Laptop External Monitor ... can't quite get it

[Guest Harry Truman]

Posting this for a friend so I hope I am giving you ample information

to help solve the problem. He is attempting to install an 'external

monitor.'

 

He has a Gateway MX3210 Laptop running XP (Home Edition V. 2002,

Service Pack 2). The external 'monitor' he wants to use is a Sony Kdl

26M4000 (I guess it is really a TV monitor.)

 

He has a cable connected, and in a menu shown on the Sony's screen, he

selects " PC-PIP. In Device Manager, the default monitor is listed as

VIA/536 Unichrome Pro IGP (I believe this to be his laptop's monitor).

The monitor listed for Plug & Play is the same VIA/536 ...

 

When we restart the laptop, when the first Windows logo screen comes

up, THAT shows on the 'external monitor.' But when the laptop fully

boots, he gets 'No Signal' on the external 'monitor.'

 

What goes, and what do we need to do to get this puppy going? Happy

to provide any further info you need to help my friend (but can't be

back before next Thursday -- limited library computer time).

 

Christopher

[Guest Paul]

Re: Laptop External Monitor ... can't quite get it

 

Harry Truman wrote:

> Posting this for a friend so I hope I am giving you ample information

> to help solve the problem. He is attempting to install an 'external

> monitor.'

>

> He has a Gateway MX3210 Laptop running XP (Home Edition V. 2002,

> Service Pack 2). The external 'monitor' he wants to use is a Sony Kdl

> 26M4000 (I guess it is really a TV monitor.)

>

> He has a cable connected, and in a menu shown on the Sony's screen, he

> selects " PC-PIP. In Device Manager, the default monitor is listed as

> VIA/536 Unichrome Pro IGP (I believe this to be his laptop's monitor).

> The monitor listed for Plug & Play is the same VIA/536 ...

>

> When we restart the laptop, when the first Windows logo screen comes

> up, THAT shows on the 'external monitor.' But when the laptop fully

> boots, he gets 'No Signal' on the external 'monitor.'

>

> What goes, and what do we need to do to get this puppy going? Happy

> to provide any further info you need to help my friend (but can't be

> back before next Thursday -- limited library computer time).

>

> Christopher

>

 

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL26M4000.pdf

 

Gateway's description of what to do is here. They claim it

does simultaneous output to laptop and external monitor, so

the VGA should not need the pressing of F4.

 

MX3210 user guide

"Viewing the display on a projector or monitor" PDF page 55

 

http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/MagicLC/8511264.pdf

 

The LCD TV supports a VGA mode close to native resolution

(1360x768), and the reason the VGA spec is not 1366x768

(the actual number of pixels on the screen), is GPUs tend

to have multiples of 8 pixels horizontally (and 2 lines

vertically). The 8 pixels horizontally pays homage to

the very earliest displays, where a character generator

was used to put text on the screen. There are some devices

now that break with the tradition, allowing pixel-exact

resolution selection, but the LCD TV designers are right

not to depend on that. When the computer sends 1360x768,

the TV has the choice of resampling to put the picture on

the screen (and some TVs are that stupid, and try to

do that). The alternative, is to use a black border for

the 6 uncontrolled pixels. If the resampling method is used,

sometimes a Moire pattern is observed.

 

Now, the bad news, is it is going to be difficult to get

even 1360x768 from a laptop GPU. The hardware is willing,

but typically the Windows drivers are weak. The Powerstrip

program from Entechtaiwan, can be used with desktop ATI and

Nvidia video cards, to obtain resolutions like that. But the

FAQ page on the Entechtaiwan.com site, says it is too

hard for them to support laptop GPUs. Only the VIA

driver writers can easily offer you that setting.

 

The MX3210 video driver from the Gateway site, is D001-004-008.exe,

and it unzips to C:\cabs. From an INF file in the resulting

folder, it says this for the graphics.

 

VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP

 

I found a posting that says the MX3210 uses VN800 chipset.

I wasn't able to find any notes about supported resolutions.

If I look for Linux drivers for VN800 on viaarena.com, this

is the set of resolutions supported in Linux. I wish

Windows offered these options... They've even mentioned

the three possible options for a 1366x768 LCD TV.

 

640x480 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

720x480 8, 16, 24 60

720x576 8, 16, 24 60

800x480 8, 16, 24 60

800x600 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

848x480 8, 16, 24 60

856x480 8, 16, 24 60

960x600 8, 16, 24 60

1024x512 8, 16, 24 60

1000x600 8, 16, 24 60

1024x768 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

1088x612 8, 16, 24 60

1152x720 8, 16, 24 60

1152x864 8, 16, 24 85

1200x720 8, 16, 24 60

1280x600 8, 16, 24 60

*1280x720 8, 16, 24 60

1280x768 8, 16, 24 60

1280x800 8, 16, 24 60

1280x960 8, 16, 24 60

1280x1024 8, 16, 24 60,75,85

1360x768 8, 16, 24 60

1366x768 8, 16, 24 60

1368x768 8, 16, 24 60

1400x1050 8, 16, 24 60

1440x900 8, 16, 24 60

1440x1050 8, 16, 24 60

1600x900 8, 16, 24 60

1600x1200 8, 16, 24 60

1600x1024 8, 16, 24 60

1792x1344 8, 16, 24 60

1856x1392 8, 16, 24 60

*1920x1080 8, 16, 24 60

*1920x1200 8, 16, 24 60

*1920x1440 8, 16, 24 60

2048x1536 8, 16, 24 60

 

So to start, try something like 800x600 at 60Hz, to get

the thing going. The Display control panel, if in dual

view mode, is unlikely to offer the correct resolution

option, and maybe something around 1280 by X will be

offered as the highest resolution.

