COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

July 6, 2007

Hi,

I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive to a

removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back of

the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop hard

drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive for it,

install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard drive... I

don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out of it

to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that I

would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days or

even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista Transformation Pack

7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to make

my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for your own

reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of space

it is taking up, and what it looks like.

anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't have to

reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

harddrive I might have to get?

Thakns in advance!

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

You're referring to a process called "Imaging". This takes a full drive and

copies ( and compresses ) it's contents into a module or series of modules.

When needed, you can reverse the process to restore the full drive or a

specific set of files and folders. An image is itself not bootable, that's

what

is referred to as a "Mirror Copy" or Clone.

There are a number of products available, I'd recommend Acronis True

Image Home.

One other note about imaging - saving to any magnetic media including an

external hard drive has it's own risks. It's always best to make a copy of

the Image modules on optical media (CD-R, DVD-R).

"mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

> Hi,

> I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive to

> a

> removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back of

> the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop hard

> drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive for

> it,

> install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard drive...

> I

> don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

> understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out of

> it

> to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that I

> would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days or

> even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista Transformation

> Pack

> 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to

> make

> my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for your

> own

> reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of

> space

> it is taking up, and what it looks like.

>

> anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't have

> to

> reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

> harddrive I might have to get?

>

> Thakns in advance!

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

"mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

> Hi,

> I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive to

> a

> removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back of

> the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop hard

> drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive for

> it,

> install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard drive...

> I

> don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

> understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out of

> it

> to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that I

> would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days or

> even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista Transformation

> Pack

> 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to

> make

> my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for your

> own

> reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of

> space

> it is taking up, and what it looks like.

>

> anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't have

> to

> reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

> harddrive I might have to get?

>

> Thakns in advance!

>

You need a disk imaging package - like Acronis. With that you won't even

have to do any drag and drop - just restore the image....

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm assuming

that the new hard drive is completely blank.

"Gordon" wrote:

> "mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

> > Hi,

> > I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive to

> > a

> > removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back of

> > the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop hard

> > drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive for

> > it,

> > install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard drive...

> > I

> > don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

> > understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out of

> > it

> > to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that I

> > would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days or

> > even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista Transformation

> > Pack

> > 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to

> > make

> > my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for your

> > own

> > reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of

> > space

> > it is taking up, and what it looks like.

> >

> > anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't have

> > to

> > reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

> > harddrive I might have to get?

> >

> > Thakns in advance!

> >

>

> You need a disk imaging package - like Acronis. With that you won't even

> have to do any drag and drop - just restore the image....

>

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

"mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

> So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm assuming

> that the new hard drive is completely blank.

>

Dunno - ask Acronis!

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Ok, thanks for your help up to this point.. One little side question for you.

If my hard drive goes (which I hear happens very quickly on most laptops) and

I want to upgrade/get a new one, would my laptop be compatible with a 160GB

hard drive from TigerDirect? My current hard drive is a SATA6 interface, but

the Tiger direct, 160GB SATA 2.5" drives are all SATA100 or 150. the laptop

is a Gateway MX6425 (googling that, you can get the exact specs on it which I

can't fully comprehend-- atleast not enough to the point that I can answer

that question).

thanks!

"Gordon" wrote:

> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm assuming

> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

> >

>

> Dunno - ask Acronis!

>

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

> "mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

>> Hi,

>> I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive

>> to a removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total

>> back of

>> the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop hard

>> drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive for

>> it, install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard

>> drive...

(SNIP)

>> anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't have

>> to reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any

>> new

>> harddrive I might have to get?

>>

>> Thakns in advance!

"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:OOu6XS$vHHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> You're referring to a process called "Imaging". This takes a full drive

> and

> copies ( and compresses ) it's contents into a module or series of

> modules.

> When needed, you can reverse the process to restore the full drive or a

> specific set of files and folders. An image is itself not bootable, that's

> what

> is referred to as a "Mirror Copy" or Clone.

> There are a number of products available, I'd recommend Acronis True

> Image Home.

> One other note about imaging - saving to any magnetic media including an

> external hard drive has it's own risks. It's always best to make a copy of

> the Image modules on optical media (CD-R, DVD-R).

mike:

Just to add a bit to R. McCarty's response to your query as well as Gordon's

recommendation of the Acronis program...

You can use a disk imaging/disk cloning program such as the Acronis True

Image program that has been recommended for your objective. When you refer

to "backing up my harddrive to a removable hard drive", I assume you're

referring to a USB or Firewire or SATA external HDD, right? And that's

perfectly fine.

Note that these "disk imaging" programs also have the facility of "cloning"

the contents of one's day-to-day HDD to another HDD, internal or external.

This is in addition to the program's facility of creating a "disk image",

which is a "snapshot" of your entire system.

