Guest mugentuner Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP setup format the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, the Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked the boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup and will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive and the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active partition. Any help appreciated.
Guest Ken Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot mugentuner wrote: > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP setup > format > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, the > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked the > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup and > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive and > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active partition. Any > help appreciated. > There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded it generally is easier to deal with them.
Guest mugentuner Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra hd's or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format to see if that works, and then try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it at least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. Very strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before when windows got corrupted a while ago. Also, even tried setting the drive jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other experts want to chime in as well? Thanks "Ken" wrote: > mugentuner wrote: > > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP setup > > format > > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, the > > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked the > > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup and > > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive and > > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active partition. Any > > help appreciated. > > > > There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, > but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that > Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any > unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded > it generally is easier to deal with them. >
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:537A41DE-4C11-4928-B484-723FB55178FC@microsoft.com... > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra > hd's > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format fdisk does not format, it partitions, and a genuine low level format can be a bad idea if it's even possible. > to see if that works, Again, a genuine low-level format is often not possible. What you are referring to as a low-level format is likely not, but rather the "slow" format that checks the disk surface as it runs. The "fast" format skips this step. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting > and then > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it > at > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. > Very > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before > when > windows got corrupted a while ago. Have you ever had automobile brakes wear? For a while they're OK, then they start to fail. > Also, even tried setting the drive > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other > experts > want to chime in as well? Thanks Substitute another new drive - these are cheap now (where I am, 500 gig drives are under $70). If the problem persists, it's not the drive, if the install poroceeds, the faulty drive is, well, faulty and should be discarded. HTH -pk > > "Ken" wrote: > >> mugentuner wrote: >> > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP >> > setup >> > format >> > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, >> > the >> > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked >> > the >> > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup >> > and >> > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive >> > and >> > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active >> > partition. Any >> > help appreciated. >> > >> >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded >> it generally is easier to deal with them. >>
Guest mugentuner Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot Yes, exactly, low level format would zero out the drive I believe. "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:537A41DE-4C11-4928-B484-723FB55178FC@microsoft.com... > > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra > > hd's > > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i > > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone > > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format > > fdisk does not format, it partitions, and a genuine low level format can be > a bad idea if it's even possible. > > > to see if that works, > > Again, a genuine low-level format is often not possible. > > What you are referring to as a low-level format is likely not, but rather > the "slow" format that checks the disk surface as it runs. The "fast" > format skips this step. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting > > > and then > > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it > > at > > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive > > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. > > Very > > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before > > when > > windows got corrupted a while ago. > > Have you ever had automobile brakes wear? For a while they're OK, then > they start to fail. > > > Also, even tried setting the drive > > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other > > experts > > want to chime in as well? Thanks > > Substitute another new drive - these are cheap now (where I am, 500 gig > drives are under $70). > > If the problem persists, it's not the drive, if the install poroceeds, the > faulty drive is, well, faulty and should be discarded. > > HTH > -pk > > > > > > "Ken" wrote: > > > >> mugentuner wrote: > >> > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP > >> > setup > >> > format > >> > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, > >> > the > >> > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked > >> > the > >> > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup > >> > and > >> > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive > >> > and > >> > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active > >> > partition. Any > >> > help appreciated. > >> > > >> > >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, > >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that > >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any > >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded > >> it generally is easier to deal with them. > >> > > >
