CPU fan speeds up then youtube clip stops working

[mij]

Hi Nev and thanks for coming back on this one. I've had a look at the external drive and it says W7 image. I did think that I was cloning the system but perhaps I only did an image? It was in May/June of this year. My lad reckoned he fitted a new HDD to it not long before he gave it to me about 10years ago! Doesn't time fly!

The file on the external HDD takes up 56GB of disk space ....just over.

Yes there are a couple of options to make use of the old/new HDD of which the easiest would be to use it outside in a caddy. On the other hand I suppose I could fit it inside as an additional storage - not that I'd ever use it though........Perhaps I might find a PC which is being thrown for the lack of a HDD.

 

Errr what did I get? It was difficult to make up my mind and having only good experiences with Amazon I went there. Got a QUAD CORE AMD BULLDOZER FX-4100 4.0GHZ 1TB HDD 8GB DDR3 RAM USB 3.0 HDMI, VG... and it came 6days early....wonderful....

 

I will now see if I can transfer some of my data..... or is too late? Perhaps in the morning.

jim

[Armageddon]

Good luck with it Jim I found the pc on Amazon myself and I rekon ya got a bargain there also both my towers are AMD bulldozers and I never had a prob

[mij]

Good luck with it Jim I found the pc on Amazon myself and I rekon ya got a bargain there also both my towers are AMD bulldozers and I never had a prob

Thanks Armageddon, so far so good. All is tickety boo.

 

I do get a warning window about .net framework version 2. According to what google found W7 comes with a later version of.net than that so why the warning? It's taking for ever to download as well.

jim

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

Do I assume correctly that the CPU is fried?

CPUs rarely give problems.

 

Nothing works. Nothing at all. What is more the fan is working overtime. So I put the 512Kb sticks back in and the same thing happened - no power-up and fan going fast.

 

The link I gave you earlier describes in detail how to do the following - but from what you say you can't access the link.

So.........

 

Switch off at the wall.

Take the side panel off and touch the bare metal chassis ( do this often ) to discharge any static.

 

Remove any external hardware - printer etc.

Take the removable hardware off the motherboard. ( RAM / Video card etc ........NOT the CPU )

Take the hard drive and DVD ROM power connections off

Disconnect at the m/board the data cables to the hard drive and DVD drive

 

In other words all that you should have left is the 20(4) way power connection from the PSU to the motherboard.

 

Switch on.

 

If you have an on-board speaker you should get beeps.

The fans should be running

The system should be stable - i.e. fans at constant speed - not getting faster

 

Switch off.

 

If the system is stable at this point put the video card ( if you have one ) back in and connect up the monitor.

Switch on again.

 

At this point you should get something on screen.

If you do - put the hardware and connections back ONE AT A TIME - and test after each one.

 

If you are getting POST beeps this is good - they may change as you add the hardware back.

 

RAM - add this one module at a time.

 

Let us know how you get on.

[mij]

Hello KenB, I had assumed that the old computer was fried, you don't seem to think so? I wasn't getting any beeps from it at all previously hence my assuming what I did. However from the learning point of view it would be educational to say the least to sort of go through the motions and see if it is worth resurrecting. Should one of these continue in another thread?

jim

[mij]

KenB, I have removed all cards from the board - it doesn't seem to have an on-board speaker as there are no beeps audible. I put the speaker cable in (on board sound?) and nothing from that either. Just the fans going around at normal speed.

If you move this elsewhere tell me here as I come straight to this page.

jim

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

We will leave the thread here - it is easier all round :)

 

......... the old computer was fried, you don't seem to think so?

Not necessarily - but if you have gone through the process above and are getting nothing on screen it is either the PSU or the motherboard that is at fault.

Assuming that the CPU has been re-seated properly with the thermal paste applied.

 

There is one more thing you could try :

Remove all cards etc again.

Take the mounting screws out that are holding the m/board in place and lift the m/board enough so that you can get a piece of card / newspaper underneath.

This will ensure that it is insulated from the case.

 

Connect the monitor ( nothing else )

Switch on.

If you get something on screen now there was a short between the m/board and the case.

You need to find where this is.

Could be a small screw rolled underneath or build up of dust.

 

Ken

[mij]

It was the fact that I had screwed the four retaining screws fully home that led me to believe that either the mother board was cracked or I had bent the CPU pins. Either spells "the end" for that computer but I will try your suggestion. I could also try unscrewing the CPU and inspecting that area for damage to the board and CPU.

jim

[KenB]

mother board was cracked or I had bent the CPU pins

A visual inspection will let you know the answer to this one Jim.

 

Let us know how you get on with the other suggestions.

