Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system >clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I >deleted the program. I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation What values do you have for the following paramaters: "ActiveTimeBias" "StandardName" "DaylightName" "Bias" - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:00:24 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put >finger to keyboard and composed: > >>I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system >>clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I >>deleted the program. > >I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > >What values do you have for the following paramaters: > > "ActiveTimeBias" > "StandardName" > "DaylightName" > "Bias" I'm wondering if the "ActiveTimeBias" has been incorrectly set to "C0 03 00 00" (ie +960 minutes). If so, then you might like to try changing your time zone to some other, apply the change, and then change back to your preferred time zone. Maybe this procedure will reset the above parameters, assuming they are broken. If the numbers are still wrong, then you could manually edit them, or look for damage in some other registry key. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? The data in that CurrentControlSet key derives from the appropriate sub-key in HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\<your time zone>. (In NT systems, it's \Windows NT\ instead of \Windows\.) The data is written when you Apply a new Time Zone. The first thing to do if you suspect corruption of that key is to choose a different time zone, apply it, and then reset to the desired TZ. If the corruption is still there, then the info in the above key is the problem. I have a download that replaces the entire TZ key with current settings, up to date -- except for Pakistan's, where they recently changed the law without much warning. I still don't know what their new law(s) prescribe for Standard and Daylight times. I need to find out and update the file. This article is the jumping off point: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Note that you may want to take the file apart and inspect the REG files. Running the EXE includes a script that uses the SendKeys method, so keep your hands off the keyboard and just watch the show unless prompted. If the script stalls or does not execute at all (lots of possible reasons), don't worry. Just Merge the appropriate REG file and then change the TZ in the Time/Date applet, apply, and then change it back. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:0ju9d4hh5dns3gvet70qloegnndm3kat2n@4ax.com... > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:15:32 +1000, Alan Edwards > <edwards@southcom.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed: > >>On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:39:33 -0400, in >>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" >><PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>><snip> >>>> UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then >>>> the >>>> date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008. >>> >>>And if you were, in fact, in WA and your date was correct, the UTC offset >>>(right now) would be +0800 >> >>That's better. >>AFAIK, there is no such thing as UTC -1600, despite it showing in his >>headers. >> >>...Alan > > When I change my time zone, this is one registry key that is affected: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > > The "ActiveTimeBias" and "Bias" parameters appear to hold the UTC > offset. > > For example, these are the values of the affected parameters for my > time zone (GMT +1000). > > "ActiveTimeBias"=hex:a8,fd,ff,ff > "StandardName"="AUS Eastern Standard Time" > "DaylightName"="AUS Eastern Daylight Time" > "Bias"=hex:a8,fd,ff,ff > > The bias value of 0xfffffda8 is equal to -600 decimal. This appears to > be the UTC offset in minutes. > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put >> finger to keyboard and composed: >> >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... >> >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 >> >> ============================================================ >> >> >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). >> > >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: >> >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 >> >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you >> double-click the clock in the Systray? >> >> - Franc Zabkar >> -- >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. > Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on Daylight time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or just go to my site and follow the trail. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is 9 hours before my current time of 8:28 pm. "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:ouaad4tfv554mb0vr2bb20m197ls93hn43@4ax.com... > On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > > >I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system > >clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I > >deleted the program. > > I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > > What values do you have for the following paramaters: > > "ActiveTimeBias" (960) > "StandardName" Pacific Standard Time > "DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time > "Bias" (480) > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? my answer below. "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:5pbad4pc48arh50te62er42hrnm4mudgtd@4ax.com... > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:00:24 +1000, Franc Zabkar > <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: > > >On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >finger to keyboard and composed: > > > >>I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system > >>clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I > >>deleted the program. > > > >I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: > > > >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > > > >What values do you have for the following paramaters: > > > > "ActiveTimeBias" > > "StandardName" > > "DaylightName" > > "Bias" > > I'm wondering if the "ActiveTimeBias" has been incorrectly set to "C0 > 03 00 00" (ie +960 minutes). > > If so, then you might like to try changing your time zone to some > other, apply the change, and then change back to your preferred time > zone. Maybe this procedure will reset the above parameters, assuming > they are broken. If the numbers are still wrong, then you could > manually edit them, or look for damage in some other registry key. > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. Yes! It is 960. What should it be?
