How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

[Guest Robert Macy]

Sorry, probably wrong group, but hope someone knows...

 

My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges

to accept the new image.

 

For example, Print Screen, then ctrl-v into Paint ALWAYS changes the

size of image.

 

Also, pasting from another image (when larger) automatically enlarges

image.

 

How to stop this 'feature' and make it operate like the Win98 Paint?

 

Sometimes spend great effort to get the size of the image I need then

WinXP Pain, without asking, changes it.

 

Any ideas?

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

You could stop using Paint.

 

I don't get it. Why would you spend time resizing, cropping, etc., an image

in, presumably another image editing program, and then put it into Paint? I

don't remember what the old version does when you paste in this manner, but

what you describe makes sense. The resolution and magnification remain the

same, so pasting in a larger image requires that the canvas be enlarged.

Even if you paste an image into Photoshop, while the canvas does not

automatically resize, if the data you paste in is larger, it requires

resizing to fit onto the canvas.

 

In short, what do you expect Paint to do to the data? Automatically rezise

to fit onto the existing canvas?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

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> Sorry, probably wrong group, but hope someone knows...

>

> My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges

> to accept the new image.

>

> For example, Print Screen, then ctrl-v into Paint ALWAYS changes the

> size of image.

>

> Also, pasting from another image (when larger) automatically enlarges

> image.

>

> How to stop this 'feature' and make it operate like the Win98 Paint?

>

> Sometimes spend great effort to get the size of the image I need then

> WinXP Pain, without asking, changes it.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Doug W.]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

Well, of course the image size will change. You are pasting a

"Print Screen" image, NOT just the image. Print Screen has all

of the screen...INCLUDING the image. Why aren't you copying the

"image" only and pasting it??????

-

Doug W.

-

p.s. If you don't have any other graphics pgm other than

"Paint", the free "Irfanview" is great for "pasting" images.

There are some basic editing provisions as well as well as

resizing, etc.

I use it everyday and I have dozens of graphic editing pgms.

-

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183819026.672189.106390@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> Sorry, probably wrong group, but hope someone knows...

>

> My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image

> enlarges

> to accept the new image.

>

> For example, Print Screen, then ctrl-v into Paint ALWAYS

> changes the

> size of image.

>

> Also, pasting from another image (when larger) automatically

> enlarges

> image.

>

> How to stop this 'feature' and make it operate like the Win98

> Paint?

>

> Sometimes spend great effort to get the size of the image I

> need then

> WinXP Pain, without asking, changes it.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 9:10 am, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:

> Well, of course the image size will change. You are pasting a

> "Print Screen" image, NOT just the image. Print Screen has all

> of the screen...INCLUDING the image. Why aren't you copying the

> "image" only and pasting it??????

> -

> Doug W.

> -

> p.s. If you don't have any other graphics pgm other than

> "Paint", the free "Irfanview" is great for "pasting" images.

> There are some basic editing provisions as well as well as

> resizing, etc.

> I use it everyday and I have dozens of graphic editing pgms.

 

Yes I have Irfan and it seems ok. Haven't used it for any image

creation. Will do that another time.

 

Right now I use Paint because I control each pixel.

 

For example, I have words/writing on a white background that I took

great pains to print nicely onto paper using this @#$%#$% WinXP

something or other that prints proportionately. Ok, that took a lot

of time. Now I need to go back to my image file and overlay those

words on a colored background but keep the same size and reference

points. The colored background has a pattern so I need to shift it

around so I can get the pale colored images to just be in the right

spot "under" the writing - Keep in mind that the wording, and the

field the wording is in, is absolutely perfect for what I need.

 

Using Win98 paint, the technique is to take the original image with

words and the correct size. Lay on top a 'sample' colored image with

judicious cutouts so I can see where I'm moving around to. Once

satisfied, lay the colored background down again WITHOUT the cotouts.

Then REPASTE the wording exactly on top this image and it goes right

on top since it's the same size, and I'm done. Right size, right

words, and colored images in the right locations.