Guest Ken Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot mugentuner wrote: > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra hd's > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format to see if that works, and then > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it at > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. Very > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before when > windows got corrupted a while ago. Also, even tried setting the drive > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other experts > want to chime in as well? Thanks > > "Ken" wrote: > >> mugentuner wrote: >>> I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP setup >>> format >>> the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, the >>> Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked the >>> boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup and >>> will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive and >>> the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active partition. Any >>> help appreciated. >>> >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded >> it generally is easier to deal with them. >> Based upon your comments above I would tend to agree with the diagnosis that the HD is your problem. As a last resort however I would also make sure the CMOS settings were set at default values. There could be some bizarre setting that is causing you problems if the HD is not the cause.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:39:01 -0700, mugentuner <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Yes, exactly, low level format would zero out the drive I believe. Not really. A true low-level format is an obsolete technique that used to work with older hard drives. If you use such a program on a modern drive, it doesn't zero out the drive, but *destroys* it. They are extremely dangerous and everyone should be sure to avoid them Unfortunately there are also some programs available that are called low-level format, but are not really low-level format programs; they just zero out the drive, as you say. Although those are not dangerous, their name confuses the issue, and increases the risk that someone may use a real low-level format program on a modern drive, and thereby destroy it. > "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > > > "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:537A41DE-4C11-4928-B484-723FB55178FC@microsoft.com... > > > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra > > > hd's > > > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i > > > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone > > > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format > > > > fdisk does not format, it partitions, and a genuine low level format can be > > a bad idea if it's even possible. > > > > > to see if that works, > > > > Again, a genuine low-level format is often not possible. > > > > What you are referring to as a low-level format is likely not, but rather > > the "slow" format that checks the disk surface as it runs. The "fast" > > format skips this step. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting > > > > > and then > > > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it > > > at > > > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive > > > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. > > > Very > > > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before > > > when > > > windows got corrupted a while ago. > > > > Have you ever had automobile brakes wear? For a while they're OK, then > > they start to fail. > > > > > Also, even tried setting the drive > > > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other > > > experts > > > want to chime in as well? Thanks > > > > Substitute another new drive - these are cheap now (where I am, 500 gig > > drives are under $70). > > > > If the problem persists, it's not the drive, if the install poroceeds, the > > faulty drive is, well, faulty and should be discarded. > > > > HTH > > -pk > > > > > > > > > > "Ken" wrote: > > > > > >> mugentuner wrote: > > >> > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP > > >> > setup > > >> > format > > >> > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, > > >> > the > > >> > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked > > >> > the > > >> > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup > > >> > and > > >> > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive > > >> > and > > >> > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active > > >> > partition. Any > > >> > help appreciated. > > >> > > > >> > > >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, > > >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that > > >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any > > >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded > > >> it generally is easier to deal with them. > > >> > > > > > > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest mugentuner Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot I'm running Seatools DOS version on this Seagate HD to see if it can find any errors and automatically fix them. Will let you guys know the outcome. Seem to be running out of options with this drive. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:39:01 -0700, mugentuner > <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > Yes, exactly, low level format would zero out the drive I believe. > > > Not really. > > A true low-level format is an obsolete technique that used to work > with older hard drives. If you use such a program on a modern drive, > it doesn't zero out the drive, but *destroys* it. They are extremely > dangerous and everyone should be sure to avoid them > > Unfortunately there are also some programs available that are called > low-level format, but are not really low-level format programs; they > just zero out the drive, as you say. Although those are not dangerous, > their name confuses the issue, and increases the risk that someone may > use a real low-level format program on a modern drive, and thereby > destroy it. > > > > "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > > > > > "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > news:537A41DE-4C11-4928-B484-723FB55178FC@microsoft.com... > > > > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra > > > > hd's > > > > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess i > > > > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now gone > > > > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format > > > > > > fdisk does not format, it partitions, and a genuine low level format can be > > > a bad idea if it's even possible. > > > > > > > to see if that works, > > > > > > Again, a genuine low-level format is often not possible. > > > > > > What you are referring to as a low-level format is likely not, but rather > > > the "slow" format that checks the disk surface as it runs. The "fast" > > > format skips this step. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting > > > > > > > and then > > > > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe it > > > > at > > > > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this drive > > > > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. > > > > Very > > > > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before > > > > when > > > > windows got corrupted a while ago. > > > > > > Have you ever had automobile brakes wear? For a while they're OK, then > > > they start to fail. > > > > > > > Also, even tried setting the drive > > > > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other > > > > experts > > > > want to chime in as well? Thanks > > > > > > Substitute another new drive - these are cheap now (where I am, 500 gig > > > drives are under $70). > > > > > > If the problem persists, it's not the drive, if the install poroceeds, the > > > faulty drive is, well, faulty and should be discarded. > > > > > > HTH > > > -pk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ken" wrote: > > > > > > > >> mugentuner wrote: > > > >> > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let XP > > > >> > setup > > > >> > format > > > >> > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the pc, > > > >> > the > > > >> > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've checked > > > >> > the > > > >> > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial startup > > > >> > and > > > >> > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard drive > > > >> > and > > > >> > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active > > > >> > partition. Any > > > >> > help appreciated. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than I, > > > >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware that > > > >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove any > > > >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is loaded > > > >> it generally is easier to deal with them. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup >
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted October 26, 2008 Posted October 26, 2008 Re: Setup does not continue after XP preinstall and reboot "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E5067719-8060-4A3D-B181-94B6668DA409@microsoft.com... > Yes, exactly, low level format would zero out the drive I believe. Not really. In fact it may not be possible for you to do a low-level format, and even if you were able to, your problems would likely be much worse. You are likely just doing a high-level format with some disk checking. Try another drive, this will show you quickly where the problem exists. If a new drive works properly, discard the old one. HTH -pk > "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > >> "mugentuner" <mugentuner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:537A41DE-4C11-4928-B484-723FB55178FC@microsoft.com... >> > Yeah, thought about that as well, but i don't have any PCI cards, extra >> > hd's >> > or even USB devices connected when trying this clean install. I guess >> > i >> > could try removing a stick of memory and see if that helps. Have now >> > gone >> > back to fdisk and i'm doing a low level format >> >> fdisk does not format, it partitions, and a genuine low level format can >> be >> a bad idea if it's even possible. >> >> > to see if that works, >> >> Again, a genuine low-level format is often not possible. >> >> What you are referring to as a low-level format is likely not, but rather >> the "slow" format that checks the disk surface as it runs. The "fast" >> format skips this step. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting >> >> > and then >> > try a reinstall. If not, will use a 'killdisk' on this drive to wipe >> > it >> > at >> > least twice and then proceed. The pc is just not responding to this >> > drive >> > last time i checked and it just sits there with no errors or anything. >> > Very >> > strange. Whats weird is i've done a clean install on this drive before >> > when >> > windows got corrupted a while ago. >> >> Have you ever had automobile brakes wear? For a while they're OK, then >> they start to fail. >> >> > Also, even tried setting the drive >> > jumpers to 'master' on a single IDE cable and still no go. Any other >> > experts >> > want to chime in as well? Thanks >> >> Substitute another new drive - these are cheap now (where I am, 500 gig >> drives are under $70). >> >> If the problem persists, it's not the drive, if the install poroceeds, >> the >> faulty drive is, well, faulty and should be discarded. >> >> HTH >> -pk >> >> >> > >> > "Ken" wrote: >> > >> >> mugentuner wrote: >> >> > I was trying to do a clean install of xp pro with a new HD and I let >> >> > XP >> >> > setup >> >> > format >> >> > the disc and copy all of its setup files e.t.c. When rebooting the >> >> > pc, >> >> > the >> >> > Hard drive does not boot up to continue with the install. I've >> >> > checked >> >> > the >> >> > boot order of the BIOS e.t.c., but it is just stuck on initial >> >> > startup >> >> > and >> >> > will not boot. Any ideas? I've used fdisk and checked the Hard >> >> > drive >> >> > and >> >> > the file structure looks to be in place and set as the active >> >> > partition. Any >> >> > help appreciated. >> >> > >> >> >> >> There are probably others more knowledgeable about this problem than >> >> I, >> >> but most of the times I saw it the problem was a piece of hardware >> >> that >> >> Windows could not deal with. If it were my computer I would remove >> >> any >> >> unnecessary hardware (plug in cards) and try it. Once Windows is >> >> loaded >> >> it generally is easier to deal with them. >> >> >> >> >>
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