Guest Dan Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile, the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is it just not needed anymore?
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile, the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is it just not needed anymore?
Guest FromTheRafters Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... [snipped preamble to actual question] > The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > all-one-solution with one source code... Why would they even want to do that? Let me ask you a question. Since you mention it so often. Dan ~ What is "source code"? > ... or is it indeed needed that there be > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or > is > it just not needed anymore? Programs will be created to fill the needs of the prospective market. As long as markets differ - so will the programs. No, there will be no more Win98 family kernels. Home computers and business computers both need the additional security of the more modern line. There will always be several different projects aimed at different target audiences.
Guest Don Phillipson Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that positively require the resources of Vista? (I can think of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest Bill in Co. Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Don Phillipson wrote: > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be >> so >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now >> as >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the >> task >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we >> also >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > > Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that > positively require the resources of Vista? Running Aero??? LOL! > (I can think of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .) > -- > Don Phillipson > Carlsbad Springs > (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest Dan Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Thank you for your response, Carey. "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: > Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 > http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx > > -- > Carey Frisch > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience - > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be so > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the task > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. Meanwhile, > the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act > with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know I > will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my > multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in my > laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so many > of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default and > it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating > system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic > image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop computer > the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I > sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had issues > with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their cds > to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed correctly > but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer > but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will > eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and > annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a > retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will try > 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and then > finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the associated > crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find time > certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I wanted > to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great > contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my > number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong by > choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I can > see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when their > new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It > will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know > from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been > reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it > comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in > computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and NT > finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The > question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or is > it just not needed anymore? >
Guest Dan Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing I will let Wikipedia do the talking for me, FromTheRafters, grin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98 You will see in the second wikipedia article that the business line and the consumer line is separate and really does not end up fully meeting until Windows XP and so this makes one wonder was Windows ME really a test operating system that allowed for advances in XP like System Restore and why was it rushed out the door. The problem also is that Internet Explorer 7 was rushed out the door and thankfully Microsoft is taking their time with Internet Explorer 8 to make sure it is really good and I know I am moving away from the Windows 98 general discussion but I feel this is so critical for our future to have people talk and discuss the best ways to meet user's needs in future computing. .. . . or okay if you don't like the term source code then how about the code base of Windows 9x and Windows NT and Chris Quirke, mvp has a great deal to say about this as well. http://cquirke.mvps.org/ http://cquirke.mvps.org/multos.htm http://cquirke.blogspot.com/ I now ask you FromTheRafters, will it be possible to meet the needs of the home audience and the business audience with one code base or will 2 different code bases be needed and which is the best approach Microsoft should take to be able to cater effectively to all the markets and best meet the user's needs? "FromTheRafters" wrote: > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > > [snipped preamble to actual question] > > > The question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > > all-one-solution with one source code... > > Why would they even want to do that? > Let me ask you a question. Since you mention it so often. > > Dan ~ What is "source code"? > > > ... or is it indeed needed that there be > > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the > > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or > > is > > it just not needed anymore? > > Programs will be created to fill the needs of the prospective > market. As long as markets differ - so will the programs. > > No, there will be no more Win98 family kernels. Home computers > and business computers both need the additional security of the > more modern line. There will always be several different projects > aimed at different target audiences. > > >
Guest Dan Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Nice Point, Bill. "Bill in Co." wrote: > Don Phillipson wrote: > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > > > >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be > >> so > >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now > >> as > >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the > >> task > >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we > >> also > >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > > > > Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that > > positively require the resources of Vista? > > Running Aero??? > LOL! > > > (I can think of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .) > > -- > > Don Phillipson > > Carlsbad Springs > > (Ottawa, Canada) > > >
Guest Dan Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Well, Don, I don't think many would argue that Windows Vista has great external security in the operating system. However, the problem is with compatibility and the functionality of the operating system. I think Microsoft went overboard with User Account Control and why should a user have to approve a program install numerous times and since User Account Control has failed this then at least allow the user to customize user account control to allow the settings to be manipulated like a user might want to customize cookie handling and use the advanced option to block 3rd party cookies and session cookies. {Yum, now I am getting hungry} -.- <grin> "Don Phillipson" wrote: > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > > > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be > so > > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as > > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the > task > > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also > > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > > Just for clarity -- what tasks do you have in hand that > positively require the resources of Vista? (I can think > of some, but each of us is a different sort of user. . .) > -- > Don Phillipson > Carlsbad Springs > (Ottawa, Canada) > > >
