Guest George_222 Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Occasionally, and it is only once every 1 to 2 months or so, I get in 'EventLog-System' some 'ftdisk event 57'. This basically says do a chkdsk. If I run a chkdsk I sometimes (not always) get errors fixed like: Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h65 (187185) into directory file '32379' and Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w (187182) into directory file '33825' Q1 What do these mean? Where are the 'opr01xx' files from, and where is the 3xxxx directory files that they appear to have been recovered into? If I run chkdsk /f it claims to fix everything, and all is well again, until the next time. Q2 Whats likely to be causing them, how do I locate the actual problem? Finally, if I run chkdsk without the /f on c: it seems to have the following warning: CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the master file table (MFT) bitmap. Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. Windows found problems with the file system. Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. This does not happen on D: or E:. Q3 Is this normal for C: following a chkdsk without the /f, or is this indicative of the possible error? Thanks PS Things Ive tried: * An updated AV and spyware check finds nothing - all OK. * SCANDISK finds nothing - all OK (just reports "disk check complete") * I cannot find anything that appears to not be working correctly; the PC basically seems to function OK apart from these problems. * The PC has one physical HD split as C: D: and E:. D: and E: when checked are always fine, if there are any fixed errors they are always found on C: * Everything, the complete system, is backed up once a month, just in case.
Guest db.·.. > Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors once every couple of months for an error to produce is kind of odd. what you might want to try is to run the commands directly from a disk prompt instead of through the desktop. simply boot with your windows setup cd and select the recovery console. you will then get to a disk prompt where you can run chkdsk. in addition you can also run other commands like fixmbr. just type help at the prompt to get more info on the commands available. after wards, type exit and reboot with out the cd. something that you might also want to try is to go the homesite for your computer and check out the faq's. there may even be a patch or update that resolves the issue you are having. or perhaps you can email their technical support for some fyi. btw: are you keeping your system tuned up, like defragging, clearing out the trash files, etc...? -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E0400BF3-2980-4D11-B291-AB5646BEE479@microsoft.com... > Occasionally, and it is only once every 1 to 2 months or so, I get in > 'EventLog-System' some 'ftdisk event 57'. This basically says do a chkdsk. > > If I run a chkdsk I sometimes (not always) get errors fixed like: > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h65 (187185) into directory file '32379' > and > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w (187182) into directory file '33825' > > Q1 What do these mean? Where are the 'opr01xx' files from, and where is the > 3xxxx directory files that they appear to have been recovered into? > > If I run chkdsk /f it claims to fix everything, and all is well again, until > the next time. > > Q2 Whats likely to be causing them, how do I locate the actual problem? > > > Finally, if I run chkdsk without the /f on c: it seems to have the following > warning: > > CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the > master file table (MFT) bitmap. > Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. > Windows found problems with the file system. > Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. > > This does not happen on D: or E:. > > Q3 Is this normal for C: following a chkdsk without the /f, or is this > indicative of the possible error? > > Thanks > > > PS Things Ive tried: > > * An updated AV and spyware check finds nothing - all OK. > * SCANDISK finds nothing - all OK (just reports "disk check complete") > * I cannot find anything that appears to not be working correctly; the PC > basically seems to function OK apart from these problems. > * The PC has one physical HD split as C: D: and E:. D: and E: when checked > are always fine, if there are any fixed errors they are always found on C: > * Everything, the complete system, is backed up once a month, just in case.
