File Format*

[Guest John Q. Smith]

I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what type of

format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while connecting to normal

cable TV via coaxial cable?

I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only supports

NTSC video format only.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

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I know enough to tell you that the NTSC standard is used for video here in

the USA, and that the PAL standard is used in Europe, and in some other

countries.

 

But I don't know about the upcoming format changes with HDTV coming around

next year, and whether that will be a problem.

 

John Q. Smith wrote:

> I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what type

> of

> format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while connecting to normal

> cable TV via coaxial cable?

> I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only

> supports

> NTSC video format only.

[Guest cornedbeef007-groups@yahoo.com.au]

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On Oct 15, 2:09 pm, "John Q. Smith" <johnqsm...@yeahright.com> wrote:

> I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what type of

> format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while connecting to normal

> cable TV via coaxial cable?

> I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only supports

> NTSC video format only.

 

It depends on what type of TV signal you receive in your area.

The TV Tuner card will turn that TV signal into video that WinXP can

display on your screen.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC

 

Good Luck.

[Guest Larry(LJL269)]

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:23:03 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>But I don't know about the upcoming format changes with HDTV coming around

>next year, and whether that will be a problem.

My new ATI driver implies they r both NTSB. Just my 2¢ worth. Larry

 

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[Guest M.I.5¾]

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>I know enough to tell you that the NTSC standard is used for video here in

>the USA, and that the PAL standard is used in Europe, and in some other

>countries.

>

> But I don't know about the upcoming format changes with HDTV coming around

> next year, and whether that will be a problem.

>

 

FYI: The HDTV formats are different between the US and Europe. The US

format has retained its 30 frame per second format from (the original) NTSC

and the European format has retained the 25 frame per second format. This

was completely unnecessary as the deployment of Plasma and LCD displays has

rendered the adoption of the mains frequency as the frame rate redundant.

The practical upshot is the US HDTV requires 20% more space to record it.

[Guest Tim Slattery]

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"John Q. Smith" <johnqsmith@yeahright.com> wrote:

>I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what type of

>format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while connecting to normal

>cable TV via coaxial cable?

>I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only supports

>NTSC video format only.

 

This doesn't have anything to do with Windows, which knows nothing

about video formats, but (mainly) with where you live.

 

NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

(incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

 

Broadcasts in NTSC format will disappear next February, all broadcasts

will then be in digital format. If you're on a cable TV system, you

will probably still be able to get NTSC analog signals through them.

Converter boxes are also available.

 

Video tapes and non HD video DVDs are recorded in NTSC (or PAL, if

you're not in North America) format. DVDs are likely to stay around

for quite awhile, tapes will probably go away sooner.

 

Look up any of these terms in Wikipedia if you want to know more.

 

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

[Guest Twayne]

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> I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what

> type of format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while

> connecting to normal cable TV via coaxial cable?

> I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only

> supports NTSC video format only.

 

NTSC only means it will NOT received DTV (Digital broadcast signals).

If you want to get off-air programming, forget it. Get one with a DTV

digital capable receiver/tuner.

 

 

NTSC: Standard North American 4:3, non-DTV format. Also known as

analog TV.

 

ATSC: North American 16:9/4:3 format for DTV reception. Also known as

digital TV.

 

Wikipedia.com has some good explanations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_television

 

You need a card that will handle Digital TV (DTV) as many of the analog

stations are going dark between now and Feb 09.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

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"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

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> "John Q. Smith" <johnqsmith@yeahright.com> wrote:

>

>>I realize that this is slightly off topic, but does anyone know what type

>>of

>>format Windows uses when using a TV Tuner card while connecting to normal

>>cable TV via coaxial cable?

>>I am looking at buying a TV Tuner card, but it states that it only

>>supports

>>NTSC video format only.

>

> This doesn't have anything to do with Windows, which knows nothing

> about video formats, but (mainly) with where you live.

>

> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>

 

Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The NTSC

system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also taken

place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

> Broadcasts in NTSC format will disappear next February, all broadcasts

> will then be in digital format. If you're on a cable TV system, you

> will probably still be able to get NTSC analog signals through them.

 

 

The digital broadcast parameters (in the US) are still based on the NTSC

standards. If you watch them on an analogue TV then the digital signal

resolves to a standard NTSC signal to be displayed. If you watch them via a

digital link to the TV (DVI or HDMI) then the video format standards are

still firmly tied to the NTSC specification - its just given a confusing

identifier 480i/30 (which also describes NTSC).

[Guest Tim Slattery]

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"M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

>> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

>> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The NTSC

>system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also taken

>place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

 

ROTFL!! You're absolutely right! But not many people were watching

back then. I think I can safely say that NTSC has been the standard

since TV became even remotely mainstream.

>> Broadcasts in NTSC format will disappear next February, all broadcasts

>> will then be in digital format. If you're on a cable TV system, you

>> will probably still be able to get NTSC analog signals through them.

>The digital broadcast parameters (in the US) are still based on the NTSC

>standards. If you watch them on an analogue TV then the digital signal

>resolves to a standard NTSC signal to be displayed. If you watch them via a

>digital link to the TV (DVI or HDMI) then the video format standards are

>still firmly tied to the NTSC specification - its just given a confusing

>identifier 480i/30 (which also describes NTSC).