[mij]

A visual inspection will let you know the answer to this one Jim.

 

I have now removed all including the mother board. A visual inspection with a magnifying glass confirms my suspicions that it is the CPU 'socket' which has the bent pins. I have taken a photo of it. That means at least the motherboard is a gonner - will that mean that the CPU is also? I realize that mis-connections (as in bent pins) means the end to lots of software bits. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1115.vB5-legacyid=2070[/ATTACH] I hope I can attach the photo of the CPU socket on the motherboard.

 

A BTW is how do I get the up-to-date data from my old HDD (new last April) to this computer? I have it hanging out of the side and can see it in 'my computer' on this new machine (that turned up 6 days early - thanks to computer peeps). I find it difficult to recognize much of what I see.

jim

Edited November 3, 2013 by mij

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

magnifying glass confirms my suspicions that it is the CPU 'socket' which has the bent pins.

Not good.

....gonner - will that mean that the CPU is also?

Not necessarily.

However the only way to find out is to put it in a motherboard.

 

how do I get the up-to-date data from my old HDD (new last April) to this computer?

You should be able to locate photos / saved files etc to transfer them across.

 

You will not be able to transfer installed software ( programs ) across.

 

It is possible to put the old hard drive in an enclosure and turn it into an external hard drive.

Or are you hoping to reclaim the old machine and get it going again?

[Plastic Nev]

Hi Jim, just a small point about the old hard drive and rescuing data from it, if the computer had more than one user, and therefore you password protected your own stuff, you cannot see the password protected files, and the only way to use the password is with the operating system active and running. That will of course require getting the old computer working again as the operating system will certainly not boot on the new computer.

I just hope your stuff wasn't password protected.

 

Nev.

[mij]

Hello Nev & KenB.

Hmmm..........it is very tempting to get it going again other wise I have 4 x 1GB memory sticks and 4 512KB sticks here doing nothing. Are motherboards very expensive? Come to think of it I've not googled for that. Perhaps that is the next step.

 

 

 

I only use a password after I switch on. It is the same in both computers. I do not use one for any other files or data. I have looked on the other HDD for its 'desk top' which is where I parked all & sundry. I cannot find 'desk top' or my computerized personal organizer or anything that I recognize.

BTW I presume that the old HDD wont boot up because it is 32bit and this is 64bit?

 

Jim

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

The old Operating System will be tied to the original motherboard.

I think you said it was a Win7 OS ....... if this is the case if you use the old hard drive and a new motherboard it may still boot up .....but it probably will not be perfect.

[ XP would have no chance :) ]

 

If you replace the m/board with the exact same one then the odds are very much in your favour.

 

Are motherboards very expensive?

It depends which one you have and what you want to replace it with.

You can get them for about £30 - but you would need to get one that is compatible with your CPU.

The CPU has what is called a "socket" - the arrangement of the pins.

These are different on different CPUs.

 

If the original OS was Win7 we have a thread here that I put links on to download an ISO version of Win7 ( legally )

 

Regarding your CPU;

you could ask a friendly local tech ( who works for himself ) to test it out for you.

Ask how much he will charge.

This should be relatively cheap and may save you the cost of a m/board if the CPU is damaged.

[mij]

Thanks for that input KenB.

The older computer was W7 and I have that disk here now. The new computer is also W7. I bought that disk when I bought the computer. The difference is the old computer is 32bit but the new one is 64bit. I suppose the test would be to power down and unplug the new HDD. Then see if it boots up on the old disk?

jim

[Plastic Nev]

Got to be worth a try Jim, it is unlikely to cause damage, just that Windows just may not boot if there are vast differences on the new computer.

 

Otherwise, connect the old hard drive as external and if possible show us a screen shot of what is on the drive, I suspect all we may see will be operating system files though, and one big locked file under your name as a perhaps.

 

I have been down this road when a Friend had a problem, all his sons stuff on his user name wasn't password protected and we could see it all, my friends stuff actually said it was an empty folder because that was password protected.

 

If you hadn't set a password for the whole system, we would have stood a chance, otherwise no, as there is no way to input the password to unlock your stuff without the operating system running.

Not too sure if any of the file recovery and rescue software would work, though Ken may know.

 

Just on the off chance the old drive does boot up, and you can use the password, once in, remove the requirement for the password, then once back as external you should be able to see all your stuff.

 

Nev.

[mij]

It didn't work. I was unable to get a screen dump as it didn't load up at all. It said:-

 

Your computer was unable to start, start-up repair is checking your system for problems.

 

Start-up repair cannot repair this computer automatically.

