Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

October 21, 2008

I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5 & 6) to

play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I worked

with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I have now

performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio Personal

Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as Adobe

Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA. At the

http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE API V

1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 ( build

1.5.0.16).

When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash Player

and the game won't launch!

Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on NoScript.

Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to 'allow'? For

example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are cachefly.com and

monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable sites. But

I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

thoughts would be appreciated.

Thank you!

October 21, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1126471F-EE60-4329-B2BB-789E3DDA39C3@microsoft.com...

> I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5 & 6)

to

> play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I

worked

> with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I have

now

> performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio

Personal

> Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as

Adobe

> Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA. At

the

> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

> Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE API V

> 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 (

build

> 1.5.0.16).

>

> When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash Player

> and the game won't launch!

>

> Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on NoScript.

> Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to 'allow'?

For

> example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are cachefly.com

and

> monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable sites.

But

> I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

> thoughts would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

If you have Flash 9 installed

you should actually see the following entry in add/remove programs:

Adobe Flash Player 9 activeX

If you do not specifically see "Flash Player 9"

then you do not have it

The entry: Adobe Flash Player activeX

is simply an additional component

You may need to go to the Adobe Flash site and download it.

OTOH: The kinds of games that require Flash might be fairly sophisticated...

and maybe you'd be better off just getting a few game CD's for your kids...

They may be more appropriate...and you would not have to worry whether or

not you were going to a safe site.

Anyway that's progress for you,

when I was 6 years old, the only games we had were sticks and stones <G>

(or maybe an old tennis ball)

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> I found Jave SE Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2,

> and J2SE API V 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended

> which was version 1.5.0 ( build 1.5.0.16).

Go here to see what version of Java you're running:

http://javatester.org/version.html

Only install ONE version of java. Note that installing an updated

version DOES NOT MEAN that the previous version (or versions) are

automatically un-installed. Different versions of java have known

exploits, so it's best to either disable java, or install the latest

version.

The latest version (JRE 6 update 10) can be downloaded here:

http://tinyurl.com/5nnq7p

Java 6 may not be officially "certified" for Windows 98, but I'm not

aware of any problems with running it on win-98.

Note that win-98 (perhaps only 98se) came with an old version of java

that can be (or should be) uninstalled. Do this first before you

install any newer version from Sun.

To get rid of the version of java that came with Windows 98, do this:

- Click Start, Run and enter this:

- RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection java.inf,UnInstall

You may (or will) see a message saying "If this component is

uninstalled, Microsoft Internet Explorer will not be able to

download files from the World Wide Web. Do you want to

uninstall the Microsoft VM?"

- Click Yes to confirm the uninstall, and restart your system

when it's complete.

- Delete the following folders if they are still present:

c:\windows\java

c:\windows\inf\java.pnf

c:\windows\system32\jview.exe

c:\windows\system32\wjview.exe

- Click Start, Run and enter regedit to start the Registry

Editor. Browse to the following keys, highlight and

delete them:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Java VM

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet_Explorer\AdvancedOptions\JAVA_VM

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Philo,

I downloaded (what i thought was) Flash Player 9 from this site:

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb406791&sliceId=2

The downloaded file was:

install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

When it installs, it appears in my Add/Remove Programs as:

Adobe Flash Player ActiveX

I uninstalled it and then reinstalled it ~ thinking I had done something

wrong....but obtained the same results.

The game will still not launch.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

"philo" wrote:

>

> "skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:1126471F-EE60-4329-B2BB-789E3DDA39C3@microsoft.com...

> > I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5 & 6)

> to

> > play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I

> worked

> > with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I have

> now

> > performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio

> Personal

> > Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as

> Adobe

> > Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA. At

> the

> > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

> > Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> > I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE API V

> > 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 (

> build

> > 1.5.0.16).

> >

> > When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash Player

> > and the game won't launch!

> >

> > Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on NoScript.

> > Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to 'allow'?

> For

> > example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are cachefly.com

> and

> > monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable sites.

> But

> > I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

> > thoughts would be appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you!

>

> If you have Flash 9 installed

> you should actually see the following entry in add/remove programs:

>

> Adobe Flash Player 9 activeX

>

> If you do not specifically see "Flash Player 9"

> then you do not have it

>

> The entry: Adobe Flash Player activeX

> is simply an additional component

>

> You may need to go to the Adobe Flash site and download it.

>

> OTOH: The kinds of games that require Flash might be fairly sophisticated...

> and maybe you'd be better off just getting a few game CD's for your kids...

> They may be more appropriate...and you would not have to worry whether or

> not you were going to a safe site.