 

Now, the WinXP Paint enlarges the image based upon whatever is being

pasted. I lose track of every landmark and reference I spent so much

time getting. I don't want any scaling. I want the bit pattern laid

in right. Once the field has been modified in size, I have no way to

go back, except to change the image attributes, but that CROPS the

picture, not place the colored image on top where I needed it. Very

frustrating "improvement" here. Win98 Paint, used to ask, "the imge

is larger, do you wish to change?" by saying NO, great, or if you

wanted, you could say YES and enlarge the image. But not now.

 

Robert

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 8:07 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> You could stop using Paint.

>

> I don't get it. Why would you spend time resizing, cropping, etc., an image

> in, presumably another image editing program, and then put it into Paint? I

> don't remember what the old version does when you paste in this manner, but

> what you describe makes sense. The resolution and magnification remain the

> same, so pasting in a larger image requires that the canvas be enlarged.

> Even if you paste an image into Photoshop, while the canvas does not

> automatically resize, if the data you paste in is larger, it requires

> resizing to fit onto the canvas.

>

> In short, what do you expect Paint to do to the data? Automatically rezise

> to fit onto the existing canvas?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

>

> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1183819026.672189.106390@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>

 

The windows application called Paint manipulates pixels. Usually

stores the image file as a 24 bit color bitmap whose size (and

therefore image size) is based upon the number of pixels by pixels you

asked for.

 

In WinXP, whatever program defaults viewing and then prints

automatically scales such a .bmp image file to fit the paper. That's

ok, too.

 

But to get the writing on the paper to appear exactly where you want

it, requires some extensive trial and error, so once I have a bitmap

image that properly transfers to the paper (after WinXP has scaled it)

I keep that .bmp image for further use.

 

I'm not using any other image generating program. The other image

also is also in bitmap form, I don't wish to scale it, just slide the

second image around over the present form with its words and then not

use what "hangs over the edges". But, WinXP has "improved" the paste

feature of Paint weakening one of the main features of Paint. I have

to transfer everything to the Win98 machine QUICKLY do the overlay and

then transfer the final image back to WinXP for the OK printing

process.

 

See my other response for more details about the sequence I go

through.

 

Thus my question, is there someway to keep Paint from automatically

resizing an image when you paste?

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the canvas

you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as

necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you

*expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary to

the way any image editor I know works.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183837054.219784.211350@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 7, 8:07 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> You could stop using Paint.

>>

>> I don't get it. Why would you spend time resizing, cropping, etc., an

>> image

>> in, presumably another image editing program, and then put it into Paint?

>> I

>> don't remember what the old version does when you paste in this manner,

>> but

>> what you describe makes sense. The resolution and magnification remain

>> the

>> same, so pasting in a larger image requires that the canvas be enlarged.

>> Even if you paste an image into Photoshop, while the canvas does not

>> automatically resize, if the data you paste in is larger, it requires

>> resizing to fit onto the canvas.

>>

>> In short, what do you expect Paint to do to the data? Automatically

>> rezise

>> to fit onto the existing canvas?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

>>

>> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1183819026.672189.106390@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>>

>

> The windows application called Paint manipulates pixels. Usually

> stores the image file as a 24 bit color bitmap whose size (and

> therefore image size) is based upon the number of pixels by pixels you

> asked for.

>

> In WinXP, whatever program defaults viewing and then prints

> automatically scales such a .bmp image file to fit the paper. That's

> ok, too.

>

> But to get the writing on the paper to appear exactly where you want

> it, requires some extensive trial and error, so once I have a bitmap

> image that properly transfers to the paper (after WinXP has scaled it)

> I keep that .bmp image for further use.

>

> I'm not using any other image generating program. The other image

> also is also in bitmap form, I don't wish to scale it, just slide the

> second image around over the present form with its words and then not

> use what "hangs over the edges". But, WinXP has "improved" the paste

> feature of Paint weakening one of the main features of Paint. I have

> to transfer everything to the Win98 machine QUICKLY do the overlay and

> then transfer the final image back to WinXP for the OK printing

> process.