The advantage of the disk cloning process rather than the disk imaging

process is that by using disk cloning you can create (for all practical

purposes) a bit-for-bit copy of your HDD so that if the recipient of the

clone is an internal HDD, that cloned HDD will be bootable and its data

immediately accessible, unlike the situation where a disk image is created

on the recipient HDD and a recovery process is necessary to restore the

image to a bootable, data-accessible state. Note, however, that should the

recipient of the clone be a USB external HDD (as apparently you have in

mind) - since that device is not ordinarily bootable - its contents

(although accessible from the boot HDD) would need to be "cloned back" to an

internal HDD should the recovery/restore process be necessary to create a

bootable HDD. On the other hand, should the HDD encased in the USB enclosure

be removable, it could be installed as an internal HDD in the PC and thus

the user would have a bootable functioning HDD that way.

While you can also use these types of programs to create disk images of your

system, note that these disk images must go through a recovery or

restoration process to return your system to a bootable functional state.

However, this recovery process is not particularly difficult to undertake.

Many users prefer the disk imaging process rather than the disk cloning

process because the backups are usually faster to complete than creating a

disk clone. Another advantage of the disk imaging methodology (albeit a

minor one in my opinion) is that the file(s) created through this process

utilize less disk space than a full clone of the system.

In any event, whatever process you choose - backing up your system in a

routine manner to an external hard drive is simple, straightforward, fast,

and most important of all -- effective - when you use a disk cloning/disk

imaging program. Unlike backup programs that merely back up your data

files - that is, the files you've created in the various programs and

applications you use - by cloning your hard drive (or creating a disk image

of your system) you are backing up your operating system, your registry, all

your programs and applications, your configuration settings, your data

files - in short, everything on your source hard drive.

You would do well to undertake some research on the net re these disk

imaging/disk cloning programs to get a more detailed understanding of these

types of comprehensive backup programs.

Anna

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

"mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

> So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm assuming

> that the new hard drive is completely blank.

>

> "Gordon" wrote:

>

>> "mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

>> > Hi,

>> > I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive

>> > to

>> > a

>> > removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back

>> > of

>> > the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop

>> > hard

>> > drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive

>> > for

>> > it,

>> > install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard

>> > drive...

>> > I

>> > don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

>> > understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out

>> > of

>> > it

>> > to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that

>> > I

>> > would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days

>> > or

>> > even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista

>> > Transformation

>> > Pack

>> > 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to

>> > make

>> > my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for

>> > your

>> > own

>> > reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of

>> > space

>> > it is taking up, and what it looks like.

>> >

>> > anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't

>> > have

>> > to

>> > reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

>> > harddrive I might have to get?

>> >

>> > Thakns in advance!

>> >

>>

>> You need a disk imaging package - like Acronis. With that you won't even

>> have to do any drag and drop - just restore the image....

>>

At the very first use of Acronis, you make a bootable CD which can then

restore a cloned disk.

Or, you can remove the cloned disk from its enclosure and insert it into the

laptop. Note, that you need to make certain that the external drive is

compatible with the laptop.

Jim

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

"mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8E1E0EA8-12D1-4E32-AEC5-C05450A48F15@microsoft.com...

> Ok, thanks for your help up to this point.. One little side question for

> you.

> If my hard drive goes (which I hear happens very quickly on most laptops)

> and

> I want to upgrade/get a new one, would my laptop be compatible with a

> 160GB

> hard drive from TigerDirect? My current hard drive is a SATA6 interface,

> but

> the Tiger direct, 160GB SATA 2.5" drives are all SATA100 or 150. the

> laptop

> is a Gateway MX6425 (googling that, you can get the exact specs on it

> which I

> can't fully comprehend-- atleast not enough to the point that I can answer

> that question).

>

> thanks!

>

> "Gordon" wrote:

>

>> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

>> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm

>> > assuming

>> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

>> >

>>

>> Dunno - ask Acronis!

>>

I would doubt that a SATA6 is the same as either SATA 100 or SATA 150 if for

no other reason that in such a case they would not need to create a new

version of SATA.

However, you should compare the connectors, etc., for the various kinds to

see if they are compatible.

Jim

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

OK, I got the Acronis now... I understand it I mean. They also said that you

can just put the image on an external and boot from the external, then put

the image onto the C:\ (which would be the internal).

About the hard drives though, it's a VERY minor difference between the hard

drives as far as I can tell. Can anyone check what it is between them and

tell me if it will be fine? Like I said, googling MX6425 will get you the

gateway page with the super-advanced specs of my laptop.

thanks!

"Jim" wrote:

>

> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:8E1E0EA8-12D1-4E32-AEC5-C05450A48F15@microsoft.com...

> > Ok, thanks for your help up to this point.. One little side question for

> > you.

