Guest nj_annie@golfilla.info Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that is on "clearance". If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista and I was wondering why that is the case? Thank You Annie
Guest philo Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? <nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message news:e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a > newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows > Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that > is on "clearance". > > If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I > have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista > and I was wondering why that is the case? > > Thank You > > Annie I still prefer XP and you can still purchase such machines. However, with good enough hardware, Vista should run OK. It definitely requires better hardware than XP and many folks upgrading their XP machine to Vista find that they do not have sufficient hardware. Check the machine before you buy it...and if the Vista rating is 4 or higher (out of a possible 5) it should be OK
Guest Nigel Stapley Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? nj_annie@golfilla.info wrote: > Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a > newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows > Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that > is on "clearance". > > If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I > have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista > and I was wondering why that is the case? > Vista is toast. That can be seen from how MS have had to allow XP to continue to be installed on new machines, and by how MS are in such a hurry to get Windows 7 ready. I've had XP Pro for just under a year (my old rig still runs 98SE), and I've only ever had one Blue Screen on it (and that was because the video capture software is one cranky mother). It's very stable and does all that anyone could reasonably expect it to do. I've no complaints. -- Regards Nigel Stapley http://www.thejudge.me.uk <reply-to will bounce>
Guest FromTheRafters Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? If you expect (or just desire) that it *feels* like Win98 as far as ease of use, it is easier to configure XP that way. XP's initial setup allows you to configure it to have you as the only user (it is a multi-user OS) and to have that user run with full administrative permissions (it has a file system with security in mind and there are things you can and can't do without the proper permissions). This is really *not* a good idea to do - (this running all the time with administrative permisions) and Vista makes it more difficult to [mis]configure this way for ease of use. It can still be done though. I got Vista with my new laptop because I wanted to have a longer period of support than I would have gotten with XP - I have since done some reading about Vista and my user experience has been good. I use that machine as a household appliance, and once set up, the UAC prompts everybody likes to complain about are not an issue. I recommend Vista, but not if you aren't willing to play by its rules. I recommend XP because it is more forgiving if you don't want to play by it's rules. <nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message news:e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a > newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows > Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that > is on "clearance". > > If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I > have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista > and I was wondering why that is the case? > > Thank You > > Annie
Guest nj_annie@golfilla.info Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample supply? Thanks again. Annie
Guest FromTheRafters Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? If the site has a live chat feature you can usually custom order your choice of hardware and software. My Thinkpad laptop was special ordered (by someone else) and XP Pro was specifically requested because she had heard about Vista's UAC being such a pain. I got it from her after her cat sat on the lid while a thumbdrive sat on the keyboard - cracked LCD. She had it set up as automatically logging on to a sole unpassworded account with full administrative privileges. On the desktop was a copy of her online chat where she exchanged banking info as well as the way she requested particulars like RAM and harddrive capacity 802.11x Totally clueless...but I love her anyway. :o) <nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message news:9c62f795-f183-45ac-9ca1-3dd118d47788@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I > find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend > some places where XP PCs are in ample supply? > > Thanks again. > > Annie >
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 19, 2008 Posted October 19, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? nj_annie@golfilla.info wrote: > Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, > I find very little in the way of XP systems. Are you looking for a new laptop PC, or desktop system? In pretty much any case, buy the system you want based on your hardware criteria, then download an XP cd on a torrent or borrow an XP cd from a friend or from your workplace and wipe the hard drive of your new PC and install XP. It's just that simple. I can post a few never-before-used XP-pro product keys here if you want to use them.
Guest philo Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? <nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message news:9c62f795-f183-45ac-9ca1-3dd118d47788@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I > find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend > some places where XP PCs are in ample supply? > > Thanks again. > > Annie > Try Newegg
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 20, 2008 Posted October 20, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? philo wrote: > > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample > > supply? > > Try Newegg What's wrong with you people? Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn thing. It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become.
Guest Big.David.NJ@gmail.com Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Hi... 98 guy, the thing is, wiping the drive clean and installing a whole new operating system might be easy for some, but for a novice like myself I know I would probably run into all sorts of issues with things like BIOS, DRIVERS etc... Nothing I do is ever "smooth as silk". I also was looking for a newer PC with XP, but it sure would be easier if it were already installed. Thanks ~david~
Guest FromTheRafters Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FD11EB.F8AC40E1@Guy.com... > philo wrote: > >> > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample >> > supply? >> >> Try Newegg > > What's wrong with you people? > > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn > thing. > > It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become. Some people like to have the EISA configuration partition in case of accidental corruption and lack of any other restoration media.
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Big.David.NJ@gmail.com wrote: > I also was looking for a newer PC with XP, but it sure would be > easier if it were already installed. You haven't said if you're looking for a laptop or desktop PC. Dell is still selling a few of both (I *think*) with XP. We recently (2 or 3 months ago) bought a Lenovo (IBM) laptop with XP.
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? FromTheRafters wrote: > > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the > > damn thing. > > Some people like to have the EISA configuration partition in > case of accidental corruption and lack of any other restoration > media. Those people that even know what that is, and how to use it, are probably the same people that *can* pull off a clean install of XP-over-Vista and know other ways to backup their hard drive.