Guest George_222 Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors Thanks for the quick response. I may have misled with the '1 every 2 months' comment. Its not regular. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but usually in that sort of time scale it seems to re-occur. Unfortunately, I don't think I have a Windows recovery disc, the PC didn't come with windows discs. It was all preloaded with a restore disc. I don't think that has a recovery console. If I boot to a Windows command prompt is that likely to help? Can I run chkdsk from that? The PCs support folk are worth a shot, I'll send an email. But unfortunately its out of warranty and they tend not to respond quickly, if at all. I have done a scan for bad sectors and it didn't find any. Temp files I keep deleted and 'trim' every so often. I haven't run a defrag for a while though. Thats something I can try - thanks. "db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: > once every couple of months > for an error to produce is kind of > odd. > > what you might want to try is to > run the commands directly from > a disk prompt instead of through > the desktop. > > simply boot with your windows > setup cd and select the recovery > console. > > you will then get to a disk prompt > where you can run chkdsk. > > in addition you can also run other > commands like fixmbr. > > just type help at the prompt > to get more info on the commands > available. > > after wards, type exit and reboot > with out the cd. > > something that you might also > want to try is to go the homesite > for your computer and check out > the faq's. > > there may even be a patch or > update that resolves the issue > you are having. or perhaps > you can email their technical > support for some fyi. > > btw: are you keeping your > system tuned up, like defragging, > clearing out the trash files, etc...? > -- > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E0400BF3-2980-4D11-B291-AB5646BEE479@microsoft.com... > > Occasionally, and it is only once every 1 to 2 months or so, I get in > > 'EventLog-System' some 'ftdisk event 57'. This basically says do a chkdsk. > > > > If I run a chkdsk I sometimes (not always) get errors fixed like: > > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h65 (187185) into directory file '32379' > > and > > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w (187182) into directory file '33825' > > > > Q1 What do these mean? Where are the 'opr01xx' files from, and where is the > > 3xxxx directory files that they appear to have been recovered into? > > > > If I run chkdsk /f it claims to fix everything, and all is well again, until > > the next time. > > > > Q2 Whats likely to be causing them, how do I locate the actual problem? > > > > > > Finally, if I run chkdsk without the /f on c: it seems to have the following > > warning: > > > > CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the > > master file table (MFT) bitmap. > > Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. > > Windows found problems with the file system. > > Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. > > > > This does not happen on D: or E:. > > > > Q3 Is this normal for C: following a chkdsk without the /f, or is this > > indicative of the possible error? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > PS Things Ive tried: > > > > * An updated AV and spyware check finds nothing - all OK. > > * SCANDISK finds nothing - all OK (just reports "disk check complete") > > * I cannot find anything that appears to not be working correctly; the PC > > basically seems to function OK apart from these problems. > > * The PC has one physical HD split as C: D: and E:. D: and E: when checked > > are always fine, if there are any fixed errors they are always found on C: > > * Everything, the complete system, is backed up once a month, just in case. > >
Guest db.·.. > Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors you can launch a command console from the desktop by installing its option to launch into the boot menu. the problem is however, that having only the ability to perform a factory restore on the pc puts the data and files you have accumulated at great risk because as you can see at this time, you are experiencing issues with the o.s.; although i don't beleive this particular issue is serious, since your checkdisk reports no flaws. but there will be a time in the future that your o.s. may simply become corrupted for what ever reason and not functional for you. so if such an event occurs, the only option that you have at this time is to do a factory restore which wipes away everything off the disk and returns it to ground zero - as it was when you first got it a few years ago. and as you know, there has been hundreds of updates to the o.s. since then. therefore you need to make a plan of action. in anycase, contact the tech support for advice. they might be friendly and concerned with the issue you are experiencing and offer advice for free. also, here is the instructions to install the command console, eg recovery console/repair console from the files located on your disk: http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&setlang=en-us&q=install+command+console&mkt=en-us in addition, so that you can minimize the risk of corrupting your system, do not install software or freeware without thoroughly researching its compatiability with your system. in doing so, you may inadverdently corrupt your system. also, i strongly recommend to use the below every week or so. it will also help reduce your risks as well: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm in closing, you might want to open your pc and take a look at the cables to your harddrive. be sure that none are connected loosely or the cables are bent or frayed. -------------- also, you might want to consider/plan buying/adding an additional