> > If my hard drive goes (which I hear happens very quickly on most laptops)

> > and

> > I want to upgrade/get a new one, would my laptop be compatible with a

> > 160GB

> > hard drive from TigerDirect? My current hard drive is a SATA6 interface,

> > but

> > the Tiger direct, 160GB SATA 2.5" drives are all SATA100 or 150. the

> > laptop

> > is a Gateway MX6425 (googling that, you can get the exact specs on it

> > which I

> > can't fully comprehend-- atleast not enough to the point that I can answer

> > that question).

> >

> > thanks!

> >

> > "Gordon" wrote:

> >

> >> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

> >> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm

> >> > assuming

> >> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

> >> >

> >>

> >> Dunno - ask Acronis!

> >>

> I would doubt that a SATA6 is the same as either SATA 100 or SATA 150 if for

> no other reason that in such a case they would not need to create a new

> version of SATA.

>

> However, you should compare the connectors, etc., for the various kinds to

> see if they are compatible.

>

> Jim

>

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I wanted to

have an external drive still? I'd have to go out and get a new one. Plus, my

usage of that external is not limited to the cloned/image file of my H/D...

It also has all of my videos and other media on it. It's one of those HP

PErsonal Media Drives, 100GB

"Jim" wrote:

>

> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm assuming

> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

> >

> > "Gordon" wrote:

> >

> >> "mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

> >> > Hi,

> >> > I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my harddrive

> >> > to

> >> > a

> >> > removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total back

> >> > of

> >> > the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop

> >> > hard

> >> > drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive

> >> > for

> >> > it,

> >> > install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard

> >> > drive...

> >> > I

> >> > don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

> >> > understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he|| out

> >> > of

> >> > it

> >> > to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it that

> >> > I

> >> > would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for days

> >> > or

> >> > even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista

> >> > Transformation

> >> > Pack

> >> > 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files to

> >> > make

> >> > my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for

> >> > your

> >> > own

> >> > reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount of

> >> > space

> >> > it is taking up, and what it looks like.

> >> >

> >> > anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't

> >> > have

> >> > to

> >> > reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any new

> >> > harddrive I might have to get?

> >> >

> >> > Thakns in advance!

> >> >

> >>

> >> You need a disk imaging package - like Acronis. With that you won't even

> >> have to do any drag and drop - just restore the image....

> >>

> At the very first use of Acronis, you make a bootable CD which can then

> restore a cloned disk.

>

> Or, you can remove the cloned disk from its enclosure and insert it into the

> laptop. Note, that you need to make certain that the external drive is

> compatible with the laptop.

>

> Jim

>

July 6, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Yes, what you're supposed to do is go out and buy a drive that you dedicate

exclusively to backups. Include the contents of your other external drive in

your backup scheme.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4C85E0F7-1444-4D31-A128-AC14FFA12554@microsoft.com...

> Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I wanted

> to

> have an external drive still? I'd have to go out and get a new one. Plus,

> my

> usage of that external is not limited to the cloned/image file of my

> H/D...

> It also has all of my videos and other media on it. It's one of those HP

> PErsonal Media Drives, 100GB

>

> "Jim" wrote:

>

>>

>> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

>> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm

>> > assuming

>> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

>> >

>> > "Gordon" wrote:

>> >

>> >> "mike_302" <mike_302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:07165F79-420B-481D-B89E-35C5D6B49EBE@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Hi,

>> >> > I am trying to do the right hting by completely backing up my

>> >> > harddrive

>> >> > to

>> >> > a

>> >> > removable hard drive. What I am aiming for is a complete and total

>> >> > back

>> >> > of

>> >> > the files that I currently have on the computer so that if my laptop

>> >> > hard

>> >> > drive finally took a crap on me, I could simply get a new hard drive

>> >> > for

>> >> > it,

>> >> > install XP on it again, and drag and drop the files onto the hard

>> >> > drive...

>> >> > I

>> >> > don;t know if what I said made much sense, but I think some of you

>> >> > understand. See, waht I've done to my computer is tweaked the he||

>> >> > out

>> >> > of

>> >> > it

>> >> > to make it go REALLY fast, and I've got quite a few prgrams on it

>> >> > that

>> >> > I

>> >> > would prefer NOT to have to reinstall because I would be here for

>> >> > days

>> >> > or

>> >> > even weeks, one of those prorgams including Windows Vista

>> >> > Transformation

>> >> > Pack

>> >> > 7 by Windows X-- a prorgam that transformed many of my system files

>> >> > to

>> >> > make

>> >> > my GUI look a LOT like vista. Some of you may disapprove of this for

>> >> > your

>> >> > own

>> >> > reasons, but I like the speed my desktop is at right now, the amount

>> >> > of

>> >> > space

>> >> > it is taking up, and what it looks like.

>> >> >

>> >> > anywyas, does anyone know how to do what I'm describing? So I don't

>> >> > have

>> >> > to

>> >> > reinstall anything-- just drag and rop the files in C:/ back to any

>> >> > new

>> >> > harddrive I might have to get?

