Guest jj mac Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : Intel Pentium 120 Mhz 40MB RAM 1MB PCI Graphics Card 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. 1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on another Computer and it is OK. 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs ScanDisk. Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have worsened , The Computer is now virtually unusable. I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume that they would have no bearing on the problems. I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its drivers appeared not to have installed properly. I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to try and establish their cause. Thank you -- JJ MacA
Guest Leroy Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues jj mac wrote: > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > 40MB RAM > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a > mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > another Computer and it is OK. > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > ScanDisk. > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have > worsened , > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to > try and establish their cause. > Thank you > How To Recycle a Computer http://www.howtodothings.com/business/a3624-how-to-recycle-a-computer.html
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:14 -0700, jj mac <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > >Intel Pentium 120 Mhz >40MB RAM >1MB PCI Graphics Card >2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 >Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. >5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed >Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > >This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > >1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a >mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached >to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on >another Computer and it is OK. > >2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or >three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do >is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs >ScanDisk. > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems >I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now >realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 >has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I >have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have >worsened , > The Computer is now virtually unusable. >I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume >that they would have no bearing on the problems. > >I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a >wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the >internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add >a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > >The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it >to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass >Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card >could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I >remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would >have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof >possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. >After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its >drivers appeared not to have installed properly. >I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, >there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to >try and establish their cause. >Thank you This is just a possible guess....... I had an old computer that would freeze often (with win98se). I tried everything with the software to fix it, and nothing solved it. One day the computer just died. I found out the power supply was dead. After I replaced the power supply, I never had the freezeup problems again. Before the PS totally died, I had measured the voltages and found them to be low. I just thought the test meter was a little "off". Now I know better. Check your PS voltages, or just try another PS. The capacitors in those old PSs tend to get weak. Of course your motherboard caps could also be getting bad. Just a thought..... I'd also add some Ram to that puter. You must have a 32 and an 8 meg stick. I'd at least replace that 8 with another 32 or a 64. That old ram is sold for pennies these days. You could also have bad ram too, so change it and see if that helps. Since you already installed Windows, and still had the problems, it sounds to me like you have hardware problems. PS. Look at the caps on the MB, the large ones near where the power supply plugs to the MB. Are any of them domed (rounded) on the top? Is there any crud (leakage) next to them? There's a website that shows pics of bad caps. I did not bookmark it, but maybe someone else knows the URL.
Guest philo Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > 40MB RAM > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not detect a > mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless mouse (attached > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > another Computer and it is OK. > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > ScanDisk. > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have > worsened , > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to > try and establish their cause. > Thank you > As to the serial mouse not working, check your bios settings to make sure that port is enabled... you may want to set it to "auto". or: If the machine has a ps/2 port, just use a ps/2 mouse. As to the machine locking up... It could be a lot of things...but I generally suggest running a RAM test first as H/W problems can often cause a "lockup" Lockups are also caused by overheating... but a P-120 generally does not require too much cooling... With a large enough heatsink...a fan is not necessarily required... but I'd have a look to make sure the heatsink is properly secured... A p-120 without a heat sink at all, will overheat
Guest glee Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Has a serial mouse *ever* worked on this computer? Pinouts on the motherboard for serial ports varied, and I have seen boards of that period whose serial port cable did not match the pinouts on the motherboard, and the port simply would not work as a result. That motherboard supports a PS/2 mouse....it should have a PS/2 mouse header on the motherboard, although you may not have a PS/2 mouse port connector on the case, and would need to add one: Physical Installation Procedures - PS/2 Mouse Port Connector http://www.pcguide.com/proc/physinst/ps2.htm A lot of things could cause the freeze problem. Power supply, RAM, bad caps on the mobo (as mentioned in other replies already). Another possibility is a failing hard drive. Does Scandisk ever find anything wrong? Try the procedure here: Testing a Suspect Hard Drive: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30382 I am partial to SeaTools for DOS (NOT SeaTools for Windows): http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools <canned> If a failing hard drive is suspected, it can be tested by running the diagnostics from the hard drive manufacturer's web site. Prior to any testing, a backup of your important data should be made immediately....if the drive is in fact failing, it could fail at any time. If you don't know what brand the drive is, you can download the limited-use free edition of OnTrack Data Advisor from this location: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/data-recovery-downloads/#dataadvisor Click the download link on that page for Data Advisor Trial Edition in your language, to download the diskette creator file. The downloads are diskette creators. They are to be run once from a working Windows system and will guide you through the process of extracting the Data Advisor onto a 3.5" floppy disk. Download and Use Instructions: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/hard-drive-software/dataadvisor-download.aspx An older version of SeaTools, for creating a bootable floppy disk or for creating a bootable CD if you don't have a floppy drive, is here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2858.html Sea Tools contains both a Seagate-specific diagnostic and a Generic test that will run on all brands of drives. Hard Drive Diagnostic Programs by Vendor: OnTrack Data Advisor: http://www.ontrack.com/freesoftware/#dataadvisor IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test: http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tools: http://support.wdc.com/download/ Quantum/Maxtor PowerMax: http://www.majorgeeks.com/Maxtor_Powermax_d1386.html Seagate SeaTools for DOS: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools </canned> -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > 40MB RAM > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a > mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > another Computer and it is OK. > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > ScanDisk. > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have > worsened , > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to > try and establish their cause. > Thank you > > -- > JJ MacA
Guest Buffalo Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues jj mac wrote: > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > 40MB RAM > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not > detect a mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless > mouse (attached to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able > to overcome that problem but the Serial Port fault remains. I have > checked the serial mouse on another Computer and it is OK. > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two > or three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all > I can do is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the > computer runs ScanDisk. > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > problems I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its > original CD. I now realise that by doing so I have lost all of the > Win98 updates and IE ver.5 has been installed. As a result the mouse > problem remains, and although I have not reloaded any programs after > the reformat , the Computer freezes have worsened , > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > assume that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer > and a wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not > connected to the internet at present. If I can resolve these issues > I would then hope to add a Broadband connection from my router using > a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > card. I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk > but to get it to work properly I had to download and install an > additional Win 98 Mass Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working > perfectly. I suppose the card could be causing a conflict but if > so it was not immediately apparent. If I remove the card to check > out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would have no control > of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof possibly > caused by the mouse /com port fault. > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > problems, there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I > should carry out to try and establish their cause. > Thank you One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit functioning). The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:14 -0700, jj mac <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > >Intel Pentium 120 Mhz >40MB RAM >1MB PCI Graphics Card >2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 >Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. >5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed >Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > >This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > >1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a >mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached >to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on >another Computer and it is OK. Make sure the COM port is enabled in your BIOS setup. (Did you recently replace your CMOS battery?) I have written the following DOS program to test real COM ports: http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/comstest.exe Use a wire or paperclip to connect any output pin to any input pin. The corresponding connection should flash on your screen. This page shows the pinout of a serial port and describes how a serial mouse works: http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml You need to test pins 2,3,4 and 7. >2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or >three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do >is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs >ScanDisk. Check that the power supply and CPU fans are spinning. Clean out any dust. Remove and reseat all cards and memory modules. Disconnect and reconnect all cables. Check motherboard capacitors for bulging or leaking. Run MEMTEST for several hours to test your RAM: http://www.memtest.org/ Run the hard disc manufacturer's diagnostic tests. Measure the power supply voltages: http://pinouts.ru/Power/MotherboardPower_pinout.shtml (old AT) http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml (ATX) - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest letterman@invalid.com Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:49:23 -0600, "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote: >One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their >contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often >ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have Clean the contacts on the Ram strips. Just use a standard pencil eraser on them. Old contacts on Ram as well as cards tend to get a oxidized. Clean contacts on cards too. >it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. >This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. >Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is >totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit >functioning). >The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or >perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the >BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct. You can also try a serial mouse in a serial port if the PS2 plug is not working. You can buy adaptors for them too, from PS2 to Serial.