>

> Anyway that's progress for you,

> when I was 6 years old, the only games we had were sticks and stones <G>

>

> (or maybe an old tennis ball)

>

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Thanks 98 Guy for your response. Before I go through your steps, I want to

make sure I am understanding what you say....

When I go to the http://javatester.org/version.html, I click on the "Click

here to Download Plugin" icon.

When that runs, it says that the following plugins are available:

X Java Runtime Environment.

When I click Next, it gives me a message the No Plugins were installed. And

I have the option to do a Manual Install.

When I click Manual Install, it takes me to this website to install a Java

Download for Windows 98. where there are 2 options available.

At this point I did NOT proceed. Do I have Java installed or not????

Then I did the Start, run, Run dll32 (etc) and received the message that you

quoted. This makes me think that I DO have a version of Java installed.

But before proceeding (since I will be editing the registry), I wanted to

make sure I was heading in the right direction.

I assume that IF I am heading in the right direction and need to proceed

with your instructions, that my next step then would be to install the

program:

jre-6u10-windowss-i586-p.exe???

Thank you so much for your help! I've been looking at this all day and will

likely wait until I am fresh in the morning to proceed. If you could just

confirm I am reading this correctly, I'll proceed.

Thanks!

"98 Guy" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

>

> > I found Jave SE Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> > I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2,

> > and J2SE API V 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended

> > which was version 1.5.0 ( build 1.5.0.16).

>

> Go here to see what version of Java you're running:

>

> http://javatester.org/version.html

>

> Only install ONE version of java. Note that installing an updated

> version DOES NOT MEAN that the previous version (or versions) are

> automatically un-installed. Different versions of java have known

> exploits, so it's best to either disable java, or install the latest

> version.

>

> The latest version (JRE 6 update 10) can be downloaded here:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/5nnq7p

>

> Java 6 may not be officially "certified" for Windows 98, but I'm not

> aware of any problems with running it on win-98.

>

> Note that win-98 (perhaps only 98se) came with an old version of java

> that can be (or should be) uninstalled. Do this first before you

> install any newer version from Sun.

>

> To get rid of the version of java that came with Windows 98, do this:

>

> - Click Start, Run and enter this:

> - RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection java.inf,UnInstall

>

> You may (or will) see a message saying "If this component is

> uninstalled, Microsoft Internet Explorer will not be able to

> download files from the World Wide Web. Do you want to

> uninstall the Microsoft VM?"

>

> - Click Yes to confirm the uninstall, and restart your system

> when it's complete.

>

> - Delete the following folders if they are still present:

> c:\windows\java

> c:\windows\inf\java.pnf

> c:\windows\system32\jview.exe

> c:\windows\system32\wjview.exe

>

> - Click Start, Run and enter regedit to start the Registry

> Editor. Browse to the following keys, highlight and

> delete them:

>

> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Java VM

> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet_Explorer\AdvancedOptions\JAVA_VM

>

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Just a little clarification.

The JAVA you have is Microsoft's original [since we discussed OS in the

networking discussion] and you now have the SUN JAVA *online hook* AX

[ActiveX].

You will need SUN JAVA *runtime environment*. which is why 98Guy wants you

to uninstall Microsoft's outdated version. Be careful modifying the

registry.

FLASH and SHOCKWAVE are also needed. There are some who complain of system

slowdowns or worse when these are installed.

However, since this is the kids computer [protecting your own personal ones]

and with 733mhz. CPU 456megs. it should do fairly well as long as

installation goes okay.

One more item comes into play,,, your video card... what do you have in the

computer?

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.org

a Peoples' counsel

_ _

~~

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:5989CCC9-AC9D-4C34-A3A0-896EE39F3933@microsoft.com...

| Thanks 98 Guy for your response. Before I go through your steps, I want

to

| make sure I am understanding what you say....

|

| When I go to the http://javatester.org/version.html, I click on the "Click

| here to Download Plugin" icon.

|

| When that runs, it says that the following plugins are available:

| X Java Runtime Environment.

|

| When I click Next, it gives me a message the No Plugins were installed.