harddrive where you can keep copies of your personal files, in the event you have to wipe away the main disk. an easy method to apply to a secondary harddrive would be to move your entire my documents folder from the system drive and into the new location via the option provided in the properties of "my documents" -- db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CE84C98B-66D1-410B-875A-DDC2DAAC648F@microsoft.com... > Thanks for the quick response. > > I may have misled with the '1 every 2 months' comment. Its not regular. > Sometimes more, sometimes less, but usually in that sort of time scale it > seems to re-occur. > > Unfortunately, I don't think I have a Windows recovery disc, the PC didn't > come with windows discs. It was all preloaded with a restore disc. I don't > think that has a recovery console. If I boot to a Windows command prompt is > that likely to help? Can I run chkdsk from that? > > The PCs support folk are worth a shot, I'll send an email. But unfortunately > its out of warranty and they tend not to respond quickly, if at all. > > > I have done a scan for bad sectors and it didn't find any. > > Temp files I keep deleted and 'trim' every so often. > > I haven't run a defrag for a while though. Thats something I can try - thanks. > > > > > "db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: > >> once every couple of months >> for an error to produce is kind of >> odd. >> >> what you might want to try is to >> run the commands directly from >> a disk prompt instead of through >> the desktop. >> >> simply boot with your windows >> setup cd and select the recovery >> console. >> >> you will then get to a disk prompt >> where you can run chkdsk. >> >> in addition you can also run other >> commands like fixmbr. >> >> just type help at the prompt >> to get more info on the commands >> available. >> >> after wards, type exit and reboot >> with out the cd. >> >> something that you might also >> want to try is to go the homesite >> for your computer and check out >> the faq's. >> >> there may even be a patch or >> update that resolves the issue >> you are having. or perhaps >> you can email their technical >> support for some fyi. >> >> btw: are you keeping your >> system tuned up, like defragging, >> clearing out the trash files, etc...? >> -- >> >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E0400BF3-2980-4D11-B291-AB5646BEE479@microsoft.com... >> > Occasionally, and it is only once every 1 to 2 months or so, I get in >> > 'EventLog-System' some 'ftdisk event 57'. This basically says do a chkdsk. >> > >> > If I run a chkdsk I sometimes (not always) get errors fixed like: >> > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h65 (187185) into directory file '32379' >> > and >> > Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w (187182) into directory file '33825' >> > >> > Q1 What do these mean? Where are the 'opr01xx' files from, and where is the >> > 3xxxx directory files that they appear to have been recovered into? >> > >> > If I run chkdsk /f it claims to fix everything, and all is well again, until >> > the next time. >> > >> > Q2 Whats likely to be causing them, how do I locate the actual problem? >> > >> > >> > Finally, if I run chkdsk without the /f on c: it seems to have the following >> > warning: >> > >> > CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the >> > master file table (MFT) bitmap. >> > Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. >> > Windows found problems with the file system. >> > Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. >> > >> > This does not happen on D: or E:. >> > >> > Q3 Is this normal for C: following a chkdsk without the /f, or is this >> > indicative of the possible error? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > PS Things Ive tried: >> > >> > * An updated AV and spyware check finds nothing - all OK. >> > * SCANDISK finds nothing - all OK (just reports "disk check complete") >> > * I cannot find anything that appears to not be working correctly; the PC >> > basically seems to function OK apart from these problems. >> > * The PC has one physical HD split as C: D: and E:. D: and E: when checked >> > are always fine, if there are any fixed errors they are always found on C: >> > * Everything, the complete system, is backed up once a month, just in case. >> >>
Guest George_222 Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors Thanks for the ideas. I have tried a chkdsk /f (and from a microsoft link I found chkdsk /r /x). They do ask for a reboot to run the test. These sometimes fix errors but usually only the 'orphaned' file types mentioned above. Once, I seem to recall, it did say it had found and repaired errors in the filesystem. Agreed re Factory restore discs, I'll keep a better eye out when I get my next PC. I do back the complete PC up every month or so, to an external USB2 HD and have at least 3 archives running worth of backups, so hopefully I should be able to recover most if not all - assuming the worst happens. I have now emailed the PCs tech support, awaiting reply. I'll take a look at the links you sent - thanks. Regarding the specific queries, and mainly for my interest, is there an MS explanation as to what something like "Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w (187182) into directory file '33825" means? i.e. where are the opr015h and 33825 files located, has it actually fixed/repaired something or just 'tidied up the garbage'? I tried a search for the files and found nothing. Also is this a usual response when running chkdsk against C: (without a reboot)? > CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the > master file table (MFT) bitmap. > Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. > Windows found problems with the file system. > Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. I don't get that on D: or E:, only