Guest db.·.. > Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Physical Memory the list is interesting however, these are services and not a true reflection of the processes listed in the task manager. in addition to services, you may also have non services running as well. but i can see a problem in that you have symantec and lavasoft. therefore, one of the antivirals has not been successfully removed. these two services are non-microsoft. -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "JohnD" <JohnD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F95F5840-C472-4E89-AB4F-56C866B149FB@microsoft.com... > Here's the list. Actually, looking at the items, I suppose they basically > look reasonable. By the way, I have XP Pro, so I guess I have Tasklist.exe. > What would I do with it? > > These Windows services are started: > > Apple Mobile Device > Application Layer Gateway Service > Ati HotKey Poller > Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler > Automatic Updates > Background Intelligent Transfer Service > Bonjour Service > COM+ Event System > Computer Browser > Cryptographic Services > DCOM Server Process Launcher > DHCP Client > Distributed Link Tracking Client > DNS Client > Error Reporting Service > Event Log > Fast User Switching Compatibility > Help and Support > HTTP SSL > iPod Service > IPSEC Services > Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service > LiveUpdate Notice > Logical Disk Manager > Network Connections > Network Location Awareness (NLA) > Plug and Play > Print Spooler > Protected Storage > Remote Access Connection Manager > Remote Procedure Call (RPC) > Remote Registry > Secondary Logon > Security Accounts Manager > Server > Shell Hardware Detection > SoundMAX Agent Service > SSDP Discovery Service > Symantec Core LC > Symantec Event Manager > Symantec Lic NetConnect service > Symantec Settings Manager > System Event Notification > System Restore Service > Task Scheduler > TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper > Telephony > Terminal Services > Themes > Universal Plug and Play Device Host > WebClient > Windows Audio > Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) > Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) > Windows Management Instrumentation > Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service > Windows Time > Wireless Zero Configuration > Workstation > > The command completed successfully. > > > Image Name PID Services > ========================= ====== ============================================= > System Idle Process 0 N/A > System 4 N/A > smss.exe 920 N/A > csrss.exe 976 N/A > winlogon.exe 1004 N/A > services.exe 1048 Eventlog, PlugPlay > lsass.exe 1060 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs > ati2evxx.exe 1244 Ati HotKey Poller > svchost.exe 1260 DcomLaunch, TermService > svchost.exe 1340 RpcSs > svchost.exe 1464 AudioSrv, BITS, Browser, CryptSvc, Dhcp, > dmserver, ERSvc, EventSystem, > FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, helpsvc, > lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman, > Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS, > SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, srservice, > TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt, > wuauserv, WZCSVC > svchost.exe 1608 Dnscache > svchost.exe 1668 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, upnphost, > WebClient > CCSVCHST.EXE 1716 ccEvtMgr, ccSetMgr, CLTNetCnService, > LiveUpdate Notice > aawservice.exe 368 aawservice > ati2evxx.exe 1444 N/A > explorer.exe 1600 N/A > spoolsv.exe 180 Spooler > AppleMobileDeviceService. 1396 Apple Mobile Device > AluSchedulerSvc.exe 1872 Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler > mDNSResponder.exe 508 Bonjour Service > svchost.exe 788 HTTPFilter > SMAgent.exe 1816 SoundMAX Agent Service (default) > SMax4PNP.exe 880 N/A > SMax4.exe 948 N/A > jusched.exe 1200 N/A > svchost.exe 324 stisvc > CLI.exe 2156 N/A > wmpnetwk.exe 2160 WMPNetworkSvc > CCSVCHST.EXE 2360 N/A > hpgs2wnd.exe 2620 N/A > iTunesHelper.exe 2752 N/A > GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe 2812 N/A > hpgs2wnf.exe 2828 N/A > ctfmon.exe 2868 N/A > msmsgs.exe 3316 N/A > wmpnscfg.exe 3648 N/A > Hotsync.exe 3956 N/A > iPodService.exe 1800 iPod Service > alg.exe 2740 ALG > symlcsvc.exe 4088 Symantec Core LC > CLI.exe 1484 N/A > CLI.exe 3360 N/A > rundll32.exe 3376 N/A > aolsoftware.exe 1704 N/A > AOLSP Scheduler.exe 1972 N/A > aolsoftware.exe 2964 N/A > AOLacsd.exe 2312 N/A > waol.exe 184 N/A > shellmon.exe 2184 N/A > cmd.exe 2516 N/A > tasklist.exe 2552 N/A > wmiprvse.exe 2944 N/A > > > "John John (MVP)" wrote: > >> Let's have a look at these zillions of processes. At a Command Prompt >> issue the following commands, pressing enter after each: >> >> net start >C:\Startlist.txt >> tasklist /svc >>C:\Startlist.txt >> >> Note the single redirector ">" in the first command and the double one >> ">>" in the second command. After you run the commands find and paste >> the contents of the Startlist.txt file to your next post so we can have >> a quick look at your running processes. >> >> Windows XP Home doesn't include the Tasklist.exe utility, I can't figure >> out why Microsoft excludes this utility from the Home Edition, but you >> can download a copy of it here: >> http://www.computerhope.com/download/winxp.htm >> >> In addition to the sites that Daave gave you you might also find the >> following to be useful: >> >> Services Guide for Windows XP >> http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm >> >> Windows XP x86 (32-bit) Service Pack 3 Service Configurations >> http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm >> >> John >> >> JohnD wrote: >> >> > Not to walk over Daave, but in his reply to me he mentioned that there would >> > be processes running in the background. I have replied to him that there are >> > zillions of them. It seems to me that your explanation to me must apply to >> > these processes, because after all they are also programs. >> > >> > So the question that comes to my mind is whether these processes are all >> > necesesary. Is it possible that some might be associated with applications I >> > no longer have? Or that they have been installed without my knowledge off the >> > Internet? Is there a way I can find out and get rid of the unnecessary ones? >> > >> > I thhought db was suggesting ways I could do this, but apparently what he >> > was suggesting was going