Guest scott Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Hello, I have XP running on my pc which has been activated and im going to format and install Vista. My question is can I reinstall Xp on to another Pc and activate it. Will it come up as already been activated. It was activated about 12 months ago or more. Thank you Scott
Guest Gerry Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Scott Retail or OEM version of XP? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "scott" <scott@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:86A5476D-A7DF-4860-B76F-3ABB25B06F73@microsoft.com... > Hello, > I have XP running on my pc which has been activated and im going to > format > and install Vista. > My question is can I reinstall Xp on to another Pc and activate it. > Will it > come up as already been activated. It was activated about 12 months > ago or > more. > > Thank you > Scott
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista scott wrote: > Hello, > I have XP running on my pc which has been activated and im going to format > and install Vista. > My question is can I reinstall Xp on to another Pc and activate it. Will it > come up as already been activated. It was activated about 12 months ago or > more. > > Thank you > Scott Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not legitimately transferable), and assuming that the WinXP license wasn't used to qualify for a Vista Upgrade license (in which case the WinXP license became an inseparable part of the Vista license), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. Here are the facts pertaining to activation: Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/ Windows Product Activation (WPA) http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Alias Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista scott wrote: > Hello, > I have XP running on my pc which has been activated and im going to format > and install Vista. > My question is can I reinstall Xp on to another Pc and activate it. Will it > come up as already been activated. It was activated about 12 months ago or > more. > > Thank you > Scott If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM or retail copy. It will activate on line. If it's a branded restore CD, it won't work. Alias
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias wrote: > > If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM .... It would matter if the OP has any integrity. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Alias Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> >> If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM .... > > > It would matter if the OP has any integrity. > > Integrity is a subjective thing. One license, one computer should be enough for MS. If not, tough titties and they can just go fsck themselves if they don't like it. So can you. How's that for integrity? Just because someone agrees to an EULA to install XP, doesn't mean that one really agrees with it. Alias
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista From a legal standpoint, you are 100% wrong. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message news:%23%23Oi4fMwHHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Just because someone agrees to an EULA to install XP, doesn't mean that > one really agrees with it.
Guest Alias Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Gary S. Terhune wrote: > From a legal standpoint, you are 100% wrong. > So what? There are a lot of laws on the books that people, even legal authorities, break. For example, in NYC, it's illegal for women to wear lipstick on the street. From a practical and technical standpoint, I am 100% correct. Alias
Guest Uncle Grumpy Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote: >Integrity is a subjective thing. Only those without any would agree.
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias wrote: > Bruce Chambers wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> >>> If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM .... >> >> >> It would matter if the OP has any integrity. >> >> > > Integrity is a subjective thing. Not to anyone that has it. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest ANONYMOUS Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Scott, These type of questions always generate heated arguments and debates. My advice to everyone is to try it and see what happens. I have not heard anyone being killed by installing a software which they were not entitled to!!. However, if the XP CD you have is from a branded computer supplier like Dell or HP then don't even try to install it because it won't work. Hope this helps. scott wrote: > > Hello, > I have XP running on my pc which has been activated and im going to format > and install Vista. > My question is can I reinstall Xp on to another Pc and activate it. Will it > come up as already been activated. It was activated about 12 months ago or > more. > > Thank you > Scott
Guest Alias Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Uncle Grumpy wrote: > Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote: > >> Integrity is a subjective thing. > > Only those without any would agree. I see. YOUR integrity is the correct one. Now I understand. Alias
Guest Alias Posted July 7, 2007 Posted July 7, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Bruce Chambers wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>> If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM >>>> .... >>> >>> >>> It would matter if the OP has any integrity. >>> >>> >> >> Integrity is a subjective thing. > > > > Not to anyone that has it. I see. YOUR integrity is the correct one. Now I understand. Alias