against C: Once again - Thanks. "db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: > you can launch a command > console from the desktop by > installing its option to launch > into the boot menu. > > the problem is however, > that having only the ability > to perform a factory restore > on the pc puts the data and > files you have accumulated > at great risk because as you > can see at this time, you are > experiencing issues with the > o.s.; although i don't beleive this > particular issue is serious, since > your checkdisk reports no flaws. > > but there will be a time in the > future that your o.s. may simply > become corrupted for what > ever reason and not functional > for you. > > so if such an event occurs, > the only option that you have > at this time is to do a factory > restore which wipes away > everything off the disk and > returns it to ground zero - as > it was when you first got it a > few years ago. > > and as you know, there has > been hundreds of updates to > the o.s. since then. > > therefore you need to make > a plan of action. > > in anycase, contact the tech > support for advice. they might > be friendly and concerned with > the issue you are experiencing > and offer advice for free. > > also, here is the instructions > to install the command console, > eg recovery console/repair console > from the files located on your disk: > > http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&setlang=en-us&q=install+command+console&mkt=en-us > > in addition, so that you can minimize > the risk of corrupting your system, > do not install software or freeware > without thoroughly researching its > compatiability with your system. > > in doing so, you may inadverdently > corrupt your system. > > also, i strongly recommend to use > the below every week or so. it will also > help reduce your risks as well: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm > > in closing, you might want to > open your pc and take a look > at the cables to your harddrive. > > be sure that none are connected > loosely or the cables are bent or > frayed. > > -------------- > > also, you might want to consider/plan > buying/adding an additional harddrive > where you can keep copies of > your personal files, in the event > you have to wipe away the main > disk. > > an easy method to apply to a > secondary harddrive would be to > move your entire my documents > folder from the system drive and > into the new location via > the option provided in the > properties of "my documents" > -- > > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >
Guest R. McCarty Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors Chkdsk being run from a Command Prompt window can return results that aren't always valid. Certain Boot time drivers/services will interfere with Chkdsk. I've personally seen a number of machines where the Windows volume will almost 100% of the time return the "Free Space" issue and running Chkdsk with /Fix or /Repair qualifiers will never resolve it. The problem ( or underlying problem ) may be the Disk controller and not the drive/volume itself. "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A98589B2-F284-4D8F-A202-31AD22010A91@microsoft.com... > Thanks for the ideas. > > I have tried a chkdsk /f (and from a microsoft link I found chkdsk /r /x). > They do ask for a reboot to run the test. These sometimes fix errors but > usually only the 'orphaned' file types mentioned above. Once, I seem to > recall, it did say it had found and repaired errors in the filesystem. > > Agreed re Factory restore discs, I'll keep a better eye out when I get my > next PC. > > I do back the complete PC up every month or so, to an external USB2 HD and > have at least 3 archives running worth of backups, so hopefully I should > be > able to recover most if not all - assuming the worst happens. > > I have now emailed the PCs tech support, awaiting reply. > > I'll take a look at the links you sent - thanks. > > > Regarding the specific queries, and mainly for my interest, is there an MS > explanation as to what something like "Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w > (187182) into directory file '33825" means? i.e. where are the opr015h and > 33825 files located, has it actually fixed/repaired something or just > 'tidied > up the garbage'? I tried a search for the files and found nothing. > > Also is this a usual response when running chkdsk against C: (without a > reboot)? > >> CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the >> master file table (MFT) bitmap. >> Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. >> Windows found problems with the file system. >> Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. > > I don't get that on D: or E:, only against C: > > > Once again - Thanks. > > > > "db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. ." wrote: > >> you can launch a command >> console from the desktop by >> installing its option to launch >> into the boot menu. >> >> the problem is however, >> that having only the ability >> to perform a factory restore >> on the pc puts the data and >> files you have accumulated >> at great risk because as you >> can see at this time, you are >> experiencing issues with the >> o.s.; although i don't beleive this >> particular issue is serious, since >> your checkdisk reports no flaws. >> >> but there will be a time in the >> future that your o.s. may simply >> become corrupted for what >> ever reason and not functional >> for you. >> >> so if such an event occurs, >> the only option that you have >> at this time is to do a factory >> restore which wipes away >> everything off the disk and >> returns it to ground zero - as >> it was when you first got it a >> few years ago. >> >> and as you know, there has >> been hundreds of updates to >> the o.s. since then. >> >> therefore you need to make >> a plan of