to do something else. >> > >> > Certainly my computer has become much slower than it used to be. I have a >> > 3.0 gig Pentium 4 processor and apparently a half gig of available memory, >> > but it takes forever to load Microsoft Word, say, or AOL. >> > >> > "John John (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Don't listen to that db character and don't use that crap that he >> >>recommends. Memory optimizers/defragers are nothing more than snake >> >>oil, they provide absolutely no useful benefit to the memory management >> >>of your Windows installation, quite to the contrary they create havoc >> >>and force disk paging in order to create an illusion that they have >> >>freed memory! >> >> >> >>These optimizers work by making demands on the Windows Memory Manager >> >>for a rapidly and steeply increasing amount of memory to the point where >> >>the Windows Memory Manager pushes all the pageable code and data to the >> >>pagefile to satisfy the demand. Once the code and data for all the >> >>other applications (the Working Sets) has been paged out the snake oil >> >>program then tells the Windows Memory Manager that it no longer needs >> >>the memory that it asked for and it releases it, this creates an >> >>illusion that memory has appeared out of nowheres. >> >> >> >>The only problem with that is that all the other applications and >> >>pageable system processes are now in the pagefile and that anything that >> >>you do that needs the paged out code and data takes an eternity to run >> >>because it has to get it from the pagefile, in many instances some >> >>applications will simply crash! Things like using your web browser's >> >>"Back" button to go to a previous page or reopening a Word document that >> >>you had open only 30 seconds ago will now take forever! Even certain >> >>Windows functions will lag and be sluggish. >> >> >> >>The funny thing about all of this nonsense is that the snake oil memory >> >>optimizer cannot do anything on its own, like all other applications and >> >>processes it cannot manage memory at all, the Windows Memory Manager >> >>does *absolutely* not permit this, all that the rogue application can do >> >>is ask the Windows Memory Manager for RAM and then close the process >> >>demanding the RAM or have the process "unallocate" the RAM. Yet even >> >>more of a silly thing is that if you open an application, like lets say >> >>Word, it will ask for a certain amount of RAM and the Windows Memory >> >>Manager will comply, just as it did for the snake oil, and if needed it >> >>will page out code and data just as it did for the snake oil. Once your >> >>Word program is up and running if you want to open documents the same >> >>thing happens all over again. The difference is that the Windows Memory >> >>Manager will do this in a measured orderly manner as demanded by the >> >>properly designed application instead of in a completely reckless manner >> >>as demanded from a rogue snake oil program! >> >> >> >>John >> >> >> >>JohnD wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Thanks for your response. Perhaps you might read my response to Bruce. >> >>> >> >>>"db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>the helpful response >> >>>>would be for the o.p. >> >>>>to add up the consumption >> >>>>used by the processes >> >>>>running in memory. >> >>>> >> >>>>but what would a troll >> >>>>like you know, except >> >>>>being a smart-as* >> >>>> >> >>>>-- >> >>>> >> >>>>db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >>>> >> >>>>"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message news:eFCY$eFEJHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>JohnD wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>System information on my XP PC tells me I have total physical memory of 1,024.00 MB, and Available physical memory of >> >>>>>>491.98 MB. >> >>>>>>Does this sound right? Why the discrepancy? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>What discrepancy? Naturally, if your computer is powered on, some of its memory will be in use, and therefore not >> >>>>>"available." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>-- >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Bruce Chambers >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Help us help you: >> >>>>>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >> >>>>> >> >>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 >> >>>>> >> >>>>>They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin >> >>>>>Franklin >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell >> >>>>> >> >>>>>The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. >> >>>>>~ Denis Diderot >> >>>> >> >>>> >>
Guest John John (MVP) Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: Physical Memory db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote: > the list is interesting > however, these are > services and not a > true reflection of the > processes listed in > the task manager. Look at the second half of the list, where the Image Names and PID's are listed, what do you think those are? > in addition to services, > you may also have non > services running as well. > > but i can see a problem > in that you have symantec > and lavasoft. > > therefore, one of the > antivirals has not been > successfully removed. What on earth is that supposed to mean? > these two services are > non-microsoft. No kidding, so are a pile of the other ones listed! His aim is not to necessarily do away with all but Microsoft services, it is to get rid of the ones he doesn't use. John
Guest Plato Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory =?Utf-8?B?Sm9obkQ=?= wrote: > > System information on my XP PC tells me I have total physical memory of > 1,024.00 MB, and Available physical memory of 491.98 MB. Does this sound > right? Yes -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest Sunny Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message news:48c60eac$0$9776$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > fix your word wrap It's not my word to fix.
Guest Bill in Co. Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory I think he's talking about "db", (who never listens to anybody's advice, anyway, so it falls on deaf ears). Sunny wrote: > "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message > news:48c60eac$0$9776$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... >> fix your word wrap > > It's not my word to fix.