>> >> >

>> >> > Thakns in advance!

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> You need a disk imaging package - like Acronis. With that you won't

>> >> even

>> >> have to do any drag and drop - just restore the image....

>> >>

>> At the very first use of Acronis, you make a bootable CD which can then

>> restore a cloned disk.

>>

>> Or, you can remove the cloned disk from its enclosure and insert it into

>> the

>> laptop. Note, that you need to make certain that the external drive is

>> compatible with the laptop.

>>

>> Jim

>>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I wanted to

>have an external drive still?

If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

of what folks have been telling you.

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there buddy. I

only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to take the

hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an option, I

made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE GRUMPY:

So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created by

Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it would not

work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my files.

In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long as

all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with all

of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this way?

"Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I wanted to

> >have an external drive still?

>

> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

>

> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

> of what folks have been telling you.

>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my files.

>In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long as

>all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with all

>of my Registry edits.

Like I said... you're a moron.

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis backups,

with the following serious drawbacks.

1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same drive.

Those files aren't worth backing up?

2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have any sane

result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or weeks

worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space than

you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent backup

strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes. And let

number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

> WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there buddy. I

> only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to take

> the

> hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an option, I

> made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

> question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE

> GRUMPY:

>

> So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created by

> Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it would

> not

> work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my

> files.

> In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long

> as

> all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with

> all

> of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this way?

>

> "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

>

>> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

>> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I

>> >wanted to

>> >have an external drive still?

>>

>> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

>>

>> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

>> of what folks have been telling you.

>>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

In article <OhNZ$XDwHHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,

Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:

>Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis backups,

>with the following serious drawbacks.

>

>1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same drive.

>Those files aren't worth backing up?

>

It makes sense to use the second drive for the tmp folder and swap.

IMO, Make it a "small" partition so that defrag issues down't get complictaed

my the multi-GM files produced by Arconis.

Make sure the second disk IS NOT DYNAMIC since the CD-bootable version

of Acronis is Linux-based and Linux can't deal with dynamic disks,

yet.

As in any backup scheme, you don't know if it'll work until you've

tested it.

Make a backup then bood the CD and see if yo can browse and

test the backup imaage.

--

a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

And to Gary here: I see your point of view, but, for #1, I don't care about

backing those up. Those bideo files on the hard drive can go if they want.

It's just a WHOLE lot of video tutorials for using photoshop and illustrator.

The HD came free with the computer, so I used it to save videos that I

otherwise would not have downloaded.

For #2, like I tried to point out earlier, I only REALLY care that all those

registry tweaks and transformations, and user settings tht I applied stay the

same if I had to do a hard drive switch, and I've done enough tweaks to my

system to make me happy... It took HOURs of research to find out how to do

them, what one's to do, etc. So now, I just want to have them setup if my H/D

ever fails, and I'll just continue to use my disk and page file defragmenter

to keep my computer moving quickly.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis backups,

> with the following serious drawbacks.

>

> 1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same drive.

> Those files aren't worth backing up?

>

> 2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have any sane

> result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or weeks

> worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

> thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space than

> you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent backup

> strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes. And let

> number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

> > WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there buddy. I

> > only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to take

> > the

> > hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an option, I

> > made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

> > question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE

> > GRUMPY:

> >

> > So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created by

> > Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it would

> > not

> > work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my

> > files.

> > In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long

> > as

> > all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with

> > all

> > of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this way?

> >

> > "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

> >

> >> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

> >> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I

> >> >wanted to

> >> >have an external drive still?

> >>

> >> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

> >>

> >> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

> >> of what folks have been telling you.

> >>

>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Anyone want to back me up here? I'm sorry UNCLE GRUMPY, if my priority isn't

backing up hundreds of gigs of p0rn that I download every day. The only files

that I PRODUCE on my computer are photoshop, illustrator, Word, publisher,

excel, and powerpoint documents. Those are all saved to my thumb drive, as is

my Itunes downloads to my Ipod. so, I'm sorry if I don't have the need to

back up my hard drive everyday, but that doesn't make me a moron.

And since when does "simplicity" include disassembling an external hard

drive and a laptop, and transplanting the drives inside, even if they are

most likely not the same types (Most likely being the key term here) ? In

this case, I think it's YOU that is the moron because that is not as "simple"

as you say.

I have different needs than perhaps you do. I have different files that I am

aiming to backup, and a different budget to stick with so, PLEASe, anyone

here gonna back me up? I was not angry until this UNCLE GRUMPY started coming

on here and calling me a moron. Heck, all my messages were typed i na happy

mood and context.

"thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com" wrote:

> And to Gary here: I see your point of view, but, for #1, I don't care about

> backing those up. Those bideo files on the hard drive can go if they want.

> It's just a WHOLE lot of video tutorials for using photoshop and illustrator.

