Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Here's the short tale of my story. a. C-drive fails b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive c. XP is installed on a new drive. d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or false? In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if any apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. Icons are missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. All Start items are available.
Guest Andrew E. Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 RE: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Well if C: drive failed,then that would automatically require a new XP installation,probably on new hd & all other non-essential hardware discon- nected..How the printer moved OS files around is a mystery,unless its connected during the xp installation...Also,boot to xp cd to install OS. "Watty" wrote: > Here's the short tale of my story. > a. C-drive fails > b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive > c. XP is installed on a new drive. > d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program > Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders > e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up > > Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or false? > > In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if any > apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. Icons are > missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. All Start > items are available. >
Guest Daave Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered "Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:PlAGk.1762$hc1.1732@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... > Here's the short tale of my story. > a. C-drive fails > b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive > c. XP is installed on a new drive. > d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program > Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders > e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up > > Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or > false? > > In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if > any apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. > Icons are missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. > All Start items are available. Had you imaged the old hard drive and then restored the image to the new hard drive, then it would have been identical. But it sounds like you merely copied data, and this doesn't work (generally) for programs. You will need to reinstall the programs. Do yourself a favor and in the future be sure to regularly use a program like Acronis True Image. Then you'll never have to worry about losing your customized system ever again.
Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Daave wrote: > "Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:PlAGk.1762$hc1.1732@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... >> Here's the short tale of my story. >> a. C-drive fails >> b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive >> c. XP is installed on a new drive. >> d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program >> Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders >> e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up >> >> Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or >> false? >> >> In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if >> any apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. >> Icons are missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. >> All Start items are available. > > Had you imaged the old hard drive and then restored the image to the new > hard drive, then it would have been identical. But it sounds like you > merely copied data, and this doesn't work (generally) for programs. You > will need to reinstall the programs. > > Do yourself a favor and in the future be sure to regularly use a program > like Acronis True Image. Then you'll never have to worry about losing > your customized system ever again. > > I think unstoppable is an image copy. That's what it looked like to me as it showed copy activity. If it's not, then where do I get Acronis or a free package? Apparently then, I did the right thing in expected the master boot sector to be created, so the old XP would be used.
Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Andrew E. wrote: > Well if C: drive failed,then that would automatically require a new XP > installation,probably on new hd & all other non-essential hardware discon- > nected..How the printer moved OS files around is a mystery,unless its > connected during the xp installation...Also,boot to xp cd to install OS. > > "Watty" wrote: > >> Here's the short tale of my story. >> a. C-drive fails >> b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive >> c. XP is installed on a new drive. >> d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program >> Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders >> e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up >> >> Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or false? >> >> In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if any >> apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. Icons are >> missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. All Start >> items are available. >> Printer? In principle then,what I did should have worked. I think the software is an image copier. The trick in all this was to create a boot sector, so I am told.
Guest Mick Murphy Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Unstoppable copier is for Data recovery from bad files! Google it! http://www.acronis.com.au/ Acronis True Image; you buy it. -- Mad Mike "Watty" wrote: > Daave wrote: > > "Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > news:PlAGk.1762$hc1.1732@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... > >> Here's the short tale of my story. > >> a. C-drive fails > >> b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive > >> c. XP is installed on a new drive. > >> d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program > >> Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders > >> e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up > >> > >> Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or > >> false? > >> > >> In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if > >> any apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. > >> Icons are missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. > >> All Start items are available. > > > > Had you imaged the old hard drive and then restored the image to the new > > hard drive, then it would have been identical. But it sounds like you > > merely copied data, and this doesn't work (generally) for programs. You > > will need to reinstall the programs. > > > > Do yourself a favor and in the future be sure to regularly use a program > > like Acronis True Image. Then you'll never have to worry about losing > > your customized system ever again. > > > > > I think unstoppable is an image copy. That's what it looked like to me > as it showed copy activity. > > If it's not, then where do I get Acronis or a free package? > > Apparently then, I did the right thing in expected the master boot > sector to be created, so the old XP would be used. >
Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Mick Murphy wrote: > Unstoppable copier is for Data recovery from bad files! > Google it! > > http://www.acronis.com.au/ > > Acronis True Image; you buy it. But is it an image copy, and not simply a transfer?