Guest JohnD Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory Thanks for your help, John. You have given me quite a lot to do an also eased some concerns and I appreciate it. I must say that even after I will have done all that you suggest, I wonder if my slowness problem will have been resolved. After all, I do have about a half gig of available memory so it seems strange that after having loaded Microsoft Word it should take so long to display a document. It used to be almost instant. To answer your questions - I am on a home network and I am the only user of this PC. "John John (MVP)" wrote: > Well, the reason I wanted you to post the list was to see if any virus > or spyware would have shown as being present, at a quick look I don't > see anything there that looks like malware so that would seem to be > eliminated as a cause of your slowness problems. One big hog that I see > there is Symantec, you may want to reconsider your use of this AV > program, there are much lighter AV programs available, Avast for one is > much less demanding than Symantec. > > Other than that you will just have to go thru the list and consult the > web sites that we pointed you to earlier and decide for yourself what it > is that you really need running, if you see things in there that you > only use once in a blue moon then you should remove them from the > startup location. To disable the unneeded items you can go in the > programs that you want to remove from the startup and see if they have > an option to turn off the boot time autostart, the well written and > graceful programs always give an option to turn off the start at boot. > For the not so well behaved programs you can use utilities like Autoruns > that Daave suggested, or the built-in Windows Msconfig utility. I also > like this little utility, http://codestuff.tripod.com/ it is small and > easy to use, it has a very nice GUI, plus it will keep a list of what > you disabled so it is easy to later undo changes if you want to > re-enable them. Keep in mind that almost all of the utilities that you > remove from the list will still work just fine when or if you start them > manually. > > As a first candidate for removal from your startup list I nominate > ati2evxx.exe, look here for it and see if you really need this running: > http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_a.htm > > As for the services just use the Windows Services Management Console to > change the startup type of the unwanted or unneeded services or look in > the software that owns the service to see if it can be disabled. You > can print the output list from the Net Start command and use it as a > record keeping aid to keep track of the changes that you make with the > services. > > Is your computer on a home network or is it a stand alone? Are you the > only user or do other users also use it? > > John > > > JohnD wrote: > > > Here's the list. Actually, looking at the items, I suppose they basically > > look reasonable. By the way, I have XP Pro, so I guess I have Tasklist.exe. > > What would I do with it? > > > > These Windows services are started: > > > > Apple Mobile Device > > Application Layer Gateway Service > > Ati HotKey Poller > > Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler > > Automatic Updates > > Background Intelligent Transfer Service > > Bonjour Service > > COM+ Event System > > Computer Browser > > Cryptographic Services > > DCOM Server Process Launcher > > DHCP Client > > Distributed Link Tracking Client > > DNS Client > > Error Reporting Service > > Event Log > > Fast User Switching Compatibility > > Help and Support > > HTTP SSL > > iPod Service > > IPSEC Services > > Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service > > LiveUpdate Notice > > Logical Disk Manager > > Network Connections > > Network Location Awareness (NLA) > > Plug and Play > > Print Spooler > > Protected Storage > > Remote Access Connection Manager > > Remote Procedure Call (RPC) > > Remote Registry > > Secondary Logon > > Security Accounts Manager > > Server > > Shell Hardware Detection > > SoundMAX Agent Service > > SSDP Discovery Service > > Symantec Core LC > > Symantec Event Manager > > Symantec Lic NetConnect service > > Symantec Settings Manager > > System Event Notification > > System Restore Service > > Task Scheduler > > TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper > > Telephony > > Terminal Services > > Themes > > Universal Plug and Play Device Host > > WebClient > > Windows Audio > > Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) > > Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) > > Windows Management Instrumentation > > Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service > > Windows Time > > Wireless Zero Configuration > > Workstation > > > > The command completed successfully. > > > > > > Image Name PID Services > > ========================= ====== ============================================= > > System Idle Process 0 N/A > > System 4 N/A > > smss.exe 920 N/A > > csrss.exe 976 N/A > > winlogon.exe 1004 N/A > > services.exe 1048 Eventlog, PlugPlay > > lsass.exe 1060 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs > > ati2evxx.exe 1244 Ati HotKey Poller > > svchost.exe 1260 DcomLaunch, TermService > > svchost.exe 1340 RpcSs > > svchost.exe 1464 AudioSrv, BITS, Browser, CryptSvc, Dhcp, > > dmserver, ERSvc, EventSystem, > > FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, helpsvc, > > lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman, > > Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS, > > SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, srservice, > > TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt, > > wuauserv, WZCSVC > > svchost.exe 1608 Dnscache > > svchost.exe 1668 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, upnphost, > > WebClient > > CCSVCHST.EXE 1716 ccEvtMgr, ccSetMgr, CLTNetCnService, > > LiveUpdate Notice > > aawservice.exe 368 aawservice > > ati2evxx.exe 1444 N/A > > explorer.exe 1600 N/A > > spoolsv.exe 180 Spooler > > AppleMobileDeviceService. 