> The HD came free with the computer, so I used it to save videos that I

> otherwise would not have downloaded.

>

> For #2, like I tried to point out earlier, I only REALLY care that all those

> registry tweaks and transformations, and user settings tht I applied stay the

> same if I had to do a hard drive switch, and I've done enough tweaks to my

> system to make me happy... It took HOURs of research to find out how to do

> them, what one's to do, etc. So now, I just want to have them setup if my H/D

> ever fails, and I'll just continue to use my disk and page file defragmenter

> to keep my computer moving quickly.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

> > Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis backups,

> > with the following serious drawbacks.

> >

> > 1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same drive.

> > Those files aren't worth backing up?

> >

> > 2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have any sane

> > result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or weeks

> > worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

> > thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space than

> > you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent backup

> > strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes. And let

> > number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

> >

> > --

> > Gary S. Terhune

> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://www.grystmill.com

> >

> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

> > <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

> > > WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there buddy. I

> > > only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to take

> > > the

> > > hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an option, I

> > > made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

> > > question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE

> > > GRUMPY:

> > >

> > > So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created by

> > > Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it would

> > > not

> > > work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my

> > > files.

> > > In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long

> > > as

> > > all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with

> > > all

> > > of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this way?

> > >

> > > "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

> > >

> > >> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

> > >> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I

> > >> >wanted to

> > >> >have an external drive still?

> > >>

> > >> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

> > >>

> > >> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

> > >> of what folks have been telling you.

> > >>

> >

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

We're talking about an external drive. What you suggest makes no sense on an

external HD.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message

news:f6mqka$s22$1@panix5.panix.com...

> In article <OhNZ$XDwHHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,

> Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:

>>Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis backups,

>>with the following serious drawbacks.

>>

>>1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same drive.

>>Those files aren't worth backing up?

>>

>

> It makes sense to use the second drive for the tmp folder and swap.

> IMO, Make it a "small" partition so that defrag issues down't get

> complictaed

> my the multi-GM files produced by Arconis.

>

> Make sure the second disk IS NOT DYNAMIC since the CD-bootable version

> of Acronis is Linux-based and Linux can't deal with dynamic disks,

> yet.

>

> As in any backup scheme, you don't know if it'll work until you've

> tested it.

>

> Make a backup then bood the CD and see if yo can browse and

> test the backup imaage.

>

> --

> a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

> Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Ignore the troll. He never has anything nice to say about anyone (well,

almost never).

Only you can determine what's worth the time and money to keep backed up.

Personally, a thumb drive is near or maybe at the top of my list of flaky

places to store data. If the files on the external HD aren't critical and

you can make enough room, now that you have Acronis, why not set up a

regular backup strategy?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:053378D5-F483-49BA-9C7D-5DA88B3DE6A3@microsoft.com...

> Anyone want to back me up here? I'm sorry UNCLE GRUMPY, if my priority

> isn't

> backing up hundreds of gigs of p0rn that I download every day. The only

> files

> that I PRODUCE on my computer are photoshop, illustrator, Word, publisher,

> excel, and powerpoint documents. Those are all saved to my thumb drive, as

> is

> my Itunes downloads to my Ipod. so, I'm sorry if I don't have the need to

> back up my hard drive everyday, but that doesn't make me a moron.

>

> And since when does "simplicity" include disassembling an external hard

> drive and a laptop, and transplanting the drives inside, even if they are

> most likely not the same types (Most likely being the key term here) ? In

> this case, I think it's YOU that is the moron because that is not as

> "simple"

> as you say.

>

> I have different needs than perhaps you do. I have different files that I

> am

> aiming to backup, and a different budget to stick with so, PLEASe, anyone

> here gonna back me up? I was not angry until this UNCLE GRUMPY started

> coming

> on here and calling me a moron. Heck, all my messages were typed i na

> happy

> mood and context.

>

> "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com" wrote:

>

>> And to Gary here: I see your point of view, but, for #1, I don't care

>> about

>> backing those up. Those bideo files on the hard drive can go if they

>> want.

>> It's just a WHOLE lot of video tutorials for using photoshop and

>> illustrator.

>> The HD came free with the computer, so I used it to save videos that I

>> otherwise would not have downloaded.

>>

>> For #2, like I tried to point out earlier, I only REALLY care that all

>> those

>> registry tweaks and transformations, and user settings tht I applied stay

>> the

>> same if I had to do a hard drive switch, and I've done enough tweaks to

>> my

>> system to make me happy... It took HOURs of research to find out how to

>> do

>> them, what one's to do, etc. So now, I just want to have them setup if my

>> H/D

>> ever fails, and I'll just continue to use my disk and page file

>> defragmenter

>> to keep my computer moving quickly.

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>>

>> > Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis

>> > backups,

>> > with the following serious drawbacks.

>> >

>> > 1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same

>> > drive.

>> > Those files aren't worth backing up?