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Letterman Many thanks for sharing your experience with me and your useful suggestions.. I recall checking the 5 volt line about 2 months ago and it was spot on but that was before this trouble started. I intend to recheck both the 5 volt line and the 12 volt line within the next few days. I am not too sure at present at what points in the circuit I should check these voltages. If any of the capacitors are leaking I suppose it is possible that the voltage could measure OK but a faulty smoothing capacitor could cause a ripple on the DC lines which could cause the RAM to fault. I have had a quick look around on the motherboard & the only capacitors I could see were small ones about 5mm dia & 10mm tall. No sign of any bulging or leakage. I am somewhat hampered by the lack of a manual for this Computer. I purchased it 10 years ago in a Computer shop where it was cobbled together using a mixture of parts and by todays standard I paid plenty for it.. It has a Samsung monitor but that is not the name of the computer. It has none. A few years after I purchased it I added a second hard Disk and a CD writer. It had only 16MB of Ram at purchase which I increased to 40MB. The computer has 4 RAM slots which were fully populated. I removed the modules from 2 slots and replaced them with 2no.16MB modules thus increasing the total RAM to 40MB.. I still have the two strips that I removed but the markings do not indicate either the speed or their size. I presume they must have been 4 MB each.. I think that it is SDRAM that is fitted with a speed of PC100. I do see the RAM as a prime suspect and I was intending to replace all 4 module strips with a single Kingstone 256MB SDRAM PC 133 strip. However, on the internet I came across a reference to a problem if you “add more than 64MB of Ram to a system that does not support caching of more than 64 MB of system memory eg. The Intel Triton i430FX based motherboards completely disable the onboard L2 Cache when more than 64MB of RAM is installed, causing major performance degradation” It so happens that my motherboard is Intel Triton i450FX based. This is where I get out of my depth. I don’t know if my computer has any Cache installed. I cannot find any specific reference to it in “System information”. As mentioned, I do not have a manual but I did get a receipt which gave a very brief description of the Computer which says that it has “Pipeline Burst Cache” System Information” shows that at present there is 94% of system resources free, That it has a “Windows managed swap file on drive C (3878 MB free)” 3878 mb is in fact the amount of free space at present on Drive C.. Would I be correct in assuming that the “Pipeline burst Cache” makes available the entire free disk space for cache, that it replaces the L2 Cache and that there should be no reason against installing 256MB of Ram or at least 128MB.? P/S I have just now checked in SETUP that the COM1 port, to which the serial mouse is attached was enabled. Both on board Serial Ports (Com1 & Com2) are enabled. I then booted up the computer (using the wireless mouse connected through a USB port) in order to check the Com1 Port address in device manager. It was 03F8.. I made no alterations in SETUP or in Device Manager. I shut down & restarted the computer and could you believe it the Serial mouse was working. The mouse was only loosely attached to the Computer. I tightened it up firmly which did not stop the mouse from working but some ten minutes later when I next restarted the Computer the mouse was not detected. It would appear that the mouse would work if windows could detect it.. I worked with the Computer for about half an hour when the serial mouse was working. During that time the Computer froze only once. I still intend to replace the RAM & hope that that will cure the freezing problem. Many thanks for your help. -- JJ MacA "letterman@invalid.com" wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:49:23 -0600, "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> > wrote: > > >One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their > >contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often > >ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have > > Clean the contacts on the Ram strips. Just use a standard pencil > eraser on them. Old contacts on Ram as well as cards tend to get a > oxidized. Clean contacts on cards too. > > >it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. > >This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. > >Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is > >totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit > >functioning). > >The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or > >perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the > >BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct. > > You can also try a serial mouse in a serial port if the PS2 plug is > not working. You can buy adaptors for them too, from PS2 to Serial. >
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Yes But sure I enjoy tinkering with old Computers. I have an assortment of them along with a couple of modern ones. Can't understand how they work though. -- JJ MacA "Leroy" wrote: > jj mac wrote: > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > 40MB RAM > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a > > mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached > > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > > another Computer and it is OK. > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > > ScanDisk. > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems > > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now > > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have > > worsened , > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume > > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a > > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the > > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add > > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it > > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card > > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I > > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would > > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, > > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to > > try and establish their cause. > > Thank you > > > > > How To Recycle a Computer > http://www.howtodothings.com/business/a3624-how-to-recycle-a-computer.html >
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thanks Philo I have checked the BIOS settings. The serial port to which the mouse is attached is enabled and set to auto' I don't have a PS/2 port on that Computer but I can use a wireless mouse through a USB port. The mouse problem is secondary to the Lockups other than the two problems may be related. I suspect that RAM faults may be causing the lockups. I intend to reseat the existing Ram strips but if that does not work I will replace it. I don't think that overheating is responsible. I have left the computer running (idle) for over 4 hours and it did not lockup. Its only when I start working with programs that it locksup frequently Thanks for your help.-- JJ MacA "philo" wrote: > > "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > 40MB RAM > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not detect a > > mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless mouse > (attached > > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that > problem > > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > > another Computer and it is OK. > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can > do > > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > > ScanDisk. > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > problems > > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I > now > > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes > have > > worsened , > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > assume > > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and > a > > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to > the > > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to > add > > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > card. > > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get > it > > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the > card > > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If > I > > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I > would > > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > problems, > > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out > to > > try and establish their cause. > > Thank you > > > > > As to the serial mouse not working, check your bios settings > to make sure that port is enabled... > you may want to set it to "auto". or: > If the machine has a ps/2 port, just use a ps/2 mouse. > > As to the machine locking up... > It could be a lot of things...but I generally suggest running a RAM test > first > as H/W problems can often cause a "lockup" > > Lockups are also caused by overheating... > but a P-120 generally does not require too much cooling... > With a large enough heatsink...a fan is not necessarily required... > but I'd have a look to make sure the heatsink is properly secured... > A p-120 without a heat sink at all, will overheat > > >
