Guest nemo Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Oct 9, 8:43 am, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote: > nemo wrote: > > > So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my > > options? Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly > > *ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. > > Is there a path to put XP on my machine? I am using it for design > > work and a fair percentage of the software I run is very cranky under > > Vista or some of it won't even install. So I may have to shell out > > thousands of dollars more to get new versions of applications... if > > they are even available for Vista. > > The only issue I see is that Microsoft didn't replace XP soon enough. Up > until Vista, they were releasing operating systems every 2-3 years. XP > just has a lot more history behind it, and people tend to have very > short memories. What are you talking about? Were you replying to someone else? Until now I have been running Win2k, so don't say my memory is short. I didn't convert to XP because it offered little (common theme with MS updates) and added hassles (another common theme). Do I misunderstand your point?
Guest John John (MVP) Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months nemo wrote: > On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > >>Frank wrote: >> >>>Plato wrote: >> >>>>the granter of sina wrote: >> >>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista >>>>>- the >>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3. >> >>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend >>>>>again >>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer >>>>>Windows >>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on >>>>>new >> >>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a >>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up >>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I >>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get >>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_ >>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP. >> >>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page. >> >>>"Downgrade" is the operative word. >>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything? >>>Are there that many stupid people out there? >> >>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business >>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of >>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different >>Server versions. > > > So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my > options? Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP copy out there somewhere. > Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly > *ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista Home is certainly at odds with my experience. Laptops are more frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent need to join them to domains has always and still makes business versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines. If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places! John
Guest xfile Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months > XP just has a lot more history behind it, and people tend to have very > short memories. I for one don't have short memory, but I tend to think that going through the same routine for every few years is rather foolish. It means we haven't learned anything from the past and no "progress". The best talents prevent mistakes, the middle ones fix it once for all, and the worst repeats with pride. "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:exsuaygKJHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > nemo wrote: > >> On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >>>Frank wrote: >>> >>>>Plato wrote: >>> >>>>>the granter of sina wrote: >>> >>>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista >>>>>>- the >>>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3. >>> >>>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend >>>>>>again >>>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer >>>>>>Windows >>>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on >>>>>>new >>> >>>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a >>>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up >>>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I >>>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get >>>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_ >>>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP. >>> >>>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page. >>> >>>>"Downgrade" is the operative word. >>>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything? >>>>Are there that many stupid people out there? >>> >>>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business >>>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of >>>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different >>>Server versions. >> >> >> So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my >> options? Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly >> *ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. >> Is there a path to put XP on my machine? I am using it for design >> work and a fair percentage of the software I run is very cranky under >> Vista or some of it won't even install. So I may have to shell out >> thousands of dollars more to get new versions of applications... if >> they are even available for Vista. > > The only issue I see is that Microsoft didn't replace XP soon enough. Up > until Vista, they were releasing operating systems every 2-3 years. XP > just has a lot more history behind it, and people tend to have very short > memories. >
Guest Bob I Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months xfile wrote: >>XP just has a lot more history behind it, and people tend to have very >>short memories. > > > I for one don't have short memory, but I tend to think that going through > the same routine for every few years is rather foolish. > > It means we haven't learned anything from the past and no "progress". > > The best talents prevent mistakes, the middle ones fix it once for all, and > the worst repeats with pride. > Sorry, but stuff gets replaced with new models all the time. You can't have missed that simple fact of life.
Guest xfile Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months > Sorry, but stuff gets replaced with new models all the time. You can't > have missed that simple fact of life. Meaning it has to be broken when it gets replaced with new models? Meaning what we have learned from mistakes cannot apply to the new models? Which also means you are fine with every new car you purchased with same oil leak problem as long as its a new model with new paint? "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OAjr4llKJHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > xfile wrote: > >>>XP just has a lot more history behind it, and people tend to have very >>>short memories. >> >> >> I for one don't have short memory, but I tend to think that going through >> the same routine for every few years is rather foolish. >> >> It means we haven't learned anything from the past and no "progress". >> >> The best talents prevent mistakes, the middle ones fix it once for all, >> and the worst repeats with pride. >> > > > Sorry, but stuff gets replaced with new models all the time. You can't > have missed that simple fact of life. >
Guest +Bob+ Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:39:01 -0700, "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote: >Meaning it has to be broken when it gets replaced with new models? Meaning >what we have learned from mistakes cannot apply to the new models? > >Which also means you are fine with every new car you purchased with same oil >leak problem as long as its a new model with new paint? Exactly. The problem with MS is that instead of REFINING the OS through continuous version upgrades, the REPLACE the OS with millions of lines of completely new code. The reasons for all the bugs and incompatibility are obvious. IN the days of yore, mid range manufacturers revised OS's time and time again with new releases - but they were refinements, not wholesale replacements. MS continues to give us "new" OS's that have little practical advantage over previous OS's. The only reason they sell at all is because they strong arm manufacturers into selling only the latest and then eliminate support for older versions.
