Guest ms Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 Advice? MS
Guest PCR Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question ms wrote: | I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, | long ago. Many cold boots since then. | | But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. | | The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: | tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 | | Advice? Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! | MS -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest ms Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. >| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. >| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 >| >| Advice? > > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter > day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure > what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! > >| MS > Thanks, PCR, I haven't posted for about a year here, glad to see you're still helping people. ms
Guest PCR Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question ms wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. |>| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. |>| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 |>| |>| Advice? |> |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a |> shortcut! |> |>| MS |> | | Thanks, PCR, I haven't posted for about a year here, glad to see | you're still helping people. You are welcome. Yea, I'm still here all right. Good to see you back too. | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest thanatoid Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop >| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. >| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. >| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 >| >| Advice? > > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken > by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows > anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing with-- a > shortcut or not a shortcut! > >| MS > Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it! (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.) The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas ever, giving people another way out of /ever/ understanding the idea of directory and file structures or disk organization in general. -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - Josef Stalin
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >ms wrote: >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. >| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. >| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 >| >| Advice? > >Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter >day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure >what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! > >| MS I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry. Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:liute4t1m9ic7fpm81h4bqi1bo26smt28n@4ax.com... | On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put | finger to keyboard and composed: | | >ms wrote: | >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, | >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. | >| | >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. | >| | >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: | >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 | >| | >| Advice? | > | >Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter | >day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure | >what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! | > | >| MS | | I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry. | Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs. | | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. Uhm, just a caution... when you make the show all extension changes in the registry you have to remember that if you then modify a shortcut you MUST remember to provide the "full" extension with the *.*.* [pif, link,etc.] or they will not work. There are other extension which will also be shown which you may not recognize. YES, it is a good security measure, however, many people may make the wrong judgments due to having never seeing those extensions before. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~
Guest PCR Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question thanatoid wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in | news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. |>| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. |>| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 |>| |>| Advice? |> |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken |> by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows |> anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing with-- a |> shortcut or not a shortcut! |> |>| MS |> | | Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it! | | (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.) | | The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them | FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas ever, | giving people another way out of /ever/ understanding the idea | of directory and file structures or disk organization in | general. I always rename my desktop shortcuts. So, that doesn't bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer or your substitute for that! Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging & dropping them can produce different results, & you don't want to accidentally delete an important app! | -- | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the | votes decide everything. | - Josef Stalin -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question Franc Zabkar wrote: | On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:32:11 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put | finger to keyboard and composed: | |>ms wrote: |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. |>| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. |>| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 |>| |>| Advice? |> |>Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a |>latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know |>for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! |> |>| MS | | I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry. | Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs. Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. Otherwise, I guess I have no objection, but I know little about it. What is the advantage? In Explorer, they show up as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut", or "Shortcut to MS-DOS Program" in the type column-- without having made any Registry tweak. | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:54:05 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Franc Zabkar wrote: >| I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the registry. >| Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs. > >Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. Otherwise, I >guess I have no objection, but I know little about it. What is the >advantage? In Explorer, they show up as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut", >or "Shortcut to MS-DOS Program" in the type column-- without having made >any Registry tweak. What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be clicking on a harmless text file. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest thanatoid Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:uyZJ2KzKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: <SNIP> >|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was >|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep >|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing >|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! >|> >|>| MS >|> >| >| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it! >| >| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.) >| >| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them >| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas >| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/ >| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or >| disk organization in general. > > I always rename my desktop shortcuts. I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and /THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them. > So, that doesn't > bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect > to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer > or your substitute for that! No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word. Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything is another subject.) I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!) And I believe most people are quite happy with it. The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up. Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time. > Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your > greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are > dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging & > dropping them can produce different results, & you don't > want to accidentally delete an important app! As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether shortcuts or programs or whatever. Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C: drive with 500 "folders". "Where did that come from?" "Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!" "What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del] "What's a "recycle bin"? (...) "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone no?" [$$$$$$] I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say, (almost) everyone loved it. (blah blah blah blah blah...........) Sigh. -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - Josef Stalin
Guest thanatoid Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:O7Zy7NzKJHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: <SNIP> > Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. > Otherwise, I guess I have no objection, but I know little > about it. What is the advantage? In Explorer, they show up > as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut", or "Shortcut to MS-DOS > Program" in the type column-- without having made any > Registry tweak. Assuming you actually have the "details" view enabled. Certainly you know most people have extensions off (#1 award for THE worst default ever, MS), "big icons" view /de rigeur/, and never heard of editing the registry, or perhaps even the registry itself. After all, it IS a hidden file(s) :-) "Dad! Where did all my pretty icons go? I can't READ all this stuff? My head hurts! Where is clippy?" -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - Josef Stalin
Guest ms Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. >| >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. >| >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 >| >| Advice? > > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter > day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure > what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! > >| MS > I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? ms
Guest MEB Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question There are a couple of ways from creating blank/transparent pics - to registry modifications, many of which have been previously discussed in this forum, here's one from an MVP on another help forum: http://discussions.virtualdr.com/showthread.php?t=40000 March 18th, 2002, 09:50 AM Steve R Jones Site Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Dallas, Tx. Posts: 15,948 Shell32 Security Patch Disables TweakUI Function The new Microsoft security patch for the Windows shell that replaces the shell32.dll file (Q313829) also disables the function of TweakUI for removing shortcut arrows on Desktop icons. To Remove shortcut icon arrows: - Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\LNKFILE\IsShortcut] - Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\PIFFILE\IsShortcut] ------------------ Be sure and visit me at our sister site. SysOpt -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:6lcfu9FbqqfhU1@mid.individual.net... | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | | > ms wrote: | >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, | >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. | >| | >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. | >| | >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: | >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 | >| | >| Advice? | > | > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter | > day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure | > what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! | > | >| MS | > | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" | | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but those | arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. | | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there | any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? | | ms
Guest MEB Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here: http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm DITCH THOSE ARROWS! Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut. A "HACK" uses a resource hacker tool to change shell32 Shortcut Icon to transparent or nothing. TweakUI doesn't work because the location and addressing changed with the security update. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OzLnaQ%23KJHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | There are a couple of ways from creating blank/transparent pics - to | registry modifications, many of which have been previously discussed in this | forum, here's one from an MVP on another help forum: | | http://discussions.virtualdr.com/showthread.php?t=40000 | March 18th, 2002, 09:50 AM | Steve R Jones | Site Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999 | Location: Dallas, Tx. | Posts: 15,948 | | Shell32 Security Patch Disables TweakUI Function | | The new Microsoft security patch for the Windows shell that replaces the | shell32.dll file (Q313829) also disables the function of TweakUI for | removing shortcut arrows on Desktop icons. | | To Remove shortcut icon arrows: | | - Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\LNKFILE\IsShortcut] | - Delete [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\PIFFILE\IsShortcut] | | | ------------------ | Be sure and visit me at our sister site. SysOpt | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.org | a Peoples' counsel | _ _ | ~~ | "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message | news:6lcfu9FbqqfhU1@mid.individual.net... | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 | | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | | | | > ms wrote: | | >| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop shortcuts, | | >| long ago. Many cold boots since then. | | >| | | >| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. | | >| | | >| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: | | >| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 | | >| | | >| Advice? | | > | | > Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a latter | | > day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to know for sure | | > what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! | | > | | >| MS | | > | | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" | | | | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but those | | arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. | | | | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there | | any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? | | | | ms | |
Guest PCR Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question ms wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | |> ms wrote: |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. |>| |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. |>| |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 |>| |>| Advice? |> |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a |> shortcut! |> |>| MS |> | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" | | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but | those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. | | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there | any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if disaster should strike! | ms -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question thanatoid wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in | news:uyZJ2KzKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | | <SNIP> | |>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was |>|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep |>|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing |>|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! |>|> |>|>| MS |>|> |>| |>| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it! |>| |>| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.) |>| |>| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them |>| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas |>| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/ |>| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or |>| disk organization in general. |> |> I always rename my desktop shortcuts. | | I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer | in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and | /THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to | make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program | opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files | in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- | clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is | black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more | annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them. Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry about all of that! |> So, that doesn't |> bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect |> to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer |> or your substitute for that! | | No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about | the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word. | Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls | tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't | work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their | computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people | are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything | is another subject.) In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows whether some of those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that process!? | I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people | really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al | are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to | be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!) | | And I believe most people are quite happy with it. Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to understand the inner workings if you want-- but just go with convenience if you don't! | The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting | partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is | totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight | only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up. I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a full system backup is a tad more difficult to do. | Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time. There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting things solved here. |> Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your |> greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are |> dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging & |> dropping them can produce different results, & you don't |> want to accidentally delete an important app! | | As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that | you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether | shortcuts or programs or whatever. | | Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how | /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C: | drive with 500 "folders". Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of which is "cancel"! | "Where did that come from?" | | "Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!" | | "What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del] | | "What's a "recycle bin"? R-Drag with the mouse instead of L-Drag to cut those questions in half! | (...) | | "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone | no?" | | [$$$$$$] | | I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is | unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything | look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say, | (almost) everyone loved it. | | (blah blah blah blah blah...........) | | Sigh. Don't worry. Those who have permanently quit us for XP/Vista will be back when they have turned half purple of the irradiation! | -- | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the | votes decide everything. | - Josef Stalin -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question Franc Zabkar wrote: | On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:54:05 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put | finger to keyboard and composed: | |>Franc Zabkar wrote: | |>| I have "unhidden" the PIF and LNK extensions by editing the |>| registry. Now I see all my desktop shortcuts as .PIFs or .LNKs. |> |>Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. Otherwise, I |>guess I have no objection, but I know little about it. What is the |>advantage? In Explorer, they show up as "Shortcut", "Internet |>Shortcut", or "Shortcut to MS-DOS Program" in the type column-- |>without having made any Registry tweak. | | What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could | that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be | clicking on a harmless text file. I didn't think of that. But I do have avast!'s E-Mail checker activated... X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081010-0, 10/10/2008), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean ...., not to mention the WEB Shield. Also, wouldn't the .lnk still highlight with a different color when pointed at-- even if does look like a .txt? | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest PCR Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question thanatoid wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in | news:O7Zy7NzKJHA.3756@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | | <SNIP> | |> Well, I see MEB has listed serious cautions about that. |> Otherwise, I guess I have no objection, but I know little |> about it. What is the advantage? In Explorer, they show up |> as "Shortcut", "Internet Shortcut", or "Shortcut to MS-DOS |> Program" in the type column-- without having made any |> Registry tweak. | | Assuming you actually have the "details" view enabled. Certainly | you know most people have extensions off (#1 award for THE worst | default ever, MS), "big icons" view /de rigeur/, and never heard | of editing the registry, or perhaps even the registry itself. | After all, it IS a hidden file(s) :-) If so-- all the more reason to keep your arrows! | "Dad! Where did all my pretty icons go? I can't READ all this | stuff? My head hurts! Where is clippy?" LOL! | -- | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the | votes decide everything. | - Josef Stalin -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:56:16 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Franc Zabkar wrote: >| What if you received an email attachment named filename.txt.lnk? Could >| that be exploited by malware? As far as you would know, you would be >| clicking on a harmless text file. > >I didn't think of that. But I do have avast!'s E-Mail checker >activated... > >X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081010-0, 10/10/2008), Inbound message >X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > >..., not to mention the WEB Shield. Also, wouldn't the .lnk still >highlight with a different color when pointed at-- even if does look >like a .txt? Probably, but then my brain would always need to be in gear to make sure I noticed it. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:eXTfi7%23KJHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | ms wrote: | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 | | @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: | | | |> ms wrote: | |>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop | |>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. | |>| | |>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. | |>| | |>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: | |>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 | |>| | |>| Advice? | |> | |> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a | |> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to | |> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a | |> shortcut! | |> | |>| MS | |> | | I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" | | | | I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but | | those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. | | | | If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there | | any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? | | I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if | disaster should strike! | | | ms | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR Well, I certainly don't want ms to enable viewing ALL extensions or disabling certain needed aspects for Windows other functions or files. Its a toss-up, either we supply something here or ms will likely look elsewhere as was done before, and then there potentially WOULD be a mess to cleanup. I didn't address other more potentially dangerous modifications, only those which might be associated with the desktop shortcuts {for the most part}, shortcuts and pifs. This isn't meant as derogatory towards ms or others... just trying to be as safe as possible, yet deal with the issue in some fashion. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~
Guest thanatoid Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:em6CKO$KJHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: <SNIP> >| understand that /A/ program opens /A/ file and that it is >| not a bad idea to keep those files in /A/ specific >| /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- clicking to >| properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is black >| magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more >| annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them. > > Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to > know what your dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut > -- than to worry about all of that! No offense, please, but talking to a brick wall comes to mind... <SNIP> > In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target > will cause it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, > you may decide whether it is an acceptable copy or whether > to look in the Recycle Bin or to try a 3rd-party undelete. > All of that is good! Who knows whether some of those tweaks > that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that > process!? I don't think that would happen even though we ARE talking about a MS OS. >| I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people >| really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS >| et al are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". >| That used to be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media >| Edition"!!! Yeay!!!) >| >| And I believe most people are quite happy with it. > > Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to > understand the inner workings if you want-- but just go > with convenience if you don't! "Give me convenience or give me death." - Jello Biafra, Dead Kennedys <SNIP> > I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is > that a full system backup is a tad more difficult to do. Very happy to hear it. Still, who needs a "full system" backup? One of the MANY reasons for partitions is that you backup or image C and never have to worry about "system" again. All your other stuff is organized according to your preferences and can be backed up once a day or once a year depending on how important it is and how often the content is changed. >| Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time. > > There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting > things solved here. Had to look at the bright side, huh ;-# <SNIP> >| Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and >| how /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an >| 800 GB C: drive with 500 "folders". > > Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules > every time one forgets them (if one ever knew them all in > the first place) -- I've learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag > everything instead of L-Drag. That way you get a choice > when the button is released-- not the least of which is > "cancel"! No, you simply NEVER open WE and you use a /real/ file manager. I have mentioned my favorite enough times but ANYTHING is better than WE. Cheers, t. -- Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. - Josef Stalin
Guest Dan Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question PCR, I just don't get it because new Microsoft operating systems seem to continue to be loaded down with more and more stuff and Microsoft is not the only guilty party. Apple has been doing this with I-tunes and adding in Quicktime and Bonjour to the mix. It really is annoying and frustrating to me because the software and operating systems become more toy-like and the users seem to want more and more but not have the interest or the time to understand the smallest aspects of the operating systems and the software. I remember and appreciate having started gaming with cartridge games and King's Quest 1 for the IBM PCjr and simple 4 color games. I also played lots of text-based games like the Zork series and Wishbringer by Infocom. These text based games gave me an appreciation of the text based interface and I still prefer reading actual books and the actual newspaper. I am concerned and worried about this and future generations because they are just having everything in graphics and so many having everything done so simply so how can they appreciate the goodness of life and the fresh air outdoors and just enjoy being in Nature and being thankful for everything they have despite the crap that life has thrown at them. You know it is just me venting because XP Professional is now having serious issues. Fortunately, 98 Second Edition does not seem to have the problems that XP Pro. has and I certainly think XP Pro. has been overrated. Do not worry because 98 Second Edition remains my favorite Microsoft Operating System despite having used MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP Home and Pro., Windows Vista, etc. I am slowly starting the transition to Ubuntu Linux where my future computing needs will partially remain as well as using Windows as needed. "PCR" wrote: > thanatoid wrote: > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in > | news:uyZJ2KzKJHA.920@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > | > | <SNIP> > | > |>|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was > |>|> broken by a latter day Windows Update. You should keep > |>|> your arrows anyhow to know for sure what you are dealing > |>|> with-- a shortcut or not a shortcut! > |>|> > |>|>| MS > |>|> > |>| > |>| Yeah, if you're a MORON! Install BOB while you're at it! > |>| > |>| (/NOT/ to be taken personally, please.) > |>| > |>| The "shortcuts to 'documents' " (fubar forbid we call them > |>| FILES) on the desktop was one of MS's 10 stupidest ideas > |>| ever, giving people another way out of /ever/ > |>| understanding the idea of directory and file structures or > |>| disk organization in general. > |> > |> I always rename my desktop shortcuts. > | > | I only have desktop shortcuts to programs. I am a firm believer > | in basics, and one of those is that you open a /program/, and > | /THEN/ you open the file. All the crap MS has inflicted on us to > | make it easier on people who cannot understand that /A/ program > | opens /A/ file and that it is not a bad idea to keep those files > | in /A/ specific /DIRECTORY/ (as you know, easily done right- > | clicking to properties and "start in" - admittedly, even that is > | black magic to 95% of "computer users") has only created more > | annoyances, even if one gets paid to resolve them. > > Nevertheless, you must keep your arrows! It's better to know what your > dealing with -- shortcut or not a shortcut -- than to worry about all of > that! > > |> So, that doesn't > |> bother me. As far as directory structure, you can't expect > |> to see that on the desktop, anyhow. You see it in Explorer > |> or your substitute for that! > | > | No, but concepts and logic are system-wide (I'm talking about > | the "human brain") and "travel" for lack of a better word. > | Someone who has never seen a two-pane file manager and calls > | tech support when their "desktop shortcut" to a file doesn't > | work has NO chance of ever understanding the structure of their > | computer and many other things as well. (The fact most people > | are incapable of thinking and don't WANT to understand anything > | is another subject.) > > In some cases, clicking a shortcut that has lost its target will cause > it to go on a searching for it. Then, if found, you may decide whether > it is an acceptable copy or whether to look in the Recycle Bin or to try > a 3rd-party undelete. All of that is good! Who knows whether some of > those tweaks that turn off shortcut arrows will interfere with that > process!? > > | I readily admit we have gone far beyond any hope of people > | really understanding how to use computers, and all that MS et al > | are doing is making them the REAL "idiot box #2". That used to > | be just a joke, now it's a reality ("Media Edition"!!! Yeay!!!) > | > | And I believe most people are quite happy with it. > > Convenience is a good thing. You can STILL seek to understand the inner > workings if you want-- but just go with convenience if you don't! > > | The fact I have been attacked many times just for suggesting > | partitions are a good idea is proof enough that the situation is > | totally hopeless. Apparently people ENJOY defragging overnight > | only to find their 800 GB C: drive has frozen when they wake up. > > I've finally gone to multiple partitions. My only regret is that a full > system backup is a tad more difficult to do. > > | Still, posting in these groups /is/ a way of killing time. > > There's also a certain sense of accomplishment getting things solved > here. > > |> Keep your arrows, unless William Tell is your > |> greatgrandfather! There are times to know what you are > |> dealing with-- shortcut or not a shortcut! Dragging & > |> dropping them can produce different results, & you don't > |> want to accidentally delete an important app! > | > | As previously stated, if you're a moron and don't even know that > | you can rename icons (fubar forbid CHANGE them), whether > | shortcuts or programs or whatever. > | > | Don't even get me started on dragging and dropping, and how > | /delightfully/ easy WE makes it, especially with an 800 GB C: > | drive with 500 "folders". > > Well -- rather than memorize all those drag/drop rules every time one > forgets them (if one ever knew them all in the first place) -- I've > learned it's BEST ALWAYS to R-Drag everything instead of L-Drag. That > way you get a choice when the button is released-- not the least of > which is "cancel"! > > | "Where did that come from?" > | > | "Where did "My Documents" go! I am DEAD!" > | > | "What /is/ that? Can I delete it?" [Del] > | > | "What's a "recycle bin"? > > R-Drag with the mouse instead of L-Drag to cut those questions in half! > > | (...) > | > | "Honey (Mom, Dad, "teach")! Do you have the tech support phone > | no?" > | > | [$$$$$$] > | > | I weep for the post-98SE generation. Actually even 98 is > | unbearable, I use Lite to have the 95 shell. Making everything > | look like the web was THE stupidest idea EVER. Needless to say, > | (almost) everyone loved it. > | > | (blah blah blah blah blah...........) > | > | Sigh. > > Don't worry. Those who have permanently quit us for XP/Vista will be > back when they have turned half purple of the irradiation! > > | -- > | Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the > | votes decide everything. > | - Josef Stalin > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > >
Guest ms Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:eXTfi7#KJHA.5328 @TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > ms wrote: >| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in news:OwKi$ZlKJHA.920 >| @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: >| >|> ms wrote: >|>| I set Explorer view in Tweakui to show no arrow on desktop >|>| shortcuts, long ago. Many cold boots since then. >|>| >|>| But any shortcut I create on Desktop shows that arrow. >|>| >|>| The only version data I can find on my Tweakui is: >|>| tweakui.cpl 106,544 6/18/2000 >|>| >|>| Advice? >|> >|> Keep your arrows! That old kludge to remove them was broken by a >|> latter day Windows Update. You should keep your arrows anyhow to >|> know for sure what you are dealing with-- a shortcut or not a >|> shortcut! >|> >|>| MS >|> >| I never had a problem with "a shortcut or not a shortcut!" >| >| I only have 6 total icons on desktop, and only 5 I've created, but >| those arrows on this particular W98 machine really bug me. >| >| If Tweakui with None selected in this machine does not do it, is there >| any way in registry, etc to remove those arrows? > > I see MEB is willing to take that up. Fine... let it be on his head if > disaster should strike! > >| ms > I should clarify that this is a used machine, no new MS patches for probably 3 years, but as you suggested about a patch, maybe the previous owner had back then loaded a patch, that now my using Tweakui, the arrow can't be eliminated. Everybody's browsing habits are different, with mine, I ran a W98SE machine, after a reformat and new OS install, browsing with no patches for 8 months and no problems. At that time the power supply died, so that was the end of it. ms
Guest ms Posted October 12, 2008 Posted October 12, 2008 Re: Tweakui setting question "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:uobcye#KJHA.4772 @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > Uhm, perhaps I should also supply a safer way noted here: > http://www.mdgx.com/newtip11.htm > DITCH THOSE ARROWS! > > Note that the change is from IsShortcut to IsNotShortcut. > > A "HACK" uses a resource hacker tool to change shell32 Shortcut Icon to > transparent or nothing. TweakUI doesn't work because the location and > addressing changed with the security update. > Thanks, MEB, I will ponder both your posts, and post with results. ms
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