Windows 2008 Print Server

[Guest LilDeb]

Hi There,

 

I hope I am posting this to the right board....

 

We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One of

the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve

Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done some

reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually

add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares,

update the drivers, etc…..

 

My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a

large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4

print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I can

consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but have

come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling,

print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else

that I am not thinking about at the moment.

 

Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help that

can be provided.

 

Debbie

[Guest Alan Morris [MSFT]]

Re: Windows 2008 Print Server

 

how many clients?

 

client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)?

 

How many printers in the total organization?

 

How many print jobs per day?

 

 

What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, RAM?

 

I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are

keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space.

 

the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to the

printer.

 

the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced by

the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print job

to the server.

 

 

here are additional resources

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx

 

 

 

--

Alan Morris

Windows Printing Team

Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

"LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com...

> Hi There,

>

> I hope I am posting this to the right board....

>

> We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One

> of

> the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve

> Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done

> some

> reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually

> add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares,

> update the drivers, etc...

>

> My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a

> large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4

> print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I

> can

> consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but

> have

> come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling,

> print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else

> that I am not thinking about at the moment.

>

> Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help

> that

> can be provided.

>

> Debbie

[Guest LilDeb]

Re: Windows 2008 Print Server

 

We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure on

the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the

hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3

2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that this

is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements

first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then

implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment and

see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new

territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services. At

this point I’m just keeping my fingers crossed.

 

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> how many clients?

>

> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)?

>

> How many printers in the total organization?

>

> How many print jobs per day?

>

>

> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit, RAM?

>

> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are

> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space.

>

> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to the

> printer.

>

> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced by

> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print job

> to the server.

>

>

> here are additional resources

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx

>

>

>

> --

> Alan Morris

> Windows Printing Team

> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

>

> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com...

> > Hi There,

> >

> > I hope I am posting this to the right board....

> >

> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment. One

> > of

> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve

> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done

> > some

> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role, manually

> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the shares,

> > update the drivers, etc...

> >

> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are not a

> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we have 4

> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if I

> > can

> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing), but

> > have

> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are spooling,

> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything else

> > that I am not thinking about at the moment.

> >

> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help

> > that

> > can be provided.

> >

> > Debbie

>

>

>

[Guest Alan Morris [MSFT]]

Re: Windows 2008 Print Server

 

It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server but

even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue

 

What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows

appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print

Migration Wizard available in Vista +.

 

Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is sample

data

 

Number Remote Printers 432

Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

Total Jobs Spooled 44,220

Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330

Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810

Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795

Average Pages/Job 5

Average Bytes/Page 354,664

Browse List Requested 0

Browse Printer Added 0

Queues with Jobs 34

 

Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33

Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54

 

 

Number Remote Printers 271 on

Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

Total Jobs Spooled 31,138

Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540

Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862

Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133

Average Pages/Job 5

Average Bytes/Page 342,974

Browse List Requested 0

Browse Printer Added 0

Queues with Jobs 19

Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48

Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08

--

Alan Morris

Windows Printing Team

Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

"LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com...

> We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure

> on

> the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the

> hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3

> 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that

> this

> is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements

> first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then

> implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment

> and

> see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new

> territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services.

> At

> this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

>

> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

>

>> how many clients?

>>

>> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)?

>>

>> How many printers in the total organization?

>>

>> How many print jobs per day?

>>

>>

>> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit,

>> RAM?

>>

>> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are

>> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space.

>>

>> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to

>> the

>> printer.

>>

>> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced

>> by

>> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print

>> job

>> to the server.

>>

>>

>> here are additional resources

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Alan Morris

>> Windows Printing Team

>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

>>

>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> rights.

>>

>> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com...

>> > Hi There,

>> >

>> > I hope I am posting this to the right board....

>> >

>> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment.

>> > One

>> > of

>> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve

>> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done

>> > some

>> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role,

>> > manually

>> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the

>> > shares,

>> > update the drivers, etc...

>> >

>> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are

>> > not a

>> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we

>> > have 4

>> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if

>> > I

>> > can

>> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing),

>> > but

>> > have

>> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are

>> > spooling,

>> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything

>> > else

>> > that I am not thinking about at the moment.