Send information about this problem

Problem Event Name Start repair offline

" Signature 01 6.1.7600.16385

" " 02 " " "

" " 03 unknown

" " 04 236

" " 05 auto failover

" " 06 1

" " 07 no root cause

O.S. version 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1

Locale ID: 1033

(privacy statements etc.

So after a couple of attempts I gave it up and reconnected the new HDD.

The motherboards look cheap enough from overseas but I'd prefer to deal in this country. The cheapest I see is £44.95

jim

PS It's a P5BW-LA motherboard with a 775 socket.

Edited November 3, 2013 by mij

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

With the old hard drive connected to the new computer it may be worth checking this drive for errors.

 

Download Seatools for Windows from here: ( click on the Downloads tab )

click here

 

Install it on your working system.

 

Connect up the old hard drive and make a note of the drive letter from "Computer".

There is a tutorial if you wish to read a little before running it:

click here

 

You want "Seatools for Windows" ignore the DOS option ( this refers to running it from a CD - which we do not wish to do )

 

Run a check on the disk.

Any "fails" and the disk is not worth continuing with.

 

This checks the hard disk itself - not the Windows installation.

 

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EDIT;

 

Is the m/board you found this one?

click here

 

It looks like there may be a CPU with it.

It would be worth asking as it says

"Motherboard only supplied as shown in picture"

[mij]

Hi Jim

Download Seatools for Windows from here: ( click on the Downloads tab )

Install it on your working system.

Ok done that.

Connect up the old hard drive and make a note of the drive letter from "Computer".

There is a tutorial if you wish to read a little before running it:

I ran that fine and the disk is as bought, no probs.

You want "Seatools for Windows" ignore the DOS option ( this refers to running it from a CD - which we do not wish to do )

Yep all ok there.

Run a check on the disk.

EDIT;

 

Is the m/board you found this one?

click here

Yes that looks like the one as I remember the location.

It looks like there may be a CPU with it.

It would be worth asking as it says

"Motherboard only supplied as shown in picture"

I had not noticed that, yes worth checking.

I have tried to 'copy' a file from the previous computer HDD and 'paste'd it to a new folder on this one and that works fine. It is just a matter of locating the files I recognize I think.

jim

[KenB]

Hi Jim

 

try this:

Connect up the old drive to the working system

Click Computer > right click on the drive letter for the old drive > Search

In the search box type .jpg ........ ( dot jpg ) if you are looking for photos.

 

.doc .... ( dot doc ) will locate Word Documents.

 

.odt ..... ( dot odt ) will locate Open Office documents.

 

Does this get you anywhere ?

[mij]

Hi Jim

try this:

Connect up the old drive to the working system

Click Computer > right click on the drive letter for the old drive > Search

In the search box type .jpg ........ ( dot jpg ) if you are looking for photos.

.doc .... ( dot doc ) will locate Word Documents.

.odt ..... ( dot odt ) will locate Open Office documents.

Does this get you anywhere ?

YEEEEES! At last! That crosses the 32bit 64bit divide as well. That was with the .jpgs so I'll go for the .odts next as that is the one I'm after.

After this little exercise I'll just update that in the external HDD or on the USB stick.

Very many thanks for that, I'll feed back on how I get on with the .ODTs.

jim

[mij]

Yay, it works for all files and folders. I am especially pleased about the odt calc one as I stood to reconcile my bank account with it whIch the copy was well out of date. Last April I believe. Obviously the difference in computers didn't matter even if I used the same password on both machines.

Thanks again - I am over the moon!

jim.

[KenB]

That is good to hear Jim :)

 

Is there anything else on that drive that you need access to ?

 

Where are we up to now ?

What do you want to do next ?

[mij]

That is good to hear Jim :)

 

Is there anything else on that drive that you need access to ?

 

Where are we up to now ?

What do you want to do next ?

 

Hmmm I'm ok with transferring stuff to my new computer now, thanks to you Nev.

I'll get back to you when I decide what to do with the other one. I'd like to rebuild it but .................. is it worth it? Perhaps I should just sling it but keep those bits which are still functioning.

jim

[KenB]

What you could do:

 

Take off the hardware as spares.

Put the old hard drive in an external enclosure. ( making sure that you have everything off it that you need )

Format it.

Partition it.

Use one of the partitions to save an image of the system that is working.

You will be able to use this to re-image a drive if the new one dies at any point.

 

Or

Format the old drive.

Take the new hard drive out and put in the old one ( formatted )

Install Windows 7 onto this.

Create a partition to backup data to.

Put this in an enclosure.

 

Then if you have any problems with the new drive - pop the "old" drive back in and you are up and running again.