Guest MEB Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org _ _ ~~
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) hi, Rick "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and should be > changed to http://peoplescounsel.org > > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or > otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. > > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.org > _ _ > ~~
Guest MEB Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) | | hi, | | Rick After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the whole thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance are key and essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL get you..... So whatsup wit yus... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and should be | > changed to http://peoplescounsel.org | > | > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or | > otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. | > | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.org | > _ _ | > ~~ | | | |
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links Understood... ~~~~~~~~~ I be okay, good, ~~~~~~~~~ ....the best to you Meb, Rick ...a great prophet wise man once said to me.. .....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get... "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message > news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) >| >| hi, >| >| Rick > > After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the whole > thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance are key and > essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL get you..... > > So whatsup wit yus... > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.org > a Peoples' counsel > _ _ > ~~ > >| >| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message >| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl >| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and >| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org >| > >| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, or >| > otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. >| > >| > >| > -- >| > MEB >| > http://peoplescounsel.org >| > _ _ >| > ~~
Guest PCR Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links Rick Chauvin wrote: | Understood... | | ~~~~~~~~~ | | I be okay, good, | | ~~~~~~~~~ | | ...the best to you Meb, I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... ..................... Properties ............................... ... OE ... MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, & 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)! Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here... http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.) First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.) .....Quote.......... The 2006 implementation is as follows: • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006. • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006. The 2007 implementation is as follows: • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007. • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007 .....EOQ............ | Rick | | | | | ..a great prophet wise man once said to me.. | ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get... | | | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl |> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message |> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) |>| |>| hi, |>| |>| Rick |> |> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the |> whole thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance are |> key and essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL get |> you..... |> |> So whatsup wit yus... |> |> -- |> MEB |> http://peoplescounsel.org |> a Peoples' counsel |> _ _ |> ~~ |> |>| |>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message |>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl |>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and |>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org |>| > |>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, |>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. |>| > |>| > |>| > -- |>| > MEB |>| > http://peoplescounsel.org |>| > _ _ |>| > ~~ -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links PCR wrote: | Rick Chauvin wrote: || Understood... || || ~~~~~~~~~ || || I be okay, good, || || ~~~~~~~~~ || || ...the best to you Meb, | | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, | Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... | | .................... Properties ............................... | ... OE ... | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM | | In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, & | 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour | clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your | property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing | in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)! | | Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here... | http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm | | TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files | go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.) | | First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time | zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 | implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix | the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to | Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.) | | ....Quote.......... | The 2006 implementation is as follows: | • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006. | • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006. | | The 2007 implementation is as follows: | • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007. | • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007 | ....EOQ............ Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. || Rick || || || || || ..a great prophet wise man once said to me.. || ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get... || || || || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl ||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message ||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... ||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) ||>| ||>| hi, ||>| ||>| Rick ||> ||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the ||> whole thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance are ||> key and essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL get ||> you..... ||> ||> So whatsup wit yus... ||> ||> -- ||> MEB ||> http://peoplescounsel.org ||> a Peoples' counsel ||> _ _ ||> ~~ ||> ||>| ||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message ||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl ||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and ||>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org ||>| > ||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, ||>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. ||>| > ||>| > ||>| > -- ||>| > MEB ||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org ||>| > _ _ ||>| > ~~ | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones} Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent, and may be delayed or modified by the service provider. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | PCR wrote: | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | || Understood... | || | || ~~~~~~~~~ | || | || I be okay, good, | || | || ~~~~~~~~~ | || | || ...the best to you Meb, | | | | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, | | Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... | | | | .................... Properties ............................... | | ... OE ... | | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM | | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM | | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM | | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM | | | | In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, & | | 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour | | clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your | | property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time showing | | in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)! | | | | Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here... | | http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm | | | | TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files | | go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.) | | | | First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time | | zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 | | implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix | | the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to | | Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.) | | | | ....Quote.......... | | The 2006 implementation is as follows: | | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006. | | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006. | | | | The 2007 implementation is as follows: | | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007. | | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007 | | ....EOQ............ | | Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That | is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies | the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You | must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. | | || Rick | || | || | || | || | || ..a great prophet wise man once said to me.. | || ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will get... | || | || | || | || | || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | || news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl | ||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message | ||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | ||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) | ||>| | ||>| hi, | ||>| | ||>| Rick | ||> | ||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the | ||> whole thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance are | ||> key and essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL get | ||> you..... | ||> | ||> So whatsup wit yus... | ||> | ||> -- | ||> MEB | ||> http://peoplescounsel.org | ||> a Peoples' counsel | ||> _ _ | ||> ~~ | ||> | ||>| | ||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | ||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | ||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct and | ||>| > should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org | ||>| > | ||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, included, | ||>| > or otherwise linked to the former address or its materials. | ||>| > | ||>| > | ||>| > -- | ||>| > MEB | ||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org | ||>| > _ _ | ||>| > ~~ | | | | -- | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | Should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | pcrrcp@netzero.net | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net | |
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl > Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones} > > Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent, > and may be delayed or modified by the service provider. I write and sent mine out on the spot though. Yes I am in the EDT zone I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does. It all looks okay on my end. Rick > > -- > MEB |
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That > is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies > the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You > must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. I have never gone anywhere, My schedule makes it so I just don't have the extra time to post as much though. I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always shows good. Rick > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links Rick Chauvin wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | |> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. |> That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. |> Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying it! |> Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see you |> back, Chauvin. | | I have never gone anywhere, My schedule makes it so I just don't have | the extra time to post as much though. | | I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine | always shows good. Now, I'm puzzled again-- IF you are Eastern Time (US & Canada), as you posted to MEB. Your header: 14:46 (2:46 PM) My OE display: 3:46 PM If you were in the same time zone as me, I would see those times to be the same. But, because you are in a zone that is one hour earlier than mine, I see the earlier time in your header. OE/Windows then makes it right in the OE sent time display. That's what I recently realized (I think!). Did you run that TZEdit like I requested earlier? What did you see? Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here... http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid files go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, anyhow.) First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.) .....Quote.......... The 2006 implementation is as follows: • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006. • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006. The 2007 implementation is as follows: • Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007. • Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007 .....EOQ............ | Rick | | |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links MEB wrote: | Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones} I still think so-- but Chauvin has confused me again by saying he is EDT, which I take to mean Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I want to see his TZEdit display to see whether the zone changes took! | Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is | sent, and may be delayed or modified by the service provider. I thought of that. But, I think (not perfectly sure) the time in the header is the one used for OE's sent time no matter when it actually is sent. If written offline yesterday & held in the Outbox, it will show up on the server (& in OE's sent column) with yesterday's date. Probably, that would be different if held in Drafts instead until sent. Anyhow, Chauvin has confirmed he posts them immediately. | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.org | a Peoples' counsel | _ _ | ~~ | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... || PCR wrote: || | Rick Chauvin wrote: || || Understood... || || || || ~~~~~~~~~ || || || || I be okay, good, || || || || ~~~~~~~~~ || || || || ...the best to you Meb, || | || | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone || | changes, Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... || | || | .................... Properties ............................... || | ... OE ... || | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM || | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM || | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM || | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM || | || | In MEB's first post, 14:42 shows up in the properties of his post, || | & 2:42 PM shows up in OE. Those are the same but on a 24 & 12 hour || | clock. His second post shows the same times as well. But your || | property's times are 1 hour slow (should show 20) or the time || | showing in OE is one hour fast (should show 7)! || | || | Do you have TZEdit? If not, take it from here... || | http://www.softshape.com/cham/manual/tzedit.htm || | || | TZEdit.exe goes into C\Windows\System. (The .cnt, .hlp, & .gid || | files go into C\Windows\Help. However, they don't seem to work, || | anyhow.) || | || | First, D-Clk your clock, & ensure you are set for the proper time || | zone. Next, run TZEdit. If it shows that you have the 2006 || | implementation, change it to the 2007 implementation. This will fix || | the dates for your own time zone only. (Alternatively, go to || | Terhune's site & a take a fix for all time zones.) || | || | ....Quote.......... || | The 2006 implementation is as follows: || | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on April 2, 2006. || | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on October 29, 2006. || | || | The 2007 implementation is as follows: || | . Daylight saving time starts at 02:00 A.M. on March 11, 2007. || | . Daylight saving time ends at 02:00 A.M. on November 4, 2007 || | ....EOQ............ || || Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. || That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. || Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying it! || Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see you || back, Chauvin. || || || Rick || || || || || || || || || || ..a great prophet wise man once said to me.. || || ....what your mindset or focus is always on, is what you will || || get... || || || || || || || || || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || || news:%23obH$0tGJHA.1432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl || ||> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message || ||> news:OlRbq$qGJHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || ||>| :) you're typed words always bespeak of lawyer lingo :) || ||>| || ||>| hi, || ||>| || ||>| Rick || ||> || ||> After years of writing that way, its a hard habit to break... the || ||> whole thought process changes; logic, direction, and conveyance || ||> are key and essential; step outside that box and the sharks WILL || ||> get you..... || ||> || ||> So whatsup wit yus... || ||> || ||> -- || ||> MEB || ||> http://peoplescounsel.org || ||> a Peoples' counsel || ||> _ _ || ||> ~~ || ||> || ||>| || ||>| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || ||>| news:eQ3Z6doGJHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl || ||>| > The former site which I included in my signature is defunct || ||>| > and should be changed to http://peoplescounsel.org || ||>| > || ||>| > This is provided for any parties whom might have added, || ||>| > included, or otherwise linked to the former address or its || ||>| > materials. || ||>| > || ||>| > || ||>| > -- || ||>| > MEB || ||>| > http://peoplescounsel.org || ||>| > _ _ || ||>| > ~~ || | || | -- || | Thanks or Good Luck, || | There may be humor in this post, and, || | Naturally, you will not sue, || | Should things get worse after this, || | PCR || | pcrrcp@netzero.net || || -- || Thanks or Good Luck, || There may be humor in this post, and, || Naturally, you will not sue, || Should things get worse after this, || PCR || pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill Blanton Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always > shows good. Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading at -500, while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400.
Guest MEB Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | > | >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That | >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows applies | >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You | >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. | | > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always | > shows good. | | | Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be | GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. | | You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading at -500, | while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. | Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500 AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings time] modified time zones. -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted. All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software DST adjustment when it has been made. Using PCR's post which noted the issue: I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... ..................... Properties ............................... ... OE ... MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400 However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly applied, software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the patches have been applied which impliment the congressional changes.... which is a simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it affects in the wrong geographic regions. So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:esgFZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl | > Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones} | > | > Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is sent, | > and may be delayed or modified by the service provider. | | I write and sent mine out on the spot though. | Yes I am in the EDT zone | I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does. | It all looks okay on my end. | | Rick | | > | > -- | > MEB | | | | |
Guest PCR Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links MEB wrote: | "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... || "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message | news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || > || > || > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message || > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl || > || >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. || >> That is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. || >> Windows applies the differencial to the header before displaying || >> it! Sheesh! Sorry! You must be an hour away from us! Good to see || >> you back, Chauvin. || || > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine || > always shows good. || || || Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST || should be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. || || You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading | at -500, || while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. Ah! Thanks for confirming that bit, Blanton! It was the last doubt I had about who's time was wacky-- mine & MEB's or Chauvin's! I did guess a while ago on my own that -500 legitimately becomes -400 during the "savings" period-- but I wasn't absolutely sure! Good to see you popping in again! || | | Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show: | | Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500 | Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500 | | AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight | savings time] modified time zones. | -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted. Yep-- you, me, & Blanton all match for that! (I was hoping that was true!) | All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of | software DST adjustment when it has been made. | | Using PCR's post which noted the issue: | | I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, | Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... | | .................... Properties ............................... | ... | OE ... | MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM | You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM | MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM | You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM | | | When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted | message: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400 | | However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly | applied, software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT | when the patches have been applied which impliment the congressional | changes.... which is a simple but rather sloppy way to change the | time as that places those it affects in the wrong geographic regions. Yep, sloppy: It STILL shows up as -500 in the time zone dropdown selector of the Time requestor! That's why I had doubts! | So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. I'm still waiting to see what TZEdit reports for him. | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.org | a Peoples' counsel | _ _ | ~~ | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message | news:esgFZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... || || || "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message || news:OC$as8fHJHA.4296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl || > Ah yeah, might be - - EDT v CDT v {the numerous time zones} || > || > Let's not forget that a message may be created well before it is || > sent, and may be delayed or modified by the service provider. || || I write and sent mine out on the spot though. || Yes I am in the EDT zone || I don't know why pcr sees my posts time stamp like he does. || It all looks okay on my end. || || Rick || || > || > -- || > MEB -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill Blanton Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uhLFsntHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message > news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message > news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > | > > | >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That > | >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows > applies > | >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You > | >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. > | > | > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always > | > shows good. > | > | > | Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be > | GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. > | > | You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading > at -500, > | while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. > | > > Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show: > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500 > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500 > > AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings time] > modified time zones. > -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted. > > All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software DST > adjustment when it has been made. > > Using PCR's post which noted the issue: > > I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, > Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... > > .................... Properties ............................... ... > OE ... > MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM > You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM > MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM > You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM > > > When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message: > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400 > > However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly applied, > software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the patches > have been applied which impliment the congressional changes.... IIRC, that patch just changed the day that DST starts and ends. Either way, patched or unpatched, the DST ending day would not have arrived yet. > which is a > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it > affects in the wrong geographic regions. GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to "adjust" to reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that networked systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human consumption ;-) > So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back manually. The clocks right, but offset is off.
Guest MEB Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uhLFsntHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | > news:%23BObcxqHJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message | > news:eUJfZXnHJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | > | > news:urtr4GdHJHA.4060@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | > | > | > | >> Wait a minute-- forget it! MEB & I must be in the same time zone. That | > | >> is I why I see his & my header & OE sent dates to match. Windows | > applies | > | >> the differencial to the header before displaying it! Sheesh! Sorry! You | > | >> must be an hour away from us! Good to see you back, Chauvin. | > | | > | > I don't know why you see the time stamps the way you do, but mine always | > | > shows good. | > | | > | | > | Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should be | > | GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. | > | | > | You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading | > at -500, | > | while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. | > | | > | > Hmm, yeah, Rich's posts show: | > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:42:30 -0500 | > Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:46:15 -0500 | > | > AHHH, the difference IS the modification when in DST [daylight savings time] | > modified time zones. | > -0500 GMT becomes -0400 GMT when adjusted. | > | > All these time discussions have failed to address the HOW of software DST | > adjustment when it has been made. | > | > Using PCR's post which noted the issue: | > | > I'm beginning to think you never adjusted for the time zone changes, | > Chauvin. Look at MEB's & your timestamps... | > | > .................... Properties ............................... ... | > OE ... | > MEB: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:22 -0400 2:42 PM | > You: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:31:34 -0500 8:31 PM | > MEB: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:01 -0400 12:56 AM | > You: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:09:22 -0500 8:09 PM | > | > | > When he posted the above, it showed this for his DST adjusted message: | > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:02:59 -0400 | > | > However, as Bill noted, we are all in EDT -0500, but when properly applied, | > software/registry DST change sets the -0500 to -0400 GMT when the patches | > have been applied which impliment the congressional changes.... | | IIRC, that patch just changed the day that DST starts and ends. Either way, | patched or unpatched, the DST ending day would not have arrived yet. | | | > which is a | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it | > affects in the wrong geographic regions. | | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to "adjust" to | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that networked | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human | consumption ;-) And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate. Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 longitude[timezonewise], I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, virtually]. Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been set by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using a sextant might agree.. | | | | > So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. | | It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back | manually. The clocks right, but offset is off. | | | | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~
Guest Bill Blanton Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > which is a > | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it > | > affects in the wrong geographic regions. > | > | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to > "adjust" to > | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that > networked > | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human > | consumption ;-) > > And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location > {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate. > Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 longitude[timezonewise], > I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the > shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, virtually]. > Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been set > by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean > Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another > manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its > relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using a > sextant might agree.. > GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0. The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation. If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust accordingly.