Guest MEB Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:7AE30F83-AA7E-4793-9B3E-5BFC54870CB3@microsoft.com... | Letterman | Many thanks for sharing your experience with me and your useful | suggestions.. I recall checking the 5 volt line about 2 months ago and it | was spot on but that was before this trouble started. I intend to recheck | both the 5 volt line and the 12 volt line within the next few days. I am | not too sure at present at what points in the circuit I should check these | voltages. If any of the capacitors are leaking I suppose it is possible that | the voltage could measure OK but a faulty smoothing capacitor could cause a | ripple on the DC lines which could cause the RAM to fault. I have had a | quick look around on the motherboard & the only capacitors I could see were | small ones about 5mm dia & 10mm tall. No sign of any bulging or leakage. | I am somewhat hampered by the lack of a manual for this Computer. I | purchased it 10 years ago in a Computer shop where it was cobbled together | using a mixture of parts and by todays standard I paid plenty for it.. It | has a Samsung monitor but that is not the name of the computer. It has none. | A few years after I purchased it I added a second hard Disk and a CD writer. | It had only 16MB of Ram at purchase which I increased to 40MB. The computer | has 4 RAM slots which were fully populated. I removed the modules from 2 | slots and replaced them with 2no.16MB modules thus increasing the total RAM | to 40MB.. I still have the two strips that I removed but the markings do not | indicate either the speed or their size. I presume they must have been 4 MB | each.. I think that it is SDRAM that is fitted with a speed of PC100. | I do see the RAM as a prime suspect and I was intending to replace all 4 | module strips with a single Kingstone 256MB SDRAM PC 133 strip. However, on | the internet I came across a reference to a problem if you "add more than | 64MB of Ram to a system that does not support caching of more than 64 MB of | system memory eg. The Intel Triton i430FX based motherboards completely | disable the onboard L2 Cache when more than 64MB of RAM is installed, causing | major performance degradation" It so happens that my motherboard is Intel | Triton i450FX based. | This is where I get out of my depth. I don't know if my computer has any | Cache installed. I cannot find any specific reference to it in "System | information". As mentioned, I do not have a manual but I did get a receipt | which gave a very brief description of the Computer which says that it has | "Pipeline Burst Cache" | System Information" shows that at present there is 94% of system resources | free, That it has a "Windows managed swap file on drive C (3878 MB free)" | 3878 mb is in fact the amount of free space at present on Drive C.. | Would I be correct in assuming that the "Pipeline burst Cache" makes | available the entire free disk space for cache, that it replaces the L2 Cache | and that there should be no reason against installing 256MB of Ram or at | least 128MB.? | | P/S I have just now checked in SETUP that the COM1 port, to which the | serial mouse is attached was enabled. Both on board Serial Ports (Com1 & | Com2) are enabled. I then booted up the computer (using the wireless mouse | connected through a USB port) in order to check the Com1 Port address in | device manager. It was 03F8.. I made no alterations in SETUP or in Device | Manager. I shut down & restarted the computer and could you believe it the | Serial mouse was working. The mouse was only loosely attached to the | Computer. I tightened it up firmly which did not stop the mouse from working | but some ten minutes later when I next restarted the Computer the mouse was | not detected. It would appear that the mouse would work if windows could | detect it.. I worked with the Computer for about half an hour when the serial | mouse was working. During that time the Computer froze only once. | I still intend to replace the RAM & hope that will cure the freezing | problem. | Many thanks for your help. | -- | JJ MacA | | | "letterman@invalid.com" wrote: | | > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:49:23 -0600, "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> | > wrote: | > | > >One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their | > >contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often | > >ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have | > | > Clean the contacts on the Ram strips. Just use a standard pencil | > eraser on them. Old contacts on Ram as well as cards tend to get a | > oxidized. Clean contacts on cards too. | > | > >it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. | > >This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. | > >Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is | > >totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit | > >functioning). | > >The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or | > >perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the | > >BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct. | > | > You can also try a serial mouse in a serial port if the PS2 plug is | > not working. You can buy adapters for them too, from PS2 to Serial. | > As you are likely aware, the chipset you mention was used by a number of different manufacturers. IF you can identify the actual board manufacturer [if you haven't yet] then more exact help can be supplied. You can find the BIOS and other information upon Bootup on the initial screen. Contained within these will be the letter/number identifiers. You can also use third party applications. Several applications are available to identify the motherboard and other, such as: CTBIOS ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/ctbios15.zip, Diag2000{DOS}, InfoPlus{DOS} http://esca.atomki.hu/paradise/sac/utildiag.html [contains a number of other tools] , among dozens of others. As always, make sure to check ALL downloads for viruses and other. Once you have the numbers and manufacturer, it will be much more likely that an actual fix or otherwise can be applied. NOTE: 256 RAM sticks MAY be incompatible with your system, please identify the manufacturer and consult the manual. -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________
Guest glee Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues I suggest you also run a hard drive diagnostic as I described in my previous reply in this thread. It may be, as philo suggested, that the RAM is at fault. Please follow the instructions here to create a disk for testing RAM, and then run a long loop test on the RAM overnight: http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp <quote> To run Windows Memory Diagnostic, you must first set up Windows Memory Diagnostic on a 3.5-inch floppy disk or CD-ROM. Go to the directory where you saved the Windows Memory Diagnostic executable file, mtinst.exe. Double-click mtinst.exe to start Windows Memory Diagnostic Setup. Depending on your security settings, the File Download dialog box might appear when you run mtinst.exe. If it appears, click Open to start Windows Memory Diagnostic Setup. Other security dialog boxes might also appear. This can happen, for example, if you try to install Windows Memory Diagnostic from a Universal Naming Convention (UNC) shared folder. These dialog boxes are related to your security settings and not to Windows Memory Diagnostic. If you experience problems when you are trying to install Windows Memory Diagnostic, either be sure to run Mtinst.exe from your local computer, or review your security settings and the documentation included in your version of Windows. Do either of the following: Click Create Startup Disk to install Windows Memory Diagnostic on a floppy disk. Select the floppy disk drive that you want to use from the list provided. Insert a formatted floppy disk into this drive and then click Create. When the installation is complete, the Success dialog box will appear. Or, click Save CD Image to Disk if you want to create a CD-ROM that you can use to start your computer. Select a location where you want to save the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) 9660 image and then click Save. When the file has been