Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

[Guest nj_annie@golfilla.info]

Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

is on "clearance".

 

If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

and I was wondering why that is the case?

 

Thank You

 

Annie

[Guest philo]

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<nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message

news:e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

> newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

> Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

> is on "clearance".

>

> If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

> have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

> and I was wondering why that is the case?

>

> Thank You

>

> Annie

 

 

I still prefer XP and you can still purchase such machines.

 

However, with good enough hardware, Vista should run OK.

It definitely requires better hardware than XP

and many folks upgrading their XP machine to Vista

find that they do not have sufficient hardware.

 

 

Check the machine before you buy it...and if the Vista rating is 4 or higher

(out of a possible 5)

it should be OK

[Guest Nigel Stapley]

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nj_annie@golfilla.info wrote:

> Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

> newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

> Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

> is on "clearance".

>

> If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

> have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

> and I was wondering why that is the case?

>

 

Vista is toast. That can be seen from how MS have had to allow XP to

continue to be installed on new machines, and by how MS are in such a

hurry to get Windows 7 ready.

 

I've had XP Pro for just under a year (my old rig still runs 98SE), and

I've only ever had one Blue Screen on it (and that was because the video

capture software is one cranky mother). It's very stable and does all

that anyone could reasonably expect it to do. I've no complaints.

 

--

Regards

 

Nigel Stapley

 

http://www.thejudge.me.uk

 

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[Guest FromTheRafters]

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If you expect (or just desire) that it *feels* like Win98 as far

as ease of use, it is easier to configure XP that way. XP's

initial setup allows you to configure it to have you as the only

user (it is a multi-user OS) and to have that user run with full

administrative permissions (it has a file system with security

in mind and there are things you can and can't do without the

proper permissions). This is really *not* a good idea to do -

(this running all the time with administrative permisions) and

Vista makes it more difficult to [mis]configure this way for

ease of use.

 

It can still be done though.

 

I got Vista with my new laptop because I wanted to have a longer

period of support than I would have gotten with XP - I have since

done some reading about Vista and my user experience has been

good. I use that machine as a household appliance, and once set

up, the UAC prompts everybody likes to complain about are not

an issue.

 

I recommend Vista, but not if you aren't willing to play by its rules.

I recommend XP because it is more forgiving if you don't want to

play by it's rules.

 

<nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message

news:e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

> newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

> Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

> is on "clearance".

>

> If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

> have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

> and I was wondering why that is the case?

>

> Thank You

>

> Annie

[Guest nj_annie@golfilla.info]

Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I

find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend

some places where XP PCs are in ample supply?

 

Thanks again.

 

Annie

[Guest FromTheRafters]

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If the site has a live chat feature you can usually custom order your

choice of hardware and software. My Thinkpad laptop was special

ordered (by someone else) and XP Pro was specifically requested

because she had heard about Vista's UAC being such a pain.

 

I got it from her after her cat sat on the lid while a thumbdrive sat

on the keyboard - cracked LCD. She had it set up as automatically

logging on to a sole unpassworded account with full administrative

privileges. On the desktop was a copy of her online chat where she

exchanged banking info as well as the way she requested particulars

like RAM and harddrive capacity 802.11x

 

Totally clueless...but I love her anyway. :o)

 

 

<nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message

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> Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I

> find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend

> some places where XP PCs are in ample supply?

>

> Thanks again.

>

> Annie

>

[Guest 98 Guy]

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nj_annie@golfilla.info wrote:

> Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at,

> I find very little in the way of XP systems.

 

Are you looking for a new laptop PC, or desktop system?

 

In pretty much any case, buy the system you want based on your hardware

criteria, then download an XP cd on a torrent or borrow an XP cd from a

friend or from your workplace and wipe the hard drive of your new PC and

install XP.

 

It's just that simple. I can post a few never-before-used XP-pro

product keys here if you want to use them.

[Guest philo]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

 

<nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message

news:9c62f795-f183-45ac-9ca1-3dd118d47788@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I

> find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend

> some places where XP PCs are in ample supply?

>

> Thanks again.

>

> Annie

>

 

 

Try Newegg

[Guest 98 Guy]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

philo wrote:

> > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample

> > supply?