>> >

>> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help

>> > that

>> > can be provided.

>> >

>> > Debbie

>>

>>

>>

[Guest LilDeb]

Re: Windows 2008 Print Server

 

Thanks! Looks as though we'll be ok. Our devices are HP print servers, and I

am intending on using the migration wizard.

 

Thanks again!

Deb

 

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server but

> even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue

>

> What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows

> appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print

> Migration Wizard available in Vista +.

>

> Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is sample

> data

>

> Number Remote Printers 432

> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

> Total Jobs Spooled 44,220

> Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330

> Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810

> Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795

> Average Pages/Job 5

> Average Bytes/Page 354,664

> Browse List Requested 0

> Browse Printer Added 0

> Queues with Jobs 34

>

> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33

> Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54

>

>

> Number Remote Printers 271 on

> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

> Total Jobs Spooled 31,138

> Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540

> Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862

> Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133

> Average Pages/Job 5

> Average Bytes/Page 342,974

> Browse List Requested 0

> Browse Printer Added 0

> Queues with Jobs 19

> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48

> Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08

> --

> Alan Morris

> Windows Printing Team

> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

>

> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com...

> > We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not sure

> > on

> > the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for the

> > hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP DL360G3

> > 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that

> > this

> > is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the requirements

> > first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then

> > implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment

> > and

> > see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new

> > territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print services.

> > At

> > this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

> >

> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> >

> >> how many clients?

> >>

> >> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)?

> >>

> >> How many printers in the total organization?

> >>

> >> How many print jobs per day?

> >>

> >>

> >> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit,

> >> RAM?

> >>

> >> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you are

> >> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space.

> >>

> >> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to

> >> the

> >> printer.

> >>

> >> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be influenced

> >> by

> >> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print

> >> job

> >> to the server.

> >>

> >>

> >> here are additional resources

> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >> Alan Morris

> >> Windows Printing Team

> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

> >>

> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> >> rights.

> >>

> >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com...

> >> > Hi There,

> >> >

> >> > I hope I am posting this to the right board....

> >> >

> >> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our environment.

> >> > One

> >> > of

> >> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print Serve

> >> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have done

> >> > some

> >> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role,

> >> > manually

> >> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the

> >> > shares,

> >> > update the drivers, etc...

> >> >

> >> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are

> >> > not a

> >> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we

> >> > have 4

> >> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering if

> >> > I

> >> > can

> >> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing),

> >> > but

> >> > have

> >> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are

> >> > spooling,

> >> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and anything

> >> > else

> >> > that I am not thinking about at the moment.

> >> >

> >> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any help

> >> > that

> >> > can be provided.

> >> >

> >> > Debbie

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

>

[Guest Alan Morris [MSFT]]

Re: Windows 2008 Print Server

 

HP print appliance?

 

Let me know if this works and what model print appliance you are running

 

thanks

 

--

Alan Morris

Windows Printing Team

Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

"LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:238A30CF-6CBD-4545-B1A2-249882A4AC08@microsoft.com...

> Thanks! Looks as though we'll be ok. Our devices are HP print servers, and

> I

> am intending on using the migration wizard.

>

> Thanks again!

> Deb

>

> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

>

>> It would be nice to have the full two GIG available to the print server

>> but

>> even with 1 GIG adding 160 printers is not an issue

>>

>> What type of appliances are you using? If they are the Canon Windows

>> appliances you may be able to backup the printers and drivers using Print

>> Migration Wizard available in Vista +.