Guest FromTheRafters Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D365C2E1-0908-4D5A-A21C-3D9AB48B6F42@microsoft.com... >I will let Wikipedia do the talking for me, FromTheRafters, grin. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code That doesn't help me to understand your usage of the term which is what I was after. I know what source code is and was wondering what you thought it was since you use the term so oddly. Win98 and the NT family differ at the conceptual level, so of course that difference survives all the way to machine language. Your concern perhaps should be with conceptualization. There is no reason that some source code from one family can't be used in another. It doesn't mean that the concept has reverted. Future MS OSes will probably all be multi-user OSes. Even home users will want this functionality if they share the computer with anybody. If some source code from Win98 is used in future OSes, that won't mean they inherit the good or the bad from Win98 or become single user OSes. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98 > > You will see in the second wikipedia article that the business line and > the > consumer line is separate and really does not end up fully meeting until > Windows XP... Businesses liked the security aspects, and home users opted for a single user autologon with full administrative powers. Hell, they may as well have stayed with Win98 - once they used that setup, security went out the window. Vista is configurable enough to be made just as insecure but it attempts to make the default a more secure setup and make the user work to reduce security. I think that trend will continue. > and so this makes one wonder... Now you're off on a different subject again. I'll not follow. [snip]
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing (Sitting here holding my breath...) Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's a perfect match! (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP history.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 > http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx > > -- > Carey Frisch > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience - > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be > so > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the > task > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > Meanwhile, > the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act > with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know > I > will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my > multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in > my > laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so > many > of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default > and > it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating > system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic > image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop > computer > the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I > sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had > issues > with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their > cds > to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed > correctly > but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer > but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will > eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and > annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a > retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will > try > 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and > then > finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the > associated > crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find > time > certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I > wanted > to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great > contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my > number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong > by > choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I > can > see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when > their > new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It > will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know > from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been > reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it > comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in > computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and > NT > finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The > question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or > is > it just not needed anymore?
Guest Dan Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Thank you for your comments, Gary and at least this newsgroup sometimes can become more interesting when I am around and I think I am able to help at least a few users out there. In addition the information can be challenged by others which makes the Microsoft newsgroups so interesting and informative and misinformation is usually corrected by others. (Note: I know Gary has blocked me and the rest of you don't feel any need to respond to this post unless you want to. Gary's knowledge and wisdom of Microsoft Windows has been a great help to me and many of us. Unfortunately, there was a huge conflict between him and me in the past when my health and mind was poor so I don't want to cause him any additional stress or pressure because I want Gary S. Terhune to hopefully keep posting here with his knowledge of Windows 98 for a long time if he wants to of course. Finally, I am guilty of posting as Art Wilder in the past as well as trying to get Gary to respond to me in the past using other computers and email addresses and that is a huge reason I continue to post as I do with my Windows Hotmail Live email address which I know is not nearly as good as using a newsreader but as you can see I have good reasons for it. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > (Sitting here holding my breath...) > > Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's a > perfect match! > > (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP history.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message > news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 > > http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx > > > > -- > > Carey Frisch > > Microsoft MVP > > Windows Desktop Experience - > > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > > I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be > > so > > many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now as > > time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > > while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the > > task > > at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we also > > have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > > Meanwhile, > > the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act > > with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know > > I > > will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my > > multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) in > > my > > laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so > > many > > of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default > > and > > it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating > > system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic > > image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop > > computer > > the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I > > sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had > > issues > > with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their > > cds > > to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed > > correctly > > but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the computer > > but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will > > eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and > > annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a > > retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will > > try > > 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and > > then > > finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the > > associated > > crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find > > time > > certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I > > wanted > > to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great > > contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains my > > number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it wrong > > by > > choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I > > can > > see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when > > their > > new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It > > will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know > > from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been > > reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it > > comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in > > computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced and > > NT > > finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The > > question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > > all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there be > > again a business source code and a home based source code that despite the > > added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment or > > is > > it just not needed anymore? > > >
Guest stone Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN................. aaaaaaaaah, thats betta.
