newbie question

[Guest Fitz]

I am just learning about server 2003, and have a few questions that don't

seem to be addressed in books.

 

1. When do I need to have the server in a domain and not a workgroup.

I only need to network 5 computers and was told that using a workgroup is

much easier.

 

2. If I use a workgroup and not a domain or active directory, then do I need

to install DNS.

 

3. Why or when would I want or need to go more advance and use a domain, AD

and DNS?

 

Thanks, Fitz

[Guest Ryan Hanisco]

RE: newbie question

 

Fitz,

 

By number...

1. You should run a domain when you need to control all your servers and

workstations as a unit and not deal with machine to machine permissions.

This usually comes when you have more than one server/ workstation providing

services to the others. It is also a HUGE security improvement.

 

2. No, you will rely on broadcasts for naming and resource searches. This

is NOT a reliable technology and it will only work most of the time. It is

not something for a mission critical operation. Network broadcasts are heavy

on the network and cannot traverse subnets or routed boundaries.

 

3. You need this as soon as you need to rely on the network to do anything.

With a workgroup it is a nice to have convienence.

--

Ryan Hanisco

MCSE, MCTS: SQL 2005, Project+

Chicago, IL

 

Remember: Marking helpful answers helps everyone find the info they need

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"Fitz" wrote:

> I am just learning about server 2003, and have a few questions that don't

> seem to be addressed in books.

>

> 1. When do I need to have the server in a domain and not a workgroup.

> I only need to network 5 computers and was told that using a workgroup is

> much easier.

>

> 2. If I use a workgroup and not a domain or active directory, then do I need

> to install DNS.

>

> 3. Why or when would I want or need to go more advance and use a domain, AD

> and DNS?

>

> Thanks, Fitz

>

>

>

[Guest Theo Verweij]

Re: newbie question

 

The problem mentioned by 2 can be resolved by installing WINS on the

server, and register all machines on it.

 

Ryan Hanisco wrote:

> Fitz,

>

> By number...

> 1. You should run a domain when you need to control all your servers and

> workstations as a unit and not deal with machine to machine permissions.

> This usually comes when you have more than one server/ workstation providing

> services to the others. It is also a HUGE security improvement.

>

> 2. No, you will rely on broadcasts for naming and resource searches. This

> is NOT a reliable technology and it will only work most of the time. It is

> not something for a mission critical operation. Network broadcasts are heavy

> on the network and cannot traverse subnets or routed boundaries.

>

> 3. You need this as soon as you need to rely on the network to do anything.

> With a workgroup it is a nice to have convienence.

[Guest Ryan Hanisco]

Re: newbie question

 

Theo,

 

You are right, but at that point you might as well bring a DC live. I see

that more as an AND rather than an OR.

--

Ryan Hanisco

MCSE, MCTS: SQL 2005, Project+

Chicago, IL

 

Remember: Marking helpful answers helps everyone find the info they need

quickly.

 

 

"Theo Verweij" wrote:

> The problem mentioned by 2 can be resolved by installing WINS on the

> server, and register all machines on it.

>

> Ryan Hanisco wrote:

> > Fitz,

> >

> > By number...

> > 1. You should run a domain when you need to control all your servers and

> > workstations as a unit and not deal with machine to machine permissions.

> > This usually comes when you have more than one server/ workstation providing

> > services to the others. It is also a HUGE security improvement.

> >

> > 2. No, you will rely on broadcasts for naming and resource searches. This

> > is NOT a reliable technology and it will only work most of the time. It is

> > not something for a mission critical operation. Network broadcasts are heavy

> > on the network and cannot traverse subnets or routed boundaries.

> >

> > 3. You need this as soon as you need to rely on the network to do anything.

> > With a workgroup it is a nice to have convienence.

>

[Guest Herb Martin]

Re: newbie question

 

 

"Fitz" <fitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:eQZ4XidvHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I am just learning about server 2003, and have a few questions that don't

>seem to be addressed in books.

>

> 1. When do I need to have the server in a domain and not a workgroup.

> I only need to network 5 computers and was told that using a workgroup is

> much easier.

 

Not really (a workgroup easier) -- somewhere between a few and a dozen

you should almost certainly switch to a domain.

 

Domains are easier the more machines and users you have and not really

any harder for a small number.

 

Domains WOULD be expensive IF you didn't have a copy of Server OS

already -- it costs more than workstation/XP.

> 2. If I use a workgroup and not a domain or active directory, then do I

> need to install DNS.

 

Probably a good idea, but not technically required.

 

For a single subnet, broadcast resolution of NetBIOS names will actually

work.

 

> 3. Why or when would I want or need to go more advance and use a domain,

> AD and DNS?

 

See above.

 

 

--

Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP

http://www.LearnQuick.Com

(phone on web site)

[Guest Herb Martin]

Re: newbie question

 

 

"Theo Verweij" <tverweij@xs4all.nl> wrote in message

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> The problem mentioned by 2 can be resolved by installing WINS on the

> server, and register all machines on it.

 

I push people to use WINS a LOT, but there is no significant need for

a WINS server unless you have more than one Subnet.

 

WINS is a practical necessity for more than one subnet even if you have

DNS -- as long as you want all the features of Windows networking to

be available.

> Ryan Hanisco wrote:

>> Fitz,

>>

>> By number...

>> 1. You should run a domain when you need to control all your servers and

>> workstations as a unit and not deal with machine to machine permissions.

>> This usually comes when you have more than one server/ workstation

>> providing services to the others. It is also a HUGE security

>> improvement.

>>

>> 2. No, you will rely on broadcasts for naming and resource searches.

>> This is NOT a reliable technology and it will only work most of the time.

>> It is not something for a mission critical operation. Network broadcasts

>> are heavy on the network and cannot traverse subnets or routed

>> boundaries.

>>

>> 3. You need this as soon as you need to rely on the network to do

>> anything. With a workgroup it is a nice to have convienence.