Guest philo Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FD11EB.F8AC40E1@Guy.com... > philo wrote: > > > > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample > > > supply? > > > > Try Newegg > > What's wrong with you people? > > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn > thing. > > It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become. Sure but why pay for something you are not going to use? there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers
Guest J. P. Gilliver (John) Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? In message <e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, nj_annie@golfilla.info writes >Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a >newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows >Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that >is on "clearance". On the whole, yes, you will only find XP machines as second-hand, end-of-line, or "special" made up for you; you certainly won't find XP in any high-street store (in UK, anyway). Though see next post. > >If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I >have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista >and I was wondering why that is the case? Vista is very self-protective: the default setting is that it makes it very difficult to break it by changing things you shouldn't. This also makes it fairly difficult to change things to how you want them. It is also more tied up with intellectual property rights protection - the protection of the copyright rights of software, music, and video producers. This _can_ also cause some problems. Finally, it _does_ require a higher hardware rating in order to yield the same performance as an XP system. Conversely, it is the most recent (Windows) OS, and is likely to be supported for longer, by both Microsoft and those who write software for it and produce hardware. (At the moment, some of those haven't caught up yet, but this will be corrected soon.) > >Thank You > >Annie You're welcome -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. ** "Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.
Guest J. P. Gilliver (John) Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? In message <9c62f795-f183-45ac-9ca1-3dd118d47788@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, nj_annie@golfilla.info writes >Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I >find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend >some places where XP PCs are in ample supply? _If_ you just want a PC that will do what your old '98 machine does, and probably more, look at "netbooks"; there is a wide range of these that now come, new, with XP. Asus's Eee range has a surprisingly large selection - different screen sizes (7, 8.9, and 10.1 inch diagonals), Linux or XP, assorted colours (!), and assorted hard drives (including some with only solid state drives). The 9 and 10 inch screens have 1024x600 resolution. These machines can be used with an external monitor (at higher resolution) keyboard and mouse, though some would say this defeats the point; they include wifi, webcam, microphone, ethernet, ... no optical drive, but again can work with an external one. (They have speakers, though - especially the smaller ones - they're a bit tinny; again, nothing to stop you using external ones.) Finally, they're reasonably cheap. (The non-Asus one is the MSI Wind U100, or its clones - in the UK, anyway - the Advent 4211 or Medion 1215, available from PCWorld/Currys and Aldi/Argos respectively.) Others are continuing to appear. Basically, if you want a _new_ machine that comes with XP already installed, look at netbooks (i. e. very tiny laptops). They _may_ do what you want. (They're also cute! if you _do_ use them without external everything.) > >Thanks again. > >Annie > You're welcome again. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. ** "Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? philo wrote: > > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the > > damn thing. > > there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.
Guest FromTheRafters Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787 "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FE78A2.2E0CBD5E@Guy.com... > philo wrote: > >> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the >> > damn thing. >> >> there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers > > Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.
Guest Dan Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 RE: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? I would suggest XP for a desktop computer but Vista for a laptop computer because Vista has better built-in security protections by default. You can also always use your downgrade rights to install XP with Vista Business or Ultimate or you can just buy a retail copy of XP from Ebay and do a clean install. Actually, a clean install is nice and imo usually necessary on an oem machine because of all the loaded crap-ware that is on a new machine. We can help walk you through a clean install of either XP or Vista if you would like. "nj_annie@golfilla.info" wrote: > Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a > newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows > Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that > is on "clearance". > > If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I > have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista > and I was wondering why that is the case? > > Thank You > > Annie >
Guest philo Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:%23XGlq7ENJHA.1156@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787 > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FE78A2.2E0CBD5E@Guy.com... > > philo wrote: > > > >> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the > >> > damn thing. > >> > >> there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers > > > > Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then. > > I already told him to try Newegg I saw a few XP machines there a few days ago
Guest 98 Guy Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? FromTheRafters wrote: > > Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then. >http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787 Great. Pay Dell an extra $100 to put XP on the system (of your choice?). I don't think the OP was looking for that - but she doesn't want to do it herself either. But she's been awol from this thread for a few days so she's probably gonzo.
Guest MEB Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? You may want to wait for that purchase.... Microsoft's new Windows version {Windows7} *MAY* be out by the middle of 2009 {or even earlier}. With the shear number of critical updates Microsoft has released for XP AND VISTA [many addressing the same continuing issues], perhaps the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather than patched. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel _ _ ~~ <nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message news:e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... | Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a | newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows | Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that | is on "clearance". | | If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I | have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista | and I was wondering why that is the case? | | Thank You | | Annie
Guest Buffalo Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? MEB wrote: [snip] > perhaps > the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather > than patched. > Did you fall and bump your head? :)
Guest PCR Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? Buffalo wrote: | MEB wrote: | [snip] |> perhaps |> the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather |> than patched. |> | Did you fall and bump your head? :) It isn't that. He's had too much XP/Vista-irradiation after his tinfoil hat burnt off! :-). -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Buffalo Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista??? PCR wrote: > Buffalo wrote: >> MEB wrote: >> [snip] >>> perhaps >>> the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather >>> than patched. >>> >> Did you fall and bump your head? :) > > It isn't that. He's had too much XP/Vista-irradiation after his > tinfoil hat burnt off! :-). Whee Haw !!
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