Guest sarahandus Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from MS DOS. How can I manage this dual boot?
Guest John John (MVP) Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP The easiest way to do this would be by using a third party boot manager like BootItNg or XOSL. John sarahandus wrote: > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from MS > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot?
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FE9C9ED2-C94D-436C-90F3-F3C0E36708B3@microsoft.com... >I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the > C > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from > MS > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? Which third-party boot manager? You can easily do this by installing XOSL (a free boot manager) on your Win95 disk. This requires no BIOS change and is completely reversible. Post again if you need further details.
Guest John John (MVP) Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP You can do it without a third party boot manager but you will have to place the Windows 95 disk in a Primary Master position. It isn't all that hard to do but it takes a bit of fiddling about. If you want to go it that way (instead of using a boot manager) post again. John John John (MVP) wrote: > The easiest way to do this would be by using a third party boot manager > like BootItNg or XOSL. > > John > > sarahandus wrote: > >> I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I >> have found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots >> into the C drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that >> only made the 2nd drive disappear from the system. If I change the >> BIOS to boot from a CD drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message >> that it can only work from MS DOS. How can I manage this dual boot?
Guest philo Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FE9C9ED2-C94D-436C-90F3-F3C0E36708B3@microsoft.com... > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from MS > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? Any machine that's good enough to run XP is unlikely to run win95. Win95 usually requires a patch to run on a cpu over 300 mhz and unless win95 can be booted to safe mode, it needs to be manually extracted and installed from dos. Also: from my experimentation, the patch does not always work. Additionally, not likely to have any drivers for the newer chipsets, though that alone would not prevent Win95 from running. If you really want to run Win95 I suggest running it in a virtual machine
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted September 6, 2008 Posted September 6, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP sarahandus wrote: > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from MS > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? If your C: drive is formatted using the FAT32 file system, MS-MVP Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions that can be adapted to Win95: Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed. http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm Otherwise: The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows: C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s) size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its applications. Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.) Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify "D:\Winnt" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winnt" as referred/applicable) when asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as FAT32. This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the second operating system on the second hard drive. It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the program files could be located on this common partition. I do not, however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial installation data during the first uninstall action. Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap): http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:uI3%23UHHEJHA.3844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > You can do it without a third party boot manager but you will have to > place the Windows 95 disk in a Primary Master position. It isn't all that > hard to do but it takes a bit of fiddling about. If you want to go it > that way (instead of using a boot manager) post again. > > John > If the OP uses XOSL then he can leave his WinXP disk in the master position. XOSL will replace the MBR, then cause the boot process to invoke the XOSL boot manager which would be located on the Win95 disk.
Guest Anteaus Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP I could also sugggest taking a look at virtualisation servers. There are several free ones available, from Microsoft, Vmware (server version is free) and Virtualbox. Advantage over dual-booting is that you don't need to keep -well, rebooting, you can run both simultaneously. There are some limitations in terms of that you can do in a VM, but they meet most requirements for testing software, etc. It also allows you to run an older OS on a mobo for which no drivers are available, since the OS 'sees' standardised hardware instead of that of the mobo. "Bruce Chambers" wrote: > sarahandus wrote: > > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C > > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from MS > > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? > > > If your C: drive is formatted using the FAT32 file system, MS-MVP > Doug Knox has kindly provided clear instructions that can be adapted to > Win95: > > Install Windows 98 after XP is Installed. > http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_repair_9x.htm > > Otherwise: > > The simplest way I've found to dual boot between Win9x/Me and WinXP > would be to partition your drive(s) roughly as follows: > > C: Primary FAT32 Win9x/Me/Legacy Apps > D: Extended NTFS WinXP/Modern Apps > > Adjust the partition sizes according to your actual hard drive(s) > size and the amount of space you'd like to allocate to each OS and its > applications. > > Create the partitions using Win9x's FDISK so you can enable large > disk support (FAT32). (No need for 3rd party partitioning > utilities/boot managers and their frequent complications.) > > Install Win9x/Me first, being sure to select "C:\Windows" (or > D:\Windows, if you prefer) when asked for the default Windows > directory. When you subsequently install WinXP, be sure to specify > "D:\Winnt" (or "D:\Windows," "C:\Winnt" as referred/applicable) when > asked for the default Windows directory, to place it in the other > partition. The WinXP installation routine will automatically set up a > Multi-boot menu for you. The default settings for this menu can be > readily edited from within WinXP. NOTE: If you elect to place > Win9x/Me on the "D:" drive, you'll _have_ to leave the "C:" drive as > FAT32. > > This method can be adapted to using 2 physical hard drives by > placing the boot partition (C:, which still must be FAT32) and either > of the operating systems on the Primary Master hard drive, and the > second operating system on the second hard drive. > > It is also possible to have a 3rd partition for shared > applications, but it would be necessary for such a partition to be > formatted in the common file format (FAT32). The applications would > also have to be installed into each OS (to ensure proper system file > placement and registry updates), one at a time, but the bulk of the > program files could be located on this common partition. I do not, > however, actually recommend doing this as, if you were to uninstall > such an application from one OS, you may not be able to gracefully > uninstall it from the second OS, having already deleted crucial > installation data during the first uninstall action. > > Just about everything you need to know (URLs may wrap): > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q217/2/10.ASP > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gettingstarted/multiboot.asp > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot >
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:13841EF9-CAF3-4AA2-8D70-144FCF513B81@microsoft.com... >I could also sugggest taking a look at virtualisation servers. > > There are several free ones available, from Microsoft, Vmware (server > version is free) and Virtualbox. > > Advantage over dual-booting is that you don't need to keep -well, > rebooting, > you can run both simultaneously. There are some limitations in terms of > that > you can do in a VM, but they meet most requirements for testing software, > etc. It also allows you to run an older OS on a mobo for which no drivers > are > available, since the OS 'sees' standardised hardware instead of that of > the > mobo. E.g. from here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx
Guest John John (MVP) Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP Pegasus (MVP) wrote: > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:uI3%23UHHEJHA.3844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>You can do it without a third party boot manager but you will have to >>place the Windows 95 disk in a Primary Master position. It isn't all that >>hard to do but it takes a bit of fiddling about. If you want to go it >>that way (instead of using a boot manager) post again. >> >>John >> > > > If the OP uses XOSL then he can leave his WinXP disk in the master position. > XOSL will replace the MBR, then cause the boot process to invoke the XOSL > boot manager which would be located on the Win95 disk. That (using XOSL) would certainly be the easiest way to go about it, plus it's free! John
Guest sarahandus Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP I did put the 2nd disc in the 1st boot position in the BIOS, but that just delayed the startup. I have 2 physical hard drive discs installed on the PC. I do not want to disturb the C disc with XP, it is running beautifully and trouble free. I want to install 95 on the other disc to play the older games - hopefully. pegasus, It wasn't a boot manager, but a partition manager because I wanted to partition the 95 disc. (Paragon Partition Personal) Would it work if I disabled the XP disc, disconnecting it and starting up with a Win 98 startup disc? "John John (MVP)" wrote: > You can do it without a third party boot manager but you will have to > place the Windows 95 disk in a Primary Master position. It isn't all > that hard to do but it takes a bit of fiddling about. If you want to go > it that way (instead of using a boot manager) post again. > > John > > John John (MVP) wrote: > > > The easiest way to do this would be by using a third party boot manager > > like BootItNg or XOSL. > > > > John > > > > sarahandus wrote: > > > >> I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I > >> have found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots > >> into the C drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that > >> only made the 2nd drive disappear from the system. If I change the > >> BIOS to boot from a CD drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message > >> that it can only work from MS DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? >
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B9178467-AF66-438B-B86A-2EC4EA6E0FAA@microsoft.com... >I did put the 2nd disc in the 1st boot position in the BIOS, but that just > delayed the startup. I have 2 physical hard drive discs installed on the > PC. I do not want to disturb the C disc with XP, it is running > beautifully > and trouble free. I want to install 95 on the other disc to play the > older > games - hopefully. > > pegasus, > It wasn't a boot manager, but a partition manager because I wanted to > partition the 95 disc. (Paragon Partition Personal) > > Would it work if I disabled the XP disc, disconnecting it and starting up > with a Win 98 startup disc? Yes, it might, depending on your BIOS - why not give it a try?
Guest sarahandus Posted September 7, 2008 Posted September 7, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "philo" wrote: > > "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:FE9C9ED2-C94D-436C-90F3-F3C0E36708B3@microsoft.com... > > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the > C > > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from > MS > > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? > > > Any machine that's good enough to run XP is unlikely to run win95. > > Win95 usually requires a patch to run on a cpu over 300 mhz > and unless win95 can be booted to safe mode, it needs to be manually > extracted and installed from dos. Also: > from my experimentation, the patch does not always work. > > Additionally, not likely to have any drivers for the newer chipsets, > though that alone would not prevent Win95 from running. > > If you really want to run Win95 I suggest running it in a virtual machine > > > Since all other option failed, I'll look into VM. Especially since I already have a copy. Thanks all~
Guest philo Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EB238761-67B1-45E4-873F-56D2B05D74A4@microsoft.com... > > > "philo" wrote: > > > > > "sarahandus" <sarahandus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:FE9C9ED2-C94D-436C-90F3-F3C0E36708B3@microsoft.com... > > > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > > > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the > > C > > > drive with XP. Have tried a partition manager but that only made the 2nd > > > drive disappear from the system. If I change the BIOS to boot from a CD > > > drive the Win95 will start, but I get a message that it can only work from > > MS > > > DOS. How can I manage this dual boot? > > > > > > Any machine that's good enough to run XP is unlikely to run win95. > > > > Win95 usually requires a patch to run on a cpu over 300 mhz > > and unless win95 can be booted to safe mode, it needs to be manually > > extracted and installed from dos. Also: > > from my experimentation, the patch does not always work. > > > > Additionally, not likely to have any drivers for the newer chipsets, > > though that alone would not prevent Win95 from running. > > > > If you really want to run Win95 I suggest running it in a virtual machine > > > > > > > Since all other option failed, I'll look into VM. Especially since I > already have a copy. > > Thanks all~ It should work...but post back with the results.
Guest Plato Posted September 9, 2008 Posted September 9, 2008 Re: dual boot with Win95 and XP =?Utf-8?B?c2FyYWhhbmR1cw==?= wrote: > > I have installed a 2nd hard drive to boot into Win 95, but so far I have > found no way to install the 95 on the new drive. Pc always boots into the C Booting to win95 is a waste of time. If you want win95, then use win95B or win95B w/usb disk. -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
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