1396 Apple Mobile Device > > AluSchedulerSvc.exe 1872 Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler > > mDNSResponder.exe 508 Bonjour Service > > svchost.exe 788 HTTPFilter > > SMAgent.exe 1816 SoundMAX Agent Service (default) > > SMax4PNP.exe 880 N/A > > SMax4.exe 948 N/A > > jusched.exe 1200 N/A > > svchost.exe 324 stisvc > > CLI.exe 2156 N/A > > wmpnetwk.exe 2160 WMPNetworkSvc > > CCSVCHST.EXE 2360 N/A > > hpgs2wnd.exe 2620 N/A > > iTunesHelper.exe 2752 N/A > > GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe 2812 N/A > > hpgs2wnf.exe 2828 N/A > > ctfmon.exe 2868 N/A > > msmsgs.exe 3316 N/A > > wmpnscfg.exe 3648 N/A > > Hotsync.exe 3956 N/A > > iPodService.exe 1800 iPod Service > > alg.exe 2740 ALG > > symlcsvc.exe 4088 Symantec Core LC > > CLI.exe 1484 N/A > > CLI.exe 3360 N/A > > rundll32.exe 3376 N/A > > aolsoftware.exe 1704 N/A > > AOLSP Scheduler.exe 1972 N/A > > aolsoftware.exe 2964 N/A > > AOLacsd.exe 2312 N/A > > waol.exe 184 N/A > > shellmon.exe 2184 N/A > > cmd.exe 2516 N/A > > tasklist.exe 2552 N/A > > wmiprvse.exe 2944 N/A > > > > > > "John John (MVP)" wrote: > > > > > >>Let's have a look at these zillions of processes. At a Command Prompt > >>issue the following commands, pressing enter after each: > >> > >>net start >C:\Startlist.txt > >>tasklist /svc >>C:\Startlist.txt > >> > >>Note the single redirector ">" in the first command and the double one > >>">>" in the second command. After you run the commands find and paste > >>the contents of the Startlist.txt file to your next post so we can have > >>a quick look at your running processes. > >> > >>Windows XP Home doesn't include the Tasklist.exe utility, I can't figure > >>out why Microsoft excludes this utility from the Home Edition, but you > >>can download a copy of it here: > >>http://www.computerhope.com/download/winxp.htm > >> > >>In addition to the sites that Daave gave you you might also find the > >>following to be useful: > >> > >>Services Guide for Windows XP > >>http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm > >> > >>Windows XP x86 (32-bit) Service Pack 3 Service Configurations > >>http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm > >> > >>John > >> > >>JohnD wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Not to walk over Daave, but in his reply to me he mentioned that there would > >>>be processes running in the background. I have replied to him that there are > >>>zillions of them. It seems to me that your explanation to me must apply to > >>>these processes, because after all they are also programs. > >>> > >>>So the question that comes to my mind is whether these processes are all > >>>necesesary. Is it possible that some might be associated with applications I > >>>no longer have? Or that they have been installed without my knowledge off the > >>>Internet? Is there a way I can find out and get rid of the unnecessary ones? > >>> > >>>I thhought db was suggesting ways I could do this, but apparently what he > >>>was suggesting was going to do something else. > >>> > >>>Certainly my computer has become much slower than it used to be. I have a > >>>3.0 gig Pentium 4 processor and apparently a half gig of available memory, > >>>but it takes forever to load Microsoft Word, say, or AOL. > >>> > >>>"John John (MVP)" wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Don't listen to that db character and don't use that crap that he > >>>>recommends. Memory optimizers/defragers are nothing more than snake > >>>>oil, they provide absolutely no useful benefit to the memory management > >>>>of your Windows installation, quite to the contrary they create havoc > >>>>and force disk paging in order to create an illusion that they have > >>>>freed memory! > >>>> > >>>>These optimizers work by making demands on the Windows Memory Manager > >>>>for a rapidly and steeply increasing amount of memory to the point where > >>>>the Windows Memory Manager pushes all the pageable code and data to the > >>>>pagefile to satisfy the demand. Once the code and data for all the > >>>>other applications (the Working Sets) has been paged out the snake oil > >>>>program then tells the Windows Memory Manager that it no longer needs > >>>>the memory that it asked for and it releases it, this creates an > >>>>illusion that memory has appeared out of nowheres. > >>>> > >>>>The only problem with that is that all the other applications and > >>>>pageable system processes are now in the pagefile and that anything that > >>>>you do that needs the paged out code and data takes an eternity to run > >>>>because it has to get it from the pagefile, in many instances some > >>>>applications will simply crash! Things like using your web browser's > >>>>"Back" button to go to a previous page or reopening a Word document that > >>>>you had open only 30 seconds ago will now take forever! Even certain > >>>>Windows functions will lag and be sluggish. > >>>> > >>>>The funny thing about all of this nonsense is that the snake oil memory > >>>>optimizer cannot do anything on its own, like all other applications and > >>>>processes it cannot manage memory at all, the Windows Memory Manager > >>>>does *absolutely* not permit this, all that the rogue application can do > >>>>is ask the Windows Memory Manager for RAM and then close the process > >>>>demanding the RAM or have the process "unallocate" the RAM. Yet even > >>>>more of a silly thing is that if you open an application, like lets say > >>>>Word, it will ask for a certain amount of RAM and the Windows Memory > >>>>Manager will comply, just as it did for the snake oil, and if needed it > >>>>will page out code and data just as it did for the snake oil. Once your > >>>>Word program is up and running if you want to open documents the same > >>>>thing happens all over again. The difference is that the Windows Memory > >>>>Manager will do this in a measured orderly manner as demanded by the > >>>>properly designed application instead of in a completely reckless manner > >>>>as demanded from a rogue snake oil program! > >>>> > >>>>John > >>>> > >>>>JohnD wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Thanks for your response. Perhaps you might read my response to Bruce. > >>>>> > >>>>>"db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>the helpful response > >>>>>>would be for the o.p. > >>>>>>to add up the consumption > >>>>>>used by the processes > >>>>>>running in memory. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>but what would a troll > >>>>>>like you know, except > >>>>>>being a smart-as* > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