And

| I have the option to do a Manual Install.

|

| When I click Manual Install, it takes me to this website to install a Java

| Download for Windows 98. where there are 2 options available.

|

| At this point I did NOT proceed. Do I have Java installed or not????

|

| Then I did the Start, run, Run dll32 (etc) and received the message that

you

| quoted. This makes me think that I DO have a version of Java installed.

|

| But before proceeding (since I will be editing the registry), I wanted to

| make sure I was heading in the right direction.

|

| I assume that IF I am heading in the right direction and need to proceed

| with your instructions, that my next step then would be to install the

| program:

|

| jre-6u10-windowss-i586-p.exe???

|

| Thank you so much for your help! I've been looking at this all day and

will

| likely wait until I am fresh in the morning to proceed. If you could just

| confirm I am reading this correctly, I'll proceed.

| Thanks!

|

| "98 Guy" wrote:

|

| > skibuz wrote:

| >

| > > I found Jave SE Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

| > > I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2,

| > > and J2SE API V 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended

| > > which was version 1.5.0 ( build 1.5.0.16).

| >

| > Go here to see what version of Java you're running:

| >

| > http://javatester.org/version.html

| >

| > Only install ONE version of java. Note that installing an updated

| > version DOES NOT MEAN that the previous version (or versions) are

| > automatically un-installed. Different versions of java have known

| > exploits, so it's best to either disable java, or install the latest

| > version.

| >

| > The latest version (JRE 6 update 10) can be downloaded here:

| >

| > http://tinyurl.com/5nnq7p

| >

| > Java 6 may not be officially "certified" for Windows 98, but I'm not

| > aware of any problems with running it on win-98.

| >

| > Note that win-98 (perhaps only 98se) came with an old version of java

| > that can be (or should be) uninstalled. Do this first before you

| > install any newer version from Sun.

| >

| > To get rid of the version of java that came with Windows 98, do this:

| >

| > - Click Start, Run and enter this:

| > - RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection java.inf,UnInstall

| >

| > You may (or will) see a message saying "If this component is

| > uninstalled, Microsoft Internet Explorer will not be able to

| > download files from the World Wide Web. Do you want to

| > uninstall the Microsoft VM?"

| >

| > - Click Yes to confirm the uninstall, and restart your system

| > when it's complete.

| >

| > - Delete the following folders if they are still present:

| > c:\windows\java

| > c:\windows\inf\java.pnf

| > c:\windows\system32\jview.exe

| > c:\windows\system32\wjview.exe

| >

| > - Click Start, Run and enter regedit to start the Registry

| > Editor. Browse to the following keys, highlight and

| > delete them:

| >

| > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Java VM

| >

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet_Explorer\AdvancedOptions\JAVA

_VM

| >

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0A16BA9E-A4D8-4FD3-8C3A-4D8F59E5FE32@microsoft.com...

> Philo,

> I downloaded (what i thought was) Flash Player 9 from this site:

>

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb406791&sliceId=2

>

> The downloaded file was:

> install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

>

> When it installs, it appears in my Add/Remove Programs as:

> Adobe Flash Player ActiveX

>

> I uninstalled it and then reinstalled it ~ thinking I had done something

> wrong....but obtained the same results.

>

> The game will still not launch.

> Thoughts?

> Thanks!

>

That looks like the right place...

I see they have two versions though...

if you go the one specific for your browser it should work.

On my machine, in add/remove programs it specifically says Flash Player 9

though.

If you are using Internet Explorer

double check your settings

Tools

Internet Options

Advanced

Multimedia

The option "play animations in web pages" should be checked

> "philo" wrote:

>

> >

> > "skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:1126471F-EE60-4329-B2BB-789E3DDA39C3@microsoft.com...

> > > I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5

& 6)

> > to

> > > play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I

> > worked

> > > with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I

have

> > now

> > > performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio

> > Personal

> > > Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as

> > Adobe

> > > Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA.

At

> > the

> > > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

> > > Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> > > I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE

API V

> > > 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 (

> > build

> > > 1.5.0.16).

> > >

> > > When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash

Player

> > > and the game won't launch!

> > >

> > > Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on

NoScript.

> > > Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to

'allow'?

> > For

> > > example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are

cachefly.com

> > and

> > > monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable

sites.

> > But

> > > I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

> > > thoughts would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thank you!

> >

> > If you have Flash 9 installed

> > you should actually see the following entry in add/remove programs:

> >

> > Adobe Flash Player 9 activeX

> >

> > If you do not specifically see "Flash Player 9"

> > then you do not have it

> >

> > The entry: Adobe Flash Player activeX

> > is simply an additional component

> >

> > You may need to go to the Adobe Flash site and download it.

> >

> > OTOH: The kinds of games that require Flash might be fairly

sophisticated...

> > and maybe you'd be better off just getting a few game CD's for your

kids...

> > They may be more appropriate...and you would not have to worry whether

or

> > not you were going to a safe site.

> >

> > Anyway that's progress for you,

> > when I was 6 years old, the only games we had were sticks and stones <G>

> >

> > (or maybe an old tennis ball)

> >

October 22, 2008

RE: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

It is this site for the latest Sun Java 5:

http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp

In the lower part of the page after scrolling down you will see the download

for Sun Java 5 update 16. Note, Sun Java will be discontinuing Sun Java 5

effective on October 30, 2009 so you still have some time.

Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 Update 16

The J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE) allows end-users to run Java

applications.

Installation Instructions | ReadMe | ReleaseNotes | Sun License | Third

Party Licenses

Another note to consider with Adobe Flash Player is version 9.x is now not

supported and version 10 is only for Windows 2000 or greater. BTW, has

anyone managed to hack Adobe version 10 properly to get it to work in Windows

98 Second Edition especially since it will work in Windows 2000 and 98 Guy

previously was able to apply Windows 2000 patches for Internet Explorer 6.x

to Windows 98 Second Edition. I tried the experiment for a while as well

with no *.dll so far but have discontinued it since I use Mozilla Firefox 2.x

as my browser in both 98 Second Edition and XP Professional.

This adobe web-link should help you get the players you still may need.

http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/

Let us know if you need help with anything else.

"skibuz" wrote:

> I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5 & 6) to

> play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I worked

> with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I have now

> performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio Personal

> Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as Adobe

> Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA. At the

> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

> Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE API V

> 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 ( build

> 1.5.0.16).

>

> When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash Player

> and the game won't launch!

>

> Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on NoScript.

> Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to 'allow'? For

> example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are cachefly.com and

> monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable sites. But

> I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

> thoughts would be appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

October 22, 2008

RE: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

I went through the uninstall instructions provided. I tried to install Jave

6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did NOT install. So I installed Java 5

(jdk-1_5_0_16-windows-i586-p.exe). This DID install ok. Now in my Add Remove

Programs I have:

J2SE Development Kit 5.0 Update 16

J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 16

Flash Player ActiveX

When I went to the website to identify what version of Java I am running:

Java Version: 1.5.0_16

Then I went to http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ and found

the details for Shockwave Player 11 that said it was Win 98 compatible. When

I tried to download it, it gave me the error: Sorry, your platform is not

supported.

The kids game (http://www.totaldramaisland) continues to say I need to upgrade my

Flash Player.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. My grandkids are coming for a

visit on Friday.

Also, MEB asked what video card I had:

Belarc shows NVIDIA Vanta (HP-English) [Display Adapter]

At this point, I suspect I have a *current Win 98* Java installed, but still

need Flash 9 and Adobe Shockwave??? I have a downloaded file named:

install_flash_player_9_ax.exe. However, I have installed and uninstalled it

twice, and all that appears in my Add/Remove Programs is Adobe Flash Player

ActiveX.

I know I must be doing something very wrong....but sure can't figure out

what it is!

Thanks!

"Dan" wrote:

> It is this site for the latest Sun Java 5:

>

> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp

>

> In the lower part of the page after scrolling down you will see the download

> for Sun Java 5 update 16. Note, Sun Java will be discontinuing Sun Java 5

> effective on October 30, 2009 so you still have some time.

>

> Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 Update 16

> The J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE) allows end-users to run Java

> applications.

> Installation Instructions | ReadMe | ReleaseNotes | Sun License | Third

> Party Licenses

>

> Another note to consider with Adobe Flash Player is version 9.x is now not

> supported and version 10 is only for Windows 2000 or greater. BTW, has

> anyone managed to hack Adobe version 10 properly to get it to work in Windows

> 98 Second Edition especially since it will work in Windows 2000 and 98 Guy

> previously was able to apply Windows 2000 patches for Internet Explorer 6.x

> to Windows 98 Second Edition. I tried the experiment for a while as well

> with no *.dll so far but have discontinued it since I use Mozilla Firefox 2.x

> as my browser in both 98 Second Edition and XP Professional.

>

> This adobe web-link should help you get the players you still may need.

>

> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/

>

> Let us know if you need help with anything else.

>

> "skibuz" wrote:

>

> > I have brought my old Win 98 SE back to life for my grandsons (ages 5 & 6) to

> > play their internet games (specifically http://www.totaldramaisland.com). I worked

> > with MEB on the Win 98 Networking forum and he was very helpful. I have now

> > performed my Windows Updates, installed IE6, Avast Antivirus, Kerio Personal

> > Firewall. Installed Flash 9 (which shows up in Add/Remove programs as Adobe

> > Flash Player ActiveX). Additionally, he suggested I install SUN JAVA. At the

> > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index_jdk5.jsp I found Jave SE

> > Downloads-Previous Release_J2SE 5.0

> > I can find J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta1, J2SE API V 1.5.0 Beta 2, and J2SE API V

> > 1.5.0RC, but NOT the version MEB recommended which was version 1.5.0 ( build

> > 1.5.0.16).

> >

> > When I access the game site, it tells me I need to update my Flash Player

> > and the game won't launch!