>

> See my other response for more details about the sequence I go

> through.

>

> Thus my question, is there someway to keep Paint from automatically

> resizing an image when you paste?

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 1:34 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the canvas

> you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as

> necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you

> *expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary to

> the way any image editor I know works.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

 

My point is ...I told you I don't WANT all the new image, just a

judicious amount that covers my original in a proper manner.

I am pasting an image much larger than where it's going, so that I can

move it around over the top of the first image and still cover the

first image at every location. AFTER I select where I paste the

pattern, I expect the program to shave off the excess and the

resulting combination is the exact size as my original!

 

NO pasting from a very large image does NOT need to enlarge where it

goes to capture only what you want. Just because the image to be

pasted has more pixels, I don't necessarily want all the pasted

image.I don't want the original to change its pixel size. The canvas

does not NEED to be enlarged. I don't WANT it enlarged. I expect it

to ASK me which manner I prefer, and when I don't wish to enlarge the

original, and after I place it where I want, automatically cut off the

unwanted. Such as in the Win98 Paint program. I've gotten by for

years using Win98 Paint with it asking me before doing.

 

What you describe as an image editor sounds like horrific distortion

with no control: For example, I have 400 by 400 pixels filled with

lettering that is small, but readable when scaled for printing. I

then paste a PATTERN that came in 800 by 800 pixels over the top of my

letters, and ZAP the new larger resulting picture will be scaled very

small when printed, now making my print half the size it was when I

started. The only way around this is to WRITE down the size of the

original image attributes. Make a COPY of the pattern and cut it down

to exactly the same size. THEN put the two together, but that doesn't

work if I don't know the EXACT section of the 400 by 400 I want out of

the 800 by 800!

 

The new form of WinXP Paint is useless in this regard.

 

So I'm back to, how do you prevent Paint from automatically enlarging

the original image if you wish to paste a larger mage? And throw away

the excess outside the size of your original.

 

Robert

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

I see what you're getting at now, and all I can say is that with Paint, what

you see is what you get. Not much you can do about the way it behaves.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183846054.166829.38900@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 7, 1:34 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the

>> canvas

>> you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as

>> necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you

>> *expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary

>> to

>> the way any image editor I know works.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

>

> My point is ...I told you I don't WANT all the new image, just a

> judicious amount that covers my original in a proper manner.

> I am pasting an image much larger than where it's going, so that I can

> move it around over the top of the first image and still cover the

> first image at every location. AFTER I select where I paste the

> pattern, I expect the program to shave off the excess and the

> resulting combination is the exact size as my original!

>

> NO pasting from a very large image does NOT need to enlarge where it

> goes to capture only what you want. Just because the image to be

> pasted has more pixels, I don't necessarily want all the pasted

> image.I don't want the original to change its pixel size. The canvas

> does not NEED to be enlarged. I don't WANT it enlarged. I expect it

> to ASK me which manner I prefer, and when I don't wish to enlarge the

> original, and after I place it where I want, automatically cut off the

> unwanted. Such as in the Win98 Paint program. I've gotten by for

> years using Win98 Paint with it asking me before doing.

>

> What you describe as an image editor sounds like horrific distortion

> with no control: For example, I have 400 by 400 pixels filled with

> lettering that is small, but readable when scaled for printing. I

> then paste a PATTERN that came in 800 by 800 pixels over the top of my

> letters, and ZAP the new larger resulting picture will be scaled very

> small when printed, now making my print half the size it was when I

> started. The only way around this is to WRITE down the size of the

> original image attributes. Make a COPY of the pattern and cut it down

> to exactly the same size. THEN put the two together, but that doesn't

> work if I don't know the EXACT section of the 400 by 400 I want out of

> the 800 by 800!

>

> The new form of WinXP Paint is useless in this regard.

>

> So I'm back to, how do you prevent Paint from automatically enlarging

> the original image if you wish to paste a larger mage? And throw away

> the excess outside the size of your original.