Guest R. McCarty Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory Sudden loss of performance ( App Startup times...) can be due to the Windows volume becoming inconsistent (Dirty). If you've eliminated Malware or lack of resources as the cause, then you might want to do a read-only or cursory Chkdsk C:. If the Chkdsk recommends a full or /R run of Chkdsk do not proceed unless your data is backed up. Click Start, Run ( Type ) Cmd [Enter] >Chkdsk C: [Enter] "JohnD" <JohnD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AFD71CF9-C915-4187-9EA9-788BA0DD1E9A@microsoft.com... > Thanks for your help, John. You have given me quite a lot to do an also > eased some concerns and I appreciate it. > > I must say that even after I will have done all that you suggest, I wonder > if my slowness problem will have been resolved. After all, I do have > about a > half gig of available memory so it seems strange that after having loaded > Microsoft Word it should take so long to display a document. It used to > be > almost instant. > > To answer your questions - I am on a home network and I am the only user > of > this PC. > > "John John (MVP)" wrote: > >> Well, the reason I wanted you to post the list was to see if any virus >> or spyware would have shown as being present, at a quick look I don't >> see anything there that looks like malware so that would seem to be >> eliminated as a cause of your slowness problems. One big hog that I see >> there is Symantec, you may want to reconsider your use of this AV >> program, there are much lighter AV programs available, Avast for one is >> much less demanding than Symantec. >> >> Other than that you will just have to go thru the list and consult the >> web sites that we pointed you to earlier and decide for yourself what it >> is that you really need running, if you see things in there that you >> only use once in a blue moon then you should remove them from the >> startup location. To disable the unneeded items you can go in the >> programs that you want to remove from the startup and see if they have >> an option to turn off the boot time autostart, the well written and >> graceful programs always give an option to turn off the start at boot. >> For the not so well behaved programs you can use utilities like Autoruns >> that Daave suggested, or the built-in Windows Msconfig utility. I also >> like this little utility, http://codestuff.tripod.com/ it is small and >> easy to use, it has a very nice GUI, plus it will keep a list of what >> you disabled so it is easy to later undo changes if you want to >> re-enable them. Keep in mind that almost all of the utilities that you >> remove from the list will still work just fine when or if you start them >> manually. >> >> As a first candidate for removal from your startup list I nominate >> ati2evxx.exe, look here for it and see if you really need this running: >> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_a.htm >> >> As for the services just use the Windows Services Management Console to >> change the startup type of the unwanted or unneeded services or look in >> the software that owns the service to see if it can be disabled. You >> can print the output list from the Net Start command and use it as a >> record keeping aid to keep track of the changes that you make with the >> services. >> >> Is your computer on a home network or is it a stand alone? Are you the >> only user or do other users also use it? >> >> John >> >> >> JohnD wrote: >> >> > Here's the list. Actually, looking at the items, I suppose they >> > basically >> > look reasonable. By the way, I have XP Pro, so I guess I have >> > Tasklist.exe. >> > What would I do with it? >> > >> > These Windows services are started: >> > >> > Apple Mobile Device >> > Application Layer Gateway Service >> > Ati HotKey Poller >> > Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler >> > Automatic Updates >> > Background Intelligent Transfer Service >> > Bonjour Service >> > COM+ Event System >> > Computer Browser >> > Cryptographic Services >> > DCOM Server Process Launcher >> > DHCP Client >> > Distributed Link Tracking Client >> > DNS Client >> > Error Reporting Service >> > Event Log >> > Fast User Switching Compatibility >> > Help and Support >> > HTTP SSL >> > iPod Service >> > IPSEC Services >> > Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service >> > LiveUpdate Notice >> > Logical Disk Manager >> > Network Connections >> > Network Location Awareness (NLA) >> > Plug and Play >> > Print Spooler >> > Protected Storage >> > Remote Access Connection Manager >> > Remote Procedure Call (RPC) >> > Remote Registry >> > Secondary Logon >> > Security Accounts Manager >> > Server >> > Shell Hardware Detection >> > SoundMAX Agent Service >> > SSDP Discovery Service >> > Symantec Core LC >> > Symantec Event Manager >> > Symantec Lic NetConnect service >> > Symantec Settings Manager >> > System Event Notification >> > System Restore Service >> > Task Scheduler >> > TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper >> > Telephony >> > Terminal Services >> > Themes >> > Universal Plug and Play Device Host >> > WebClient >> > Windows Audio >> > Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) >> > Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) >> > Windows Management Instrumentation >> > Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service >> > Windows Time >> > Wireless Zero Configuration >> > Workstation >> > >> > The command completed successfully. >> > >> > >> > Image Name PID Services >> > ========================= ====== >> > ============================================= >> > System Idle Process 0 N/A >> > System 4 N/A >> > smss.exe 920 N/A >> > csrss.exe 976 N/A >> > winlogon.exe 1004 N/A >> > services.exe 1048 Eventlog, PlugPlay >> > lsass.exe 1060 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs >> > ati2evxx.exe 1244 Ati HotKey Poller >> > svchost.exe 1260 DcomLaunch, TermService >> > svchost.exe 1340 RpcSs >> > svchost.exe 1464 AudioSrv, BITS, Browser, CryptSvc, >> > Dhcp, >> > dmserver, ERSvc, EventSystem, >> > FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, >> > helpsvc, >> > lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, >> > Netman, >> > Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS, >> > SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, >> > srservice, >> > TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, >> > winmgmt, >> > wuauserv, WZCSVC >> > svchost.exe 1608 Dnscache >> > svchost.exe 1668 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, >> > upnphost, >> > WebClient >> > CCSVCHST.EXE 1716 ccEvtMgr, ccSetMgr, CLTNetCnService, >> > LiveUpdate Notice >> > aawservice.exe 368 aawservice >> > ati2evxx.exe 1444 N/A >> > explorer.exe 1600 N/A >> > spoolsv.exe 180 Spooler >> > AppleMobileDeviceService. 