> >

> > Additionally, MEB suggested I install onto Firefox the add on NoScript.

> > Could someone give me some hints as to which sites are safe to 'allow'? For

> > example, on the game site, 2 of the sites with scripts are cachefly.com and

> > monitis.com. When I google search them, they appear as reputable sites. But

> > I'm reluctant to 'always allow' without feeling safer with them. Any

> > thoughts would be appreciated.

> >

> > Thank you!

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> I went through the uninstall instructions provided. I tried to install Jave

> 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did NOT install. So I installed Java 5

> (jdk-1_5_0_16-windows-i586-p.exe). This DID install ok. Now in my Add Remove

> Programs I have:

> J2SE Development Kit 5.0 Update 16

> J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 16

> Flash Player ActiveX

>

> When I went to the website to identify what version of Java I am running:

> Java Version: 1.5.0_16

>

> Then I went to http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ and found

> the details for Shockwave Player 11 that said it was Win 98 compatible. When

> I tried to download it, it gave me the error: Sorry, your platform is not

> supported.

>

skibuz:

The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

Internet Explorer:

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

Netscape/ Mozilla:

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

HTH & GL

John

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

John,

Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

(install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove programs as

Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it 3 times

now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs to be

upgraded.

The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my grandkids

use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in my

system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

"John Dulak" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

> > I went through the uninstall instructions provided. I tried to install Jave

> > 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did NOT install. So I installed Java 5

> > (jdk-1_5_0_16-windows-i586-p.exe). This DID install ok. Now in my Add Remove

> > Programs I have:

> > J2SE Development Kit 5.0 Update 16

> > J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 16

> > Flash Player ActiveX

> >

> > When I went to the website to identify what version of Java I am running:

> > Java Version: 1.5.0_16

> >

> > Then I went to http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ and found

> > the details for Shockwave Player 11 that said it was Win 98 compatible. When

> > I tried to download it, it gave me the error: Sorry, your platform is not

> > supported.

> >

>

> skibuz:

>

> The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

> You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

>

> Internet Explorer:

> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

>

> Netscape/ Mozilla:

> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

>

> HTH & GL

>

> John

>

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:A25EE21C-6137-4A62-B526-FA50D37FCA28@microsoft.com...

> John,

> Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

> (install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove programs as

> Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it 3

times

> now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs to

be

> upgraded.

>

> The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my

grandkids

> use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

>

> It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in my

> system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks!

>

If the game will run on IE6 then it's ok

that version of Flash may not run on other borwsers

If you use Firefox...

then try the Mozilla version

> "John Dulak" wrote:

>

> > skibuz wrote:

> > > I went through the uninstall instructions provided. I tried to

install Jave

> > > 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did NOT install. So I installed

Java 5

> > > (jdk-1_5_0_16-windows-i586-p.exe). This DID install ok. Now in my Add

Remove

> > > Programs I have:

> > > J2SE Development Kit 5.0 Update 16

> > > J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 16

> > > Flash Player ActiveX

> > >

> > > When I went to the website to identify what version of Java I am

running:

> > > Java Version: 1.5.0_16

> > >

> > > Then I went to http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ and

found

> > > the details for Shockwave Player 11 that said it was Win 98

compatible. When

> > > I tried to download it, it gave me the error: Sorry, your platform is

not

> > > supported.

> > >

> >

> > skibuz:

> >

> > The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

> > You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

> >

> > Internet Explorer:

> >

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

> >

> > Netscape/ Mozilla:

> >

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

> >

> > HTH & GL

> >

> > John

> >

October 22, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> John,

> Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

> (install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove programs as

> Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it 3 times

> now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs to be

> upgraded.

>

> The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my grandkids

> use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

>

> It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in my

> system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks!

>

skibuz:

There are TWO versions of Flash. The version for Internet Explorer

shows up in add/remove as "Active X". If you want to use Firefox you

MUST use the version for Netscape/Mozilla. It will show up in

Add/Remove as "Flash Player Plugin". These are "Browser Plugins" and

you can install BOTH if you use both browsers.

John

>> The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

>> You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

>>

>> Internet Explorer:

>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

>>

>> Netscape/ Mozilla:

>> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

>>

>> HTH & GL

>>

>> John

>>

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Apparently I have successfully installed the install_flash_player_9_ax for

IE. When I double click on the Mozilla (which is my preferred browser) it

brings up the download box, but the SAVE button is grayed out and only the

cancel button can be selected. Perhaps that is why the game will run on IE

but not Firefox??????

Any more thoughts???

Thank you so very much!

"John Dulak" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

> > John,

> > Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

> > (install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove programs as

> > Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it 3 times

> > now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs to be

> > upgraded.