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eh64hhnGJHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > <QP> > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600 > </QP> > > Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that > something's still wrong. What did you do? > > UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the > date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008. > > You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be UTC -0700 > for PDT currently). > -- > ~PA Bear > > > DaffyD® wrote: > > How 'bout now? > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. > >> > >> DaffyD® wrote: > >>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >>>> finger to keyboard and composed: > >>>> > >>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see looks > >>>>> fine. > >>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the > >>>>> date/time > >>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. > >>>>> What's > >>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's time > >>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your > >>>>> reply > >>>>> was > >>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be seeing > >>>>> the > >>>>> opposite of what you see? > >>>> > >>>> These are your original headers as I see them: > >>>> > >>>> ============================================================ > >>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? > >>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >>>> Lines: 12 > >>>> X-Priority: 3 > >>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > >>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > >>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 > >>>> ============================================================ > >>>> > >>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific > >>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >>>> > >>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? > >>>> > >>>> - Franc Zabkar > >>>> -- > >>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > >>> > >>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >>> > >>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> > >>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> > >>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> > >>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? > >>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >>> Lines: 51 > >>> X-Priority: 3 > >>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> > >>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > >>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161 >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23JOpvi2GJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... > >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >> finger to keyboard and composed: > >> > >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >> > >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: > >> >> > >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> > >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific > >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >> > > >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >> > >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >> > >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you > >> double-click the clock in the Systray? > >> > >> - Franc Zabkar > >> -- > >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > > > > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. > > > > Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on Daylight > time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or > just go to my site and follow the trail. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > > I used your program and now my system is set 3 hours ahead, which is at least getting closer. I also see that the tech who built this computer is already using TZ Edit. How would I turn this off or delete it?
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23JOpvi2GJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... > >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >> finger to keyboard and composed: > >> > >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >> > >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: > >> >> > >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> > >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific > >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >> > > >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >> > >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >> > >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you > >> double-click the clock in the Systray? > >> > >> - Franc Zabkar > >> -- > >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > > > > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. > > > > Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on Daylight > time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or > just go to my site and follow the trail. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be accurate. >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and >uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is 9 >hours before my current time of 8:28 pm. Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420. Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the following key? HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\Pacific FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ... "Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana" "Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time" "Std"="Pacific Standard Time" "MapID"="32,33" "TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,00,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00,00,\ 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes). >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >news:ouaad4tfv554mb0vr2bb20m197ls93hn43@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put >> finger to keyboard and composed: >> >> >I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system >> >clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I >> >deleted the program. >> >> I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: >> >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation >> >> What values do you have for the following paramaters: >> >> "ActiveTimeBias" (960) >> "StandardName" Pacific Standard Time >> "DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time >> "Bias" (480) - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Sunny Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? Ask here as well ? (Your ISP) CustName: Wave Broadband Address: Private Residence City: Port Orchard StateProv: WA "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:e$$9ui5GJHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Bill, I'm going to ask the tech at work who gave me this computer what > he > thinks is going on. I mean, if the BIOS system clock is OK, and the > Windows > taskbar clock matches my watch, why would D4 synch me up with the > newsgroup > but throw off the Windows clock by 9 hrs? This is one of 2 mysteries > with > this computer that I need to solve. > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:e4$XNdtGJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> I'm using Dimension 4 (D4) too, but I don't have that same problem. > (If >> IT is throwing your clock off by 9 hours, that sounds pretty weird). >> >> DaffyD® wrote: >> > I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my > system >> > clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. >> > So I >> > deleted the program. >> > >> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> > news:%23xqfzOgGJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> Now THAT is much better!! What did you do? >> >> >> >> DaffyD® wrote: >> >>> How 'bout now? >> >>> >> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>>> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. >> >>>> >> >>>> DaffyD® wrote: >> >>>>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >> >>>>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... >> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" >> >>>>>> <daffyd@woohoo.com> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> put finger to keyboard and composed: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see >> >>>>>>> looks >> >>>>>>> fine. >> >>>>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> date/time >> >>>>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not >> >>>>>>> AM. >> >>>>>>> What's >> >>>>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, >> >>>>>>> it's >> >>>>>>> time >> >>>>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see >> >>>>>>> your >> >>>>>>> reply >> >>>>>>> was >> >>>>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be >> >>>>>>> seeing >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> opposite of what you see? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> These are your original headers as I see them: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ============================================================ >> >>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >> >>>>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? >> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 >> >>>>>> Lines: 12 >> >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 >> >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> >>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >> >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >> >>>>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >> >>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >> >>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >> >>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl >> >>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl >> >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 >> >>>>>> ============================================================ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas > Pacific >> >>>>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> - Franc Zabkar >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >> >>>>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >> >>>>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> >> >>>>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> >> >>>>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? >> >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 >> >>>>> Lines: 51 >> >>>>> X-Priority: 3 >> >>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> >>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >> >>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >> >>>>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> >> >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >> >>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >> >>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl >> >>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl >> > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161 >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message news:uax$jL6GJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23JOpvi2GJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message >> news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > >> > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >> > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put >> >> finger to keyboard and composed: >> >> >> >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >> >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================================================ >> >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 >> >> >> ============================================================ >> >> >> >> >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas > Pacific >> >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). >> >> > >> >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: >> >> >> >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 >> >> >> >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you >> >> double-click the clock in the Systray? >> >> >> >> - Franc Zabkar >> >> -- >> >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >> > >> > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. >> > >> >> Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on >> Daylight >> time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or >> just go to my site and follow the trail. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.com >> >> I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now > synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be > accurate. Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix the issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4 being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism in Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys. Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above was released a month ago. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/ I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and serving as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever machine happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up this morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to reincarnate as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short" enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's revolting. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message news:sdf6d4h3pa04hrv74pq98bck5nviedqdfm@4ax.com... > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:02:52 -0600, "Bill in Co." > <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >You post here (which just came in) is dated 07:27 AM tomorrow morning (i.e, > >Thursday, Sept 18)!! (As I write this it is 11 PM, on Wednesday nite, > >Sept 17) > > > >DaffyD® wrote: > >> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see looks > >> fine. > >> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the > >> date/time > >> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. What's > >> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's time > >> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your reply > >> was > >> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be seeing the > >> opposite of what you see? > >> > > The internet is on DRUGS !!!!! > Al Gore forgot to mention this..... :) Whoa, dude. That's why I get high on surfin the 'net. Far out.
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? Bill, I'm going to ask the tech at work who gave me this computer what he thinks is going on. I mean, if the BIOS system clock is OK, and the Windows taskbar clock matches my watch, why would D4 synch me up with the newsgroup but throw off the Windows clock by 9 hrs? This is one of 2 mysteries with this computer that I need to solve. "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:e4$XNdtGJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I'm using Dimension 4 (D4) too, but I don't have that same problem. (If > IT is throwing your clock off by 9 hours, that sounds pretty weird). > > DaffyD® wrote: > > I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system > > clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I > > deleted the program. > > > > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:%23xqfzOgGJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> Now THAT is much better!! What did you do? > >> > >> DaffyD® wrote: > >>> How 'bout now? > >>> > >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >>> news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>>> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. > >>>> > >>>> DaffyD® wrote: > >>>>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>>>> >>>>>> put finger to keyboard and composed: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see > >>>>>>> looks > >>>>>>> fine. > >>>>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the > >>>>>>> date/time > >>>>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. > >>>>>>> What's > >>>>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's > >>>>>>> time > >>>>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your > >>>>>>> reply > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be > >>>>>>> seeing > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> opposite of what you see? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> These are your original headers as I see them: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ============================================================ > >>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >>>>>> Lines: 12 > >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 > >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > >>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 > >>>>>> ============================================================ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific > >>>>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Franc Zabkar > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >>>>> > >>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? > >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >>>>> Lines: 51 > >>>>> X-Priority: 3 > >>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> > >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > >>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161 > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:m5mbd4tlbajed7ioamdug1guiojten1p39@4ax.com... > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > > >my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and > >uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is 9 > >hours before my current time of 8:28 pm. > > Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the > ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420. > > Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the > following key? > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time > Zones\Pacific > > FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ... > > "Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana" > "Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time" > "Std"="Pacific