>

> Robert

>

>

[Guest V Green]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

Robert:

 

If you still have a W98 system up and running,

copy MSPAINT.EXE from it to your XP system

and see if it fixes your problem.

 

Do a System Restore first in case it screws things up.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:ei5F8tOwHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> I see what you're getting at now, and all I can say is that with Paint, what

> you see is what you get. Not much you can do about the way it behaves.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

> news:1183846054.166829.38900@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

> > On Jul 7, 1:34 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> >> And your point is? You are pasting an image that is larger than the

> >> canvas

> >> you start with in Paint. Therefore the canvas needs to be enlarged as

> >> necessary. Doesn't really matter how you measure it. Again, what do you

> >> *expect* it to do? Resize the image to fit on the canvas? That's contrary

> >> to

> >> the way any image editor I know works.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com

> >

> > My point is ...I told you I don't WANT all the new image, just a

> > judicious amount that covers my original in a proper manner.

> > I am pasting an image much larger than where it's going, so that I can

> > move it around over the top of the first image and still cover the

> > first image at every location. AFTER I select where I paste the

> > pattern, I expect the program to shave off the excess and the

> > resulting combination is the exact size as my original!

> >

> > NO pasting from a very large image does NOT need to enlarge where it

> > goes to capture only what you want. Just because the image to be

> > pasted has more pixels, I don't necessarily want all the pasted

> > image.I don't want the original to change its pixel size. The canvas

> > does not NEED to be enlarged. I don't WANT it enlarged. I expect it

> > to ASK me which manner I prefer, and when I don't wish to enlarge the

> > original, and after I place it where I want, automatically cut off the

> > unwanted. Such as in the Win98 Paint program. I've gotten by for

> > years using Win98 Paint with it asking me before doing.

> >

> > What you describe as an image editor sounds like horrific distortion

> > with no control: For example, I have 400 by 400 pixels filled with

> > lettering that is small, but readable when scaled for printing. I

> > then paste a PATTERN that came in 800 by 800 pixels over the top of my

> > letters, and ZAP the new larger resulting picture will be scaled very

> > small when printed, now making my print half the size it was when I

> > started. The only way around this is to WRITE down the size of the

> > original image attributes. Make a COPY of the pattern and cut it down

> > to exactly the same size. THEN put the two together, but that doesn't

> > work if I don't know the EXACT section of the 400 by 400 I want out of

> > the 800 by 800!

> >

> > The new form of WinXP Paint is useless in this regard.

> >

> > So I'm back to, how do you prevent Paint from automatically enlarging

> > the original image if you wish to paste a larger mage? And throw away

> > the excess outside the size of your original.

> >

> > Robert

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 4:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> Robert:

>

> If you still have a W98 system up and running,

> copy MSPAINT.EXE from it to your XP system

> and see if it fixes your problem.

>

> Do a System Restore first in case it screws things up.

 

Thank you. Hope there are no ?? to cause problems.

 

along that same vein, when I had problems with WinXP's Notepad not

acting properly, I moved over the old Win98 Notepad.exe and relabeled

it Not8pad.exe. Then, right clicked on a .txt file and changed the

properties of the .txt files to use Not8pad to open them. That has

worked fairly well.

 

Does a System Restore occur at every power on, or is it something I

have to do separately?

 

Robert

[Guest V Green]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

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> On Jul 7, 4:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> > Robert:

> >

> > If you still have a W98 system up and running,

> > copy MSPAINT.EXE from it to your XP system

> > and see if it fixes your problem.

> >

> > Do a System Restore first in case it screws things up.

>

> Thank you. Hope there are no ?? to cause problems.

>

> along that same vein, when I had problems with WinXP's Notepad not

> acting properly, I moved over the old Win98 Notepad.exe and relabeled

> it Not8pad.exe. Then, right clicked on a .txt file and changed the

> properties of the .txt files to use Not8pad to open them. That has

> worked fairly well.

>

> Does a System Restore occur at every power on, or is it something I

> have to do separately?

