georgeriley139 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 will some one please explain the difference in easy terms ? Quote
seedy21 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 PCI-E has less I/O pins count PCI-E has a faster Data Transfer Speed compared to the older PCI PCI-E has a Smaller footprint If your looking at a new Motherboard I would be looking at a PCI-E slot ! Quote “It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.”― Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club http://www.geekstogo.com/downloads/unite_blue.png Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members.Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs.
KenB Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Hi George I think your post is related to the thread that you have running re: video cards Take a look at this image below: [ATTACH=CONFIG]2334[/ATTACH] The white slots are PCI. The blue slot is PCIe What is the difference? Apart from the obvious - PCI being shorter - the slots are not similar and the cards that fit them are not interchangeable. PCI is used for some older video cards and is still used for things like Network Adapters and Sound Cards. PCIe = PCI express is primarily used for video cards. PCIe replaced VGA as the connection to use for video cards. PCIe is very much faster that PCI and if you had a PCI video card some software just would not run properly. If you need any more information just ask :) Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Posted October 27, 2014 Im not looking for a new motherboard well not yet anyway but thanks for the info.Yes Ken you are correct it is in relation to my previous post im a little confused now because my machine has the white slots Quote
KenB Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 im a little confused now because my machine has the white slots I am confused too George. You say in the other thread that the card with the short backplate "doesn't fit " Nev researched that card and suggested it was PCI ............should fit the white slots. I found two sites with specs for your specific machine and both specs suggest that you have a PCIe x 16 slot too. I don't know where to go from here as I am totally confused. A photo of the motherboard will give us the info we need - any chance of posting this ? Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 27, 2014 Author Posted October 27, 2014 yes i will do it tomorrow Quote
Plastic Nev Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Also a photo of the card flat down so we can see where the notch is please George.. Quote Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here. If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have installed Windows, now how do I install the curtains? 😄
georgeriley139 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 Hope these are ok[ATTACH=CONFIG]2339[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]2340[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]2341[/ATTACH] Quote
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Hi George That is a PCIe x 16 Video Card. The white slots you show are PCI ( not PCIe ) There is another slot(s) in the top right of the photo .......... do you know what this is ? Black slot? ...showing in one photo ........covered by cables in the second. According to the specs for your machine there is one PCIe x 16 slot on your motherboard. [ see Expansion Slots ] click here Is this your machine ? Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 the other white one ken is the section where graphics card sits the whole unit comes away see next pics[ATTACH=CONFIG]2342[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]2343[/ATTACH] Quote
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Hi George What you have in your hand looks like a "Riser Card " 2 full-height PCI available via optional riser card, This quote is from the specs I posted in my last post. What is the black "slot" underneath the cables in your other photo ? Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Hi George What you have in your hand looks like a "Riser Card " 2 full-height PCI available via optional riser card, This quote is from the specs I posted in my last post. What is the black "slot" underneath the cables in your other photo ? Can you see a ref number on the motherboard itself - it will be in larger letters / numbers Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 ken the only numbers i can see are404304-001 0r ctla45coabcun465 the black slots are in photo[ATTACH=CONFIG]2344[/ATTACH] Quote
Plastic Nev Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 That is strange, the original model number you quoted is for a PCI card, yet that one is as Ken said definitely PCIe, and being low profile now we can see the PCI extension unit removed, it should fit that black slot George. Nev. Quote Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here. If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have installed Windows, now how do I install the curtains? 😄
georgeriley139 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 Hi Nev it might fit but if you look at my next photo the grilled part below the silver backing plates is where the rear of the card would need to come out of[ATTACH=CONFIG]2345[/ATTACH] Quote
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 That's the strangest thing George ?? You have 2 PCI and a PCIe slot that you cannot use. The removable section that you have hold of is an "optional extra" - so the original design was for the 3 slots that, from your photos, cannot be used. Does the plate with the square grill holes come off ? Mind you - it doesn't look as if it should. I will see if I can find a manual. Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Posted October 28, 2014 no ken it wont come off..and thanks Quote
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 the only numbers i can see are404304-001 Found this - click here This doesn't appear to be your case - or is it ? Also found this - click here This guy is using the PCIe x16 slot Edit; looking at this again ....this looks like a vertical case not the SFF case that you have. Yours does not appear to have the knock-out strips. Also found this - click here A PCIe Riser ........although I cannot believe that to use and card in that machine you have to buy an adapter. Still looking for a manual. Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
KenB Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 For some reason the network I am on ( not at home ) will not let me download anything from this site ?? The manuals for your PC are here - click here I wanted to find out about fitting a video card. Is it necessary to purchase an additional piece of kit - i.e. a riser ? Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
Plastic Nev Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Hi George and Ken, I downloaded and had a look at this manual from this link http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.BINARYPORTLET/public/kb/docDisplay/resource.process/?spf_p.tpst=kbDocDisplay_ws_BI&spf_p.rid_kbDocDisplay=docDisplayResURL&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&spf_p.rst_kbDocDisplay=wsrp-resourceState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c00771559-3%257CdocLocale%253Den_US&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken It seems there are three variations of the same model, a convertible mini tower, a small form factor, and also an ultra slim desktop. if you can let us know which type you have we might stand a chance of knowing what needs to be done next to be able to use that PCIe black slot. Here are the three types in order, http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/14/68/69/96/untitl15.jpg http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/14/68/69/96/untitl16.jpg http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/14/68/69/96/untitl17.jpg Nev. Quote Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here. If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have installed Windows, now how do I install the curtains? 😄
georgeriley139 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Posted October 29, 2014 Hi Nev n Ken its the small form factor the middle one Quote
KenB Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Can somebody confirm my question re post #19 ? I still cannot get access to the manual :( Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
KenB Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Managed to download the manual - click here Pages 20 - 23 explain the installation of a PCIe card. Quote There is an email going around offering processed pork - gelatin - and salt in a can ......this is simply SPAM !! MiniToolBoxNetwork TestWireless Test
georgeriley139 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Posted October 29, 2014 Hi ken thats great pal thankyou...so am i right in thinking i can use either pci or pcie cards although not sure how to access the pci-e rear end Quote
Plastic Nev Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 It is actually from page 25 onwards however the optional PCI riser thing will have to be discarded as in this note :- "NOTE The PCI and PCI Express slots support only low profile cards unless an optional riser is installed. The optional riser supports two full height standard PCI slots. If the riser is installed, the PCI Express x16 expansion slot is inaccessible." However what puzzles me is from Georges photo's, the removable plates don't seem to line up with the PCIe slot as it shows in the drawings, unless we are looking at it from an odd angle. Quote Need help with your computer problems? Then why not join Free PC Help. Register here. If Free PC Help has helped you then please consider a donation. Click here We are all members helping other members. Please return here where you may be able to help someone else. After all, no one knows everything and you may have the answer that someone needs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have installed Windows, now how do I install the curtains? 😄
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