>> >

>> > 2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have any

>> > sane

>> > result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or

>> > weeks

>> > worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

>> > thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space

>> > than

>> > you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent

>> > backup

>> > strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes. And

>> > let

>> > number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

>> >

>> > --

>> > Gary S. Terhune

>> > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> > http://www.grystmill.com

>> >

>> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

>> > <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

>> > > WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there

>> > > buddy. I

>> > > only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to

>> > > take

>> > > the

>> > > hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an

>> > > option, I

>> > > made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

>> > > question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE

>> > > GRUMPY:

>> > >

>> > > So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created

>> > > by

>> > > Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it

>> > > would

>> > > not

>> > > work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my

>> > > files.

>> > > In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as

>> > > long

>> > > as

>> > > all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along

>> > > with

>> > > all

>> > > of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this

>> > > way?

>> > >

>> > > "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

>> > >

>> > >> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

>> > >> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> > >>

>> > >> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I

>> > >> >wanted to

>> > >> >have an external drive still?

>> > >>

>> > >> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

>> > >>

>> > >> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

>> > >> of what folks have been telling you.

>> > >>

>> >

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Setting up a backup strategy, on a regular basis, would be a lot of work

because this external that I have, like I mentioned before, is an HP Media

Drive, and it plugs into the desktop. It's got this whole compartement made

JUST for it right in the tower. PLUS, I moved taht desktop's pagin file to it

so I'd had to shut down that computer, take it out, gather the cords, set it

all up, and for what? Absolutley none of my files are that critical. I always

have ONe copy on my hard drive, and one on my thumb drive and I think it is

VERY unlikely that both of them might corrupt on me in one day.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Ignore the troll. He never has anything nice to say about anyone (well,

> almost never).

>

> Only you can determine what's worth the time and money to keep backed up.

> Personally, a thumb drive is near or maybe at the top of my list of flaky

> places to store data. If the files on the external HD aren't critical and

> you can make enough room, now that you have Acronis, why not set up a

> regular backup strategy?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:053378D5-F483-49BA-9C7D-5DA88B3DE6A3@microsoft.com...

> > Anyone want to back me up here? I'm sorry UNCLE GRUMPY, if my priority

> > isn't

> > backing up hundreds of gigs of p0rn that I download every day. The only

> > files

> > that I PRODUCE on my computer are photoshop, illustrator, Word, publisher,

> > excel, and powerpoint documents. Those are all saved to my thumb drive, as

> > is

> > my Itunes downloads to my Ipod. so, I'm sorry if I don't have the need to

> > back up my hard drive everyday, but that doesn't make me a moron.

> >

> > And since when does "simplicity" include disassembling an external hard

> > drive and a laptop, and transplanting the drives inside, even if they are

> > most likely not the same types (Most likely being the key term here) ? In

> > this case, I think it's YOU that is the moron because that is not as

> > "simple"

> > as you say.

> >

> > I have different needs than perhaps you do. I have different files that I

> > am

> > aiming to backup, and a different budget to stick with so, PLEASe, anyone

> > here gonna back me up? I was not angry until this UNCLE GRUMPY started

> > coming

> > on here and calling me a moron. Heck, all my messages were typed i na

> > happy

> > mood and context.

> >

> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com" wrote:

> >

> >> And to Gary here: I see your point of view, but, for #1, I don't care

> >> about

> >> backing those up. Those bideo files on the hard drive can go if they

> >> want.

> >> It's just a WHOLE lot of video tutorials for using photoshop and

> >> illustrator.

> >> The HD came free with the computer, so I used it to save videos that I

> >> otherwise would not have downloaded.

> >>

> >> For #2, like I tried to point out earlier, I only REALLY care that all

> >> those

> >> registry tweaks and transformations, and user settings tht I applied stay

> >> the

> >> same if I had to do a hard drive switch, and I've done enough tweaks to

> >> my

> >> system to make me happy... It took HOURs of research to find out how to

> >> do

> >> them, what one's to do, etc. So now, I just want to have them setup if my

> >> H/D

> >> ever fails, and I'll just continue to use my disk and page file

> >> defragmenter

> >> to keep my computer moving quickly.

> >>

> >> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >>

> >> > Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis

> >> > backups,

> >> > with the following serious drawbacks.

> >> >

> >> > 1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same

> >> > drive.

> >> > Those files aren't worth backing up?

> >> >

> >> > 2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have any

> >> > sane

> >> > result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or

> >> > weeks

> >> > worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

> >> > thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space

> >> > than

> >> > you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent

> >> > backup

> >> > strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes. And

> >> > let

> >> > number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

> >> >

> >> > --

> >> > Gary S. Terhune

> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> > http://www.grystmill.com

> >> >

> >> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

> >> > <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> > news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

> >> > > WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there

> >> > > buddy. I

> >> > > only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going to

> >> > > take

> >> > > the

> >> > > hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an

> >> > > option, I

> >> > > made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of a

> >> > > question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you, UNCLE

> >> > > GRUMPY:

> >> > >

> >> > > So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file created

> >> > > by

> >> > > Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well, it

> >> > > would

> >> > > not

> >> > > work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my

> >> > > files.