 

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

 

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

[Guest M.I.5¾]

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"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

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> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>

>>> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

>>> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

>>> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>

>>Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The NTSC

>>system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also taken

>>place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

>

> ROTFL!! You're absolutely right! But not many people were watching

> back then. I think I can safely say that NTSC has been the standard

> since TV became even remotely mainstream.

>

 

NTSC (or System M to give it its formal name) is almost exclusively used by

some tin pot little back water on the other side of the Atlantic (with one

or two pockets of resistance in the far east). The civilised world uses the

625 line system with PAL colour (SECAM in France and Russia) also described

as 576i/50. ;-)

 

What comes a a minor mystery, is why the US clung onto their 30 frame/sec

rate when adopting HDTV. There was no technical reason to do so.

 

In the systems used before NTSC, I managed to omit the oddball French 819

line system. I mean the system was oddball, not the French. Come to think

of it, scratch that last sentence.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

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M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

> news:vu0pf4togsq9dsa1vsmdklun5mpn7g082g@4ax.com...

>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>>

>>>> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

>>>> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

>>>> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>>

>>> Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The

>>> NTSC

>>> system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also taken

>>> place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

>>

>> ROTFL!! You're absolutely right! But not many people were watching

>> back then. I think I can safely say that NTSC has been the standard

>> since TV became even remotely mainstream.

>>

>

> NTSC (or System M to give it its formal name) is almost exclusively used

> by

> some tin pot little back water on the other side of the Atlantic (with one

> or two pockets of resistance in the far east). The civilised world uses

> the

> 625 line system with PAL colour (SECAM in France and Russia) also

> described

> as 576i/50. ;-)

>

> What comes a a minor mystery, is why the US clung onto their 30 frame/sec

> rate when adopting HDTV. There was no technical reason to do so.

 

Cause we don't like the flicker of the 25 frame/sec rates!!

I mean (as yet another example), with a 50 Hz line frequency over there, it

takes some of us a bit of time to get readjusted to the slightly flickering

incandescent lights over there (some of us have quick visual response times,

with low latency).

> In the systems used before NTSC, I managed to omit the oddball French 819

> line system. I mean the system was oddball, not the French. Come to

> think

> of it, scratch that last sentence.

 

LOL.

[Guest M.I.5¾]

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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

>> news:vu0pf4togsq9dsa1vsmdklun5mpn7g082g@4ax.com...

>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>>>

>>>>> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

>>>>> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

>>>>> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>>>

>>>> Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The

>>>> NTSC

>>>> system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also

>>>> taken

>>>> place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

>>>

>>> ROTFL!! You're absolutely right! But not many people were watching

>>> back then. I think I can safely say that NTSC has been the standard

>>> since TV became even remotely mainstream.

>>>

>>

>> NTSC (or System M to give it its formal name) is almost exclusively used

>> by

>> some tin pot little back water on the other side of the Atlantic (with

>> one

>> or two pockets of resistance in the far east). The civilised world uses

>> the

>> 625 line system with PAL colour (SECAM in France and Russia) also

>> described

>> as 576i/50. ;-)

>>

>> What comes a a minor mystery, is why the US clung onto their 30 frame/sec

>> rate when adopting HDTV. There was no technical reason to do so.

>

> Cause we don't like the flicker of the 25 frame/sec rates!!

> I mean (as yet another example), with a 50 Hz line frequency over there,

> it takes some of us a bit of time to get readjusted to the slightly

> flickering incandescent lights over there (some of us have quick visual

> response times, with low latency).

>

 

With Plasma and LCD TV sets, what flicker would that be?

[Guest Bill in Co.]

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M.I.5¾ wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O802yL6MJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> M.I.5¾ wrote:

>>> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

>>> news:vu0pf4togsq9dsa1vsmdklun5mpn7g082g@4ax.com...

>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> NTSC has been the TV signal format in the US for as long as broadcast

>>>>>> TV has existed. In Europe (and Asia?) they use a different

>>>>>> (incompatible, of course) standard called PAL.

>>>>

>>>>> Rubbish! Broadcast TV started in 1926 using the 30 line system. The

>>>>> NTSC

>>>>> system wasn't devised UNTIL 1941. Meanwhile broadcasting had also

>>>>> taken place using the 240 line and then the 405 line systems.

>>>>

>>>> ROTFL!! You're absolutely right! But not many people were watching

>>>> back then. I think I can safely say that NTSC has been the standard

>>>> since TV became even remotely mainstream.

>>>>

>>>

>>> NTSC (or System M to give it its formal name) is almost exclusively used

>>> by some tin pot little back water on the other side of the Atlantic

>>> (with

>>> one or two pockets of resistance in the far east). The civilised world

>>> uses

>>> the 625 line system with PAL colour (SECAM in France and Russia) also

>>> described as 576i/50. ;-)

>>>

>>> What comes a a minor mystery, is why the US clung onto their 30

>>> frame/sec

>>> rate when adopting HDTV. There was no technical reason to do so.

>>

>> Cause we don't like the flicker of the 25 frame/sec rates!!

>> I mean (as yet another example), with a 50 Hz line frequency over there,

>> it takes some of us a bit of time to get readjusted to the slightly

>> flickering incandescent lights over there (some of us have quick visual

>> response times, with low latency)!

>

> With Plasma and LCD TV sets, what flicker would that be?

 

I don't know, since I don't have either of those!