Guest MEB Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:%23JUlEp8HJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | > | > which is a | > | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those it | > | > affects in the wrong geographic regions. | > | | > | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to | > "adjust" to | > | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that | > networked | > | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for human | > | consumption ;-) | > | > And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location | > {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate. | > Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 longitude[timezonewise], | > I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the | > shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, virtually]. | > Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been set | > by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean | > Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another | > manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its | > relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using a | > sextant might agree.. | > | | GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0. | The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation. | | If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust | accordingly. Then what you suggest is that mariners and aviators adjust their chronometer to DST [should that be required] adding that calculation to the equation to determine position? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl [...] > Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should > be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. > > You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading at > -500, while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. [...] > GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to > "adjust" to reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important > that networked systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" > is only for human consumption ;-) [...] >> So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. > It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back > manually. The clocks right, but offset is off. [...] Hi Bill, You are quite right on all counts Bill. I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do have Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first of the year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me crazy when auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when it auto adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP that way too, and have been staying booted and posting with XP this year anyway. I assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an time auto adjust? I haven't applied any updates since SP3 on this WXPro, and so am a few months behind with that, and of course have that auto update off too. I apologize to you three for not responding to these post earlier but I've been swamped at work and home and have barley had time to sleep even. Thanks for the replies PCR & MEB. Bill, you're on XP too, so how should I set it so that my offset gets shown correctly on all counts, not just these newsgroups. My sister in Florida told me last week that my email timestamp was an hour off as well too even though I see it as normal, and so I need to conform to make things show right then. I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock back an hour but leaving the box checkmarked; I hope this solves the problem. Thanks, Rick
Guest PCR Posted September 26, 2008 Posted September 26, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links Rick Chauvin wrote: | "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl | | [...] | |> Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST |> should be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. |> |> You see it correctly because you're posting at -500 and downloading |> at -500, while PCR and I are downloading your posts at -400. | | [...] | |> GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to |> "adjust" to reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's |> important that networked systems to use the same time constant. The |> "time of day" is only for human consumption ;-) | | [...] | |>> So it does appear Rick has failed to apply those changes. | |> It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock |> back manually. The clocks right, but offset is off. | | [...] | | Hi Bill, | | You are quite right on all counts Bill. | I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do | have Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first | of the year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me | crazy when auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when | it auto adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP | that way too, and have been staying booted and posting with XP this | year anyway. I assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an | time auto adjust? | | I haven't applied any updates since SP3 on this WXPro, and so am a few | months behind with that, and of course have that auto update off too. | | I apologize to you three for not responding to these post earlier but | I've been swamped at work and home and have barley had time to sleep | even. Thanks for the replies PCR & MEB. | | Bill, you're on XP too, so how should I set it so that my offset gets | shown correctly on all counts, not just these newsgroups. My sister | in Florida told me last week that my email timestamp was an hour off | as well too even though I see it as normal, and so I need to conform | to make things show right then. | | I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped | ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock | back an hour but leaving the box checkmarked; I hope this solves the | problem. You are welcome. Looks to me that did it...!... Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:32:44 -0400 9/26/08 6:32 PM Now I see your OE header date & my OE "sent" column date of your post match. That is as it should be, because we are in the same time zone. It didn't occur to me you had the auto time adjustment turned off & did it manually. Good thinking on Blanton's part as usual. OK, I'm taking you off my naughty list, Chauvin-- for posting responses before the OP has posted as you did in an earlier thread! I've never noticed my own Desktop got mussed over that the auto date change. Next time I'll have to go look! But you always could just have used something like WinTidy to fix that. | Thanks, | | Rick -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Bill Blanton Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:erWETfCIJHA.4240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > > [...] > >> Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should >> be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. >> It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back >> manually. The clocks right, but offset is off. > > [...] > > Hi Bill, > > You are quite right on all counts Bill. > I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do have > Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first of the > year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me crazy when > auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when it auto > adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP that way too, > and have been staying booted and posting with XP this year anyway. I > assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an time auto adjust? I've never seen XP scramble (or unscramble) desktop icons for that reason, though I have a vague recollection of what you mention on some 9x systems. On a side note; if you have any volumes formatted as NTFS, the displayed file timestamps will be adjusted when the time offset changes. NTFS stores timestamps at UTC, and computes in the offset for the display. > I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped > ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock back an > hour but leaving the box checkmarked; I hope this solves the problem. I can't vouch for the clock ;-) , but the offset now looks good..
Guest Bill Blanton Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23Ie5vYAIJHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message > news:%23JUlEp8HJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message > | > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > | > | > which is a > | > | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those > it > | > | > affects in the wrong geographic regions. > | > | > | > | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to > | > "adjust" to > | > | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that > | > networked > | > | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for > human > | > | consumption ;-) > | > > | > And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location > | > {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate. > | > Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 > longitude[timezonewise], > | > I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the > | > shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, > virtually]. > | > Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been > set > | > by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean > | > Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another > | > manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its > | > relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using > a > | > sextant might agree.. > | > > | > | GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0. > | The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation. > | > | If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust > | accordingly. > > Then what you suggest is that mariners and aviators adjust their > chronometer to DST [should that be required] adding that calculation to the > equation to determine position? Do they still use chronometers? I'm not suggesting they do or don't adjust to DST. But yeah, whatever your clock's offset to the constant, you'd have to calculate that in. There is only the one "point in time", no matter what the clock reads.
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:uhxwnELIJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message > news:erWETfCIJHA.4240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message >> news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl >> >> [...] >> >>> Rick, I don't think your system is on daylight savings time? EST should >>> be GMT-400 during DST, and -500 when not. > > >>> It could be that he turned off the "auto adjust" and set his clock back >>> manually. The clocks right, but offset is off. >> >> [...] >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> You are quite right on all counts Bill. >> I am in EST but as you said my computer is set GMT-0500 and yes I do >> have Auto Adjust turned off and always have set it manually the first >> of the year. I've done that since Win9x because back then it drove me >> crazy when auto adjust was on it would scramble my Desktop icons when >> it auto adjusted, and so out of habit right along had set my W2K/WXP >> that way too, and have been staying booted and posting with XP this >> year anyway. I assume XP/2K never scrambles desktop icons after an >> time auto adjust? > > I've never seen XP scramble (or unscramble) desktop icons for that > reason, though I have a vague recollection of what you mention on some 9x > systems. Okay good, but I've seen XP scramble the order of them in another instance anyway. > On a side note; if you have any volumes formatted as NTFS, the displayed > file timestamps will be adjusted when the time offset changes. NTFS > stores timestamps at UTC, and computes in the offset for the display. Okay, good to know. >> I just now check marked the box to Auto Adjust, and my time jumped >> ahead an hour which is incorrect, so I manually adjusted the clock back >> an hour but leaving the box checkmarked; I hope this solves the problem. > I can't vouch for the clock ;-) , but the offset now looks good.. Okay Bill, thank you very much for posting to solve the issue. I've much appreciated your valuable input over the years. Rick ...it's almost November, so get your 10 gal frylator out.