> >

> > The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my grandkids

> > use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

> >

> > It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in my

> > system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

> >

> > Any thoughts?

> > Thanks!

> >

>

> skibuz:

>

> There are TWO versions of Flash. The version for Internet Explorer

> shows up in add/remove as "Active X". If you want to use Firefox you

> MUST use the version for Netscape/Mozilla. It will show up in

> Add/Remove as "Flash Player Plugin". These are "Browser Plugins" and

> you can install BOTH if you use both browsers.

>

> John

>

> >> The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

> >> You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

> >>

> >> Internet Explorer:

> >> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

> >>

> >> Netscape/ Mozilla:

> >> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

> >>

> >> HTH & GL

> >>

> >> John

> >>

>

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:219AB6FB-CDE6-4AE1-AFFF-EFA3865A45BE@microsoft.com...

> Apparently I have successfully installed the install_flash_player_9_ax for

> IE. When I double click on the Mozilla (which is my preferred browser) it

> brings up the download box, but the SAVE button is grayed out and only the

> cancel button can be selected. Perhaps that is why the game will run on

IE

> but not Firefox??????

>

If it works with IE , use IE

but you can download the Mozilla version at the link you were given

previously

and install it as a direct download

> Any more thoughts???

> Thank you so very much!

>

> "John Dulak" wrote:

>

> > skibuz wrote:

> > > John,

> > > Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

> > > (install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove

programs as

> > > Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it

3 times

> > > now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs

to be

> > > upgraded.

> > >

> > > The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my

grandkids

> > > use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

> > >

> > > It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in

my

> > > system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts?

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> >

> > skibuz:

> >

> > There are TWO versions of Flash. The version for Internet Explorer

> > shows up in add/remove as "Active X". If you want to use Firefox you

> > MUST use the version for Netscape/Mozilla. It will show up in

> > Add/Remove as "Flash Player Plugin". These are "Browser Plugins" and

> > you can install BOTH if you use both browsers.

> >

> > John

> >

> > >> The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

> > >> You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

> > >>

> > >> Internet Explorer:

> > >>

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

> > >>

> > >> Netscape/ Mozilla:

> > >>

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

> > >>

> > >> HTH & GL

> > >>

> > >> John

> > >>

> >

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

I know I am sounding dense ~ but I tried to download the Firefox on the link

provided and the download box had the "SAVE" button was grayed out. My only

option was to Cancel.

So, as Plan B, I downloaded the link on my Vista Laptop and copied it to a

Flash drive and took it downstairs to the HP Win 98 computer and double

clicked on the install_flash_player_9.exe. Then IT WORKED! Now the kids

program will run!!

Thank you so VERY MUCH!!!!! I'm not sure what else I might need at this

point for boys (age 5 & 6) to play their little games. After 'chatting' with

MEB, I might be inclined to install a strong Parental Control program to only

allow the websites I approve.

If there is anything else I need to install, I'd appreciate knowing.....

Thanks to all of you that have helped!

"philo" wrote:

>

> "skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:219AB6FB-CDE6-4AE1-AFFF-EFA3865A45BE@microsoft.com...

> > Apparently I have successfully installed the install_flash_player_9_ax for

> > IE. When I double click on the Mozilla (which is my preferred browser) it

> > brings up the download box, but the SAVE button is grayed out and only the

> > cancel button can be selected. Perhaps that is why the game will run on

> IE

> > but not Firefox??????

> >

>

> If it works with IE , use IE

>

> but you can download the Mozilla version at the link you were given

> previously

> and install it as a direct download

>

> > Any more thoughts???

> > Thank you so very much!

> >

> > "John Dulak" wrote:

> >

> > > skibuz wrote:

> > > > John,

> > > > Thank you for trying to help me. I have downloaded that file

> > > > (install_flash_player_9_ax.exe). It shows up in my Add/Remove

> programs as

> > > > Adobe Flash Player ActiveX. I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it

> 3 times

> > > > now and I still get the message on Firefox that my Flash Player needs

> to be

> > > > upgraded.

> > > >

> > > > The game will run on my IE6 ~ however MEB recommended I not let my

> grandkids

> > > > use IE to play their games for security reasons I think.

> > > >

> > > > It's almost like this thing is taking on a life of it's own! Now in

> my

> > > > system try I have a JAVA 2 Platform Icon.

> > > >

> > > > Any thoughts?

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > >

> > > skibuz:

> > >

> > > There are TWO versions of Flash. The version for Internet Explorer

> > > shows up in add/remove as "Active X". If you want to use Firefox you

> > > MUST use the version for Netscape/Mozilla. It will show up in

> > > Add/Remove as "Flash Player Plugin". These are "Browser Plugins" and

> > > you can install BOTH if you use both browsers.

