can't have identical > file names in the same foder). I'm sure the older .dlls are safe to > delete. > > But if I were you, I would just undo the System Restore(s) (which never > should have been done in the first place) -- especially if you made > significant changes (like installing programs or updates). > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:CF53262F-2ED7-49DF-859C-8AE21B96C703@microsoft.com... > >I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed > >yet. > > Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would > > resolve some > > of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" > > instead of > > the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. > > > > When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: > > mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to > > shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to > > wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different > > names. > > Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some > > confusion > > with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is > > being > > used? > > > > Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. > > After my > > computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and > > restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about > > an > > hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both > > times. Do > > you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS > > > > "Mick Murphy" wrote: > > > >> If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. > >> > >> -- > >> Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia > >> > >> > >> "ggalv" wrote: > >> > >> > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use > >> > my > >> > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to > >> > doing a > >> > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, > >> > then I > >> > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that > >> > make sense? > >> > > >> > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a > >> > way to > >> > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? > >> > THANKS > >> > > >> > > >> > "peter" wrote: > >> > > >> > > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > >> > > Your Restore space must be huge.... > >> > > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is > >> > > available???. > >> > > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it > >> > > scan to see > >> > > if it > >> > > comes up with the same Trojan... > >> > > > >> > > peter > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > >> > > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > >> > > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > >> > > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > >> > > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to > >> > > > August 15, > >> > > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in > >> > > > AVG > >> > > > Anti-Virus. > >> > > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a > >> > > > "false positve" > >> > > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the > >> > > > file from > >> > > > the > >> > > > vault. > >> > > > > >> > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you > >> > > > know > >> > > > approximately how long would it take? > >> > > > > >> > > > THANKS. > >> > > > > >
Guest ggalv Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and the the system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed at 5:55 yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the first system Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) that was not an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I performed today. So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice to August 11th. However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up. It said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to Restart System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And The computer seems to be working fine. Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of September is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to August - It does not go back). Do you know why did I get the "Restoration Incomplete"? Should I try Restore to September 05, 2008 (Which was the day before I did the two system restores to August 11th, BUT I got a "Restoration Incomplete" already? Really Appreciate Your Help. "Daave" wrote: > Is the location C:\WINDOWS\system32 by any chance? > > Check the properties of these .dll files. Are the ones with the (2)s > older files? If so, System Restore merely restored those old files. > Since the newer versions of those files all have the original names, the > newly restored older versions of these files get the (2)s added to their > names (since they're in the same folder and you can't have identical > file names in the same foder). I'm sure the older .dlls are safe to > delete. > > But if I were you, I would just undo the System Restore(s) (which never > should have been done in the first place) -- especially if you made > significant changes (like installing programs or updates). > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:CF53262F-2ED7-49DF-859C-8AE21B96C703@microsoft.com... > >I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed > >yet. > > Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would > > resolve some > > of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" > > instead of > > the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. > > > > When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: > > mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to > > shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to > > wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different > > names. > > Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some > > confusion > > with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is > > being > > used? > > > > Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. > > After my > > computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and > > restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about > > an > > hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both > > times. Do > > you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS > > > > "Mick Murphy" wrote: > > > >> If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. > >> > >> -- > >> Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia > >> > >> > >> "ggalv" wrote: > >> > >> > Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use > >> > my > >> > computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to > >> > doing a > >> > restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, > >> > then I > >> > feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that > >> > make sense? > >> > > >> > Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a > >> > way to > >> > scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? > >> > THANKS > >> > > >> > > >> > "peter" wrote: > >> > > >> > > Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > >> > > Your Restore space must be huge.... > >> > > Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is > >> > > available???. > >> > > Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it > >> > > scan to see > >> > > if it > >> > > comes up with the same Trojan... > >> > > > >> > > peter > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > >> > > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > >> > > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > >> > > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > >> > > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to > >> > > > August 15, > >> > > > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in > >> > > > AVG > >> > > > Anti-Virus. > >> > > > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a > >> > > > "false positve" > >> > > > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the > >> > > > file from > >> > > > the > >> > > > vault. > >> > > > > >> > > > If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you > >> > > > know > >> > > > approximately how long would it take? > >> > > > > >> > > > THANKS. > >> > > > > >
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore [Please stop beginning new thread about your problems!] Your machine is still infected! System Restore won't fix the problem, even if it were working. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ ggalv wrote: > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and the the > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed at > 5:55 > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the first > system > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) that was > not > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I > performed > today. > > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice to > August > 11th. > > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up. It > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to > Restart > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And The > computer seems to be working fine. > > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of > September > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to August - It > does not go back). > > Do you know why did I get the "Restoration Incomplete"? Should I try > Restore to September 05, 2008 (Which was the day before I did the two > system > restores to August 11th, BUT I got a "Restoration Incomplete" already? > > Really Appreciate Your Help. > > > "Daave" wrote: > >> Is the location C:\WINDOWS\system32 by any chance? >> >> Check the properties of these .dll files. Are the ones with the (2)s >> older files? If so, System Restore merely restored those old files. >> Since the newer versions of those files all have the original names, the >> newly restored older versions of these files get the (2)s added to their >> names (since they're in the same folder and you can't have identical >> file names in the same foder). I'm sure the older .dlls are safe to >> delete. >> >> But if I were you, I would just undo the System Restore(s) (which never >> should have been done in the first place) -- especially if you made >> significant changes (like installing programs or updates). >> >> >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:CF53262F-2ED7-49DF-859C-8AE21B96C703@microsoft.com... >>> I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed >>> yet. >>> Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would >>> resolve some >>> of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" >>> instead of >>> the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. >>> >>> When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: >>> mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to >>> shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to >>> wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different >>> names. >>> Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some >>> confusion >>> with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is >>> being >>> used? >>> >>> Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. >>> After my >>> computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and >>> restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about >>> an >>> hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both >>> times. Do >>> you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS >>> >>> "Mick Murphy" wrote: >>> >>>> If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> "ggalv" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use >>>>> my >>>>> computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to >>>>> doing a >>>>> restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, >>>>> then I >>>>> feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that >>>>> make sense? >>>>> >>>>> Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a >>>>> way to >>>>> scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? >>>>> THANKS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "peter" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. >>>>>> Your Restore space must be huge.... >>>>>> Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is >>>>>> available???. >>>>>> Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it >>>>>> scan to see >>>>>> if it >>>>>> comes up with the same Trojan... >>>>>> >>>>>> peter >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me >>>>>> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. >>>>>> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to >>>>>> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to >>>>>>> August 15, >>>>>>> which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in >>>>>>> AVG >>>>>>> Anti-Virus. >>>>>>> I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a >>>>>>> "false positve" >>>>>>> and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the >>>>>>> file from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> vault. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> approximately how long would it take? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> THANKS.