> >> > > In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as

> >> > > long

> >> > > as

> >> > > all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along

> >> > > with

> >> > > all

> >> > > of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this

> >> > > way?

> >> > >

> >> > > "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > >> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

> >> > >> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >> > >>

> >> > >> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be if I

> >> > >> >wanted to

> >> > >> >have an external drive still?

> >> > >>

> >> > >> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the simplicity

> >> > >> of what folks have been telling you.

> >> > >>

> >> >

>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

Now, I'm confused. My understanding is that SATA (150 MB/sec) and SATAII

(300MB/sec) is generally what's available. Rumor has it SATAIII (450MB/sec)

is out there, but has problems.

What is SATA6 interface?

What is SATA 100?

2.5" hard drives are standard in laptops. 3.5" just won't work for many

reasons.

Dave

"mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8E1E0EA8-12D1-4E32-AEC5-C05450A48F15@microsoft.com...

> Ok, thanks for your help up to this point.. One little side question for

> you.

> If my hard drive goes (which I hear happens very quickly on most laptops)

> and

> I want to upgrade/get a new one, would my laptop be compatible with a

> 160GB

> hard drive from TigerDirect? My current hard drive is a SATA6 interface,

> but

> the Tiger direct, 160GB SATA 2.5" drives are all SATA100 or 150. the

> laptop

> is a Gateway MX6425 (googling that, you can get the exact specs on it

> which I

> can't fully comprehend-- atleast not enough to the point that I can answer

> that question).

>

> thanks!

>

> "Gordon" wrote:

>

>> "mike_302" <mike302@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:1BB5682C-61D4-4259-BF30-4E6149C91969@microsoft.com...

>> > So, how do you restore it if you install the new hard drive? I'm

>> > assuming

>> > that the new hard drive is completely blank.

>> >

>>

>> Dunno - ask Acronis!

>>

July 7, 2007

Re: COMPLETE backup of harddrive contents

OK, you've convinced me, <s>. For a one-time or occasional clone of the OS

partition or the entire drive, your scheme seems OK. Just remember to

refresh it (replace it) whenever you make changes to your system -- tweaks,

installations, uninstalls, etc. And, perhaps, make one *before* making such

changes, or before major maintenance.

I would not consider that drive to be "external" since it still depends on

the main box's power supply, and thence come power surges that are the death

of drives. IOW, that drive is too closely associated with the main drive to

be considered a decent backup. Be sure to pull it before making major

changes, only putting it back when the system is "right".

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

<thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Setting up a backup strategy, on a regular basis, would be a lot of work

> because this external that I have, like I mentioned before, is an HP Media

> Drive, and it plugs into the desktop. It's got this whole compartement

> made

> JUST for it right in the tower. PLUS, I moved taht desktop's pagin file to

> it

> so I'd had to shut down that computer, take it out, gather the cords, set

> it

> all up, and for what? Absolutley none of my files are that critical. I

> always

> have ONe copy on my hard drive, and one on my thumb drive and I think it

> is

> VERY unlikely that both of them might corrupt on me in one day.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Ignore the troll. He never has anything nice to say about anyone (well,

>> almost never).

>>

>> Only you can determine what's worth the time and money to keep backed up.

>> Personally, a thumb drive is near or maybe at the top of my list of flaky

>> places to store data. If the files on the external HD aren't critical and

>> you can make enough room, now that you have Acronis, why not set up a

>> regular backup strategy?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

>> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:053378D5-F483-49BA-9C7D-5DA88B3DE6A3@microsoft.com...

>> > Anyone want to back me up here? I'm sorry UNCLE GRUMPY, if my priority

>> > isn't

>> > backing up hundreds of gigs of p0rn that I download every day. The only

>> > files

>> > that I PRODUCE on my computer are photoshop, illustrator, Word,

>> > publisher,

>> > excel, and powerpoint documents. Those are all saved to my thumb drive,

>> > as

>> > is

>> > my Itunes downloads to my Ipod. so, I'm sorry if I don't have the need

>> > to

>> > back up my hard drive everyday, but that doesn't make me a moron.

>> >

>> > And since when does "simplicity" include disassembling an external hard

>> > drive and a laptop, and transplanting the drives inside, even if they

>> > are

>> > most likely not the same types (Most likely being the key term here) ?

>> > In

>> > this case, I think it's YOU that is the moron because that is not as

>> > "simple"

>> > as you say.

>> >

>> > I have different needs than perhaps you do. I have different files that

>> > I

>> > am

>> > aiming to backup, and a different budget to stick with so, PLEASe,

>> > anyone

>> > here gonna back me up? I was not angry until this UNCLE GRUMPY started

>> > coming

>> > on here and calling me a moron. Heck, all my messages were typed i na

>> > happy

>> > mood and context.