 

Paul

[Guest Harry Truman]

Re: Laptop External Monitor ... can't quite get it

 

On Oct 28, 11:19 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:

> Harry Truman wrote:

> > Posting this for a friend so I hope I am giving you ample information

> > to help solve the problem. He is attempting to install an 'external

> >monitor.'

>

> > He has a Gateway MX3210 Laptop running XP (Home Edition V. 2002,

> > Service Pack 2). Theexternal'monitor' he wants to use is a Sony Kdl

> > 26M4000 (I guess it is really a TVmonitor.)

>

> > He has a cable connected, and in a menu shown on the Sony's screen, he

> > selects " PC-PIP. In Device Manager, the defaultmonitoris listed as

> > VIA/536 Unichrome Pro IGP (I believe this to be his laptop'smonitor).

> > Themonitorlisted for Plug & Play is the same VIA/536 ...

>

> > When we restart the laptop, when the first Windows logo screen comes

> > up, THAT shows on the 'externalmonitor.'  But when the laptop fully

> > boots, he gets 'No Signal' on theexternal'monitor.'

>

> > What goes, and what do we need to do to get this puppy going?  Happy

> > to provide any further info you need to help my friend (but can't be

> > back before next Thursday -- limited library computer time).

>

> > Christopher

>

> http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDL26M4000.pdf

>

> Gateway's description of what to do is here. They claim it

> does simultaneous output to laptop andexternalmonitor, so

> the VGA should not need the pressing of F4.

>

> MX3210 user guide

> "Viewing the display on a projector ormonitor"  PDF page 55

>

> http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/MagicLC/8511264.pdf

>

> The LCD TV supports a VGA mode close to native resolution

> (1360x768), and the reason the VGA spec is not 1366x768

> (the actual number of pixels on the screen), is GPUs tend

> to have multiples of 8 pixels horizontally (and 2 lines

> vertically). The 8 pixels horizontally pays homage to

> the very earliest displays, where a character generator

> was used to put text on the screen. There are some devices

> now that break with the tradition, allowing pixel-exact

> resolution selection, but the LCD TV designers are right

> not to depend on that. When the computer sends 1360x768,

> the TV has the choice of resampling to put the picture on

> the screen (and some TVs are that stupid, and try to

> do that). The alternative, is to use a black border for

> the 6 uncontrolled pixels. If the resampling method is used,

> sometimes a Moire pattern is observed.

>

> Now, the bad news, is it is going to be difficult to get

> even 1360x768 from a laptop GPU. The hardware is willing,

> but typically the Windows drivers are weak. The Powerstrip

> program from Entechtaiwan, can be used with desktop ATI and

> Nvidia video cards, to obtain resolutions like that. But the

> FAQ page on the Entechtaiwan.com site, says it is too

> hard for them to support laptop GPUs. Only the VIA

> driver writers can easily offer you that setting.

>

> The MX3210 video driver from the Gateway site, is D001-004-008.exe,

> and it unzips to C:\cabs. From an INF file in the resulting

> folder, it says this for the graphics.

>

> VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP

>

> I found a posting that says the MX3210 uses VN800 chipset.

> I wasn't able to find any notes about supported resolutions.

> If I look for Linux drivers for VN800 on viaarena.com, this

> is the set of resolutions supported in Linux. I wish

> Windows offered these options... They've even mentioned

> the three possible options for a 1366x768 LCD TV.

>

> 640x480 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

> 720x480 8, 16, 24 60

> 720x576 8, 16, 24 60

> 800x480 8, 16, 24 60

> 800x600 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

> 848x480 8, 16, 24 60

> 856x480 8, 16, 24 60

> 960x600 8, 16, 24 60

> 1024x512 8, 16, 24 60

> 1000x600 8, 16, 24 60

> 1024x768 8, 16, 24 60,75,85,100

> 1088x612 8, 16, 24 60

> 1152x720 8, 16, 24 60

> 1152x864 8, 16, 24 85

> 1200x720 8, 16, 24 60

> 1280x600 8, 16, 24 60

> *1280x720 8, 16, 24 60

> 1280x768 8, 16, 24 60

> 1280x800 8, 16, 24 60

> 1280x960 8, 16, 24 60

> 1280x1024 8, 16, 24 60,75,85

> 1360x768 8, 16, 24 60

> 1366x768 8, 16, 24 60

> 1368x768 8, 16, 24 60

> 1400x1050 8, 16, 24 60

> 1440x900 8, 16, 24 60

> 1440x1050 8, 16, 24 60

> 1600x900 8, 16, 24 60

> 1600x1200 8, 16, 24 60

> 1600x1024 8, 16, 24 60

> 1792x1344 8, 16, 24 60

> 1856x1392 8, 16, 24 60

> *1920x1080 8, 16, 24 60

> *1920x1200 8, 16, 24 60

> *1920x1440 8, 16, 24 60

> 2048x1536 8, 16, 24 60

>

> So to start, try something like 800x600 at 60Hz, to get

> the thing going. The Display control panel, if in dual

> view mode, is unlikely to offer the correct resolution

> option, and maybe something around 1280 by X will be

> offered as the highest resolution.

>

>     Paul- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Paul:

 

Thank you for the lengthy and detailed response !!!! Much

appreciated. (Unfortunately, my friend is leaving for Indiana at 2AM

this morning -- serious illness in the family back home -- but will

show him dthis infor when he gets back.

Again, thank ... you ... very ... MUCH, Sir.

 

Christopher