> > >

> > > John

> > >

> > > >> The last version of Adobe Flash to work with Windows 98 is version 9.

> > > >> You can download the plugin for your browsers here:

> > > >>

> > > >> Internet Explorer:

> > > >>

> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9_ax.exe

> > > >>

> > > >> Netscape/ Mozilla:

> > > >>

> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/current/9/install_flash_player_9.exe

> > > >>

> > > >> HTH & GL

> > > >>

> > > >> John

> > > >>

> > >

>

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> I know I am sounding dense ~ but I tried to download the Firefox on the link

> provided and the download box had the "SAVE" button was grayed out. My only

> option was to Cancel.

>

> So, as Plan B, I downloaded the link on my Vista Laptop and copied it to a

> Flash drive and took it downstairs to the HP Win 98 computer and double

> clicked on the install_flash_player_9.exe. Then IT WORKED! Now the kids

> program will run!!

>

> Thank you so VERY MUCH!!!!! I'm not sure what else I might need at this

> point for boys (age 5 & 6) to play their little games. After 'chatting' with

> MEB, I might be inclined to install a strong Parental Control program to only

> allow the websites I approve.

>

> If there is anything else I need to install, I'd appreciate knowing.....

>

> Thanks to all of you that have helped!

skibuz:

You're Welcome. Glad to hear you got it working.

John

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> I tried to install Java 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did

> NOT install.

Yes, I also get a Windows Installer error:

----------

Error 1721. There is a problem with this Windows Installer package

----------

Even when I installed Windows Installer 2.0 Redistributable for Windows

9x/me.

However, JRE 6 (update 7) does install on win-98. The link to it is

here:

http://tinyurl.com/5fjtnz

Update 7 is dated July / 2008 (so it's relatively recent). There

appears to be no version 6 update 8 or 9.

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Thanks 98 Guy....

Since I did get Java Runtime 5.0 installed (jdk-1_5_0-16-windows-i586-p.exe

installed, what would I need to do to uninstall it to install the

jre-6u7-windows-i586-p.exe?

Maybe I'm getting close to getting this whole mess resolved!!

Thanks!

"98 Guy" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

>

> > I tried to install Java 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did

> > NOT install.

>

> Yes, I also get a Windows Installer error:

>

> ----------

> Error 1721. There is a problem with this Windows Installer package

> ----------

>

> Even when I installed Windows Installer 2.0 Redistributable for Windows

> 9x/me.

>

> However, JRE 6 (update 7) does install on win-98. The link to it is

> here:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/5fjtnz

>

> Update 7 is dated July / 2008 (so it's relatively recent). There

> appears to be no version 6 update 8 or 9.

>

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

The last supported [if you want to call it that] of SUN JAVA is the one you

have installed. IF its now working in both IE and FireFox, then you might

want to stay with it. Make sure to go to the Control Panel as I previously

mentioned, and limit what can be done in JAVA.

IF you still don't have what you need in FireFox remember you must INSTALL

most *pluggins/add-ons*, downloading them does no good. Use the Mozilla

pages when looking for and installing.

A parental control program would be good, however, I had already directed

you to the HOSTS file which would take care of many of the problems

associated with children and the Internet. When my kids were young I used a

Program Called NetNanny [they never knew it was installed]....

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.org

a Peoples' counsel

_ _

~~

"skibuz" <skibuz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:CF9B24AB-2E8B-49E3-A6B5-2243C65D722E@microsoft.com...

|

| Thanks 98 Guy....

| Since I did get Java Runtime 5.0 installed

(jdk-1_5_0-16-windows-i586-p.exe

| installed, what would I need to do to uninstall it to install the

| jre-6u7-windows-i586-p.exe?

|

| Maybe I'm getting close to getting this whole mess resolved!!

|

| Thanks!

|

| "98 Guy" wrote:

|

| > skibuz wrote:

| >

| > > I tried to install Java 6 (jre-6u10-windows-i586-p.exe. It did

| > > NOT install.

| >

| > Yes, I also get a Windows Installer error:

| >

| > ----------

| > Error 1721. There is a problem with this Windows Installer package

| > ----------

| >

| > Even when I installed Windows Installer 2.0 Redistributable for Windows

| > 9x/me.

| >

| > However, JRE 6 (update 7) does install on win-98. The link to it is

| > here:

| >

| > http://tinyurl.com/5fjtnz

| >

| > Update 7 is dated July / 2008 (so it's relatively recent). There

| > appears to be no version 6 update 8 or 9.

| >

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> Since I did get Java Runtime 5.0 installed installed, what would I

> need to do to uninstall it to install the jre-6u7-windows-i586-p.exe?