>> >

>> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com" wrote:

>> >

>> >> And to Gary here: I see your point of view, but, for #1, I don't care

>> >> about

>> >> backing those up. Those bideo files on the hard drive can go if they

>> >> want.

>> >> It's just a WHOLE lot of video tutorials for using photoshop and

>> >> illustrator.

>> >> The HD came free with the computer, so I used it to save videos that I

>> >> otherwise would not have downloaded.

>> >>

>> >> For #2, like I tried to point out earlier, I only REALLY care that all

>> >> those

>> >> registry tweaks and transformations, and user settings tht I applied

>> >> stay

>> >> the

>> >> same if I had to do a hard drive switch, and I've done enough tweaks

>> >> to

>> >> my

>> >> system to make me happy... It took HOURs of research to find out how

>> >> to

>> >> do

>> >> them, what one's to do, etc. So now, I just want to have them setup if

>> >> my

>> >> H/D

>> >> ever fails, and I'll just continue to use my disk and page file

>> >> defragmenter

>> >> to keep my computer moving quickly.

>> >>

>> >> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > Yes, you can use the existing external HD to house your Acronis

>> >> > backups,

>> >> > with the following serious drawbacks.

>> >> >

>> >> > 1. Makes no sense to use it to backup the other files on that same

>> >> > drive.

>> >> > Those files aren't worth backing up?

>> >> >

>> >> > 2. You have to make your backups fairly regularly in order to have

>> >> > any

>> >> > sane

>> >> > result when you have to restore them. Really, just how many days or

>> >> > weeks

>> >> > worth of work, installations and tweaks are you willing to lose? I'm

>> >> > thinking that a decent backup strategy will require more disk space

>> >> > than

>> >> > you'll want to lose on that 100GB external drive. Set up a decent

>> >> > backup

>> >> > strategy using that disk and then see how much space it consumes.

>> >> > And

>> >> > let

>> >> > number 1, above, haunt you all the while, <s>.

>> >> >

>> >> > --

>> >> > Gary S. Terhune

>> >> > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> > http://www.grystmill.com

>> >> >

>> >> > "thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com"

>> >> > <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> > message

>> >> > news:BDF31E8C-801D-4398-AD3F-B5306D6DF522@microsoft.com...

>> >> > > WOW! I think you have taken my question WAY out of context there

>> >> > > buddy. I

>> >> > > only put that question to mkae my point as to why I am not going

>> >> > > to

>> >> > > take

>> >> > > the

>> >> > > hard drive out of the case. Many people are suggesting it as an

>> >> > > option, I

>> >> > > made my point as to why I won't use that option (using hte form of

>> >> > > a

>> >> > > question) and suddenly you turn to nasty words. Ignoring you,

>> >> > > UNCLE

>> >> > > GRUMPY:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > So, Gary, are you saying that for me to put that image file

>> >> > > created

>> >> > > by

>> >> > > Acronis, onto my External hard drive that houses movies as well,

>> >> > > it

>> >> > > would

>> >> > > not

>> >> > > work? See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all

>> >> > > my

>> >> > > files.

>> >> > > In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine,

>> >> > > as

>> >> > > long

>> >> > > as

>> >> > > all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along

>> >> > > with

>> >> > > all

>> >> > > of my Registry edits. So, is this going to work with Acronis this

>> >> > > way?

>> >> > >

>> >> > > "Uncle Grumpy" wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > >> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

>> >> > >> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >> >Ya, lots of people suggested that, but what good would that be

>> >> > >> >if I

>> >> > >> >wanted to

>> >> > >> >have an external drive still?

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >> If you have to ask that, then it would be NO good.

>> >> > >>

>> >> > >> WHY???... because you're a moron and can't understand the

>> >> > >> simplicity

>> >> > >> of what folks have been telling you.

>> >> > >>

>> >> >

>>

July 7, 2007

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"Uncle Grumpy" <unclegrumpy@ameritech.net> wrote in message

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> thunderstruck_302@hotmail.com

> <thunderstruck302hotmailcom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>>See, my goal here is not to have a day-to-day backup of all my files.

>>In fact, one backup of all of my files would satisfy me just fine, as long

>>as

>>all of my user settings and Window settings are still there, along with

>>all

>>of my Registry edits.

>

> Like I said... you're a moron.

Ignorance is not a disease. It may be a matter of lack of knowledge, or,

not stumbling upon that knowledge, or, choosing not to seek that knowledge.

Stupidity is having knowledge of, but not taking advantage of that, or, not

reasoning out a solution based on that knowledge, or, implementing a

solution that goes against knowledge made available.

A moron may be walking the line between ignorance and stupidity. This is

directly a relation of the inborne brain density shield.

The village idiot may antagonize the moron at times.

Dave :)

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