Guest Paul Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Watty wrote: > Mick Murphy wrote: >> Unstoppable copier is for Data recovery from bad files! >> Google it! >> >> http://www.acronis.com.au/ >> >> Acronis True Image; you buy it. > But is it an image copy, and not simply a transfer? You have forgotten one other useful resource. When you buy the new hard drive, you can go to the manufacturer's web site, and download their tools. Say you bought a Seagate drive. Discwizard manual. The logo on the first page of the manual says "powered by Acronis" :-) http://www.seagate.com/support/discwizard/dw_ug.en.pdf Discwizard program download. http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=DiscWizard&vgnextoid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD I think I see a "clone disk" option in the manual. If the program was installed on a second computer, and the old and new drives were connected to that second computer, then you should be able to clone one drive to the other. (There are undoubtedly other options, if you're a rocket scientist.) If you want to perform some repairs to a disk, you can try this program. Since this is an "in-place" repair, you'd want to try your best to copy the disk, before running this. Because there is always a chance, a program like this can mess up a disk worse than it already is. I really prefer to work on a copy of a busted thing, because if the repair goes wrong, I can try again. I learned this many years ago, when a repair utility ruined a disk for me. Now, the first thing I try to do, is copy if possible. So even in that case, a tool like the above could be used to make that essential copy. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step Paul
Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Paul wrote: > Watty wrote: >> Mick Murphy wrote: >>> Unstoppable copier is for Data recovery from bad files! >>> Google it! >>> >>> http://www.acronis.com.au/ >>> >>> Acronis True Image; you buy it. > >> But is it an image copy, and not simply a transfer? > > You have forgotten one other useful resource. When you > buy the new hard drive, you can go to the manufacturer's > web site, and download their tools. > > Say you bought a Seagate drive. > > Discwizard manual. The logo on the first page of the manual > says "powered by Acronis" :-) > > http://www.seagate.com/support/discwizard/dw_ug.en.pdf > > Discwizard program download. > http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=DiscWizard&vgnextoid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD > > > I think I see a "clone disk" option in the manual. If > the program was installed on a second computer, and the > old and new drives were connected to that second computer, > then you should be able to clone one drive to the other. > (There are undoubtedly other options, if you're a rocket > scientist.) > > If you want to perform some repairs to a disk, you can > try this program. Since this is an "in-place" repair, you'd > want to try your best to copy the disk, before running this. > Because there is always a chance, a program like this can > mess up a disk worse than it already is. I really prefer to > work on a copy of a busted thing, because if the repair > goes wrong, I can try again. I learned this many years ago, > when a repair utility ruined a disk for me. Now, the > first thing I try to do, is copy if possible. So even > in that case, a tool like the above could be used to make > that essential copy. > > http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step > > Paul Thanks for the tips. I'll contact WD. I have a 30 day period to get help.
Guest Watty Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered I just noticed something interesting about this re-build from the restored disk contents. On the Start menu, I see a title that I used in the install to the new drive. If my unstoppable copier was an image copy, I would think it would be the old title. ?? Maybe I do need a different copier program.
Guest Jim Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered "Watty" <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:3OHGk.2646$ZP4.2383@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com... >I just noticed something interesting about this re-build from the restored >disk contents. On the Start menu, I see a title that I used in the install >to the new drive. If my unstoppable copier was an image copy, I would think >it would be the old title. ?? Maybe I do need a different copier program. What you need is a good backup program like Acronis True Image. I had a similar experience with my laptop early last spring. The one and only hard drive died. So, I bought a new one. As it happens, I have a backup to a DVD of the contents of said hard drive. I also have another computer handy. I installed the new drive in a USB enclosure and connected the drive to my other computer. I got the latest monthly backup DVDs out and created a backup file on a disk in the other computer. I then restored the backup to the new laptop disk. Finally, I installed the new disk into the laptop. In a couple of hours or so, I had my laptop up and running. Jim
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:05:11 -0700, Watty <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Here's the short tale of my story. > a. C-drive fails > b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive If the drive actually failed, how were you able to do this? > c. XP is installed on a new drive. > d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program > Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders > e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up > > Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True or false? Since you've said nothing about what software you used to do the captures/copies, I can't answer that question. But I'll mention that if you tried to do it with built-in Windows functions, it will never work properly. Third-party software is required for such functions. > In my case, it wasn't, but the desktop looked good. However, few if any > apps from there would fire up. One large non-MS app fires up. Icons are > missing from the tray. Folder contents seem to be in order. All Start > items are available. Moreover, did you install XP from scratch, them copy your applications from the backup external drive? If so, that never works for the great majority of applications. That's because there are pieces of those applications within the Windows folder (in the registry and elsewhere) that you lose entirely when you do this. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Daave Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:05:11 -0700, Watty <notvalid@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> Here's the short tale of my story. >> a. C-drive fails >> b. All contents of the c-drive are captured onto an external drive > > > If the drive actually failed, how were you able to do this? That's a good question. Does OP mean that the hard drive is shot? (Or on its way out?) Or does OP mean that although the drive is healthy, the Windows installation isn't working? What makes this more difficult is OP is not sticking to the original thread. It looks like he has started six (!) threads within the last 24 hours. Hard to keep track of all that! >> c. XP is installed on a new drive. >> d. unstoppable copier puts contents of external on new drive. Program >> Files folders and all else are replaced with the 'old' folders >> e. Put new c-drive into machine and boot up >> >> Supposedly the new drive should be identical to the original. True >> or false? > > > Since you've said nothing about what software you used to do the > captures/copies, I can't answer that question. Yes, he did. He said that he used some program called "unstoppable copier."
hoskerism Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Acronis creates an image of your C: drive, so in theory you should be able to restore your installation to a new drive and away you go...
Guest Paul Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Re: Foiled Again? XP Not Quite Recovered Watty wrote: > I just noticed something interesting about this re-build from the > restored disk contents. On the Start menu, I see a title that I used in > the install to the new drive. If my unstoppable copier was an image > copy, I would think it would be the old title. ?? Maybe I do need a > different copier program. If your new drive is a Western Digital, you can download their tools for copying a disk. http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=613&sid=1&lang=en "The downloadable Data Lifeguard Tools now comes in both DOS and Windows versions and was written specifically for the installation of Western Digital EIDE hard drives. If your computer system already has a hard drive installed with an operating system of Windows 98SE or greater, you should use the Windows version of Data Lifeguard for best results. The DOS version is required if installing a hard drive in a new system without existing operating system support. If you plan on copying the contents of a boot drive, Western Digital recommends using the DOS version of Data Lifeguard Tools." When you go to their download link, they list tools according to what drive you bought. So that page is just an example. Paul
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