As MEB said, you probably can stay with JRE 5 Update 16 for now. I've

been looking, but unless I install it I can't find it's release or

build-date anywhere, so I don't know how old (or new?) it is compared to

JRE 6 update 7.

What is the file-date of the file javaw.exe on your system now?

October 23, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

My javaw.exe file (properties) shows:

Created 5/28/08

Modified 5/28/08

Full Version 1.5.0_16-b02

Version 5.0.160.2

Is that the information you were looking for?

In Control Panel Java I see where the Network Settings are set to use

Browser Settings. What other settings to I need to check/or change and what

do I need to limit?

Currently in Firefox, I have only 2 add-ons. NoScript 1.8.3.3 and Talkback

2.0.0.11

I searched add-ons for Java, Flash and Shockwave. The only one that I

thought might be applicable was a Java Console for Java SE 1.5.0_12 (which

was the closest to my version of 1.5.0_16). Which add-ons should I include

at this point. I'm kind of out of my element as to exactly what I'm looking

for here.

I didn't find any add-on capability in IE 6.

At this point, if I allow scripts in Firefox, the game will play. It also

plays fine in IE6.

Is there anything else I need to install/add?

Thanks to all of you that have helped me with this!

"98 Guy" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

>

> > Since I did get Java Runtime 5.0 installed installed, what would I

> > need to do to uninstall it to install the jre-6u7-windows-i586-p.exe?

>

> As MEB said, you probably can stay with JRE 5 Update 16 for now. I've

> been looking, but unless I install it I can't find it's release or

> build-date anywhere, so I don't know how old (or new?) it is compared to

> JRE 6 update 7.

>

> What is the file-date of the file javaw.exe on your system now?

>

October 24, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> My javaw.exe file (properties) shows:

> Created 5/28/08

> Modified 5/28/08

> Full Version 1.5.0_16-b02

> Version 5.0.160.2

>

> Is that the information you were looking for?

>

> In Control Panel Java I see where the Network Settings are set

> to use Browser Settings. What other settings to I need to

> check/or change and what do I need to limit?

That version (5up16) is probably ok. It's only 1 month older than 6up7.

In control panel - java - I'd remove the "check for updates

automatically" setting. No need to run that any more (that's the

setting responsible for jusched.exe being loaded at system startup).

I've never messed with any other settings.

> The only one that I thought might be applicable was a Java

> Console for Java SE 1.5.0_12

I don't know why someone would want to be running the Java console.

> Is there anything else I need to install/add?

> Thanks to all of you that have helped me with this!

If you're going to be doing any bit-torrent stuff, you probably want to

get peer guardian.

October 24, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

Thanks 98 Guy,

Since I don't know what bit torrent stuff is, I doubt I would be needing

peer guardian.

By the way, do you know how I can get rid of that annoying pop up window for

Networking that asks for a password. I have not set a password but need to

either cancel or close it out before it will continue to boot into windows98?

Thanks again!

"98 Guy" wrote:

> skibuz wrote:

>

> > My javaw.exe file (properties) shows:

> > Created 5/28/08

> > Modified 5/28/08

> > Full Version 1.5.0_16-b02

> > Version 5.0.160.2

> >

> > Is that the information you were looking for?

> >

> > In Control Panel Java I see where the Network Settings are set

> > to use Browser Settings. What other settings to I need to

> > check/or change and what do I need to limit?

>

> That version (5up16) is probably ok. It's only 1 month older than 6up7.

>

> In control panel - java - I'd remove the "check for updates

> automatically" setting. No need to run that any more (that's the

> setting responsible for jusched.exe being loaded at system startup).

>

> I've never messed with any other settings.

>

> > The only one that I thought might be applicable was a Java

> > Console for Java SE 1.5.0_12

>

> I don't know why someone would want to be running the Java console.

>

> > Is there anything else I need to install/add?

> > Thanks to all of you that have helped me with this!

>

> If you're going to be doing any bit-torrent stuff, you probably want to

> get peer guardian.

>

October 24, 2008

Re: Software Compatibility (kids games) with Win 98SE

skibuz wrote:

> Thanks 98 Guy,

> Since I don't know what bit torrent stuff is, I doubt I would be needing

> peer guardian.

>

> By the way, do you know how I can get rid of that annoying pop up window for

> Networking that asks for a password. I have not set a password but need to

> either cancel or close it out before it will continue to boot into windows98?

>

> Thanks again!

skibuz:

Go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Network > Configuration tab

Under "Primary Network Logon" choose "Windows Logon" from the drop

down menu. Click "OK". You may have to reboot to have the setting take

effect.

Hth & GL

John

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