saved, the Success dialog box will appear. For more information about creating a CD-ROM that you can boot from, see the Note at the end of this section. Restart your computer with the disk on which you installed Windows Memory Diagnostic (either the floppy or CD-ROM drive). Important In the boot sequence, the drive with the Windows Memory Diagnostic disk must precede any other devices on which there is a bootable program, such as a hard disk on which Windows is installed. You can configure the boot sequence in the BIOS settings. On most computers, the default boot sequence includes the floppy drive. For more information about configuring the boot sequence, see the documentation for your motherboard. </quote> Diretc download link: http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E59A0DFF-A238-489A-B75B-60682DF43F23@microsoft.com... > Thanks Philo > I have checked the BIOS settings. The serial port to which the mouse is > attached is enabled and set to auto' > I don't have a PS/2 port on that Computer but I can use a wireless mouse > through a USB port. The mouse problem is secondary to the Lockups other than > the two problems may be related. > I suspect that RAM faults may be causing the lockups. I intend to reseat > the existing Ram strips but if that does not work I will replace it. > I don't think that overheating is responsible. I have left the computer > running (idle) for over 4 hours and it did not lockup. Its only when I start > working with programs that it locksup frequently > Thanks for your help.-- > JJ MacA > > > "philo" wrote: > >> >> "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... >> > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : >> > >> > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz >> > 40MB RAM >> > 1MB PCI Graphics Card >> > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 >> > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 >> > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. >> > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed >> > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A >> > >> > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. >> > >> > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not detect a >> > mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless mouse >> (attached >> > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that >> problem >> > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on >> > another Computer and it is OK. >> > >> > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or >> > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can >> do >> > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs >> > ScanDisk. >> > >> > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these >> problems >> > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I >> now >> > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 >> > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I >> > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes >> have >> > worsened , >> > The Computer is now virtually unusable. >> > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but >> assume >> > that they would have no bearing on the problems. >> > >> > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and >> a >> > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to >> the >> > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to >> add >> > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. >> > >> > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter >> card. >> > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get >> it >> > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass >> > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the >> card >> > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If >> I >> > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I >> would >> > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof >> > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. >> > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its >> > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. >> > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these >> problems, >> > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out >> to >> > try and establish their cause. >> > Thank you >> > >> >> >> As to the serial mouse not working, check your bios settings >> to make sure that port is enabled... >> you may want to set it to "auto". or: >> If the machine has a ps/2 port, just use a ps/2 mouse. >> >> As to the machine locking up... >> It could be a lot of things...but I generally suggest running a RAM test >> first >> as H/W problems can often cause a "lockup" >> >> Lockups are also caused by overheating... >> but a P-120 generally does not require too much cooling... >> With a large enough heatsink...a fan is not necessarily required... >> but I'd have a look to make sure the heatsink is properly secured... >> A p-120 without a heat sink at all, will overheat >> >> >>
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thanks Glee Yes this is the mouse that has worked on this computer for a long time. Actually after not working for about 2 weeks it started to work for a short period today but stopped working again after rebooting because the Computer is unable to detect it.. I don’t have a PS/2 port but am content using a wireless mouse through a USB port. I suspect that faulty RAM may be the root cause of the lockups and I intend to replace it before looking further. I would like to install more than 64 MB of replacement RAM if that is permissible. Please see my concerns in my reply to lettermans post. I don’t think that Hard Drive C:\ (or HHH D:\) is causing the problems. Each time the Computer locks up, which is every time I try to use it, I have to switch off the power and when I restart the computer it goes through the ScanDisk check. Not once has it reported any faults. The Hard Drive is a Seagate. I will have to download the Seagate SeaTools for DOS on another Computer as this computer has not got a broadband connection. Many thanks for all the useful URLs -- JJ MacA "glee" wrote: > Has a serial mouse *ever* worked on this computer? Pinouts on the motherboard for > serial ports varied, and I have seen boards of that period whose serial port cable > did not match the pinouts on the motherboard, and the port simply would not work as > a result. > > That motherboard supports a PS/2 mouse....it should have a PS/2 mouse header on the > motherboard, although you may not have a PS/2 mouse port connector on the case, and > would need to add one: > Physical Installation Procedures - PS/2 Mouse Port Connector > http://www.pcguide.com/proc/physinst/ps2.htm > > A lot of things could cause the freeze problem. Power supply, RAM, bad caps on the > mobo (as mentioned in other replies already). > Another possibility is a failing hard drive. Does Scandisk ever find anything > wrong? > > Try the procedure here: Testing a Suspect Hard Drive: > http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30382 > > I am partial to SeaTools for DOS (NOT SeaTools for Windows): > http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools > > <canned> > > If a failing hard drive is suspected, it can be tested by running the diagnostics > from the hard drive manufacturer's web site. > > Prior to any testing, a backup of your important data should be made > immediately....if the drive is in fact failing, it could fail at any time. > > If you don't know what brand the drive is, you can download the limited-use free > edition of OnTrack Data Advisor from this location: > http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/data-recovery-downloads/#dataadvisor > > Click the download link on that page for Data Advisor Trial Edition in your > language, to download the diskette creator file. > > The downloads are diskette creators. They are to be run once from a working Windows > system and will guide you through the process of extracting the Data Advisor onto a > 3.5" floppy disk. > > Download and Use Instructions: > http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/hard-drive-software/dataadvisor-download.aspx > > An older version of SeaTools, for creating a bootable floppy disk or for creating a > bootable CD if you don't have a floppy drive, is here: > http://www.majorgeeks.com/download2858.html > Sea Tools contains both a Seagate-specific diagnostic and a Generic test that will > run on all brands of drives. > > Hard Drive Diagnostic Programs by Vendor: > > OnTrack Data Advisor: > http://www.ontrack.com/freesoftware/#dataadvisor > > IBM/Hitachi Drive Fitness Test: > http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm > > Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tools: > http://support.wdc.com/download/ > > Quantum/Maxtor PowerMax: > http://www.majorgeeks.com/Maxtor_Powermax_d1386.html > > Seagate SeaTools for DOS: > http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools > > </canned> > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > 40MB RAM > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a > > mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached > > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > > another Computer and it is OK. > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > > ScanDisk. > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these problems > > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I now > > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes have > > worsened , > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but assume > > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and a > > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to the > > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to add > > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter card. > > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get it > > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the card > > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If I > > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would > > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these problems, > > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out to > > try and establish their cause. > > Thank you > > > > -- > > JJ MacA > >
Guest MEB Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 JPEG-JPG image format and inclusions, vulnerabilities JPEG-JPG image format and inclusions, vulnerabilities I should have added: The formats defined as JPEG/JPG [among a few other formats] also allow the creator/author and other {identifying} information to be included within the formats. Web based images generally contain these types of information as well what I previously indicated could POSSIBLY be included. *Image search/indexing spiders* will/could access this information increasing presence and other for the originators, and for tracking of their usage. -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________
Guest MEB Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: JPEG-JPG image format and inclusions, vulnerabilities Re: JPEG-JPG image format and inclusions, vulnerabilities Opps wrong discussion.... sorry... -- MEB -- _________ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uHnPg7eEJHA.4504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | I should have added: The formats defined as JPEG/JPG [among a few other | formats] also allow the creator/author and other {identifying} information | to be included within the formats. | Web based images generally contain these types of information as well what I | previously indicated could POSSIBLY be included. | *Image search/indexing spiders* will/could access this information | increasing presence and other for the originators, and for tracking of their | usage. | | -- | MEB | a Peoples' counsel | | -- | _________ | |
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thanks Buffalo I intend to reseat the ram modules as you have suggested. There are four RAM slots which are fully utilised. 2No 16MB Modules & 2No. 4MB modules. I would like to replace these with a single module of 128 MB if that is permissible, if not with a single 64MB module The mouse surprisingly started to work today. I rebooted the Computer on a number of occasions and it continued to work. I noticed that the mouse was loosely attached to the serial port so I inserted it fully and fastened the retaining studs.. After doing so the mouse continued to work but after closing the Computer down the next time I rebooted it there was a return of the old error message “the Computer could not detect a mouse---“ This would seem to indicate a fault in COM docking port. I have examined the pins and they all seem to be OK. The ribbon cable is attached to the pins within the moulded body of the Port and cannot be accessed.. The ribbon itself appears to be intact. I have tried two other working serial mice and the Computer would not detect these either. Device manager reports that the COM1 port is working properly and has an imput/output address 03F8-03FF. There is something amiss somewhere. Thanks for your help -- JJ MacA "Buffalo" wrote: > > > jj mac wrote: > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > 40MB RAM > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not > > detect a mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless > > mouse (attached to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able > > to overcome that problem but the Serial Port fault remains. I have > > checked the serial mouse on another Computer and it is OK. > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two > > or three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all > > I can do is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the > > computer runs ScanDisk. > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > > problems I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its > > original CD. I now realise that by doing so I have lost all of the > > Win98 updates and IE ver.5 has been installed. As a result the mouse > > problem remains, and although I have not reloaded any programs after > > the reformat , the Computer freezes have worsened , > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > > assume that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer > > and a wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not > > connected to the internet at present. If I can resolve these issues > > I would then hope to add a Broadband connection from my router using > > a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > > card. I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk > > but to get it to work properly I had to download and install an > > additional Win 98 Mass Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working > > perfectly. I suppose the card could be causing a conflict but if > > so it was not immediately apparent. If I remove the card to check > > out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would have no control > > of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof possibly > > caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > > problems, there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I > > should carry out to try and establish their cause. > > Thank you > > One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their > contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often > ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have > it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. > This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. > Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is > totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit > functioning). > The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or > perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the > BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct. > > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:53:01 -0700, jj mac <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >I am somewhat hampered by the lack of a manual for this Computer. Another utility that may help you identify your hardware is Everest Home Edition: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html I >I still have the two strips [of RAM] that I removed but the markings do not >indicate either the speed or their size. I presume they must have been 4 MB >each.. I think that it is SDRAM that is fitted with a speed of PC100. The individual RAM chips on each module have part numbers on them. If you post these numbers (not the ones on the sticker), then we can accurately determine the specs of the module. You also need to tell us how many chips each module has. >I do see the RAM as a prime suspect and I was intending to replace all 4 >module strips with a single Kingstone 256MB SDRAM PC 133 strip. However, on >the internet I came across a reference to a problem if you “add more than >64MB of Ram to a system that does not support caching of more than 64 MB of >system memory eg. The Intel Triton i430FX based motherboards completely >disable the onboard L2 Cache when more than 64MB of RAM is installed, causing >major performance degradation” I've always read that only the first 64MB of system RAM is cached and the remainder is uncached. You can easily check this in real DOS mode (not a Windows DOS box) with the Celem Cache Test: ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utildiag/cct386.zip You should see three plateaus corresponding to L1 CPU cache, L2 motherboard cache, and system RAM. This brilliant little program was able to detect fake cache RAM chips that were peddled by PCChips and others in the 486 days. >P/S I have just now checked in SETUP that the COM1 port, to which the >serial mouse is attached was enabled. Both on board Serial Ports (Com1 & >Com2) are enabled. I then booted up the computer (using the wireless mouse >connected through a USB port) in order to check the Com1 Port address in >device manager. It was 03F8.. I made no alterations in SETUP or in Device >Manager. I shut down & restarted the computer and could you believe it the >Serial mouse was working. The mouse was only loosely attached to the >Computer. I tightened it up firmly which did not stop the mouse from working >but some ten minutes later when I next restarted the Computer the mouse was >not detected. It would appear that the mouse would work if windows could >detect it.. I worked with the Computer for about half an hour when the serial >mouse was working. During that time the Computer froze only once. >I still intend to replace the RAM & hope that that will cure the freezing >problem. >Many thanks for your help. Switch your mouse to COM2. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest jj mac Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thank you Franc The COM port is enabled in the BIOS setup. I have not replaced the CMOS battery for about three years but the time and date settings are correct so I am assuming that it is OK. I would like to test the Com Port but before attempting to do so I would like a little bit more advice. When you say to use a paper clip to connect any output pin to any imput pin do you mean to connect say RXD to TXD or DTR or RTS on the COM port an the computer.? Does the flash appear the same for each connection. ? Is there a danger of creating a short if say pin 2 was inadvertently connected to pin 5.? Are any precautions necessary? The Win98 Computer does not have an internet connection. which means that I cannot download directly to it. Instead of testing the RAM I intend to replace it. Thanks for your help -- JJ MacA "Franc Zabkar" wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:14 -0700, jj mac <jj > mac@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: > > >My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > >Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > >40MB RAM > >1MB PCI Graphics Card > >2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > >Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > >5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > >Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > >This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > >1 During bootup I am getting an error message “Windows did not detect a > >mouse attached to this Computer”. By installing a wireless mouse (attached > >to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that problem > > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > >another Computer and it is OK. > > Make sure the COM port is enabled in your BIOS setup. (Did you > recently replace your CMOS battery?) > > I have written the following DOS program to test real COM ports: > http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/comstest.exe > > Use a wire or paperclip to connect any output pin to any input pin. > The corresponding connection should flash on your screen. > > This page shows the pinout of a serial port and describes how a serial > mouse works: > http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml > > You need to test pins 2,3,4 and 7. > > >2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > >three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can do > >is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > >ScanDisk. > > Check that the power supply and CPU fans are spinning. Clean out any > dust. > Remove and reseat all cards and memory modules. > Disconnect and reconnect all cables. > Check motherboard capacitors for bulging or leaking. > > Run MEMTEST for several hours to test your RAM: > http://www.memtest.org/ > > Run the hard disc manufacturer's diagnostic tests. > > Measure the power supply voltages: > http://pinouts.ru/Power/MotherboardPower_pinout.shtml (old AT) > http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml (ATX) > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >
Guest philo Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E59A0DFF-A238-489A-B75B-60682DF43F23@microsoft.com... > Thanks Philo > I have checked the BIOS settings. The serial port to which the mouse is > attached is enabled and set to auto' > I don't have a PS/2 port on that Computer but I can use a wireless mouse > through a USB port. The mouse problem is secondary to the Lockups other than > the two problems may be related. > I suspect that RAM faults may be causing the lockups. I intend to reseat > the existing Ram strips but if that does not work I will replace it. > I don't think that overheating is responsible. I have left the computer > running (idle) for over 4 hours and it did not lockup. Its only when I start > working with programs that it locksup frequently > Thanks for your help.-- > JJ MacA > > I also like fooling with old computers... look in device manager and see if there are any conflicts or just exactly how com1 is listed (assuming you have the mouse one com1) I also assume the mouse was working at one time... because as one person had mentioned elsewhere... there are several different wiring schemes for serial ports. Oh...one other thing. by any chance are you using a PS/2 mouse with a serial port adaptor? If so the mouse must be specifically designed to work as either ps/2 or serial. most ps/2 mice will not work as a serial mouse even with an adaptor... so try a non-adaptor type if you have not done so. If you ever manage to get a serial mouse working, then you can remove your USB card to see if that is what's causing the lockups > "philo" wrote: > > > > > "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > > 40MB RAM > > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not detect a > > > mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless mouse > > (attached > > > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that > > problem > > > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > > > another Computer and it is OK. > > > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > > > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can > > do > > > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > > > ScanDisk. > > > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > > problems > > > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I > > now > > > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > > > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > > > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes > > have > > > worsened , > > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > > assume > > > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and > > a > > > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to > > the > > > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to > > add > > > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > > card. > > > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get > > it > > > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > > > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the > > card > > > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If > > I > > > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I > > would > > > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > > > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > > problems, > > > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out > > to > > > try and establish their cause. > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > As to the serial mouse not working, check your bios settings > > to make sure that port is enabled... > > you may want to set it to "auto". or: > > If the machine has a ps/2 port, just use a ps/2 mouse. > > > > As to the machine locking up... > > It could be a lot of things...but I generally suggest running a RAM test > > first > > as H/W problems can often cause a "lockup" > > > > Lockups are also caused by overheating... > > but a P-120 generally does not require too much cooling... > > With a large enough heatsink...a fan is not necessarily required... > > but I'd have a look to make sure the heatsink is properly secured... > > A p-120 without a heat sink at all, will overheat > > > > > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:11:01 -0700, jj mac <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Thank you Franc >The COM port is enabled in the BIOS setup. I have not replaced the CMOS >battery for about three years but the time and date settings are correct so I >am assuming that it is OK. >I would like to test the Com Port but before attempting to do so I would >like a little bit more advice. When you say to use a paper clip to