Guest Frank Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months +Bob+ wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:39:01 -0700, "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote: > > >>Meaning it has to be broken when it gets replaced with new models? Meaning >>what we have learned from mistakes cannot apply to the new models? >> >>Which also means you are fine with every new car you purchased with same oil >>leak problem as long as its a new model with new paint? > > > Exactly. The problem with MS is that instead of REFINING the OS > through continuous version upgrades, the REPLACE the OS with millions > of lines of completely new code. The reasons for all the bugs and > incompatibility are obvious. IN the days of yore, mid range > manufacturers revised OS's time and time again with new releases - but > they were refinements, not wholesale replacements. > > MS continues to give us "new" OS's that have little practical > advantage over previous OS's. The only reason they sell at all is > because they strong arm manufacturers into selling only the latest and > then eliminate support for older versions. "Bullshit bob" rides again!
Guest Bob I Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months xfile wrote: >>Sorry, but stuff gets replaced with new models all the time. You can't >>have missed that simple fact of life. > > > Meaning it has to be broken when it gets replaced with new models? Meaning > what we have learned from mistakes cannot apply to the new models? > > Which also means you are fine with every new car you purchased with same oil > leak problem as long as its a new model with new paint? > Huh? New models always have different features. Broken verses how you think it should work? And things are improved from one to the next. On the otherhand, there are some inherent features that will carry over from one model to the next. Oil leak? Well the vertical split motorcycle engine case comes to mind.
Guest xfile Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months Hi, > Huh? New models always have different features. Right and that's good. Anything I said suggested you that I am against it? >Broken verses how you think it should work? No, I am a little bit of mature and knowledgeable than you suspected. Broken as it doesn't work as expected and please do not tell me that you haven't found any from this newsgroup (even you might be one of those recognize this is the ONLY support portal in the world) and that MS issued SP1 is for fun. >And things are improved from one to the next. In theory, it is but we are discussing actual performance results documented throughout the past 20+ years. >On the otherhand, there are some inherent features that will carry over >from one model to the next. Right and that's good. Anything I said suggested you that I am against it? >Oil leak? Well the vertical split motorcycle engine case comes to mind. Sorry, it could be my reading comprehension problem but I don't know what are you talking about. "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u5bx$mtKJHA.728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > xfile wrote: > >>>Sorry, but stuff gets replaced with new models all the time. You can't >>>have missed that simple fact of life. >> >> >> Meaning it has to be broken when it gets replaced with new models? >> Meaning what we have learned from mistakes cannot apply to the new >> models? >> >> Which also means you are fine with every new car you purchased with same >> oil leak problem as long as its a new model with new paint? >> > > Huh? New models always have different features. Broken verses how you > think it should work? And things are improved from one to the next. On the > otherhand, there are some inherent features that will carry over from one > model to the next. Oil leak? Well the vertical split motorcycle engine > case comes to mind. >
Guest nemo Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > nemo wrote: > > On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > >>Frank wrote: > > >>>Plato wrote: > > >>>>the granter of sina wrote: > > >>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista > >>>>>- the > >>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3. > > >>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend > >>>>>again > >>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer > >>>>>Windows > >>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on > >>>>>new > > >>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a > >>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up > >>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I > >>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get > >>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_ > >>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP. > > >>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page. > > >>>"Downgrade" is the operative word. > >>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything? > >>>Are there that many stupid people out there? > > >>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business > >>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of > >>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different > >>Server versions. > > > So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my > > options? > > Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask > the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they > support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP > copy out there somewhere. > > > Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly > > *ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. > > You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista > Home is certainly at odds with my experience. Laptops are more > frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent > need to join them to domains has always and still makes business > versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines. > If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't > looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places! > > John I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that MS needs to break software?