>>

>> Bigger hardware and I think these guys have 8 GIG as well but here is

>> sample

>> data

>>

>> Number Remote Printers 432

>> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

>> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

>> Total Jobs Spooled 44,220

>> Total Bytes Printed 92,145,448,330

>> Total GDI Pages Printed 259,810

>> Average Bytes/Job 2,083,795

>> Average Pages/Job 5

>> Average Bytes/Page 354,664

>> Browse List Requested 0

>> Browse Printer Added 0

>> Queues with Jobs 34

>>

>> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 10:15:33

>> Server Up Time 4 Days 10:16:54

>>

>>

>> Number Remote Printers 271 on

>> Windows Version 6.0 Build 6001 (Service Pack 1) FREE

>> Number of Processors 8 PROCESSOR_AMD64 Level 6

>> Total Jobs Spooled 31,138

>> Total Bytes Printed 62,031,047,540

>> Total GDI Pages Printed 180,862

>> Average Bytes/Job 1,992,133

>> Average Pages/Job 5

>> Average Bytes/Page 342,974

>> Browse List Requested 0

>> Browse Printer Added 0

>> Queues with Jobs 19

>> Spooler Up Time 4 Days 09:16:48

>> Server Up Time 4 Days 09:18:08

>> --

>> Alan Morris

>> Windows Printing Team

>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

>>

>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> rights.

>>

>> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:FCFEB314-BEFA-4AB8-B1A1-239405D11C9D@microsoft.com...

>> > We have approximately 650 XP Clients, 160 printers (mostly HP), not

>> > sure

>> > on

>> > the job count (I'll try to find out) but I'm sure it up there. As for

>> > the

>> > hardware, we will be decommissioning an old server which is an HP

>> > DL360G3

>> > 2.4Ghz 2GB RAM, and installing 2k8 with Hyper-V as a test. I know that

>> > this

>> > is not optimal to run 2k8 and Hyper-V, but I will check the

>> > requirements

>> > first and throw more hardware at it to bring it up to par. We will then

>> > implement print services for the IT department in a virtual environment

>> > and

>> > see how it goes. I really do not know what to expect sine it is all new

>> > territory to me. First dive into 2k8, Hyper-V as well as print

>> > services.

>> > At

>> > this point I'm just keeping my fingers crossed.

>> >

>> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

>> >

>> >> how many clients?

>> >>

>> >> client OS (XP, Vista, Win2k)?

>> >>

>> >> How many printers in the total organization?

>> >>

>> >> How many print jobs per day?

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> What type of hardware are you using for the 2008 server. 32bit 64bit,

>> >> RAM?

>> >>

>> >> I normally use a separate partition for the spool drive. Unless you

>> >> are

>> >> keeping printed jobs, you do not need a lot of space.

>> >>

>> >> the print server does not retain the data by default, the data goes to

>> >> the

>> >> printer.

>> >>

>> >> the number of queues you can add to the server will mainly be

>> >> influenced

>> >> by

>> >> the number and type of clients and the complexity of the average print

>> >> job

>> >> to the server.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are additional resources

>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/print/default.mspx

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Alan Morris

>> >> Windows Printing Team

>> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:

>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

>> >>

>> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> >> rights.

>> >>

>> >> "LilDeb" <LilDeb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:38718662-0A84-470E-A8B3-9A1D19D9DBC9@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Hi There,

>> >> >

>> >> > I hope I am posting this to the right board....

>> >> >

>> >> > We are slowly starting to introduce Server 2008 into our

>> >> > environment.

>> >> > One

>> >> > of

>> >> > the projects I have been assigned, is to decommission our Print

>> >> > Serve

>> >> > Appliances, and migrate them over to the 2008 environment. I have

>> >> > done

>> >> > some

>> >> > reading on this and know that I can assign the print server role,

>> >> > manually

>> >> > add the printers or have them automatically discovered, create the

>> >> > shares,

>> >> > update the drivers, etc...

>> >> >

>> >> > My question is this: How many printers can one server manage? We are

>> >> > not a

>> >> > large environment, and have approximately 160 servers. Currently we

>> >> > have 4

>> >> > print serve devices that are divided based on floor. I am wondering

>> >> > if

>> >> > I

>> >> > can

>> >> > consolidate to 1 or 2 servers (that would be dedicated to printing),

>> >> > but

>> >> > have

>> >> > come across no documentation that addresses this. Concerns are

>> >> > spooling,

>> >> > print queues, hardware requirements (mainly disk space), and

>> >> > anything

>> >> > else

>> >> > that I am not thinking about at the moment.

>> >> >

>> >> > Again, I apologize if this is the wrong board and I appreciate any

>> >> > help

>> >> > that

>> >> > can be provided.

>> >> >

>> >> > Debbie

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>>

>>

>>