Guest Dave Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 I just installed the first version. Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a different creature? If so, is there a way to upgrade free? Thanks,
Guest Alan Edwards Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... No, downloading updates does not turn Win98 into Win98SE. It is a different creature. You have to buy Win98SE ....Alan -- Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer http://dts-l.com/index.htm On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:01 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, Dave <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >I just installed the first version. > >Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a >different creature? > >If so, is there a way to upgrade free? > >Thanks,
Guest Dave Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... Thanks Alan!!!! "Alan Edwards" wrote: > No, downloading updates does not turn Win98 into Win98SE. It is a > different creature. > > You have to buy Win98SE > > ....Alan > -- > Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer > http://dts-l.com/index.htm > > > > > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:01 -0700, in > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, Dave > <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > >I just installed the first version. > > > >Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > >different creature? > > > >If so, is there a way to upgrade free? > > > >Thanks, >
Guest Don Phillipson Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9314187D-2A5C-4FBC-A34C-C48228CE560A@microsoft.com... > > I just installed the first version. > Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > different creature? No: main differences are: 1. Win98SE supports USB version 2 devices, which are faster than v.1. The specification came out just after Win98 and manufacturers adopted it swiftly, because faster. Hence Win98SE. 2. Win98SE also solves the "NDIS problem" which (usually) wrecked the Win98 instal routine on CPUs faster than 2.2 GHz. No free upgrade changes Win98 to Win98SE. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
Guest MEB Posted October 4, 2008 Posted October 4, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... I'll submit this related to 98FE v 98SE per your other discussion relating to drive installation and partitioning and the now installed FE. IIRC, FE has or may have drive size issues [243450{large IDE -32 GB -certain BIOS}, 263044 {64gig issue}, 273017{IDE cache}, 272620{negative HD numbers}, 311561{MSDOS HD errors}, other], which updates were offered for. It is limited to IE5.5, and needs or may need other updates as well, such as: DirectX to version 7; MDAC to version 2.5; VC to 6{depends on usage}; DUN update; Windows Installer; a once offered wucustomerservicepack1[for Gold]; rootsupd; VBrun time libraries; and several others. Both FE and SE updates through WU seem to only supply the minimum essentials so any future issue may require a little research on the issue on the Internet and/or in this group or other support forum. IIRC, last time I ran FE updates with IE5.5 and after SECCD, it installed only 9 updates. I did have to go through some of my old files to find some previously offered for a couple issues, that had not been superceded. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:37B2542D-9729-47DA-9747-E3A62F2A337B@microsoft.com... | | Thanks Alan!!!! | | | | | "Alan Edwards" wrote: | | > No, downloading updates does not turn Win98 into Win98SE. It is a | > different creature. | > | > You have to buy Win98SE | > | > ....Alan | > -- | > Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer | > http://dts-l.com/index.htm | > | > | > | > | > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:11:01 -0700, in | > microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, Dave | > <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: | > | > > | > >I just installed the first version. | > > | > >Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a | > >different creature? | > > | > >If so, is there a way to upgrade free? | > > | > >Thanks, | >
Guest philo Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9314187D-2A5C-4FBC-A34C-C48228CE560A@microsoft.com... > > I just installed the first version. > > Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > different creature? > > If so, is there a way to upgrade free? > > Thanks, You'd need to get a win98se disk probably on ebay. If you don't need USB2 then I'd probably just see how your win98 works and if it's ok...not worry about it.
Guest Dan Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... Exactly, Don. Many third party manufacturers will or at least have in the recent past supported Windows 98 Second Edition on flash drives. My HP printer uses Windows 2000 drivers on Windows 98 Second Edition and I use Windows ME drivers with the ATI Radeon 9800 XT graphics card. Windows 98 Second Edition supports the Windows Driver Model which is also used on Windows 2000 Professional. For this reason, as well as third party support I feel that Windows 98 Second Edition support will really be over after Windows 2000 Professional reaches the end of its life from Microsoft in 2010. I currently run Windows 98 Second Edition in Fat32 and XP Professional in NTFS with an Intel dual core 3.40 Ghz. Pentium 4 chip on 2 separate hard drives and it works fine. Windows 98 Second Edition only recognizes one core but does not even give any errors or anything else in device manager and works like a champ. The only big issue that I ran into was trying to run Windows 98 Second Edition with 2 gigabytes of memory and even making the appropriate software changes with the memory management article did not help but of course XP Professional worked fine with the 2 gigabytes of ram. I have since downgraded to my previous 512 mb ram chip from Crucial and Windows 98 Second Edition works fine again and I tweaked it with the below article just to be sure. I even tried making it work with msconfig with the 2 gigabytes but it would not want to run correctly and would do funny things and reboot and/or give me memory errors. The strange thing was the msconfig utility would list it as 999 megabytes from the 2 gigabytes despite what I did but it may have just been XP Professional interfering because XP Professional can see Windows 98 Second Edition in my system. I may end up using BING down the road but there is certainly a lot of documentation I would need to read through on BING and it does work well when I tested it in the past but currently I am busy with work and reading up on many of the security vulnerabilities out there to completely want to reconfigure my system and why change something when it works so well until necessary of course. http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php "Don Phillipson" wrote: > "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:9314187D-2A5C-4FBC-A34C-C48228CE560A@microsoft.com... > > > > I just installed the first version. > > Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > > different creature? > > No: main differences are: > 1. Win98SE supports USB version 2 devices, which > are faster than v.1. The specification came out just > after Win98 and manufacturers adopted it swiftly, > because faster. Hence Win98SE. > 2. Win98SE also solves the "NDIS problem" which > (usually) wrecked the Win98 instal routine on CPUs > faster than 2.2 GHz. > No free upgrade changes Win98 to Win98SE. > > -- > Don Phillipson > Carlsbad Springs > (Ottawa, Canada) > > >
Guest hermit50 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Re: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... "Dave" <Dave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9314187D-2A5C-4FBC-A34C-C48228CE560A@microsoft.com... > > I just installed the first version. > > Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > different creature? > > If so, is there a way to upgrade free? > > Thanks, Hi Dave I found this info some time ago now but thought it might be of interest to you. "What are the differences between Win98 and Win98SE?" Date: June 28th, 2001 Category: Operating Systems Author(s): AndyHui -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Main differences are as follows: Windows 98: (also known as Win98 FE (First Edition), Win98 Gold): IE 4.02 DirectX 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows 98 SE: IE 5 DirectX 6.1, More updated and complete driver library with WDM (Windows Driver Model) Support System security updates Y2K Updates Internet Connection Sharing (ICS). Better driver support. Some hardware (notably cameras) requires SE as a minimum OS. Some bug fixes and patches. And support for USB 2.0 You can bring Win98FE up to near Win98SE level by installing most of the updates available on Windows Update. The only thing not really available for download that will effectively make Win98 First Edition into Win98 Second Edition is the Internet Connection Sharing. ICS is not available for download. =================== HTH hermit50
Guest Dan Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 RE: Upgrading from Win98 to Win98 SE......................... Dave, I will also mention that many fairly recent games require a minimum of Windows 98 Second Edition and will not work on the original Windows 98 Edition. An example, of this would be the original Halo game by Microsoft for the PC. Nowadays, many newer Windows games will only work on Windows XP and Windows Vista and the simple games like puzzle games that used to require Windows 95 as a minimum now usually require Windows 98 as a minimum. "Dave" wrote: > > I just installed the first version. > > Does downloading all the updates effectively make it SE or is that a > different creature? > > If so, is there a way to upgrade free? > > Thanks,
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