Guest LilDeb Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Hi There, I hope I am posting this to the right board.... We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One of the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done some reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares, update the drivers, etc….. My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4 print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I can consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but have come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling, print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else that I am not thinking about at the moment. Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help that can be provided. Debbie
Guest Alan Morris [MSFT] Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 Print Server how many clients? client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)? How many printers in the total organization? How many print jobs per day? What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, RAM? I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space. the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to the printer. the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced by the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print job to the server. here are additional resources http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx -- Alan Morris Windows Printing Team Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com... > Hi There, > > I hope I am posting this to the right board.... > > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One > of > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done > some > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares, > update the drivers, etc... > > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4 > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I > can > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but > have > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling, > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else > that I am not thinking about at the moment. > > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help > that > can be provided. > > Debbie
Guest LilDeb Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 Print Server We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure on the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that this is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment and see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services. At this point I’m just keeping my fingers crossed. "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: > how many clients? > > client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)? > > How many printers in the total organization? > > How many print jobs per day? > > > What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, RAM? > > I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are > keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space. > > the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to the > printer. > > the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced by > the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print job > to the server. > > > here are additional resources > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx > > > > -- > Alan Morris > Windows Printing Team > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > > "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com... > > Hi There, > > > > I hope I am posting this to the right board.... > > > > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One > > of > > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve > > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done > > some > > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually > > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares, > > update the drivers, etc... > > > > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a > > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4 > > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I > > can > > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but > > have > > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling, > > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else > > that I am not thinking about at the moment. > > > > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help > > that > > can be provided. > > > > Debbie > > >
Guest Alan Morris [MSFT] Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 Print Server It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server but even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print Migration Wizard available in Vista +. Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is sample data Number Remote Printers 432 Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 Total Jobs Spooled 44,220 Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330 Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810 Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795 Average Pages/Job 5 Average Bytes/Page 354,664 Browse List Requested 0 Browse Printer Added 0 Queues with Jobs 34 Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33 Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54 Number Remote Printers 271 on Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 Total Jobs Spooled 31,138 Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540 Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862 Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133 Average Pages/Job 5 Average Bytes/Page 342,974 Browse List Requested 0 Browse Printer Added 0 Queues with Jobs 19 Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48 Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08 -- Alan Morris Windows Printing Team Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com... > We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure > on > the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the > hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3 > 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that > this > is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements > first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then > implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment > and > see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new > territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services. > At > this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed. > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: > >> how many clients? >> >> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)? >> >> How many printers in the total organization? >> >> How many print jobs per day? >> >> >> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, >> RAM? >> >> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are >> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space. >> >> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to >> the >> printer. >> >> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced >> by >> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print >> job >> to the server. >> >> >> here are additional resources >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx >> >> >> >> -- >> Alan Morris >> Windows Printing Team >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com... >> > Hi There, >> > >> > I hope I am posting this to the right board.... >> > >> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. >> > One >> > of >> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve >> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done >> > some >> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, >> > manually >> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the >> > shares, >> > update the drivers, etc... >> > >> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are >> > not a >> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we >> > have 4 >> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if >> > I >> > can >> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), >> > but >> > have >> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are >> > spooling, >> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything >> > else >> > that I am not thinking about at the moment. >> > >> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help >> > that >> > can be provided. >> > >> > Debbie >> >> >>