action. >> >> in anycase, contact the tech >> support for advice. they might >> be friendly and concerned with >> the issue you are experiencing >> and offer advice for free. >> >> also, here is the instructions >> to install the command console, >> eg recovery console/repair console >> from the files located on your disk: >> >> http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?form=MSHOME&setlang=en-us&q=install+command+console&mkt=en-us >> >> in addition, so that you can minimize >> the risk of corrupting your system, >> do not install software or freeware >> without thoroughly researching its >> compatiability with your system. >> >> in doing so, you may inadverdently >> corrupt your system. >> >> also, i strongly recommend to use >> the below every week or so. it will also >> help reduce your risks as well: >> >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm >> >> in closing, you might want to >> open your pc and take a look >> at the cables to your harddrive. >> >> be sure that none are connected >> loosely or the cables are bent or >> frayed. >> >> -------------- >> >> also, you might want to consider/plan >> buying/adding an additional harddrive >> where you can keep copies of >> your personal files, in the event >> you have to wipe away the main >> disk. >> >> an easy method to apply to a >> secondary harddrive would be to >> move your entire my documents >> folder from the system drive and >> into the new location via >> the option provided in the >> properties of "my documents" >> -- >> >> db·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >
Guest George_222 Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors OK, thanks for the info. I'll run it via the /f and reboot options rather than just from the command prompt in future. Re the disc controller, is there any way to test it in the PC from the desktop GUI, or is it a change cards/cables type affair? I have looked in things like 'Device Manager' and it always seems to show both the discs and the controllers as being OK (no warnings or red crosses etc). But I guess thats not a 100% confirmation all is well. "R. McCarty" wrote: > Chkdsk being run from a Command Prompt window can return results > that aren't always valid. Certain Boot time drivers/services will interfere > with Chkdsk. > > I've personally seen a number of machines where the Windows volume > will almost 100% of the time return the "Free Space" issue and running > Chkdsk with /Fix or /Repair qualifiers will never resolve it. > > The problem ( or underlying problem ) may be the Disk controller and > not the drive/volume itself. > > "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A98589B2-F284-4D8F-A202-31AD22010A91@microsoft.com... > > Thanks for the ideas. > > > > I have tried a chkdsk /f (and from a microsoft link I found chkdsk /r /x). > > They do ask for a reboot to run the test. These sometimes fix errors but > > usually only the 'orphaned' file types mentioned above. Once, I seem to > > recall, it did say it had found and repaired errors in the filesystem. > > > > Agreed re Factory restore discs, I'll keep a better eye out when I get my > > next PC. > > > > I do back the complete PC up every month or so, to an external USB2 HD and > > have at least 3 archives running worth of backups, so hopefully I should > > be > > able to recover most if not all - assuming the worst happens. > > > > I have now emailed the PCs tech support, awaiting reply. > > > > I'll take a look at the links you sent - thanks. > > > > > > Regarding the specific queries, and mainly for my interest, is there an MS > > explanation as to what something like "Recovering orphaned file 'opr01h5w > > (187182) into directory file '33825" means? i.e. where are the opr015h and > > 33825 files located, has it actually fixed/repaired something or just > > 'tidied > > up the garbage'? I tried a search for the files and found nothing. > > > > Also is this a usual response when running chkdsk against C: (without a > > reboot)? > > > >> CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the > >> master file table (MFT) bitmap. > >> Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. > >> Windows found problems with the file system. > >> Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. > > > > I don't get that on D: or E:, only against C: > > > > > > Once again - Thanks. > >
Guest R. McCarty Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set any unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their native/maximum mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might want to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your drive(s). You can download a number of tools that will return test values for items like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. Here's a program I use: http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EB8F706F-13C8-4A7D-A1C0-A62D72157D53@microsoft.com... > OK, thanks for the info. I'll run it via the /f and reboot options rather > than just from the command prompt in future. > > Re the disc controller, is there any way to test it in the PC from the > desktop GUI, or is it a change cards/cables type affair? > > I have looked in things like 'Device Manager' and it always seems to show > both the discs and the controllers as being OK (no warnings or red crosses > etc). But I guess thats not a 100% confirmation all is well. > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > >> Chkdsk being run from a Command Prompt window can return results >> that aren't always valid. Certain Boot time drivers/services will >> interfere >> with Chkdsk. >> >> I've personally seen a number of machines where the Windows volume >> will almost 100% of the time return the "Free Space" issue and running >> Chkdsk with /Fix or /Repair qualifiers will never resolve it. >> >> The problem ( or underlying problem ) may be the