license transfer

October 19, 2008

I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The

older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP

installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older

one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but

as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

older compaq system.

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

"rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

> I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other).

The

> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows

XP

> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

older

> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this,

but

> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> older compaq system.

>

The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally

installed on.

Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably

best to just fix it.

If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with that.

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded

ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to

a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

"philo" wrote:

>

> "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

> > I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other).

> The

> > older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows

> XP

> > installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

> older

> > one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> > working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this,

> but

> > as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> > windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> > older compaq system.

> >

>

> The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally

> installed on.

>

> Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably

> best to just fix it.

>

> If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

>

> or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with that.

>

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

rpp77 wrote:

> I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

> computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

> installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded

> ME system).

>

> After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to

> a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

No, you aren't. The license died with the machine. Ain't licensing

grand? You might want to check out Ubuntu, a free operating system that

is bullet proof compared to Windows when it comes to malware. Check it

out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

Alias

>

> "philo" wrote:

>

>> "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

>>> I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other).

>> The

>>> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows

>> XP

>>> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

>> older

>>> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

>>> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this,

>> but

>>> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

>>> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

>>> older compaq system.

>>>

>>

>> The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally

>> installed on.

>>

>> Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably

>> best to just fix it.

>>

>> If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

>>

>> or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with that.

>>

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

"rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:C45A8388-2B02-4C65-B1A7-6D5BDD0273B7@microsoft.com...

> I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

> computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

> installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a

preloaded

> ME system).

>

> After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled

to

> a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

>

It does not work that way with an OEM version of XP.

An OEM restore CD is just good for the machine on which it came...

Had you purchased an XP cd, it would be good on any *one* computer it was

installed on...

and transferable.

Just out of curiosity what exactly does your non-working machine do or not

do?

Though the mobo could of course be dead, just as you say...

it may be something simple

> "philo" wrote:

>

> >

> > "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

> > > I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the

other).

> > The

> > > older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has

Windows

> > XP

> > > installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

> > older

> > > one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME

isn't

> > > working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do

this,

> > but

> > > as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy

of

> > > windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed

on my

> > > older compaq system.

> > >

> >

> > The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally

> > installed on.

> >

> > Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably

> > best to just fix it.

> >

> > If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

> >

> > or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with

that.

> >

October 19, 2008

RE: license transfer

That specific license is only for that specific machine. IT is an OEM

machine, so that license is "locked" to that specific OEM/Machine.

you must buy a new license for machine 2.

"rpp77" wrote:

> I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The

> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP

> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older

> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but

> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> older compaq system.

>

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look at

the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections

inside the computer all appear to be good.

So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs windows

ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows OS

purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so the

choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).

I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers aren't

compatible.

"philo" wrote:

>

> "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:C45A8388-2B02-4C65-B1A7-6D5BDD0273B7@microsoft.com...

> > I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

> > computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

> > installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a

> preloaded

> > ME system).

> >

> > After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled

> to

> > a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

> >

> It does not work that way with an OEM version of XP.

> An OEM restore CD is just good for the machine on which it came...

>

> Had you purchased an XP cd, it would be good on any *one* computer it was

> installed on...

> and transferable.

>

> Just out of curiosity what exactly does your non-working machine do or not

> do?

>

> Though the mobo could of course be dead, just as you say...

> it may be something simple

>

> > "philo" wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

> > > > I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the

> other).

> > > The

> > > > older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has

> Windows

> > > XP

> > > > installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

> > > older

> > > > one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME

> isn't

> > > > working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do

> this,

> > > but

> > > > as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy

> of

> > > > windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed

> on my

> > > > older compaq system.

> > > >

> > >

> > > The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally

> > > installed on.

> > >

> > > Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably

> > > best to just fix it.

> > >

> > > If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

> > >

> > > or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with

> that.

> > >

>

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

"rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:07A2EFE8-6486-4D8D-9DA2-29BA5E358ED0@microsoft.com...

> The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look

at

> the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections

> inside the computer all appear to be good.

>

> So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs

windows

> ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows

OS

> purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so

the

> choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).

> I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers

aren't

> compatible.

>

Well, swapping the HD's would probably not have worked anyway...

the OS would probably not have even booted due to the difference in HW.

It does look like a bad mobo...

but just becasue the PSU lite is on does not necessarily mean it's good.

I agree, you might as well just get a new machine. Personally, I'd look for

a low priced system

that still had XP...

However, with good enough hardware Vista should run OK.

Check the machine well before your buy it...but if the Vista rating is 4 or

more (our of a possible 5)

it should run Vista OK

Though you can get new machines for as little as $300

watch very carefully...the amount of RAM

To run XP properly you will need at least 512 megs of RAM

1 - 2 gig is not a bad idea

To run Vista properly

you really need 1 gig minimum...with 2 gigs really being more realistic.

A dual core cpu is also needed to get the best out of Vista...

but XP will do fine with a single core CPU

>

> "philo" wrote:

>

> >

> > "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:C45A8388-2B02-4C65-B1A7-6D5BDD0273B7@microsoft.com...

> > > I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a

new

> > > computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of

XP

> > > installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a

> > preloaded

> > > ME system).

> > >

> > > After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still

entitled

> > to

> > > a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

> > >

> > It does not work that way with an OEM version of XP.

> > An OEM restore CD is just good for the machine on which it came...

> >

> > Had you purchased an XP cd, it would be good on any *one* computer it

was

> > installed on...

> > and transferable.

> >

> > Just out of curiosity what exactly does your non-working machine do or

not

> > do?

> >

> > Though the mobo could of course be dead, just as you say...

> > it may be something simple

> >

> > > "philo" wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

> > > > > I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the

> > other).