1396 Apple Mobile Device >> > AluSchedulerSvc.exe 1872 Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler >> > mDNSResponder.exe 508 Bonjour Service >> > svchost.exe 788 HTTPFilter >> > SMAgent.exe 1816 SoundMAX Agent Service (default) >> > SMax4PNP.exe 880 N/A >> > SMax4.exe 948 N/A >> > jusched.exe 1200 N/A >> > svchost.exe 324 stisvc >> > CLI.exe 2156 N/A >> > wmpnetwk.exe 2160 WMPNetworkSvc >> > CCSVCHST.EXE 2360 N/A >> > hpgs2wnd.exe 2620 N/A >> > iTunesHelper.exe 2752 N/A >> > GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe 2812 N/A >> > hpgs2wnf.exe 2828 N/A >> > ctfmon.exe 2868 N/A >> > msmsgs.exe 3316 N/A >> > wmpnscfg.exe 3648 N/A >> > Hotsync.exe 3956 N/A >> > iPodService.exe 1800 iPod Service >> > alg.exe 2740 ALG >> > symlcsvc.exe 4088 Symantec Core LC >> > CLI.exe 1484 N/A >> > CLI.exe 3360 N/A >> > rundll32.exe 3376 N/A >> > aolsoftware.exe 1704 N/A >> > AOLSP Scheduler.exe 1972 N/A >> > aolsoftware.exe 2964 N/A >> > AOLacsd.exe 2312 N/A >> > waol.exe 184 N/A >> > shellmon.exe 2184 N/A >> > cmd.exe 2516 N/A >> > tasklist.exe 2552 N/A >> > wmiprvse.exe 2944 N/A >> > >> > >> > "John John (MVP)" wrote: >> > >> > >> >>Let's have a look at these zillions of processes. At a Command Prompt >> >>issue the following commands, pressing enter after each: >> >> >> >>net start >C:\Startlist.txt >> >>tasklist /svc >>C:\Startlist.txt >> >> >> >>Note the single redirector ">" in the first command and the double one >> >>">>" in the second command. After you run the commands find and paste >> >>the contents of the Startlist.txt file to your next post so we can have >> >>a quick look at your running processes. >> >> >> >>Windows XP Home doesn't include the Tasklist.exe utility, I can't >> >>figure >> >>out why Microsoft excludes this utility from the Home Edition, but you >> >>can download a copy of it here: >> >>http://www.computerhope.com/download/winxp.htm >> >> >> >>In addition to the sites that Daave gave you you might also find the >> >>following to be useful: >> >> >> >>Services Guide for Windows XP >> >>http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm >> >> >> >>Windows XP x86 (32-bit) Service Pack 3 Service Configurations >> >>http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm >> >> >> >>John >> >> >> >>JohnD wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Not to walk over Daave, but in his reply to me he mentioned that there >> >>>would >> >>>be processes running in the background. I have replied to him that >> >>>there are >> >>>zillions of them. It seems to me that your explanation to me must >> >>>apply to >> >>>these processes, because after all they are also programs. >> >>> >> >>>So the question that comes to my mind is whether these processes are >> >>>all >> >>>necesesary. Is it possible that some might be associated with >> >>>applications I >> >>>no longer have? Or that they have been installed without my knowledge >> >>>off the >> >>>Internet? Is there a way I can find out and get rid of the >> >>>unnecessary ones? >> >>> >> >>>I thhought db was suggesting ways I could do this, but apparently what >> >>>he >> >>>was suggesting was going to do something else. >> >>> >> >>>Certainly my computer has become much slower than it used to be. I >> >>>have a >> >>>3.0 gig Pentium 4 processor and apparently a half gig of available >> >>>memory, >> >>>but it takes forever to load Microsoft Word, say, or AOL. >> >>> >> >>>"John John (MVP)" wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Don't listen to that db character and don't use that crap that he >> >>>>recommends. Memory optimizers/defragers are nothing more than snake >> >>>>oil, they provide absolutely no useful benefit to the memory >> >>>>management >> >>>>of your Windows installation, quite to the contrary they create havoc >> >>>>and force disk paging in order to create an illusion that they have >> >>>>freed memory! >> >>>> >> >>>>These optimizers work by making demands on the Windows Memory Manager >> >>>>for a rapidly and steeply increasing amount of memory to the point >> >>>>where >> >>>>the Windows Memory Manager pushes all the pageable code and data to >> >>>>the >> >>>>pagefile to satisfy the demand. Once the code and data for all the >> >>>>other applications (the Working Sets) has been paged out the snake >> >>>>oil >> >>>>program then tells the Windows Memory Manager that it no longer needs >> >>>>the memory that it asked for and it releases it, this creates an >> >>>>illusion that memory has appeared out of nowheres. >> >>>> >> >>>>The only problem with that is that all the other applications and >> >>>>pageable system processes are now in the pagefile and that anything >> >>>>that >> >>>>you do that needs the paged out code and data takes an eternity to >> >>>>run >> >>>>because it has to get it from the pagefile, in many instances some >> >>>>applications will simply crash! Things like using your web browser's >> >>>>"Back" button to go to a previous page or reopening a Word document >> >>>>that >> >>>>you had open only 30 seconds ago will now take forever! Even certain >> >>>>Windows functions will lag and be sluggish. >> >>>> >> >>>>The funny thing about all of this nonsense is that the snake oil >> >>>>memory >> >>>>optimizer cannot do anything on its own, like all other applications >> >>>>and >> >>>>processes it cannot manage memory at all, the Windows Memory Manager >> >>>>does *absolutely* not permit this, all that the rogue application can >> >>>>do >> >>>>is ask the Windows Memory Manager for RAM and then close the process >> >>>>demanding the RAM or have the process "unallocate" the RAM. Yet even >> >>>>more of a silly thing is that if you open an application, like lets >> >>>>say >> >>>>Word, it will ask for a certain amount of RAM and the Windows Memory >> >>>>Manager will comply, just as it did for the snake oil, and if needed >> >>>>it >> >>>>will page out code and data just as it did for the snake oil. Once >> >>>>your >> >>>>Word program is up and running if you want to open documents the same >> >>>>thing happens all over again. The difference is that the Windows >> >>>>Memory >> >>>>Manager will do this in a measured orderly manner as demanded by the >> >>>>properly designed application instead of in a completely reckless >> >>>>manner >> >>>>as demanded from a rogue snake oil program! >> >>>> >> >>>>John >> >>>> >> >>>>JohnD wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>Thanks for your response. Perhaps you might read my response to >> >>>>>Bruce. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>"db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>the helpful response >> >>>>>>would be for the o.p. >> >>>>>>to add up the consumption >> >>>>>>used by the processes >> >>>>>>running in memory. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>but what would a troll >> >>>>>>like you know, except >> >>>>>>being a smart-as* >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>-- >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