Guest ggalv Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore This System Restore question is for what happened in my "other" computer. I don't think its right to say that my system is infected. One of my systems did hav the Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC - But it was a false positive. I am just trying my best to work with what I see and some support from you guys. I am not trying to inconenience anyone. I really appreciate getting advice from you guys. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > [Please stop beginning new thread about your problems!] > > Your machine is still infected! System Restore won't fix the problem, even > if it were working. > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > > ggalv wrote: > > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and the the > > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed at > > 5:55 > > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the first > > system > > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) that was > > not > > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I > > performed > > today. > > > > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System > > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice to > > August > > 11th. > > > > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up. It > > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. > > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to > > Restart > > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And The > > computer seems to be working fine. > > > > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of > > September > > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to August - It > > does not go back). > > > > Do you know why did I get the "Restoration Incomplete"? Should I try > > Restore to September 05, 2008 (Which was the day before I did the two > > system > > restores to August 11th, BUT I got a "Restoration Incomplete" already? > > > > Really Appreciate Your Help. > > > > > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> Is the location C:\WINDOWS\system32 by any chance? > >> > >> Check the properties of these .dll files. Are the ones with the (2)s > >> older files? If so, System Restore merely restored those old files. > >> Since the newer versions of those files all have the original names, the > >> newly restored older versions of these files get the (2)s added to their > >> names (since they're in the same folder and you can't have identical > >> file names in the same foder). I'm sure the older .dlls are safe to > >> delete. > >> > >> But if I were you, I would just undo the System Restore(s) (which never > >> should have been done in the first place) -- especially if you made > >> significant changes (like installing programs or updates). > >> > >> > >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:CF53262F-2ED7-49DF-859C-8AE21B96C703@microsoft.com... > >>> I did a restore on my other xp system, which did not have sp3 installed > >>> yet. > >>> Basically I was trying to see if going back to August 11th would > >>> resolve some > >>> of my advertisements showing the "The Page Cannot Be Displayed" > >>> instead of > >>> the advertisement being displayed - BUT that is another story. > >>> > >>> When I did the restore it renamed and also kept the origiinal files: > >>> mscms.dll to mscms(2).dll, es.dll to es(2).dll, shlwapi.dll to > >>> shlwapi(2).dll, urlmon.dll to urlmon(2).dll and wininet.dll to > >>> wininet(2).dll. So basically I have two files of each with different > >>> names. > >>> Do you know why would the files be renamed? Wouldn't there be some > >>> confusion > >>> with having for example mscms.dll and mscms(2).dll files? Which one is > >>> being > >>> used? > >>> > >>> Also, I did a restore to August 11th, this took about 25 minutes. > >>> After my > >>> computer was restored I though I would turn off my other computer and > >>> restored the computer again to August 11th BUT this time it took about > >>> an > >>> hour and twenty minutes. The computer was sucesfully restored both > >>> times. Do > >>> you know why would the second restore take much longer? THANKS > >>> > >>> "Mick Murphy" wrote: > >>> > >>>> If you do a System Restore to pre-SP3, SP3 will be removed. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Mick Murphy - Qld (Sunshine State) - Australia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "ggalv" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yes, that restore point is available. Actually, I really didn't use > >>>>> my > >>>>> computer for about two weeks or so. I am a little hesitant to > >>>>> doing a > >>>>> restore to that date because if takes something like 2 hours or so, > >>>>> then I > >>>>> feel there is the possibility of something going wrong. Does that > >>>>> make sense? > >>>>> > >>>>> Right now that "knlwrap.exe" its in the Vault of AVG. Is there a > >>>>> way to > >>>>> scan it with an online anti virus software while in the Vault? > >>>>> THANKS > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> "peter" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Considering that today is Sept 5....that would be 21 days back. > >>>>>> Your Restore space must be huge.... > >>>>>> Have you actually checked to see if that restore point is > >>>>>> available???. > >>>>>> Find an online Virus scanner from a reputable company and let it > >>>>>> scan to see > >>>>>> if it > >>>>>> comes up with the same Trojan... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> peter > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me > >>>>>> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. > >>>>>> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to > >>>>>> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:C75163C5-0E8A-4C57-BC2C-800527DCA050@microsoft.com... > >>>>>>> Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to > >>>>>>> August 15, > >>>>>>> which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in > >>>>>>> AVG > >>>>>>> Anti-Virus. > >>>>>>> I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a > >>>>>>> "false positve" > >>>>>>> and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the > >>>>>>> file from > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> vault. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I do a system restore to August 15 (which is pre SP3) do you > >>>>>>> know > >>>>>>> approximately how long would it take? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> THANKS. > >
Guest Daave Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EB00240F-07EB-4D77-AD70-87C15BDBC9D0@microsoft.com... > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and the > the > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed at > 5:55 > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the first > system > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) that > was not > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I > performed > today. > > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice to > August > 11th. If you had successfully restoed Windows back to how it was September 6. you really should have just left it alone. But instead you tried to go *backwards* to September 5! Just leave well enough alone! > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up. > It > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, > 2008. > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to > Restart > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And The > computer seems to be working fine. Good. Leave it that way! > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of > September > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to August - > It > does not go back). Don't worry about it.