Guest Terry R. Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months The date and time was 10/10/2008 9:34 AM, and on a whim, nemo pounded out on the keyboard: > > I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I > said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The > machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only > come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a > selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with > a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than > one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I > would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a > choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I > would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last > three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that > MS needs to break software? Hi Nemo, Because without the constant upgrade cycle, they wouldn't be in business. They don't like users like you and me, who use it up, wear it out, make due, or do without. I was perfectly happy using W2K (and still have a partition of it). I only installed XP (at the time) so I could advise clients who were moving from Win9x. I now use it more than any other OS I have installed, but have found no reason to install Vista. The one or two clients that purchased a new computer with it pre-installed hasn't been any reason to cause me to put it on any workstations here. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest Bob I Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months nemo wrote: > On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > >>nemo wrote: >> >>>On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >>>>Frank wrote: >> >>>>>Plato wrote: >> >>>>>>the granter of sina wrote: >> >>>>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista >>>>>>>- the >>>>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3. >> >>>>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend >>>>>>>again >>>>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer >>>>>>>Windows >>>>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on >>>>>>>new >> >>>>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a >>>>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up >>>>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I >>>>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get >>>>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_ >>>>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP. >> >>>>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page. >> >>>>>"Downgrade" is the operative word. >>>>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything? >>>>>Are there that many stupid people out there? >> >>>>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business >>>>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of >>>>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different >>>>Server versions. >> >>>So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my >>>options? >> >>Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask >>the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they >>support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP >>copy out there somewhere. >> >> >>>Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly >>>*ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. >> >>You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista >>Home is certainly at odds with my experience. Laptops are more >>frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent >>need to join them to domains has always and still makes business >>versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines. >>If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't >>looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places! >> >>John > > > I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I > said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The > machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only > come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a > selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with > a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than > one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I > would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a > choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I > would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last > three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that > MS needs to break software? just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the software provider tech support.
Guest nemo Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Oct 10, 1:00 pm, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote: > nemo wrote: > > On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > >>nemo wrote: > > >>>On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > >>>>Frank wrote: > > >>>>>Plato wrote: > > >>>>>>the granter of sina wrote: > > >>>>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista > >>>>>>>- the > >>>>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3. > > >>>>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend > >>>>>>>again > >>>>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer > >>>>>>>Windows > >>>>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on > >>>>>>>new > > >>>>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a > >>>>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up > >>>>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I > >>>>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get > >>>>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_ > >>>>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP. > > >>>>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page. > > >>>>>"Downgrade" is the operative word. > >>>>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything? > >>>>>Are there that many stupid people out there? > > >>>>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business > >>>>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of > >>>>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different > >>>>Server versions. > > >>>So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my > >>>options? > > >>Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask > >>the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they > >>support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP > >>copy out there somewhere. > > >>>Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly > >>>*ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS. > > >>You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista > >>Home is certainly at odds with my experience. Laptops are more > >>frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent > >>need to join them to domains has always and still makes business > >>versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines. > >>If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't > >>looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places! > > >>John > > > I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I > > said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The > > machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only > > come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a > > selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with > > a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than > > one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I > > would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a > > choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I > > would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last > > three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that > > MS needs to break software? > > just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system > prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does > the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the > the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security > holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the > software provider tech support. How do you know that without even knowing what the software is???
Guest +Bob+ Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: > >just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system >prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does >the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the >the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security >holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the >software provider tech support. It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so "wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other things that use to work well, like networking. There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can figure out the why.
Guest Frank Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months +Bob+ wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system >>prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does >>the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the >>the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security >>holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the >>software provider tech support. > > > It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the > problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the > OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so > "wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own > software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is > that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead > of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture > that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other > things that use to work well, like networking. > > There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users > to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them > have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can > figure out the why. > > > > > > "Bullshit bob" rides again!
Guest +Bob+ Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:04:50 -0700, Frank <fab@notspam.cmm> wrote: >+Bob+ wrote: > >> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system >>>prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does >>>the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the >>>the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security >>>holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the >>>software provider tech support. >> >> >> It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the >> problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the >> OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so >> "wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own >> software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is >> that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead >> of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture >> that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other >> things that use to work well, like networking. >> >> There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users >> to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them >> have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can >> figure out the why. >> >> >"Bullshit bob" rides again! You're quite an intellectual Frank. I bet your Mom is proud of you.
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