Guest John John (MVP) Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: Physical Memory Taking a long time to load Word documents? Maybe Symantec is scanning each doc for virus before the document opens? This is known to slow things down considerably. As you probably already know Windows XP Professional is designed to be part of a network and as such by default it automatically starts many network services when it is booted. When the machine is not part of a network these services should not be started: Computer Browser Server TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Workstation I would simply Disable the Server service and set the others to Manual start. Additionally you should probably stop these services from starting automatically, most people with single user machines that aren't part of a network don't need these services running: Fast User Switching Compatibility Remote Registry SSDP Discovery Service Terminal Services Universal Plug and Play Device Host WebClient Also, these are not really needed: Error Reporting Service (Sends Error Messages to Microsoft) Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service (Self explanatory, do you use MS Media Player to share stuff?) Wireless Zero Configuration (If you don't have wireless devices you really don't need this) Consult the sites you were referred to in the earlier posts for more information on these and other services which are running on your machine. John JohnD wrote: > Thanks for your help, John. You have given me quite a lot to do an also > eased some concerns and I appreciate it. > > I must say that even after I will have done all that you suggest, I wonder > if my slowness problem will have been resolved. After all, I do have about a > half gig of available memory so it seems strange that after having loaded > Microsoft Word it should take so long to display a document. It used to be > almost instant. > > To answer your questions - I am on a home network and I am the only user of > this PC. > > "John John (MVP)" wrote: > > >>Well, the reason I wanted you to post the list was to see if any virus >>or spyware would have shown as being present, at a quick look I don't >>see anything there that looks like malware so that would seem to be >>eliminated as a cause of your slowness problems. One big hog that I see >>there is Symantec, you may want to reconsider your use of this AV >>program, there are much lighter AV programs available, Avast for one is >>much less demanding than Symantec. >> >>Other than that you will just have to go thru the list and consult the >>web sites that we pointed you to earlier and decide for yourself what it >>is that you really need running, if you see things in there that you >>only use once in a blue moon then you should remove them from the >>startup location. To disable the unneeded items you can go in the >>programs that you want to remove from the startup and see if they have >>an option to turn off the boot time autostart, the well written and >>graceful programs always give an option to turn off the start at boot. >>For the not so well behaved programs you can use utilities like Autoruns >>that Daave suggested, or the built-in Windows Msconfig utility. I also >>like this little utility, http://codestuff.tripod.com/ it is small and >>easy to use, it has a very nice GUI, plus it will keep a list of what >>you disabled so it is easy to later undo changes if you want to >>re-enable them. Keep in mind that almost all of the utilities that you >>remove from the list will still work just fine when or if you start them >>manually. >> >>As a first candidate for removal from your startup list I nominate >>ati2evxx.exe, look here for it and see if you really need this running: >>http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist_a.htm >> >>As for the services just use the Windows Services Management Console to >>change the startup type of the unwanted or unneeded services or look in >>the software that owns the service to see if it can be disabled. You >>can print the output list from the Net Start command and use it as a >>record keeping aid to keep track of the changes that you make with the >>services. >> >>Is your computer on a home network or is it a stand alone? Are you the >>only user or do other users also use it? >> >>John >> >> >>JohnD wrote: >> >> >>>Here's the list. Actually, looking at the items, I suppose they basically >>>look reasonable. By the way, I have XP Pro, so I guess I have Tasklist.exe. >>>What would I do with it? >>> >>>These Windows services are started: >>> >>> Apple Mobile Device >>> Application Layer Gateway Service >>> Ati HotKey Poller >>> Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler >>> Automatic Updates >>> Background Intelligent Transfer Service >>> Bonjour Service >>> COM+ Event System >>> Computer Browser >>> Cryptographic Services >>> DCOM Server Process Launcher >>> DHCP Client >>> Distributed Link Tracking Client >>> DNS Client >>> Error Reporting Service >>> Event Log >>> Fast User Switching Compatibility >>> Help and Support >>> HTTP SSL >>> iPod Service >>> IPSEC Services >>> Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service >>> LiveUpdate Notice >>> Logical Disk Manager >>> Network Connections >>> Network Location Awareness (NLA) >>> Plug and Play >>> Print Spooler >>> Protected Storage >>> Remote Access Connection Manager >>> Remote Procedure Call (RPC) >>> Remote Registry >>> Secondary Logon >>> Security Accounts Manager >>> Server >>> Shell Hardware Detection >>> SoundMAX Agent Service >>> SSDP Discovery Service >>> Symantec Core LC >>> Symantec Event Manager >>> Symantec Lic NetConnect service >>> Symantec Settings Manager >>> System Event Notification >>> System Restore Service >>> Task Scheduler >>> TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper >>> Telephony >>> Terminal Services >>> Themes >>> Universal Plug and Play Device Host >>> WebClient >>> Windows Audio >>> Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) >>> Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) >>> Windows Management Instrumentation >>> Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service >>> Windows Time >>> Wireless Zero Configuration >>> Workstation >>> >>>The command completed successfully. >>> >>> >>>Image Name PID Services >>>========================= ====== ============================================= >>>System Idle Process 0 N/A >>>System 4 N/A >>>smss.exe 920 N/A >>>csrss.exe 976 N/A >>>winlogon.exe 1004 N/A >>>services.exe 1048 Eventlog, PlugPlay >>>lsass.exe 1060 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs >>>ati2evxx.exe 1244 Ati HotKey Poller >>>svchost.exe 1260 DcomLaunch, TermService >>>svchost.exe 1340 RpcSs >>>svchost.exe 1464 AudioSrv, BITS, Browser, CryptSvc, Dhcp, >>> dmserver, ERSvc, EventSystem, >>> FastUserSwitchingCompatibility, helpsvc, >>> lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman, >>> Nla, RasMan, Schedule, seclogon, SENS, >>> SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, srservice, >>> TapiSrv, Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt, >>> wuauserv, WZCSVC >>>svchost.exe 1608 Dnscache >>>svchost.exe 1668 LmHosts, RemoteRegistry, SSDPSRV, upnphost, >>> WebClient >>>CCSVCHST.EXE 1716 ccEvtMgr, ccSetMgr, CLTNetCnService, >>> LiveUpdate Notice >>>aawservice.exe 368 aawservice >>>ati2evxx.exe 1444 N/A >>>explorer.exe 1600 N/A >>>spoolsv.exe 180 Spooler >>>AppleMobileDeviceService. 