Guest ggalv Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore I just want to say that I really appreciate your time and advice. Yesterday (September 6th) I did two restorations to August 11th, and I was trying to undo both. The first one I did it by doing the Undo Last Restoration. The Undo Last Restoration is not available for the other one, so that is why I tried to Restore to September 5th - I thought by doing that it would serve the same purpose as undoing my two restores to August 11th. My main concer is if I should try once more to restore my system to Sep 5th (which was before I restored my computer to August 11th twice) OR If I should keep what I have right now (which I did an "Undo Last Restoration" of one of the Restores to August 11th BUT There was an "Restoration Incomplete" when I tried to restore to September 5th AND I got the following message "the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. No Changes Have Been Made To Your System"). Should I assume in my current state my system is stable because "No Changes were Made To My System" BUT "The Restoration Was Incomplete" kind of bugs me. Thanks for your help. "Daave" wrote: > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:EB00240F-07EB-4D77-AD70-87C15BDBC9D0@microsoft.com... > > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and the > > the > > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed at > > 5:55 > > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the first > > system > > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) that > > was not > > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I > > performed > > today. > > > > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System > > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice to > > August > > 11th. > > If you had successfully restoed Windows back to how it was September 6. > you really should have just left it alone. But instead you tried to go > *backwards* to September 5! > > Just leave well enough alone! > > > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up. > > It > > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, > > 2008. > > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to > > Restart > > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And The > > computer seems to be working fine. > > Good. Leave it that way! > > > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of > > September > > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to August - > > It > > does not go back). > > Don't worry about it. > > >
Guest Daave Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Once more... Although you had restored Windows back to August 11 *for no good reason*, at least you have *successfully* restored Windows back to where it was yesterday (September 6). Don't do anything else. (There is *no logical reason* to go back earlier -- even to the 5th.) And stop worrying about it! "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D05E13F3-0429-4233-A489-2C7F38C08096@microsoft.com... >I just want to say that I really appreciate your time and advice. > > Yesterday (September 6th) I did two restorations to August 11th, and I > was > trying to undo both. The first one I did it by doing the Undo Last > Restoration. The Undo Last Restoration is not available for the other > one, > so that is why I tried to Restore to September 5th - I thought by > doing that > it would serve the same purpose as undoing my two restores to August > 11th. > > My main concer is if I should try once more to restore my system to > Sep 5th > (which was before I restored my computer to August 11th twice) OR If I > should > keep what I have right now (which I did an "Undo Last Restoration" of > one of > the Restores to August 11th BUT There was an "Restoration Incomplete" > when I > tried to restore to September 5th AND I got the following message "the > computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. No Changes > Have > Been Made To Your System"). Should I assume in my current state my > system is > stable because "No Changes were Made To My System" BUT "The > Restoration Was > Incomplete" kind of bugs me. > > Thanks for your help. > > > "Daave" wrote: > >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:EB00240F-07EB-4D77-AD70-87C15BDBC9D0@microsoft.com... >> > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and >> > the >> > the >> > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed >> > at >> > 5:55 >> > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the >> > first >> > system >> > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) >> > that >> > was not >> > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I >> > performed >> > today. >> > >> > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System >> > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice >> > to >> > August >> > 11th. >> >> If you had successfully restoed Windows back to how it was September >> 6. >> you really should have just left it alone. But instead you tried to >> go >> *backwards* to September 5! >> >> Just leave well enough alone! >> >> > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted >> > up. >> > It >> > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, >> > 2008. >> > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to >> > Restart >> > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And >> > The >> > computer seems to be working fine. >> >> Good. Leave it that way! >> >> > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of >> > September >> > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to >> > August - >> > It >> > does not go back). >> >> Don't worry about it. >> >> >>
Guest ggalv Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore Daave, PROMISE these will be my last questions for this topic, I just want to get some clarification and knowledge. And promise I will not be worry about this anymore. 1. Yesterday, I did a Restoration at 5:15 to August 11th, I then did another restoration at 5:55 to August 11th again. Today, I did an "Undo my last restoration". So my system is restored to how it was before 5:15 - meaning that my system is currently similiar to August 11th, instead of yesterday (Sep 6th). 2. In Sept 06, my system restore has the following: 5:55 PM Restore Operation and then 5:15 PM Restore Operation. If I wanted to undo both Restorations that I did yesterday, I should have "Restored my computer to an earlier time" and selected 5:15 PM Restore Operation. Is that right? Does the computer get restored to before the 5:15 Restore Operation occured or after? 