How we teach our children.

[petef]

Secondly, there must be some sort of national conformity in order for children to be able to transfer from state to state...........

...........So how do we reach a compromise and allow schools freedom yet enough similarities that education is transferable?

It all ties into having some national standards and tests for each grade level

for such basics as math, reading, spelling, writing, english grammar, etc..

 

Once you have those national standards you could compare our standards against

the standards of any other nation to see how we compare.

 

---pete---

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Good Evening and Welcome to Madison Square Garden

 

Stu Nahan reporting from the live event.

 

In the Red corner is help4me, a spirited contender who likes to be on the attack when needed.

 

In the Blue corner is Petef, a contender that gives as good as he takes.

 

The heavyweights are battling it out for the position of the "I'm Right" title.

 

It's a close call battle at the moment and the bookmakers are unsure with regard to each opponents form, well not in this arena anyway.

 

It's round 8 at the moment and it could go either way.

Stay tuned for the next rounds.

[help4me]

Secondly, there must be some sort of national conformity in order for children to be able to transfer from state to state...........

...........So how do we reach a compromise and allow schools freedom yet enough similarities that education is transferable?

It all ties into having some national standards and tests for each grade level

for such basics as math, reading, spelling, writing, english grammar, etc..

 

Once you have those national standards you could compare our standards against

the standards of any other nation to see how we compare.

 

---pete---

And we currently have national standards. Yet we still can not adequately compare nation to nation because of the laws governing who may and may not attend school in some countries. If all nations allowed all children to attend school regardless of test scores... then by all means we could compare nation to nation. However this is not the case, and such a comparison would be unfair and the results would not be valid results, because the rules are different nation to nation.

[help4me]

Good Evening and Welcome to Madison Square Garden

 

Stu Nahan reporting from the live event.

 

In the Red corner is help4me, a spirited contender who likes to be on the attack when needed.

 

In the Blue corner is Petef, a contender that gives as good as he takes.

 

The heavyweights are battling it out for the position of the "I'm Right" title.

 

It's a close call battle at the moment and the bookmakers are unsure with regard to each opponents form, well not in this arena anyway.

 

It's round 8 at the moment and it could go either way.

Stay tuned for the next rounds.

LMAO!!!! :D :D :D

[Seth]

Seth quietly backs away from the thread :)

[Guest Wolfeymole]

You started it, now have some, cough cough spit mumble, bollocks.

[Seth]

You started it' date=' now have some, cough cough spit mumble, bollocks.[/quote']

All I wanted was the crummy t-shirt!

 

 

Will someone PLEASE think of the children? lol

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Extreme Tech Support - Free PC Help T Shirts, now that's a good idea Seth.

 

Can we have suggestions for the slogan on the front?

 

Can we have the slogan that dubious ice cream sellers, who are actually peddling contraceptives have;

 

"Buy me and stop one"

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Welcome back to Madison Square Garden folks.

 

The prelude to round 9

 

Seth is flapping a towel at Bonnie who is only mildly perspiring after 8 rounds.

 

Pete's second is Jeb Wrench who is flapping the towel at himself for some strange reason.

 

Al Silvani is on hand at all times so be not afraid.

 

More on this thrilling bout later

 

SECONDS OUT!

[AdvancedSetup]

Will everyone please go back to their Great Grandparent's time or before and take a breather and be thankful for what we have.

 

Wake up at 04:00 , eat breakfast, work till noon, eat quick lunch, work till dark, eat dinner, sit around the wood stove and tell stories and relax for a couple hours, then go to bed and start all over again. 7 days a week, not 5

 

Then see how much time you have to complain about any of this stuff.

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Wolfeymole recalls a tin bath in front of a coal burning fire, but the fire needed to be started first at the crack of dawn.

Need a dump? Then locate the key at the cellar head and go outside to a brick building at the end of the street.

The word was "The good old days", my dad said "The good old days my arse".

[JEBWrench]

Pete's second is Jeb Wrench who is flapping the towel at himself for some strange reason.

They call that "Rigging the fight." :D

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Wolfey procures sand, cement and water, inlays Seth as a punchbag seeing as he tried to wriggle out of this scenario, and allows the entire forum to takes pot shots.

 

Joking apart guys carry on with this most illuminating debate.

[help4me]

Seth... get back here you (grabs Seth by the ear and pulls him back to the discussion :P)

 

Advanced.... how I wish we could go back in time when kids understood the value of things and parents were allowed to have some control over things. But because times are different, we must first learn to work within a flawed system before we can change it. Got any ideas?

 

JEB.... rigging a fight... whatever. You just don't want to sleep on the couch ;)

 

Wolfman.... carry on my good man... carry on :D

 

Pete... I enjoy discussing things with you. Can't wait to read your next post :)

[petef]

Will everyone please go back to their Great Grandparent's time or before and take a breather and be thankful for what we have.

Hhahahaa, I'm amused at all the comments about some kind of fight because I don't

see it like that at all. I thought we were having a friendly conversation with some

contraversial topics. No fight. I never once attacked anyone and no one ever

attcked me. See this is the difference between actng professional discussing

and debating an issue versus acting bad, flaming and arguing and attacking the

character of the other person.

 

Anyway, I usually steer clear of political and religious topics on tech forums

because it's a sure way to create hard feelings between the members.

I'm really here for the tech stuff.

 

---pete---

[petef]

And we currently have national standards. Yet we still can not adequately compare nation to nation because of the laws governing who may and may not attend school in some countries. If all nations allowed all children to attend school regardless of test scores... then by all means we could compare nation to nation.