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:e98QjBDIJHA.2272@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl [....] > You are welcome. Looks to me that did it...!... > > Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:32:44 -0400 9/26/08 6:32 PM > > Now I see your OE header date & my OE "sent" column date of your post > match. That is as it should be, because we are in the same time zone. It > didn't occur to me you had the auto time adjustment turned off & did it > manually. Good thinking on Blanton's part as usual. OK, I'm taking you > off my naughty list, Chauvin-- for posting responses before the OP has > posted as you did in an earlier thread! Excellent, great, and thanks PCR for sticking to your guns on this one, and you're effort. Another MVP mentioned on this forum he last year that my date stamp was off, I think it was Jeff maybe, but I discounted it at the time and thought it was just my isp server issue; sorry about that Jeff. > I've never noticed my own Desktop got mussed over that the auto date > change. Next time I'll have to go look! But you always could just have > used something like WinTidy to fix that. I've always seen everyone elses do it on 9x. I personally had lots of shortcuts in a particular order there, and was a pita to put them back the way I wanted. I used to take a screenshot of the desktop order now and then, and save it, so I would have what it was and was quite fussy about it. I've never liked the idea of installing a third party program to keep track of my desktop icons, although I tested a number of them, but never found one I wanted. I don't have to worry about it anymore anyway so it's a null point. Thanks for the reply PCR, and MEB too. Have a good one. Rick > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest MEB Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Re: Not Spam, but Notice to change links "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:u$VflGLIJHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23Ie5vYAIJHA.1968@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | > | > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | > news:%23JUlEp8HJHA.1160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > news:%23dlSdG7HJHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message | > | > news:eYM%23VE4HJHA.2296@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | | > | > | > which is a | > | > | > simple but rather sloppy way to change the time as that places those | > it | > | > | > affects in the wrong geographic regions. | > | > | | > | > | GMT is a constant. If you "spring" forward an hour it's necessary to | > | > "adjust" to | > | > | reflect the new relationship to the constant. It's important that | > | > networked | > | > | systems to use the same time constant. The "time of day" is only for | > human | > | > | consumption ;-) | > | > | > | > And that constant is/was GMT. However, GMT also provides area location | > | > {longitude}, adjusting zone rather than clock is not exactly accurate. | > | > Example - if I adjust where I'm sitting to -0400 | > longitude[timezonewise], | > | > I'm sitting at the bottom of the ocean latitude-wise [somewhere off the | > | > shore - adjusting my physical location, latitude and longitude, | > virtually]. | > | > Granted: *time zones* are not the same as longitude lines, having been | > set | > | > by legislative activities, however, the absolute of GMT [Greenwich Mean | > | > Time] and its relationship to the world then becomes just another | > | > manipulative exponent, hardly what can be considered as constant if its | > | > relationship is and can be varied *virtually*, I think a navigator using | > a | > | > sextant might agree.. | > | > | > | | > | GMT/UTC is still a constant. The time at longitude 0. | > | The (manipulative) variable is the "time zone" factor of the equation. | > | | > | If you are calculating your geographic location, you need to adjust | > | accordingly. | > | > Then what you suggest is that mariners and aviators adjust their | > chronometer to DST [should that be required] adding that calculation to the | > equation to determine position? | | Do they still use chronometers? | | I'm not suggesting they do or don't adjust to DST. But yeah, whatever your | clock's offset to the constant, you'd have to calculate that in. There is only | the one "point in time", no matter what the clock reads. | So we come full circle, to how easy, yet sloppy, this time adjustment method is. The ONLY way to allow this {for this to work} using this method, is to modify EVERY computer and network around the world each and every time some modification is made. A failure ANYWHERE throws the entire system off. This also would seem to allow some vulnerabilities to occur. Server identifiers, DNS, registrar services, message headers, IP packet formation, and other, could, potentially, be affected due to actual physical location variances. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~
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