>

> Try Newegg

 

What's wrong with you people?

 

Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn

thing.

 

It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become.

[Guest Big.David.NJ@gmail.com]

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Hi... 98 guy, the thing is, wiping the drive clean and installing a

whole new operating system might be easy for some, but for a novice

like myself I know I would probably run into all sorts of issues with

things like BIOS, DRIVERS etc... Nothing I do is ever "smooth as

silk".

 

I also was looking for a newer PC with XP, but it sure would be easier

if it were already installed.

 

Thanks

 

~david~

[Guest FromTheRafters]

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"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FD11EB.F8AC40E1@Guy.com...

> philo wrote:

>

>> > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample

>> > supply?

>>

>> Try Newegg

>

> What's wrong with you people?

>

> Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn

> thing.

>

> It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become.

 

Some people like to have the EISA configuration partition in

case of accidental corruption and lack of any other restoration

media.

[Guest 98 Guy]

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Big.David.NJ@gmail.com wrote:

> I also was looking for a newer PC with XP, but it sure would be

> easier if it were already installed.

 

You haven't said if you're looking for a laptop or desktop PC.

 

Dell is still selling a few of both (I *think*) with XP.

 

We recently (2 or 3 months ago) bought a Lenovo (IBM) laptop with XP.

[Guest 98 Guy]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

FromTheRafters wrote:

> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the

> > damn thing.

>

> Some people like to have the EISA configuration partition in

> case of accidental corruption and lack of any other restoration

> media.

 

Those people that even know what that is, and how to use it, are

probably the same people that *can* pull off a clean install of

XP-over-Vista and know other ways to backup their hard drive.

[Guest philo]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FD11EB.F8AC40E1@Guy.com...

> philo wrote:

>

> > > Can you guys reccomend some places where XP PCs are in ample

> > > supply?

> >

> > Try Newegg

>

> What's wrong with you people?

>

> Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the damn

> thing.

>

> It's sad how helpless Microsoft has caused people to become.

 

 

Sure but why pay for something you are not going to use?

there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers

[Guest J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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In message

<e060570d-901a-4077-a6e7-29af23f8747f@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,

nj_annie@golfilla.info writes

>Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

>newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

>Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

>is on "clearance".

 

On the whole, yes, you will only find XP machines as second-hand,

end-of-line, or "special" made up for you; you certainly won't find XP

in any high-street store (in UK, anyway). Though see next post.

>

>If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

>have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

>and I was wondering why that is the case?

 

Vista is very self-protective: the default setting is that it makes it

very difficult to break it by changing things you shouldn't. This also

makes it fairly difficult to change things to how you want them.

 

It is also more tied up with intellectual property rights protection -

the protection of the copyright rights of software, music, and video

producers. This _can_ also cause some problems.

 

Finally, it _does_ require a higher hardware rating in order to yield

the same performance as an XP system.

 

Conversely, it is the most recent (Windows) OS, and is likely to be

supported for longer, by both Microsoft and those who write software for

it and produce hardware. (At the moment, some of those haven't caught up

yet, but this will be corrected soon.)

>

>Thank You

>

>Annie

 

You're welcome

--

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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

 

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.

[Guest J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

In message

<9c62f795-f183-45ac-9ca1-3dd118d47788@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

nj_annie@golfilla.info writes

>Thanks for all of the advice. But on most sites I've looked at, I

>find very little in the way of XP systems. Can you guys reccomend

>some places where XP PCs are in ample supply?

 

_If_ you just want a PC that will do what your old '98 machine does, and

probably more, look at "netbooks"; there is a wide range of these that

now come, new, with XP. Asus's Eee range has a surprisingly large

selection - different screen sizes (7, 8.9, and 10.1 inch diagonals),

Linux or XP, assorted colours (!), and assorted hard drives (including

some with only solid state drives). The 9 and 10 inch screens have

1024x600 resolution. These machines can be used with an external monitor

(at higher resolution) keyboard and mouse, though some would say this

defeats the point; they include wifi, webcam, microphone, ethernet, ...

no optical drive, but again can work with an external one. (They have

speakers, though - especially the smaller ones - they're a bit tinny;

again, nothing to stop you using external ones.) Finally, they're

reasonably cheap. (The non-Asus one is the MSI Wind U100, or its clones

- in the UK, anyway - the Advent 4211 or Medion 1215, available from

PCWorld/Currys and Aldi/Argos respectively.) Others are continuing to

appear.