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias wrote: > Bruce Chambers wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Bruce Chambers wrote: >>>> Alias wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic OEM >>>>> .... >>>> >>>> >>>> It would matter if the OP has any integrity. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Integrity is a subjective thing. >> >> >> >> Not to anyone that has it. > > I see. YOUR integrity is the correct one. Now I understand. > > Alias Either one has integrity, or one doesn't. There's nothing in the least bit "relative" about it. You are clearly completely unfamiliar with the concept. integrity (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/integrity) Main Entry: in·teg·ri·ty Listen to the pronunciation of integrity Pronunciation: \in-ˈte-grə-tē\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English integrite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French integrité, from Latin integritat-, integritas, from integr-, integer entire Date: 14th century 1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility 2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness 3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness synonyms see *honesty* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity) *Integrity* is the basing of one's actions on an internally consistent framework of principles. Depth of principles and adherence of each level to the next are key determining factors. One is said to have integrity to the extent that everything he does and believes is based on the same core set of values. While those values may change, it is their consistency with each other and with the person's actions that determine his integrity. The concept of integrity is directly linked to responsibility in that implementation spawning from principles is designed with a specific outcome in mind. When the action fails to achieve the desired effect, a change of principles is indicated. Accountability is achieved when a faulty principle is identified and changed to produce a more useful action. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Bruce Chambers wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> Bruce Chambers wrote: >>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's been over 120 days, it doesn't matter if it's a generic >>>>>> OEM .... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It would matter if the OP has any integrity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Integrity is a subjective thing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not to anyone that has it. >> >> I see. YOUR integrity is the correct one. Now I understand. >> >> Alias > > > Either one has integrity, or one doesn't. There's nothing in the > least bit "relative" about it. You are clearly completely unfamiliar > with the concept. See below. Oh, and does "integrity" include not using insults to make your argument? > > integrity (http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/integrity) > > Main Entry: > in·teg·ri·ty Listen to the pronunciation of integrity > Pronunciation: > \in-ˈte-grə-tē\ > Function: > noun > Etymology: > Middle English integrite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French > integrité, from Latin integritat-, integritas, from integr-, integer entire > Date: > 14th century > > 1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : Which are established by whom, you and MS? > incorruptibility 2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness 3 : the quality > or state of being complete or undivided : completeness > synonyms see *honesty* > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity) > *Integrity* is the basing of one's actions on an internally consistent > framework of principles. Depth of principles and adherence of each level > to the next are key determining factors. One is said to have integrity > to the extent that everything he does and believes is based on the same > core set of values. While those values may change, it is their > consistency with each other and with the person's actions that determine > his integrity. And who determines these principles, you and MS? > > The concept of integrity is directly linked to responsibility in that > implementation spawning from principles is designed with a specific > outcome in mind. When the action fails to achieve the desired effect, a > change of principles is indicated. Accountability is achieved when a > faulty principle is identified and changed to produce a more useful action. Oh, so principles can be changed. Like I said, subjective. What is integrity for some, isn't for others. Alias
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias wrote: > > Oh, so principles can be changed. Like I said, subjective. What is > integrity for some, isn't for others. > > Alias Principles may be changed, but not integrity. The two are *not* one and the same. Sheesh! It's like trying to explain blue to someone blind from birth. Especially as there are "none so blind as those who will not see." You go on rationalizing your dishonesty any way that makes you comfortable, Alias. Just make sure you continue posting under your "nom de plume" so no one who has to do business with you will discover how "flexible" your view of integrity is. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Uncle Grumpy Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote: >> Either one has integrity, or one doesn't. There's nothing in the >> least bit "relative" about it. You are clearly completely unfamiliar >> with the concept. > >See below. Oh, and does "integrity" include not using insults to make >your argument? You won't win this one. He was right: you're clearly unfamiliar with the concept.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista The only insult is an implied one - that you lack integrity, as evidenced by your own arguments. Is it really an insult if it's true? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message news:etHsyPYwHHA.3364@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > See below. Oh, and does "integrity" include not using insults to make your > argument?