>

> Robert

>

 

I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can

remember.

 

Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

 

And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.

System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

 

I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software

install using System State backups.

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 5:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1183854461.628596.174890@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

> > On Jul 7, 4:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

>

> I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can

> remember.

>

> Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

>

> And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.

> System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

>

> I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software

> install using System State backups.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in

search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with

either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run

System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.

Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System

Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information

existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support

section.

 

However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me

name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's

done.

 

I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find

anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only

everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about

creating a disk ??

 

Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it

started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto

the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this

step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important

information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right

in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what

a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.

But, does it really take 5 hours?

 

Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...

Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

\Accessories

mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32

mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help

mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help

MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

 

Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old

ones work with the new?

Insert only mspaint.exe?

 

I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with

mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.

 

Robert

[Guest V Green]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

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> On Jul 7, 5:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> > "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

> >

> > news:1183854461.628596.174890@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > On Jul 7, 4:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

> >

> > I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can

> > remember.

> >

> > Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

> >

> > And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.

> > System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

> >

> > I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software

> > install using System State backups.- Hide quoted text -

> >

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in

> search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with

> either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run

> System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.

> Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System

> Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information

> existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support

> section.

>

> However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me

> name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's

> done.

>

> I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find

> anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only

> everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about

> creating a disk ??

>

> Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it

> started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto

> the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this

> step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important

> information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right

> in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what

> a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.

> But, does it really take 5 hours?

 

You don't need to put it on floppies. I just put it on the HD,

and if I'm feeling particularly cautious, move the resulting file

to a CD-R.

 

Botched software installs rarely leave the system unbootable,

so as long as you can get to the HD, you can restore the System

State.

 

I usually access it via Backup Wizard. It's on the second or third

dialog box.

>

> Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...

> Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

> \Accessories

> mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32

> mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help

> mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help

> MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

>

> Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old

> ones work with the new?

> Insert only mspaint.exe?

 

What you may need to do is what you did with Notepad.

Rename it to something else so that the OS won't find it,

decide it's not the "correct" version, and try to overwrite

it with the XP version. Check the version (Help>>About)

of Paint before & after trying.

 

You should only need the .EXE from \System32.

 

>

> I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with

> mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.

 

A-yup.

 

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Code-Curious Mom]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

Would you please let us know when you find out if the Win98 Paint thing

works ok? Although I am not about to give up the XP version, there are rare

occasions when I have missed just that same 'ask first' behavior that you

described. Thanks.

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183858324.817721.51330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 7, 5:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

>> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:1183854461.628596.174890@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Jul 7, 4:41 pm, "V Green" <van...@nowhere.net> wrote:

>>

>> I would do it seperately, and give it a name you can

>> remember.

>>

>> Start>>Accessories>>System Tools

>>

>> And while you're at it, Run Backup and do the System State.

>> System Restore often acts unpredictably, with awful results.

>>

>> I've never had a problem recovering from a botched software

>> install using System State backups.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you again. I went to the Help and Support where I typed in

> search for System Restore ...without quote marks, got everything with

> either word in it. In there it said 'go to Help and Restore to run

> System Restore Wizard. But could not find anything about it there.

> Then I just went down through index and found a heading called 'System

> Restore' when I selected Display I was told that no information

> existed regarding the subject System Display. Nice Help and Support

> section.

>

> However somehow I floundered around and did find a Wizard that had me

> name the restore point and put a time date stamp on it. So that's

> done.

>

> I went to the System Tools and found backup, but could not find

> anything about backing up state, like System State backup. Only

> everything and every document, etc etc. but that said something about

> creating a disk ??

>

> Found it! It's in advanced settings. Ouch went from 2 hr when it

> started to 5 hours estimated time. Was it trying to put 356MB onto

> the floppy? That's going to take a few floppies. May bypass this

> step. Especially since it said 'verify OFF' I stored some important

> information on a set of 21 floppies WITHOUT using verify ON and right

> in the middle was a few bits lost and ended up losing everything, what

> a waste of time. There's plenty of room to put it onto D: drive.