3. When I go the "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted up, it said that No Changes Have Been Made To Your System"). Howver, during the Restore Process (which took about 1 hour), I am sure files were being renamed, copied, moved etc. So is my system the same as it was prior to the Restoration Attemp - meaning nothing was modifed and all that stuff that was going on for about an hour never really happened? THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP. "Daave" wrote: > Once more... > > Although you had restored Windows back to August 11 *for no good > reason*, at least you have *successfully* restored Windows back to where > it was yesterday (September 6). > > Don't do anything else. (There is *no logical reason* to go back > earlier -- even to the 5th.) > > And stop worrying about it! > > > > "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D05E13F3-0429-4233-A489-2C7F38C08096@microsoft.com... > >I just want to say that I really appreciate your time and advice. > > > > Yesterday (September 6th) I did two restorations to August 11th, and I > > was > > trying to undo both. The first one I did it by doing the Undo Last > > Restoration. The Undo Last Restoration is not available for the other > > one, > > so that is why I tried to Restore to September 5th - I thought by > > doing that > > it would serve the same purpose as undoing my two restores to August > > 11th. > > > > My main concer is if I should try once more to restore my system to > > Sep 5th > > (which was before I restored my computer to August 11th twice) OR If I > > should > > keep what I have right now (which I did an "Undo Last Restoration" of > > one of > > the Restores to August 11th BUT There was an "Restoration Incomplete" > > when I > > tried to restore to September 5th AND I got the following message "the > > computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, 2008. No Changes > > Have > > Been Made To Your System"). Should I assume in my current state my > > system is > > stable because "No Changes were Made To My System" BUT "The > > Restoration Was > > Incomplete" kind of bugs me. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> "ggalv" <ggalv@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:EB00240F-07EB-4D77-AD70-87C15BDBC9D0@microsoft.com... > >> > Today - In system restore, I went to "Undo Last Restoration" and > >> > the > >> > the > >> > system successfully reversed the Restore Operation that I performed > >> > at > >> > 5:55 > >> > yesterday (which was to August 11th). Then I tried to undo the > >> > first > >> > system > >> > Restore that I did at 5:15 yesterday (which was to August 11th) > >> > that > >> > was not > >> > an option. The only avaialable Restoration to Undo was the one I > >> > performed > >> > today. > >> > > >> > So, I tried to Restore my Computer To September 05, 2008 - System > >> > Checkpoint, which was the day before I restored my computer twice > >> > to > >> > August > >> > 11th. > >> > >> If you had successfully restoed Windows back to how it was September > >> 6. > >> you really should have just left it alone. But instead you tried to > >> go > >> *backwards* to September 5! > >> > >> Just leave well enough alone! > >> > >> > However I got a "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted > >> > up. > >> > It > >> > said that the computer cannot be restored to Friday, September 05, > >> > 2008. > >> > That No Changes Have Been Made To Your System. I had the option to > >> > Restart > >> > System Restore by Pressing "Home". But I just pressed "OK" - And > >> > The > >> > computer seems to be working fine. > >> > >> Good. Leave it that way! > >> > >> > Also I noticed that when I go to System Restore, only the month of > >> > September > >> > is Available for restoration points (when I try to go back to > >> > August - > >> > It > >> > does not go back). > >> > >> Don't worry about it. > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest Daave Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore ggalv wrote: > Daave, PROMISE these will be my last questions for this topic, I just > want to get some clarification and knowledge. And promise I will not > be worry about this anymore. > > 1. Yesterday, I did a Restoration at 5:15 to August 11th, I then did > another restoration at 5:55 to August 11th again. Today, I did an > "Undo my last restoration". So my system is restored to how it was > before 5:15 - meaning that my system is currently similiar to August > 11th, instead of yesterday (Sep 6th). > > 2. In Sept 06, my system restore has the following: 5:55 PM Restore > Operation and then 5:15 PM Restore Operation. If I wanted to undo > both Restorations that I did yesterday, I should have "Restored my > computer to an earlier time" and selected 5:15 PM Restore Operation. > Is that right? Does the computer get restored to before the 5:15 > Restore Operation occured or after? > > 3. When I go the "Restoration Incomplete" when the computer booted > up, it said that No Changes Have Been Made To Your System"). Howver, > during the Restore Process (which took about 1 hour), I am sure files > were being renamed, copied, moved etc. So is my system the same as > it was prior to the Restoration Attemp - meaning nothing was modifed > and all that stuff that was going on for about an hour never really > happened? Since I can't see your PC, there is no way of knowing for sure. But it sounds like you are back to that point. > THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP. YW. (Now stop worrying!)
Guest Plato Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore =?Utf-8?B?Z2dhbHY=?= wrote: > > Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August 15, > which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG Anti-Virus. > I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false positve" > and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file from the > vault. Personally, I never save any "virus/trojan" to a "vault". Why save a nasty??? -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest Daave Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Windows XP System Restore "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message news:48c6063a$0$9722$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > =?Utf-8?B?Z2dhbHY=?= wrote: >> >> Right now, I am thinking of "maybe" doing a system restore to August >> 15, >> which is before I got this: Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC in AVG >> Anti-Virus. >> I have been doing some research and I am not sure if its a "false >> positve" >> and restore the file OR if its an actual virus and delelte the file >> from the >> vault. > > Personally, I never save any "virus/trojan" to a "vault". Why save a > nasty??? You're assuming that *every* file that is identified as a trojan *is* a trojan. That is a faulty assumption. If you have been following ggalv's other thread, you would have seen that it has been confirmed that the file he is referring to -- knlwrap.exe -- is *not* Trojan Horse Dropper.Agent.JOC, even though AVG initially identified it as such. It was a false positive. Saving this file to AVG's vault was the wise thing to do. If ggalv ever needs this program, it will not have been deleted.
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