 

Basically, if you want a _new_ machine that comes with XP already

installed, look at netbooks (i. e. very tiny laptops). They _may_ do

what you want. (They're also cute! if you _do_ use them without external

everything.)

>

>Thanks again.

>

>Annie

>

You're welcome again.

--

J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

 

"Bother,"saidPoohwhenhisspacebarrefusedtowork.

[Guest 98 Guy]

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philo wrote:

> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the

> > damn thing.

>

> there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers

 

Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.

[Guest FromTheRafters]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FE78A2.2E0CBD5E@Guy.com...

> philo wrote:

>

>> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the

>> > damn thing.

>>

>> there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers

>

> Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.

[Guest Dan]

RE: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

I would suggest XP for a desktop computer but Vista for a laptop computer

because Vista has better built-in security protections by default. You can

also always use your downgrade rights to install XP with Vista Business or

Ultimate or you can just buy a retail copy of XP from Ebay and do a clean

install. Actually, a clean install is nice and imo usually necessary on an

oem machine because of all the loaded crap-ware that is on a new machine. We

can help walk you through a clean install of either XP or Vista if you would

like.

 

"nj_annie@golfilla.info" wrote:

> Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

> newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

> Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

> is on "clearance".

>

> If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

> have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

> and I was wondering why that is the case?

>

> Thank You

>

> Annie

>

[Guest philo]

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Re: Looking to upgrade... XP or Vista???

 

 

"FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message

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> http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787

>

> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:48FE78A2.2E0CBD5E@Guy.com...

> > philo wrote:

> >

> >> > Just buy a new machine and wipe the drive and install XP on the

> >> > damn thing.

> >>

> >> there are still plenty of places that sell XP computers

> >

> > Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.

>

>

 

I already told him to try Newegg

I saw a few XP machines there a few days ago

[Guest 98 Guy]

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FromTheRafters wrote:

> > Go ahead and give the OP some URL's then.

>http://www.dell.com/dellhasanswers?ST=content&dgc=ST&cid=31964&lid=737787

 

Great.

 

Pay Dell an extra $100 to put XP on the system (of your choice?).

 

I don't think the OP was looking for that - but she doesn't want to do

it herself either. But she's been awol from this thread for a few days

so she's probably gonzo.

[Guest MEB]

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You may want to wait for that purchase.... Microsoft's new Windows version

{Windows7} *MAY* be out by the middle of 2009 {or even earlier}.

 

With the shear number of critical updates Microsoft has released for XP AND

VISTA [many addressing the same continuing issues], perhaps the newer

version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather than patched.

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.org

a Peoples' counsel

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<nj_annie@golfilla.info> wrote in message

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| Hi.. I've had Windows 98se for many years and I'm looking to get a

| newer PC. I see that MOST of the systems today come with Windows

| Vista. I do see an occasional PC with XP but it is usually one that

| is on "clearance".

|

| If I do get a newer PC, which operating system would you reccomend? I

| have heard quite a few people say that they didn't care much for Vista

| and I was wondering why that is the case?

|

| Thank You

|

| Annie

[Guest Buffalo]

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MEB wrote:

[snip]

> perhaps

> the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather

> than patched.

>

Did you fall and bump your head? :)

[Guest PCR]

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Buffalo wrote:

| MEB wrote:

| [snip]

|> perhaps

|> the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather

|> than patched.

|>

| Did you fall and bump your head? :)

 

It isn't that. He's had too much XP/Vista-irradiation after his tinfoil

hat burnt off! :-).

 

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Buffalo]

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PCR wrote:

> Buffalo wrote:

>> MEB wrote:

>> [snip]

>>> perhaps

>>> the newer version will have these issues *actually* corrected rather

>>> than patched.

>>>

>> Did you fall and bump your head? :)

>

> It isn't that. He's had too much XP/Vista-irradiation after his

> tinfoil hat burnt off! :-).

 

Whee Haw !!