I think you are right that we can't compare based upon national standards. In

my mind, I was thinking more of each nation having a set of standards when

I said that. But actualy, I hate the thought of some group making a global

standard but that's what would be required.

 

About national standards in the USA, I was not aware of any standard other than

the SATs that high school kids take for evaluating their skills before entering college.

If we already have national standards, where can we go to see the results?

 

In any case, it would be very interesting to have a series of computer generated

tests that followed a certain set of rules for difficulty for various grade levels

and generated a unique test for each individual, so that people could not cheat

by having answers for the test. I'd like to see how Americans compared to other

countires in areas like math or science where language is not a factor.

 

 

---pete---

[petef]

Pete... I enjoy discussing things with you. Can't wait to read your next post :)

Same here Bonnie. :)

 

I used to enjoy debating political topics via Email with my friend Dan, a guy I used to work

with many years ago. We'd refer to it as mental jousting as we'd challenge each other

on facts and opinions and each would comeback after doing more research online and

we'd present our facts to each other and continue the debate. We'd stick to the facts

and not make personal attacks unless we were kidding each other.

 

Unfortunately, Dan passed away a couple of years ago and I'm so pissed at him for

dieing because we had lots more to debate and folllow up on. We both made various

predictions of future events based upon the facts and knowledge gained through our

debates and when one of our predictions comes relevant I want to talk to him about it.

 

See, we'd always press each other to make predictions because if one came true,

we'd have our archive of Email debates to look back on to determine what facts

a particular prediction was based upon and it would validate the facts. It was our

way of finding the truth over the long term and determining who's theories were

correct. I'm more about finding the truth and not so much about winning an argument.

I gather facts, and gain knowledge by participating in debates, make predictions and I

archive as much as possible as a means of finding the truth at sometime in the future.

 

In memory of my friend Dan Napolitan, let the debates continue!

Just remember not to make personal attacks and stick to

debating the the facts. :)

 

---pete---

[help4me]

And we currently have national standards. Yet we still can not adequately compare nation to nation because of the laws governing who may and may not attend school in some countries. If all nations allowed all children to attend school regardless of test scores... then by all means we could compare nation to nation.

I think you are right that we can't compare based upon national standards. In

my mind, I was thinking more of each nation having a set of standards when

I said that. But actualy, I hate the thought of some group making a global

standard but that's what would be required.

 

About national standards in the USA, I was not aware of any standard other than

the SATs that high school kids take for evaluating their skills before entering college.

If we already have national standards, where can we go to see the results?

 

In any case, it would be very interesting to have a series of computer generated

tests that followed a certain set of rules for difficulty for various grade levels

and generated a unique test for each individual, so that people could not cheat

by having answers for the test. I'd like to see how Americans compared to other

countires in areas like math or science where language is not a factor.

 

 

---pete---

The national testing I refer to for elementary age kids used to be called Iowa Basics. Now I think they use MAP testing. I'll research that and get back to you and also try and find where the public can take a look at national test scores. For the higher level you are correct in SAT's and ACT's. I myself only took the ACT test. Didn't do great (only a 26. I think 33 is perfect) but my score was high enough to win me a full scholarship to the state college of my choice.

 

As for global standards... I agree. Bad idea. But how do we make it possible to compare nation to nation when the rules are different? Part of why America is screaming that our schools are inadequate are because the government compares us to nations with high test scores. But their test scores are high in part because only certain kids are allowed to go to school.

 

More later... I am off to apply for a new job. Wish me luck ;) I need this job desperately.

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Will everyone please go back to their Great Grandparent's time or before and take a breather and be thankful for what we have.

Hhahahaa, I'm amused at all the comments about some kind of fight because I don't

see it like that at all. I thought we were having a friendly conversation with some

contraversial topics. No fight. I never once attacked anyone and no one ever

attcked me. See this is the difference between actng professional discussing

and debating an issue versus acting bad, flaming and arguing and attacking the

character of the other person.

 

Anyway, I usually steer clear of political and religious topics on tech forums

because it's a sure way to create hard feelings between the members.

I'm really here for the tech stuff.

 

---pete---

The madison square garden script was an attempt at humour Pete.

I did not suggest you or Bonnie were attacking anyone, it was mere debate with humour thrown in.

This entire thread is neither Political or Religious.

Please contribute as often as you can to the Tech element of this forum, once at least would be sufficient. (It's a joke Pete ok)

[help4me]

I find the Madison Square Garden commentary quite humorous. :D

[JEBWrench]

I find the Madison Square Garden commentary quite humoUrous. :D

As did I; though I'm still not sure why I'm Pete's second. :P

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Well let us view the participants in this scenario.

 

Seth aka Don King is Promoter

 

Advanced is a member of the audience.

 

Wolfey is MC

 

Bonnie is ranked No1 in the world and but due to the MC's myopic disadvantage Pete is actually an old lady in the second row consumed with knitting and not the opponent.

 

All bouts are off, unfortunately.

[petef]

The madison square garden script was an attempt at humour Pete.

Yeah, I got that and that's why I said I was amused, but at the same time

those comments reimded me of my school days when 2 classmates might

have a minor dispute between them and suddenly a few kids gather around

and start taunting them to fight. Remember those days? Hhehehe.

 

---pete---

[Guest Wolfeymole]

To understand English humour Pete you only have to look at Monty Python which to all intents and purposes appears to be wildly slapstick but in actuality is subtlety in it's highest form.

The Establishment at the time Python was showing were outraged by their antics.

[JEBWrench]

The Establishment at the time Python was showing were outraged by their antics.

That's just because Monty Python's version of Parliament had WAY better Ministries.