> > > > The

> > > > > older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has

> > Windows

> > > > XP

> > > > > installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with

the

> > > > older

> > > > > one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as

ME

> > isn't

> > > > > working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do

> > this,

> > > > but

> > > > > as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active

copy

> > of

> > > > > windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy

installed

> > on my

> > > > > older compaq system.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was

originally

> > > > installed on.

> > > >

> > > > Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's

probably

> > > > best to just fix it.

> > > >

> > > > If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

> > > >

> > > > or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work

with

> > that.

> > > >

> >

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

"rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:07A2EFE8-6486-4D8D-9DA2-29BA5E358ED0@microsoft.com...

> The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look

> at

> the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections

> inside the computer all appear to be good.

>

> So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs

> windows

> ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows

> OS

> purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so

> the

> choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).

> I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers

> aren't

> compatible.

I would point out another option. I regularly see (and buy) on the used

market, name brand 3gHz Pentium 4 systems, at least 512 meg Ram, SATA hard

disk, DVD drive, no monitor, but valid XP Pro license with CD, for around

$200.

HTH

-pk

>

> "philo" wrote:

>

>>

>> "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:C45A8388-2B02-4C65-B1A7-6D5BDD0273B7@microsoft.com...

>> > I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a

>> > new

>> > computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of

>> > XP

>> > installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a

>> preloaded

>> > ME system).

>> >

>> > After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still

>> > entitled

>> to

>> > a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

>> >

>> It does not work that way with an OEM version of XP.

>> An OEM restore CD is just good for the machine on which it came...

>>

>> Had you purchased an XP cd, it would be good on any *one* computer it was

>> installed on...

>> and transferable.

>>

>> Just out of curiosity what exactly does your non-working machine do or

>> not

>> do?

>>

>> Though the mobo could of course be dead, just as you say...

>> it may be something simple

>>

>> > "philo" wrote:

>> >

>> > >

>> > > "rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > > news:4372CE7C-218E-4D2B-90E9-458B62E78BDA@microsoft.com...

>> > > > I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the

>> other).

>> > > The

>> > > > older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has

>> Windows

>> > > XP

>> > > > installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with

>> > > > the

>> > > older

>> > > > one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME

>> isn't

>> > > > working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do

>> this,

>> > > but

>> > > > as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active

>> > > > copy

>> of

>> > > > windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy

>> > > > installed

>> on my

>> > > > older compaq system.

>> > > >

>> > >

>> > > The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was

>> > > originally

>> > > installed on.

>> > >

>> > > Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's

>> > > probably

>> > > best to just fix it.

>> > >

>> > > If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

>> > >

>> > > or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with

>> that.

>> > >

>>

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

rpp77 wrote:

> I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The

> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP

> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older

> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but

> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> older compaq system.

An OEM version is tied permanently to the first computer on which it is

installed. Doesn't matter if you tossed it in the trash, it got burned

up in a fire, your estranged spouse stole it, you lost it to a thief at

the airport, or a meteor slammed into it. If that computer is gone, so

is the OEM license.

You didn't mention what version of the license you have. From what you

described, it is highly likely an OEM version. Did you buy those copies

of Windows ME and Windows XP separately of the hardware? Or did they

come pre-installed on those computers? If pre-installed, you got an OEM

version. Unless you fix the computer, you'll lose the license of

Windows that is on it.

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

rpp77 wrote:

> I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The

> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP

> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older

> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but

> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> older compaq system.

>

By your own admission, you have an OEM license for WinXP. An OEM

version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or

hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first

PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not

legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.

(Which is largely why your Compaq Recovery disk was specifically

designed to prevent illicit installations.

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so

much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral

hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,

although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)

and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.

An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another

computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people

avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even

stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only

legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to

transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you

have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is

to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM

license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or

replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances

for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of

business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and

service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support

for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier

OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.

It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an

in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as

eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install

on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,

such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device

drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels

necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To

be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,

if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer

fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.

The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold

to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though,

and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from

the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.

Bottom line: You'll have to purchase a new WinXP license to go on the

older computer, assuming it's even possible. Before going any further,

you should take a few minutes to ensure that there are WinXP-specific

device drivers available for all of the machine's internal components.

There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for Win98/Me.

Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine with Win9x/Me

very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent hardware quality

requirements. This is particularly true of many early models in

Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's consumer-class

Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K before it, is quite

sensitive to borderline defective or substandard hardware (particularly

motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will still support Win9x.

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October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

rpp77 wrote:

> I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

> computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

> installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded

> ME system).

>

> After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to

> a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

>

No, you're not. This is because you purchased the much lower priced

OEM license that was included with the computer. OEM licenses live and

die with the first computer on which they're installed, or with which

they're purchased. They are not legitimately transferable. All of this

is spelled out quite clearly in the EULA to which you agreed, the first

time you started the computer.

--

Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:04:05 -0700, rpp77

<rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new

> computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP

> installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded

> ME system).

>

> After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to

> a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

No. If your copy of XP came with the Compaq, it's an OEM copy. There

are several disadvantages of an OEM copy, but the biggest one is that

its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's installed

on. It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold, or given

away (except with the original computer). That's true even if the

computer dies.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

"rpp77" <rpp77@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other).

>The

> older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows

> XP

> installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the

> older

> one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't

> working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this,

> but

> as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of

> windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my

> older compaq system.

What I would try is to gather all the XP drivers needed for the older ME

system. Move the disk from new to old and boot into safe mode. Then start

installing the XP drivers, one at a time, rebooting into safe mode after

each driver until you get to the last one. You've got nothing to lose but

time by trying this procedure, I've had it work just fine when replacing

totally different motherboards on an emachine computer.

October 19, 2008

Re: license transfer

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:04:05 -0700, rpp77 wrote:

> After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to

> a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

No. An OEM license ties the OS to only the computer it was installed on.

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