Disk controller and >> not the drive/volume itself. >> >> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:A98589B2-F284-4D8F-A202-31AD22010A91@microsoft.com... >> > Thanks for the ideas. >> > >> > I have tried a chkdsk /f (and from a microsoft link I found chkdsk /r >> > /x). >> > They do ask for a reboot to run the test. These sometimes fix errors >> > but >> > usually only the 'orphaned' file types mentioned above. Once, I seem to >> > recall, it did say it had found and repaired errors in the filesystem. >> > >> > Agreed re Factory restore discs, I'll keep a better eye out when I get >> > my >> > next PC. >> > >> > I do back the complete PC up every month or so, to an external USB2 HD >> > and >> > have at least 3 archives running worth of backups, so hopefully I >> > should >> > be >> > able to recover most if not all - assuming the worst happens. >> > >> > I have now emailed the PCs tech support, awaiting reply. >> > >> > I'll take a look at the links you sent - thanks. >> > >> > >> > Regarding the specific queries, and mainly for my interest, is there an >> > MS >> > explanation as to what something like "Recovering orphaned file >> > 'opr01h5w >> > (187182) into directory file '33825" means? i.e. where are the opr015h >> > and >> > 33825 files located, has it actually fixed/repaired something or just >> > 'tidied >> > up the garbage'? I tried a search for the files and found nothing. >> > >> > Also is this a usual response when running chkdsk against C: (without a >> > reboot)? >> > >> >> CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the >> >> master file table (MFT) bitmap. >> >> Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap. >> >> Windows found problems with the file system. >> >> Run CHKDSK with the /F (fix) option to correct these. >> > >> > I don't get that on D: or E:, only against C: >> > >> > >> > Once again - Thanks. >> > >
Guest George_222 Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors OK - Thanks again. Thats given me a few more things to consider. The drive is a Sata 150, 7200rpm. When the PC was about 18 months old, I did check the speed using Si-Soft Sandra. Can't remember exactly what it was, but seemed correct to the PC info I had been given. This may seem daft but how do you check the cluster size in Windows? The PC was NTFS from day 1 as suppplied by the manufacturer. I assume I need something like Partition Magic. "R. McCarty" wrote: > There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set any > unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the > taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their native/maximum > mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device > combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might want > to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. > *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the > resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. > > Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your drive(s). > You can download a number of tools that will return test values for items > like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. > Here's a program I use: > http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ >
Guest R. McCarty Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors If you do a Chkdsk on any volume, as part of the statistics shown will be a _____ Bytes in each allocation Cluster. You can determine what cluster size the volume is by this value. "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9C6F6A1A-299E-499F-91C8-01D185ED12A8@microsoft.com... > OK - Thanks again. > > Thats given me a few more things to consider. > > The drive is a Sata 150, 7200rpm. > > When the PC was about 18 months old, I did check the speed using Si-Soft > Sandra. Can't remember exactly what it was, but seemed correct to the PC > info > I had been given. > > This may seem daft but how do you check the cluster size in Windows? The > PC > was NTFS from day 1 as suppplied by the manufacturer. I assume I need > something like Partition Magic. > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > >> There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set >> any >> unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the >> taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their >> native/maximum >> mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device >> combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might want >> to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. >> *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the >> resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. >> >> Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your >> drive(s). >> You can download a number of tools that will return test values for items >> like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. >> Here's a program I use: >> http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ >> >
Guest George_222 Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors Its a 250G HD, C: is configured to use 125G of it. Chkdsk gave - '4096 bytes in each allocation unit'. "R. McCarty" wrote: > If you do a Chkdsk on any volume, as part of the statistics shown > will be a _____ Bytes in each allocation Cluster. You can determine > what cluster size the volume is by this value. > > "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9C6F6A1A-299E-499F-91C8-01D185ED12A8@microsoft.com... > > OK - Thanks again. > > > > Thats given me a few more things to consider. > > > > The drive is a Sata 150, 7200rpm. > > > > When the PC was about 18 months old, I did check the speed using Si-Soft > > Sandra. Can't remember exactly what it was, but seemed correct to the PC > > info > > I had been given. > > > > This may seem daft but how do you check the cluster size in Windows? The > > PC > > was NTFS from day 