Standard Time" > "MapID"="32,33" > "TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,00,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00, 00,\ > 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 > > As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes). > > >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >news:ouaad4tfv554mb0vr2bb20m197ls93hn43@4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >> finger to keyboard and composed: > >> > >> >I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system > >> >clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I > >> >deleted the program. > >> > >> I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: > >> > >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > >> > >> What values do you have for the following paramaters: > >> > >> "ActiveTimeBias" (960) > >> "StandardName" Pacific Standard Time > >> "DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time > >> "Bias" (480) > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. It may be due to Gary's program, Bias is now 0x000001e0 (480). What did change is that ActiveTimeBias which is now 0x000001a4 (420). The change came out by futzing around with Gary's program, TZEDIT, and then D4. If the headers are still wrong, I'm throwing in the towel. Actually, I'll keep it for a beach towel and head for the Southern California beaches, smack dab in the PDT UTC-7, and where the only headers you see are on muscle cars and surfer dudes wiping out on the big waves. Ciao! -- DaffyD® If I Knew Where I Was I'd Be There Now.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? Screw D4. Uninstall it. UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST), GMT = UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore... PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800) DaffyD® wrote: > I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date > taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone. > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:eh64hhnGJHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> <QP> >> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600 >> </QP> >> >> Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that >> something's still wrong. What did you do? >> >> UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the >> date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008. >> >> You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be >> UTC -0700 >> for PDT currently). >> -- >> ~PA Bear >> >> >> DaffyD® wrote: >>> How 'bout now? >>> >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. >>>> >>>> DaffyD® wrote: >>>>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put >>>>>> finger to keyboard and composed: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see >>>>>>> looks >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the >>>>>>> date/time >>>>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. >>>>>>> What's >>>>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your >>>>>>> reply >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be >>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> opposite of what you see? >>>>>> >>>>>> These are your original headers as I see them: >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================================================ >>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >>>>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 >>>>>> Lines: 12 >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl >>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 >>>>>> ============================================================ >>>>>> >>>>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific >>>>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Franc Zabkar >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >>>>> >>>>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: >>>>> >>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >>>>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >>>>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> >>>>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> >>>>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 >>>>> Lines: 51 >>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >>>>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl >>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161
Guest Bill in Co. Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine over here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with that - as a "solution". PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Screw D4. Uninstall it. > > UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST), > GMT > = UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore... > > PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800) > > DaffyD® wrote: >> I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date >> taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone. >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:eh64hhnGJHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> <QP> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600 >>> </QP> >>> >>> Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that >>> something's still wrong. What did you do? >>> >>> UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the >>> date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008. >>> >>> You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be >>> UTC -0700 >>> for PDT currently). >>> -- >>> ~PA Bear >>> >>> >>> DaffyD® wrote: >>>> How 'bout now? >>>> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. >>>>> >>>>> DaffyD® wrote: >>>>>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> finger to keyboard and composed: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see >>>>>>>> looks >>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the >>>>>>>> date/time >>>>>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. >>>>>>>> What's >>>>>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your >>>>>>>> reply >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be >>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> opposite of what you see? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are your original headers as I see them: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ======================================================== >>>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? >>>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 >>>>>>> Lines: 12 >>>>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >>>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >>>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl >>>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl >>>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 >>>>>>> ======================================================== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas >>>>>>> Pacific >>>>>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Franc Zabkar >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> >>>>>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> >>>>>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> >>>>>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> >>>>>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? >>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 >>>>>> Lines: 51 >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 >>>>>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> >>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion >>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 >>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl >>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl >> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine over >here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with >that - as a "solution". I use WebTime 2000: http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running in the background to consume resources, however small. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Dan Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? Have fun taking a break. BTW, DaffyD, have you fully checked your computer system out for any baddies that may be manipulating your time clock especially since Bill in Co. uses Dimension 4 and Franc uses another time clock program and even with Gary S. Terhune's time clock adjuster your time clock was still wrong. The reason I ask this is that I have had my time clock be off in the past and it was due to mal-ware. This is just a thought and another perspective and please let us know what anti-spyware utilities you use to scan your system as well as the antivirus scanner you are using. Another thing to check is in add/remove programs to make sure there is nothing there that you do not recognize or that seems malicious. I helped out for a week at Camp Stoney this summer again in Santa Fe, New Mexico and of course and no surprise to me that 2 computers were compromised because of the camp counselor's continued use of MySpace, FaceBook and Yahoo programs and junk had gotten in and infected both computers in the same way. I removed the infected programs and ran the appropriate software and fixed them. The 2 computers that were compromised were both running Windows. One of the computers had Windows 2000 Professional and the other computer had Windows XP. There was a 3rd computer that also had Windows XP but this computer just had printer issues so it just took removing the old software and downloading and installing brand new basic printer drivers to get the machine working as normal again. It certainly is fun to work on computers as long as you don't let the machines get the better of you and put the matter in perspective at least that is what helps me deal with electronics when I get frustrated. Have a great week. "DaffyD®" wrote: > > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > news:m5mbd4tlbajed7ioamdug1guiojten1p39@4ax.com... > > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > > finger to keyboard and composed: > > > > >my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and > > >uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is > 9 > > >hours before my current time of 8:28 pm. > > > > Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the > > ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420. > > > > Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the > > following key? > > > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time > > Zones\Pacific > > > > FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ... > > > > "Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana" > > "Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time" > > "Std"="Pacific Standard Time" > > "MapID"="32,33" > > > "TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,00,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00, > 00,\ > > 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 > > > > As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes). > > > > >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > > >news:ouaad4tfv554mb0vr2bb20m197ls93hn43@4ax.com... > > >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > > >> finger to keyboard and composed: > > >> > > >> >I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my > system > > >> >clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So > I > > >> >deleted the program. > > >> > > >> I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key: > > >> > > >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation > > >> > > >> What values do you have for the following paramaters: > > >> > > >> "ActiveTimeBias" (960) > > >> "StandardName" Pacific Standard Time > > >> "DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time > > >> "Bias" (480) > > > > - Franc Zabkar > > -- > > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > > It may be due to Gary's program, Bias is now 0x000001e0 (480). What did > change is that ActiveTimeBias which is now 0x000001a4 (420). The change came > out by futzing around with Gary's program, TZEDIT, and then D4. If the > headers are still wrong, I'm throwing in the towel. Actually, I'll keep it > for a beach towel and head for the Southern California beaches, smack dab in > the PDT UTC-7, and where the only headers you see are on muscle cars and > surfer dudes wiping out on the big waves. Ciao! > -- > DaffyD® > > If I Knew Where I Was I'd Be There Now. > > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ewQxM%237GJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:uax$jL6GJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > > news:%23JOpvi2GJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> > > >> > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... > >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >> >> finger to keyboard and composed: > >> >> > >> >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >> >> > >> >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >> >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas > > Pacific > >> >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >> >> > > >> >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >> >> > >> >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >> >> > >> >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you > >> >> double-click the clock in the Systray? > >> >> > >> >> - Franc Zabkar > >> >> -- > >> >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > >> > > >> > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. > >> > > >> > >> Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on > >> Daylight > >> time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or > >> just go to my site and follow the trail. > >> > >> -- > >> Gary S. Terhune > >> MS-MVP Shell/User > >> http://grystmill.com > >> > >> I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now > > synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be > > accurate. > > Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix the > issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4 > being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very > interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism in > Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys. > > Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above was > released a month ago. > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/ > > I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's > Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only > monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short > depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and serving > as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever machine > happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up this > morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to reincarnate > as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed > tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's > not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short" > enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat > panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's > revolting. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > I'm sorry about the monitor problem. I've used the same one for over 10 years. It developed display problems. Now I'm using a castoff from where I work. If I could afford to buy a new monitor it would come with a new computer, Gary. Anyway, your program was part of the fix. I remember that I installed it but the time still wasn't right. I used D4 to query one of the servers and the correct time was displayed on the taskbar. I think your program was the key to D4 getting it right. Since things seem to be working again, do you think I should still download your program update? > >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? I believe I've got it fixed now--how do the headers look? "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%231PrhRCHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Screw D4. Uninstall it. > > UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST), GMT > = UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore... > > PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800) > > DaffyD® wrote: > > I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date > > taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone. > > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:eh64hhnGJHA.4600@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> <QP> > >> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600 > >> </QP> > >> > >> Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that > >> something's still wrong. What did you do? > >> > >> UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the > >> date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008. > >> > >> You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be > >> UTC -0700 > >> for PDT currently). > >> -- > >> ~PA Bear > >> > >> > >> DaffyD® wrote: > >>> How 'bout now? > >>> > >>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >>> news:%23PusV1fGJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >>>> And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy. > >>>> > >>>> DaffyD® wrote: > >>>>> "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >>>>> news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >>>>>> finger to keyboard and composed: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see > >>>>>>> looks > >>>>>>> fine. > >>>>>>> I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the > >>>>>>> date/time > >>>>>>> properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. > >>>>>>> What's > >>>>>>> strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's > >>>>>>> time > >>>>>>> stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your > >>>>>>> reply > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be > >>>>>>> seeing > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> opposite of what you see? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> These are your original headers as I see them: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ============================================================ > >>>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>>>> Subject: Posting In The Future? > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >>>>>> Lines: 12 > >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 > >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>>> Message-ID: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > >>>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > >>>>>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131 > >>>>>> ============================================================ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific > >>>>>> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Franc Zabkar > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >>>>> > >>>>> From: "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> > >>>>> References: <OZaDVAUGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <#wPuuGUGJHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <eGb#taUGJHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> > >>>>> <a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Posting In The Future? > >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >>>>> Lines: 51 > >>>>> X-Priority: 3 > >>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 > >>>>> Message-ID: <#heEuJfGJHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> > >>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion > >>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109 > >>>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > >>>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl > > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845161 >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ewQxM%237GJHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > news:uax$jL6GJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > > news:%23JOpvi2GJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:ePg7xOtGJHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> > > >> > "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> > news:ip26d4lqaltjfo8adt5ardbvv05rtoqdq5@4ax.com... > >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > >> >> finger to keyboard and composed: > >> >> > >> >> >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message > >> >> >news:a7p3d45r371bnvpsfnct9qpvu5iesf020r@4ax.com... > >> >> > >> >> >> These are your original headers as I see them: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600 > >> >> >> ============================================================ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas > > Pacific > >> >> >> Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada). > >> >> > > >> >> >Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago: > >> >> > >> >> >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600 > >> >> > >> >> You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you > >> >> double-click the clock in the Systray? > >> >> > >> >> - Franc Zabkar > >> >> -- > >> >> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. > >> > > >> > (GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana. > >> > > >> > >> Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on > >> Daylight > >> time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or > >> just go to my site and follow the trail. > >> > >> -- > >> Gary S. Terhune > >> MS-MVP Shell/User > >> http://grystmill.com > >> > >> I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now > > synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be > > accurate. > > Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix the > issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4 > being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very > interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism in > Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys. > > Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above was > released a month ago. > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/ > > I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's > Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only > monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short > depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and serving > as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever machine > happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up this > morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to reincarnate > as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed > tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's > not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short" > enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat > panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's > revolting. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > Forgot to ask more about TZ Edit. Does it run in the background, like D4, or only when I click the executable? I'm still not sure how it works. Do I need D4 if TZ Edit is already on my computer? Or does your registry fix also negate the need for a time synchonization program? >
Guest DaffyD® Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:2hedd4d15hkkpmrem8i0oellgnk02heddj@4ax.com... > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co." > <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: > > >Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine over > >here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with > >that - as a "solution". > > I use WebTime 2000: > http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html > > I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running > in the background to consume resources, however small. > > - Franc Zabkar > -- > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs? Although the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him.
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:54:08 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >news:2hedd4d15hkkpmrem8i0oellgnk02heddj@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co." >> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >> >> >Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works fine >over >> >here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck with >> >that - as a "solution". >> >> I use WebTime 2000: >> http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html >> >> I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running >> in the background to consume resources, however small. > >Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs? Although >the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him. Yes, I only suggested Web Time because I've had no issues with it. However, Web Time does not have an automatic synch feature, so D4 could be better from that point of view. BTW, why do you keep asking others if your headers look right? Doesn't OE allow you to see them for yourself? I don't use OE, but AIUI the following method displays your email message headers. Perhaps it works for newsgroup posts as well ??? File -> Properties -> Details -> Message Source - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Sunny Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Posting In The Future? "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:d84hd4hsu5jhqkj39u3ribscr5iaaup6u0@4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:54:08 -0700, "DaffyD®" <daffyd@woohoo.com> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > >>"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message >>news:2hedd4d15hkkpmrem8i0oellgnk02heddj@4ax.com... > >>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:03:06 -0600, "Bill in Co." >>> <not_really_here@earthlink.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >>> >>> >Well, D4 is nice in that it keeps the system clock ON TIME (works >>> >fine >>over >>> >here), but if he can't find the problem there, I guess he's stuck >>> >with >>> >that - as a "solution". >>> >>> I use WebTime 2000: >>> http://www.gregorybraun.com/WebTime.html >>> >>> I manually synch my clock once a day. There is no executable running >>> in the background to consume resources, however small. >> >>Wouldn't D4 and Web Time 2000 be very similar types of programs? >>Although >>the picture of Merlin looks really cool. I might switch just for him. > > Yes, I only suggested Web Time because I've had no issues with it. > However, Web Time does not have an automatic synch feature, so D4 > could be better from that point of view. > > BTW, why do you keep asking others if your headers look right? Doesn't > OE allow you to see them for yourself? > > I don't use OE, but AIUI the following method displays your email > message headers. Perhaps it works for newsgroup posts as well ??? > > File -> Properties -> Details -> Message Source OE can also use > Right click on message and select "propperties" :-)
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