connect >any output pin to any imput pin do you mean to connect say RXD to TXD Yes, this will verify those two signals. > or DTR >or RTS on the COM port an the computer.? Connect, say, RTS to CTS, and DTR to DSR, at the same COM port connector at the rear of the computer. > Does the flash appear the same for >each connection. ? The flash rates differ so that the user can easily associate the various signals with LEDs in an RS232 breakout box, or with readings on a multimeter. Here is a typical RS232 breakout box: http://www.escience.ca/GFX/PRODS/XC-138.jpg There are other COM port diagnostic programs, but they require a special loopback connector, eg http://www.iec.net/l1341.html >Is there a danger of creating a short if say pin 2 was >inadvertently connected to pin 5.? >Are any precautions necessary? >The Win98 Computer does not have an internet connection. which means that I >cannot download directly to it. Instead of testing the RAM I intend to >replace it. >Thanks for your help When your mouse stops responding in Windows, hold down Ctrl-Esc, then press R, and type the following into the Run box: C:\WINDOWS\CONTROL.EXE sysdm.cpl,system,1 This should bring up Device Manager. Now type F to reFresh the device list. If your mouse hardware has hung, then this may restart it. Otherwise, if your mouse stops responding as a consequence of a general system hang, then this won't fix it. BTW, typical mouse failures include intermittent cables. I had to shorten the cable in my mother's serial mouse for the this reason (a replacement mouse wasn't available from the local stores). - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest jj mac Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thanks Glee for your further advice. I am at present running Windows Memory Diagnostics. I started the test about 6 hours ago . I ran 7 test passes in Windows Memory Diagnostics before switching to the extended test suite in which 22 passes have so far been completed . I will let it run overnight as you have advised. To date no errors have been found. Assuming that it is still error free tomorrow morning, ie after about 16 hours, can I assume that memory is not causing the problem? I was almost hoping that a fault in the RAM was causing the problems as I intend to remove the 4 modules of RAM at present installed. and replace them with a single module of 64 MB or preferably 128mb, if that is permissible. I came across a warning on the Internet that “if you add more than 64MB of RAM to a system that does not support caching of more than 64Mb of system memory eg. The Intel Triton i450FX based motherboards completely disables the onboard L2 cache when more than 64MB of RAM is installed, causing major performance degradation “(end of quotation). My motherboard is Intel Triton i430FX based but it has pipeline burst cache. System Information shows a “Windows managed swap file on drive C: with 3878MB free being the amount of free space currently on drive C: I cannot find any reference anywhere to L2 cache being installed. Would the Pipeline Burst Cache free up the whole of the available space on the drive? If so is there any reason why I should not install 128MB of RAM.? I have been perusing the Seatools for Dos. My HD is Seagate. Unfortunately the System requirements are given as PC with a Pentium or greater processor and a minimum of 64MB of RAM. It looks as though it will not run on a WIN 98SE Computer with only 40MB of RAM. With the Computer locking up I must have run Windows Scan Disk 30 or more times within the past few weeks and never once did it find any defects. Thanks for you help -- JJ MacA "glee" wrote: > I suggest you also run a hard drive diagnostic as I described in my previous reply > in this thread. > > It may be, as philo suggested, that the RAM is at fault. > Please follow the instructions here to create a disk for testing RAM, and then run a > long loop test on the RAM overnight: > http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp > > <quote> > > To run Windows Memory Diagnostic, you must first set up Windows Memory Diagnostic on > a 3.5-inch floppy disk or CD-ROM. > > Go to the directory where you saved the Windows Memory Diagnostic executable file, > mtinst.exe. > Double-click mtinst.exe to start Windows Memory Diagnostic Setup. Depending on your > security settings, the File Download dialog box might appear when you run > mtinst.exe. If it appears, click Open to start Windows Memory Diagnostic Setup. > Other security dialog boxes might also appear. This can happen, for example, if you > try to install Windows Memory Diagnostic from a Universal Naming Convention (UNC) > shared folder. These dialog boxes are related to your security settings and not to > Windows Memory Diagnostic. If you experience problems when you are trying to install > Windows Memory Diagnostic, either be sure to run Mtinst.exe from your local > computer, or review your security settings and the documentation included in your > version of Windows. > > Do either of the following: > > Click Create Startup Disk to install Windows Memory Diagnostic on a floppy disk. > > Select the floppy disk drive that you want to use from the list provided. > Insert a formatted floppy disk into this drive and then click Create. When the > installation is complete, the Success dialog box will appear. > > Or, click Save CD Image to Disk if you want to create a CD-ROM that you can use to > start your computer. > > Select a location where you want to save the International Organization for > Standardization (ISO) 9660 image and then click Save. When the file has been saved, > the Success dialog box will appear. > > For more information about creating a CD-ROM that you can boot from, see the Note at > the end of this section. > Restart your computer with the disk on which you installed Windows Memory Diagnostic > (either the floppy or CD-ROM drive). > > Important > In the boot sequence, the drive with the Windows Memory Diagnostic disk must precede > any other devices on which there is a bootable program, such as a hard disk on which > Windows is installed. You can configure the boot sequence in the BIOS settings. On > most computers, the default boot sequence includes the floppy drive. For more > information about configuring the boot sequence, see the documentation for your > motherboard. > > </quote> > > Diretc download link: > http://oca.microsoft.com/en/mtinst.exe > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ > http://dts-l.net/ > http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm > > > "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E59A0DFF-A238-489A-B75B-60682DF43F23@microsoft.com... > > Thanks Philo > > I have checked the BIOS settings. The serial port to which the mouse is > > attached is enabled and set to auto' > > I don't have a PS/2 port on that Computer but I can use a wireless mouse > > through a USB port. The mouse problem is secondary to the Lockups other than > > the two problems may be related. > > I suspect that RAM faults may be causing the lockups. I intend to reseat > > the existing Ram strips but if that does not work I will replace it. > > I don't think that overheating is responsible. I have left the computer > > running (idle) for over 4 hours and it did not lockup. Its only when I start > > working with programs that it locksup frequently > > Thanks for your help.-- > > JJ MacA > > > > > > "philo" wrote: > > > >> > >> "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:29DF7D50-099F-40E3-A026-D354AC225FA4@microsoft.com... > >> > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > >> > > >> > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > >> > 40MB RAM > >> > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > >> > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > >> > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > >> > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > >> > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > >> > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > >> > > >> > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > >> > > >> > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not detect a > >> > mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless mouse > >> (attached > >> > to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able to overcome that > >> problem > >> > but the Serial Port fault remains. I have checked the serial mouse on > >> > another Computer and it is OK. > >> > > >> > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two or > >> > three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all I can > >> do > >> > is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the computer runs > >> > ScanDisk. > >> > > >> > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > >> problems > >> > I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its