Guest LilDeb Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 Print Server Thanks! Looks as though we'll be ok. Our devices are HP print servers, and I am intending on using the migration wizard. Thanks again! Deb "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: > It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server but > even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue > > What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows > appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print > Migration Wizard available in Vista +. > > Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is sample > data > > Number Remote Printers 432 > Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE > Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 > Total Jobs Spooled 44,220 > Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330 > Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810 > Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795 > Average Pages/Job 5 > Average Bytes/Page 354,664 > Browse List Requested 0 > Browse Printer Added 0 > Queues with Jobs 34 > > Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33 > Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54 > > > Number Remote Printers 271 on > Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE > Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 > Total Jobs Spooled 31,138 > Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540 > Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862 > Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133 > Average Pages/Job 5 > Average Bytes/Page 342,974 > Browse List Requested 0 > Browse Printer Added 0 > Queues with Jobs 19 > Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48 > Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08 > -- > Alan Morris > Windows Printing Team > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > > "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com... > > We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure > > on > > the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the > > hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3 > > 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that > > this > > is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements > > first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then > > implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment > > and > > see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new > > territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services. > > At > > this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed. > > > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: > > > >> how many clients? > >> > >> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)? > >> > >> How many printers in the total organization? > >> > >> How many print jobs per day? > >> > >> > >> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, > >> RAM? > >> > >> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are > >> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space. > >> > >> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to > >> the > >> printer. > >> > >> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced > >> by > >> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print > >> job > >> to the server. > >> > >> > >> here are additional resources > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alan Morris > >> Windows Printing Team > >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: > >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 > >> > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > >> rights. > >> > >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com... > >> > Hi There, > >> > > >> > I hope I am posting this to the right board.... > >> > > >> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. > >> > One > >> > of > >> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve > >> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done > >> > some > >> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, > >> > manually > >> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the > >> > shares, > >> > update the drivers, etc... > >> > > >> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are > >> > not a > >> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we > >> > have 4 > >> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if > >> > I > >> > can > >> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), > >> > but > >> > have > >> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are > >> > spooling, > >> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything > >> > else > >> > that I am not thinking about at the moment. > >> > > >> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help > >> > that > >> > can be provided. > >> > > >> > Debbie > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest Alan Morris [MSFT] Posted October 29, 2008 Posted October 29, 2008 Re: Windows 2008 Print Server HP print appliance? Let me know if this works and what model print appliance you are running thanks -- Alan Morris Windows Printing Team Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:238A30CF-6CBD-4545-B1A2-249882A4AC08@microsoft.com... > Thanks! Looks as though we'll be ok. Our devices are HP print servers, and > I > am intending on using the migration wizard. > > Thanks again! > Deb > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: > >> It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server >> but >> even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue >> >> What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows >> appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print >> Migration Wizard available in Vista +. >> >> Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is >> sample >> data >> >> Number Remote Printers 432 >> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE >> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 >> Total Jobs Spooled 44,220 >> Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330 >> Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810 >> Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795 >> Average Pages/Job 5 >> Average Bytes/Page 354,664 >> Browse List Requested 0 >> Browse Printer Added 0 >> Queues with Jobs 34 >> >> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33 >> Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54 >> >> >> Number Remote Printers 271 on >> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE >> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6 >> Total Jobs Spooled 31,138 >> Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540 >> Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862 >> Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133 >> Average Pages/Job 5 >> Average Bytes/Page 342,974 >> Browse List Requested 0 >> Browse Printer Added 0 >> Queues with Jobs 19 >> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48 >> Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08 >> -- >> Alan Morris >> Windows Printing Team >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com... >> > We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not >> > sure >> > on >> > the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for >> > the >> > hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP >> > DL360G3 >> > 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that >> > this >> > is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the >> > requirements >> > first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then >> > implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment >> > and >> > see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new >> > territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print >> > services. >> > At >> > this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed. >> > >> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote: >> > >> >> how many clients? >> >> >> >> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)? >> >> >> >> How many printers in the total organization? >> >> >> >> How many print jobs per day? >> >> >> >> >> >> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, >> >> RAM? >> >> >> >> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you >> >> are >> >> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space. >> >> >> >> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to >> >> the >> >> printer. >> >> >> >> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be >> >> influenced >> >> by >> >> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print >> >> job >> >> to the server. >> >> >> >> >> >> here are additional resources >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alan Morris >> >> Windows Printing Team >> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 >> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> >> rights. >> >> >> >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com... >> >> > Hi There, >> >> > >> >> > I hope I am posting this to the right board.... >> >> > >> >> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our >> >> > environment. >> >> > One >> >> > of >> >> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print >> >> > Serve >> >> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have >> >> > done >> >> > some >> >> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, >> >> > manually >> >> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the >> >> > shares, >> >> > update the drivers, etc... >> >> > >> >> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are >> >> > not a >> >> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we >> >> > have 4 >> >> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering >> >> > if >> >> > I >> >> > can >> >> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), >> >> > but >> >> > have >> >> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are >> >> > spooling, >> >> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and >> >> > anything >> >> > else >> >> > that I am not thinking about at the moment. >> >> > >> >> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any >> >> > help >> >> > that >> >> > can be provided. >> >> > >> >> > Debbie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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