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Gary - Sorry to learn that apparently your MVP status has been "retired". Good luck with your future endeavors. "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OjMZ5KaHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > (Sitting here holding my breath...) > > Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's > a perfect match! > > (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP > history.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.com > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message > news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 >> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx >> >> -- >> Carey Frisch >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Desktop Experience - >> Windows Vista Enthusiast >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be >> so >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now >> as >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the >> task >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we >> also >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. >> Meanwhile, >> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act >> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know >> I >> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my >> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) >> in my >> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so >> many >> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default >> and >> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating >> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic >> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop >> computer >> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I >> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had >> issues >> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their >> cds >> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed >> correctly >> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the >> computer >> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will >> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and >> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a >> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will >> try >> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and >> then >> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the >> associated >> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find >> time >> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I >> wanted >> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great >> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains >> my >> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it >> wrong by >> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I >> can >> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when >> their >> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It >> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know >> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been >> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it >> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in >> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced >> and NT >> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The >> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an >> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there >> be >> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite >> the >> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment >> or is >> it just not needed anymore? > >
Guest Dan Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Re: The Future in Computing Well, I am sorry as well and send my best regards to Gary in his future endeavors as well. I am sure all of us will continue to benefit from Gary's wisdom in the 98 general newsgroup in the future. "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: > Gary - > > Sorry to learn that apparently your MVP status has been "retired". > Good luck with your future endeavors. > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OjMZ5KaHJHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > (Sitting here holding my breath...) > > > > Carey, *please* take Dan along with you as you scoot on out the door. It's > > a perfect match! > > > > (For those who don't know Carey, he's got the brownest nose in MVP > > history.) > > > > -- > > Gary S. Terhune > > MS-MVP Shell/User > > http://grystmill.com > > > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message > > news:O$JktmNHJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> Welcome to the blog dedicated to the engineering of Microsoft Windows 7 > >> http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/18/windows_5F00_7_5F00_team.aspx > >> > >> -- > >> Carey Frisch > >> Microsoft MVP > >> Windows Desktop Experience - > >> Windows Vista Enthusiast > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:9F4799E5-411E-4B7F-8AA3-2EEBCAFEFD9B@microsoft.com... > >> I am certainly looking forward to the future in computing. There will be > >> so > >> many opportunities and sky computing certainly looks more promising now > >> as > >> time goes on. However, I for one am a guy who likes old-school computing > >> while enjoying new computing as well when it is needed to accomplish the > >> task > >> at hand. Windows Vista has been available for a while now and now we > >> also > >> have Windows Vista Service Pack 1 and soon will have Windows 7. > >> Meanwhile, > >> the browser wars are really heating up and Google has gotten into the act > >> with its Chrome browser which I have not bothered to try out yet but know > >> I > >> will eventually try it out on the Windows XP Professional side of my > >> multi-boot computer and/or maybe on Windows Vista Home Premium (32 bit) > >> in my > >> laptop computer. I find it annoying that if users buy a new computer so > >> many > >> of us have to deal with junk that is installed on the computer by default > >> and > >> it certainly makes me want to go and buy a retail copy of the operating > >> system and not just deal with an oem version or a defunct and problematic > >> image of the operating system. In my case, with the Toshiba Laptop > >> computer > >> the problem falls in my opinion clearly on Toshiba in this case because I > >> sent it in and the laptop computer was repaired and returned but I had > >> issues > >> with it upon return. Anyway, I called up Toshiba support and used their > >> cds > >> to install Windows Vista Home Premium again and it almost installed > >> correctly > >> but had errors tied with trying to install Microsoft Works on the > >> computer > >> but that was the only error. Toshiba has now sent me new cds and I will > >> eventually try again but certainly not now because I am just tired and > >> annoyed at using the oem version and am about ready to go out and buy a > >> retail upgrade copy of Windows Vista. The question now is I guess I will > >> try > >> 1 more time to correctly install the Windows Vista Home Premium oem and > >> then > >> finally get a retail version so I do not have to deal with all the > >> associated > >> crapware on the machine which is now just about 13 months old. I find > >> time > >> certainly does fly especially in the world of technology. Finally, I > >> wanted > >> to send my thanks to everyone in this newsgroup for all of their great > >> contributions and say Long Live Windows 98 Second Edition which remains > >> my > >> number 1 operating system and yes my opinion is Microsoft did get it > >> wrong by > >> choosing the business NT source code instead of the 9x source code but I > >> can > >> see that Microsoft has a good chance to get it right in the future when > >> their > >> new operating system based on their new source code is release. Note: It > >> will not be Windows 7 because this will still be NT based although I know > >> from Steve Riley, MSFT comments that much of the NT source code has been > >> reworked and rewritten, the underlying problem in my opinion, is that it > >> comes down to the foundation of a problematic code that is too limited in > >> computing nowadays which will indeed eventually thankfully be replaced > >> and NT > >> finally put to rest and hopefully that will solve many problems. The > >> question I pose to all of you is will Microsoft be able to have an > >> all-one-solution with one source code or is it indeed needed that there > >> be > >> again a business source code and a home based source code that despite > >> the > >> added cost and complexity is necessary in today's computing environment > >> or is > >> it just not needed anymore? > > > > > > >
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