original CD. I > >> now > >> > realise that by doing so I have lost all of the Win98 updates and IE ver.5 > >> > has been installed. As a result the mouse problem remains, and although I > >> > have not reloaded any programs after the reformat , the Computer freezes > >> have > >> > worsened , > >> > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > >> > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > >> assume > >> > that they would have no bearing on the problems. > >> > > >> > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer and > >> a > >> > wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not connected to > >> the > >> > internet at present. If I can resolve these issues I would then hope to > >> add > >> > a Broadband connection from my router using a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > >> > > >> > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > >> card. > >> > I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk but to get > >> it > >> > to work properly I had to download and install an additional Win 98 Mass > >> > Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working perfectly. I suppose the > >> card > >> > could be causing a conflict but if so it was not immediately apparent. If > >> I > >> > remove the card to check out whether or not it is causing a conflict I > >> would > >> > have no control of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof > >> > possibly caused by the mouse /com port fault. > >> > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > >> > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > >> > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > >> problems, > >> > there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I should carry out > >> to > >> > try and establish their cause. > >> > Thank you > >> > > >> > >> > >> As to the serial mouse not working, check your bios settings > >> to make sure that port is enabled... > >> you may want to set it to "auto". or: > >> If the machine has a ps/2 port, just use a ps/2 mouse. > >> > >> As to the machine locking up... > >> It could be a lot of things...but I generally suggest running a RAM test > >> first > >> as H/W problems can often cause a "lockup" > >> > >> Lockups are also caused by overheating... > >> but a P-120 generally does not require too much cooling... > >> With a large enough heatsink...a fan is not necessarily required... > >> but I'd have a look to make sure the heatsink is properly secured... > >> A p-120 without a heat sink at all, will overheat > >> > >> > >> > >
Guest jj mac Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues Thanks Buffalo I intend to reseat the ram modules as you have suggested. There are four RAM slots which are fully utilised. 2No 16MB Modules & 2No. 4MB modules. I would like to replace these with a single module of 125 MB if that is permissible, if not with a single 64MB module The mouse surprisingly started to work today. I rebooted the Computer on a number of occasions and it continued to work. I noticed that the mouse was loosely attached to the serial port so I inserted it fully and fastened the retaining studs.. After doing so the mouse continued to work but after closing the Computer down the next time I rebooted it there was a return of the old error message “the Computer could not detect a mouse---“ This would seem to indicate a fault in COM docking port. I have examined the pins and they all seem to be OK. The ribbon cable is attached to the pins within the moulded body of the Port and cannot be accessed.. The ribbon itself appears to be intact. I have tried two other working serial mice and the Computer would not detect these either. Device manager reports that the COM1 port is working properly and has an imput/output address 03F8-03FF. There is something amiss somewhere. Thanks for your help -- JJ MacA "Buffalo" wrote: > > > jj mac wrote: > > My Win98SE Computer has the following Specification : > > > > Intel Pentium 120 Mhz > > 40MB RAM > > 1MB PCI Graphics Card > > 2No. HDDs Drive C: 4086MB (3871MB free) Fat 32 > > Drive D: 1025MB (262MB free) Fat 32 > > Intel i430 FX Triton Motherboard. > > 5 port USB2 PCI adapter card installed > > Operating System : Windows 98 4.10.2222A > > > > This Computer has developed the following faults which may be related. > > > > 1 During bootup I am getting an error message "Windows did not > > detect a mouse attached to this Computer". By installing a wireless > > mouse (attached to a USB port) instead of the serial mouse I am able > > to overcome that problem but the Serial Port fault remains. I have > > checked the serial mouse on another Computer and it is OK. > > > > 2. The Computer freezes sometimes during bootup but more often two > > or three mouse clicks after opening a program. When that happens all > > I can do is switch off the power plug & during reboot wait while the > > computer runs ScanDisk. > > > > Win 98SE is installed in Drive C. In an attempt to correct these > > problems I reformatted drive C and reinstalled Win 98SE from its > > original CD. I now realise that by doing so I have lost all of the > > Win98 updates and IE ver.5 has been installed. As a result the mouse > > problem remains, and although I have not reloaded any programs after > > the reformat , the Computer freezes have worsened , > > The Computer is now virtually unusable. > > I have a number of programs installed on the second HD ,drive D, but > > assume that they would have no bearing on the problems. > > > > I have a Broadband Ethernet connection with another desktop Computer > > and a wireless connection with a laptop. This old Computer is not > > connected to the internet at present. If I can resolve these issues > > I would then hope to add a Broadband connection from my router using > > a USB LAN to Ethernet adapter. > > > > The only additional hardware recently installed was the USB2 adapter > > card. I recall that the card was supplied with an installation disk > > but to get it to work properly I had to download and install an > > additional Win 98 Mass Storage driver. The USB2 ports are working > > perfectly. I suppose the card could be causing a conflict but if > > so it was not immediately apparent. If I remove the card to check > > out whether or not it is causing a conflict I would have no control > > of the cursor. I cannot find any keyboard control thereof possibly > > caused by the mouse /com port fault. > > After reinstalling Win 98se I removed the Modem (internal) card as its > > drivers appeared not to have installed properly. > > I would appreciate advice as to what is the likely cause of these > > problems, there resolution, or on what trouble shooting measures I > > should carry out to try and establish their cause. > > Thank you > > One simple thing to try is to remove and reseat the ram modules. Their > contacts can get oxidized and just removing them and reseating them often > ensures better contact. You may even want to try different ram, if you have > it or remove the 8MB stick and try just the 32MB stick. > This is easy and doesn't cost anything and is worth a try. > Like others have pointed out, the PSU may be weak and failing (perhaps it is > totally plugged up with dust and/or its fan quit > functioning). > The serial mouse problem could be a bent or broken pin in the PC socket or > perhaps one of the wires going to it is broken or shorted out. Make sure the > BIOS is recognizing the serial port and that its address is correct. > > >
Guest glee Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues "jj mac" <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B747B9D4-4028-42D2-90E9-E79E276C1D56@microsoft.com... > snip > I have been perusing the Seatools for Dos. My HD is Seagate. Unfortunately > the System requirements are given as PC with a Pentium or greater processor > and a minimum of 64MB of RAM. It looks as though it will not run on a WIN > 98SE Computer with only 40MB of RAM. > snip Try OnTrack DataAdvisor instead: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/data-recovery-downloads/#harddrive -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Re: Mouse not detected and Windows 98SE Freeze issues On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:15:01 -0700, jj mac <jj mac@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >I have been perusing the Seatools for Dos. My HD is Seagate. Unfortunately >the System requirements are given as PC with a Pentium or greater processor >and a minimum of 64MB of RAM. It looks as though it will not run on a WIN >98SE Computer with only 40MB of RAM. I don't believe it. A DOS program that fits on a floppy diskette should not require 64MB of RAM. In fact I just ran SeaTools for DOS on a 486 box with 48MB of RAM. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
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