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> >> Oh, so principles can be changed. Like I said, subjective. What is >> integrity for some, isn't for others. >> >> Alias > > > Principles may be changed, but not integrity. The two are *not* one > and the same. Sheesh! It's like trying to explain blue to someone > blind from birth. Especially as there are "none so blind as those who > will not see." > > You go on rationalizing your dishonesty any way that makes you > comfortable, Alias. Just make sure you continue posting under your "nom > de plume" so no one who has to do business with you will discover how > "flexible" your view of integrity is. > > There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using the media one bought the way one sees fit. In Spain, it's legal as long as it isn't done to make (not save) money. Ergo, where I live, installing an OEM generic copy on one PC and then, later, when that PC is no longer useful, installing it on another is completely legal. No lack of integrity. Not illegal. Game, match. Alias
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Uncle Grumpy wrote: > Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote: > >>> Either one has integrity, or one doesn't. There's nothing in the >>> least bit "relative" about it. You are clearly completely unfamiliar >>> with the concept. >> See below. Oh, and does "integrity" include not using insults to make >> your argument? > > You won't win this one. He was right: you're clearly unfamiliar with > the concept. There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using the media one bought the way one sees fit. In Spain, it's legal as long as it isn't done to make (not save) money. Ergo, where I live, installing an OEM generic copy on one PC and then, later, when that PC is no longer useful, installing it on another is completely legal. No lack of integrity. Not illegal. Game, match. Alias
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Gary S. Terhune wrote: > The only insult is an implied one - that you lack integrity, as evidenced by > your own arguments. Is it really an insult if it's true? > It isn't. There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using the media one bought the way one sees fit. In Spain, it's legal as long as it isn't done to make (not save) money. Ergo, where I live, installing an OEM generic copy on one PC and then, later, when that PC is no longer useful, installing it on another is completely legal. No lack of integrity. Not illegal. Game, match. Alias
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Alias wrote: > >> >> > > There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using the > media one bought the way one sees fit. Nothing dishonest about clicking "I Accept" while intended just the opposite? Nothing dishonest about deliberately lying? Nothing dishonest about entering into a contract by whicht you have no intention of abiding? You really are an utterly untrustworthy person aren't you? > In Spain, it's legal as long as > it isn't done to make (not save) money. Ergo, where I live, installing > an OEM generic copy on one PC and then, later, when that PC is no longer > useful, installing it on another is completely legal. We're not discussing legalities. We're discussing reneging on a freely entered into contract. Lying, in simple terms. Does Spain officially sanction lying? > No lack of > integrity. On the contrary, you've a complete lack of integrity, and seem proud of it. > Not illegal. > Not relevant, you mean. > Game, match. > Hardly. Unless you mean that you've given up. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista If you don't agree to the EULA, you have no license to use the software. "Pretending" to agree, or reneging, do not constitute agreement. If you are relying upon other laws that govern the EULA in your locale, then you are presumably still party to the EULA -- you still agree to it and abide by it. It's also irrelevant to any of your argument thus far. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message news:O%23LD%23RbwHHA.4640@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> The only insult is an implied one - that you lack integrity, as evidenced >> by your own arguments. Is it really an insult if it's true? >> > > It isn't. > > There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using the > media one bought the way one sees fit. In Spain, it's legal as long as it > isn't done to make (not save) money. Ergo, where I live, installing an OEM > generic copy on one PC and then, later, when that PC is no longer useful, > installing it on another is completely legal. No lack of integrity. Not > illegal. > > Game, match. > > Alias
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >> There's nothing dishonest about not agreeing with an EULA and using >> the media one bought the way one sees fit. > > > Nothing dishonest about clicking "I Accept" while intended just the > opposite? Nothing dishonest about deliberately lying? Nothing > dishonest about entering into a contract by whicht you have no intention > of abiding? You really are an utterly untrustworthy person aren't you? > > >> In Spain, it's legal as long as it isn't done to make (not save) >> money. Ergo, where I live, installing an OEM generic copy on one PC >> and then, later, when that PC is no longer useful, installing it on >> another is completely legal. > > > We're not discussing legalities. We're discussing reneging on a > freely entered into contract. Lying, in simple terms. Does Spain > officially sanction lying? > > >> No lack of integrity. > > > On the contrary, you've a complete lack of integrity, and seem proud > of it. > > >> Not illegal. >> > > Not relevant, you mean. > >> Game, match. >> > > Hardly. Unless you mean that you've given up. > > Is that a halo I see above your head? Shall we call you Saint Bruce from now on? Alias
Guest Alias Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: going from XP to Vista Gary S. Terhune wrote: > If you don't agree to the EULA, you have no license to use the software. > "Pretending" to agree, or reneging, do not constitute agreement. If you are > relying upon other laws that govern the EULA in your locale, then you are > presumably still party to the EULA -- you still agree to it and abide by it. > It's also irrelevant to any of your argument thus far. > It's the only way to install it. It's not my fault that it's a unconscionable EULA. Alias
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