1 as suppplied by the manufacturer. I assume I need > > something like Partition Magic. > > > > > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > > > >> There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set > >> any > >> unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the > >> taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their > >> native/maximum > >> mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device > >> combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might want > >> to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. > >> *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the > >> resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. > >> > >> Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your > >> drive(s). > >> You can download a number of tools that will return test values for items > >> like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. > >> Here's a program I use: > >> http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ > >> > > > > >
Guest R. McCarty Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors That's the expected/default value. "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B3CF1AA9-168D-4E04-88EA-742714B89496@microsoft.com... > Its a 250G HD, C: is configured to use 125G of it. > > Chkdsk gave - '4096 bytes in each allocation unit'. > > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > >> If you do a Chkdsk on any volume, as part of the statistics shown >> will be a _____ Bytes in each allocation Cluster. You can determine >> what cluster size the volume is by this value. >> >> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:9C6F6A1A-299E-499F-91C8-01D185ED12A8@microsoft.com... >> > OK - Thanks again. >> > >> > Thats given me a few more things to consider. >> > >> > The drive is a Sata 150, 7200rpm. >> > >> > When the PC was about 18 months old, I did check the speed using >> > Si-Soft >> > Sandra. Can't remember exactly what it was, but seemed correct to the >> > PC >> > info >> > I had been given. >> > >> > This may seem daft but how do you check the cluster size in Windows? >> > The >> > PC >> > was NTFS from day 1 as suppplied by the manufacturer. I assume I need >> > something like Partition Magic. >> > >> > >> > >> > "R. McCarty" wrote: >> > >> >> There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set >> >> any >> >> unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the >> >> taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their >> >> native/maximum >> >> mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device >> >> combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might >> >> want >> >> to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. >> >> *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the >> >> resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. >> >> >> >> Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your >> >> drive(s). >> >> You can download a number of tools that will return test values for >> >> items >> >> like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. >> >> Here's a program I use: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ >> >> >> > >> >> >>
Guest George_222 Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Re: CHKDSK errors Thanks all for yor responses, I've got a few things to look at now. Hopefully one or t'other will help. If the problem occurs again, I may be back. "R. McCarty" wrote: > That's the expected/default value. > > "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B3CF1AA9-168D-4E04-88EA-742714B89496@microsoft.com... > > Its a 250G HD, C: is configured to use 125G of it. > > > > Chkdsk gave - '4096 bytes in each allocation unit'. > > > > > > > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > > > >> If you do a Chkdsk on any volume, as part of the statistics shown > >> will be a _____ Bytes in each allocation Cluster. You can determine > >> what cluster size the volume is by this value. > >> > >> "George_222" <George222@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:9C6F6A1A-299E-499F-91C8-01D185ED12A8@microsoft.com... > >> > OK - Thanks again. > >> > > >> > Thats given me a few more things to consider. > >> > > >> > The drive is a Sata 150, 7200rpm. > >> > > >> > When the PC was about 18 months old, I did check the speed using > >> > Si-Soft > >> > Sandra. Can't remember exactly what it was, but seemed correct to the > >> > PC > >> > info > >> > I had been given. > >> > > >> > This may seem daft but how do you check the cluster size in Windows? > >> > The > >> > PC > >> > was NTFS from day 1 as suppplied by the manufacturer. I assume I need > >> > something like Partition Magic. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "R. McCarty" wrote: > >> > > >> >> There are certain things to check. On traditional IDE controllers set > >> >> any > >> >> unused taps from Auto to None. This prevents the OS from scanning the > >> >> taps at boot time. Verify the drives are operating at their > >> >> native/maximum > >> >> mode ( UDMA _ ). Verify device jumpering is correct for your device > >> >> combinations. Since your errors are logical, not physical you might > >> >> want > >> >> to check that the Cluster size of your Windows Volume is at 4KBytes. > >> >> *On certain setups where a FAT32 volume is converted to NTFS the > >> >> resulting cluster size can be a non-optimal size of 512 Bytes. > >> >> > >> >> Finally, you may want to test/verify the throughput speed of your > >> >> drive(s). > >> >> You can download a number of tools that will return test values for > >> >> items > >> >> like access speed, Burst and sustained throughput. > >> >> Here's a program I use: > >> >> http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/ > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >
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