1396 Apple Mobile Device >>>AluSchedulerSvc.exe 1872 Automatic LiveUpdate Scheduler >>>mDNSResponder.exe 508 Bonjour Service >>>svchost.exe 788 HTTPFilter >>>SMAgent.exe 1816 SoundMAX Agent Service (default) >>>SMax4PNP.exe 880 N/A >>>SMax4.exe 948 N/A >>>jusched.exe 1200 N/A >>>svchost.exe 324 stisvc >>>CLI.exe 2156 N/A >>>wmpnetwk.exe 2160 WMPNetworkSvc >>>CCSVCHST.EXE 2360 N/A >>>hpgs2wnd.exe 2620 N/A >>>iTunesHelper.exe 2752 N/A >>>GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe 2812 N/A >>>hpgs2wnf.exe 2828 N/A >>>ctfmon.exe 2868 N/A >>>msmsgs.exe 3316 N/A >>>wmpnscfg.exe 3648 N/A >>>Hotsync.exe 3956 N/A >>>iPodService.exe 1800 iPod Service >>>alg.exe 2740 ALG >>>symlcsvc.exe 4088 Symantec Core LC >>>CLI.exe 1484 N/A >>>CLI.exe 3360 N/A >>>rundll32.exe 3376 N/A >>>aolsoftware.exe 1704 N/A >>>AOLSP Scheduler.exe 1972 N/A >>>aolsoftware.exe 2964 N/A >>>AOLacsd.exe 2312 N/A >>>waol.exe 184 N/A >>>shellmon.exe 2184 N/A >>>cmd.exe 2516 N/A >>>tasklist.exe 2552 N/A >>>wmiprvse.exe 2944 N/A >>> >>> >>>"John John (MVP)" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Let's have a look at these zillions of processes. At a Command Prompt >>>>issue the following commands, pressing enter after each: >>>> >>>>net start >C:\Startlist.txt >>>>tasklist /svc >>C:\Startlist.txt >>>> >>>>Note the single redirector ">" in the first command and the double one >>>>">>" in the second command. After you run the commands find and paste >>>>the contents of the Startlist.txt file to your next post so we can have >>>>a quick look at your running processes. >>>> >>>>Windows XP Home doesn't include the Tasklist.exe utility, I can't figure >>>>out why Microsoft excludes this utility from the Home Edition, but you >>>>can download a copy of it here: >>>>http://www.computerhope.com/download/winxp.htm >>>> >>>>In addition to the sites that Daave gave you you might also find the >>>>following to be useful: >>>> >>>>Services Guide for Windows XP >>>>http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm >>>> >>>>Windows XP x86 (32-bit) Service Pack 3 Service Configurations >>>>http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>>JohnD wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Not to walk over Daave, but in his reply to me he mentioned that there would >>>>>be processes running in the background. I have replied to him that there are >>>>>zillions of them. It seems to me that your explanation to me must apply to >>>>>these processes, because after all they are also programs. >>>>> >>>>>So the question that comes to my mind is whether these processes are all >>>>>necesesary. Is it possible that some might be associated with applications I >>>>>no longer have? Or that they have been installed without my knowledge off the >>>>>Internet? Is there a way I can find out and get rid of the unnecessary ones? >>>>> >>>>>I thhought db was suggesting ways I could do this, but apparently what he >>>>>was suggesting was going to do something else. >>>>> >>>>>Certainly my computer has become much slower than it used to be. I have a >>>>>3.0 gig Pentium 4 processor and apparently a half gig of available memory, >>>>>but it takes forever to load Microsoft Word, say, or AOL. >>>>> >>>>>"John John (MVP)" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Don't listen to that db character and don't use that crap that he >>>>>>recommends. Memory optimizers/defragers are nothing more than snake >>>>>>oil, they provide absolutely no useful benefit to the memory management >>>>>>of your Windows installation, quite to the contrary they create havoc >>>>>>and force disk paging in order to create an illusion that they have >>>>>>freed memory! >>>>>> >>>>>>These optimizers work by making demands on the Windows Memory Manager >>>>>>for a rapidly and steeply increasing amount of memory to the point where >>>>>>the Windows Memory Manager pushes all the pageable code and data to the >>>>>>pagefile to satisfy the demand. Once the code and data for all the >>>>>>other applications (the Working Sets) has been paged out the snake oil >>>>>>program then tells the Windows Memory Manager that it no longer needs >>>>>>the memory that it asked for and it releases it, this creates an >>>>>>illusion that memory has appeared out of nowheres. >>>>>> >>>>>>The only problem with that is that all the other applications and >>>>>>pageable system processes are now in the pagefile and that anything that >>>>>>you do that needs the paged out code and data takes an eternity to run >>>>>>because it has to get it from the pagefile, in many instances some >>>>>>applications will simply crash! Things like using your web browser's >>>>>>"Back" button to go to a previous page or reopening a Word document that >>>>>>you had open only 30 seconds ago will now take forever! Even certain >>>>>>Windows functions will lag and be sluggish. >>>>>> >>>>>>The funny thing about all of this nonsense is that the snake oil memory >>>>>>optimizer cannot do anything on its own, like all other applications and >>>>>>processes it cannot manage memory at all, the Windows Memory Manager >>>>>>does *absolutely* not permit this, all that the rogue application can do >>>>>>is ask the Windows Memory Manager for RAM and then close the process >>>>>>demanding the RAM or have the process "unallocate" the RAM. Yet even >>>>>>more of a silly thing is that if you open an application, like lets say >>>>>>Word, it will ask for a certain amount of RAM and the Windows Memory >>>>>>Manager will comply, just as it did for the snake oil, and if needed it >>>>>>will page out code and data just as it did for the snake oil. Once your >>>>>>Word program is up and running if you want to open documents the same >>>>>>thing happens all over again. The difference is that the Windows Memory >>>>>>Manager will do this in a measured orderly manner as demanded by the >>>>>>properly designed application instead of in a completely reckless manner >>>>>>as demanded from a rogue snake oil program! >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>>JohnD wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for your response. Perhaps you might read my response to Bruce. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>the helpful response >>>>>>>>would be for the o.p. >>>>>>>>to add up the consumption >>>>>>>>used by the processes >>>>>>>>running in memory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>but what would a troll >>>>>>>>like you know, except >>>>>>>>being a smart-as* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
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