> But, does it really take 5 hours?

>

> Anyway, I did a search on paint and found the following 5 files...

> Paint C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

> \Accessories

> mspaint.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32

> mspaint.chm C:\WINDOWS\Help

> mspaint.hlp C:\WINDOWS\Help

> MSPAINT.EXE-11CB8631.pf C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch

>

> Do I need to bring over any of these items, too? Or, will these old

> ones work with the new?

> Insert only mspaint.exe?

>

> I'll probably get brave and just replace mspaint.exe [WinXP] with

> mspaint.exe [Win98] and see what happens.

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 7, 6:54 pm, "Code-Curious Mom" <n...@NG.invalid> wrote:

> Would you please let us know when you find out if the Win98 Paint thing

> works ok? Although I am not about to give up the XP version, there are rare

> occasions when I have missed just that same 'ask first' behavior that you

> described. Thanks.

 

Thank you. Somehow WinXP has made me feel left handed in a right

handed world with all the new automatic features, which I hate.

Notepad doesn't work right. Paint doesn't work right. Tool bar

across the bottom of the screen is uselessly organized. Can't have

single click applications along that bar, ergonomics sucks, etc etc.

 

Glad to hear you miss this feature in Paint.

 

Just tried it out...

 

This is incredible! It works! The best of both worlds!

 

I only copied mspaint.exe (336KB) from the Win98 machine over to the

WinXP system onto the E: drive where I store everything relating to

upgrading WinXP and left the WinXP's mspaint.exe (332KB) intact in C:

\WINDOWS\system32 folder

 

In preparation for the switch, I simply ran the application from the

E: drive, the screen came up the same size as the previously stored

WinXP Paint saved image. Odd, but ok. To exercise Win98 Paint, I hit

"Print Screen" and ctrl-v and got the question! and Paint didn't

change the size!

 

Before I could switch the two, I inadvertently right clicked on a .bmp

file to check something else and found that now there are 3 choices

for opening a .bmp file!!!

 

Microsoft Paint

Paint

Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer

>From matching the icons, I found that Microsoft Paint was from Win98

and Paint was from WinXP

 

Absolutely no fuss, no muss. However, there was one small quirk. I

have to leave both paint programs, because for some reason Win98 Paint

no longer has the ability to save the image in .jpg format. Don't

know why, but is ok, because whenever I need to save to .jpg format,

I'll just use WinXP Paint and save it in jpg. So far, that's all

WinXP Paint is good for.

 

Robert

[Guest Code-Curious Mom]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

Thanks for letting us know it worked.

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183863726.496103.278040@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 7, 6:54 pm, "Code-Curious Mom" <n...@NG.invalid> wrote:

>> Would you please let us know when you find out if the Win98 Paint thing

>> works ok? Although I am not about to give up the XP version, there are

>> rare

>> occasions when I have missed just that same 'ask first' behavior that you

>> described. Thanks.

>

> Thank you. Somehow WinXP has made me feel left handed in a right

> handed world with all the new automatic features, which I hate.

> Notepad doesn't work right. Paint doesn't work right. Tool bar

> across the bottom of the screen is uselessly organized. Can't have

> single click applications along that bar, ergonomics sucks, etc etc.

>

> Glad to hear you miss this feature in Paint.

>

> Just tried it out...

>

> This is incredible! It works! The best of both worlds!

>

> I only copied mspaint.exe (336KB) from the Win98 machine over to the

> WinXP system onto the E: drive where I store everything relating to

> upgrading WinXP and left the WinXP's mspaint.exe (332KB) intact in C:

> \WINDOWS\system32 folder

>

> In preparation for the switch, I simply ran the application from the

> E: drive, the screen came up the same size as the previously stored

> WinXP Paint saved image. Odd, but ok. To exercise Win98 Paint, I hit

> "Print Screen" and ctrl-v and got the question! and Paint didn't

> change the size!

>

> Before I could switch the two, I inadvertently right clicked on a .bmp

> file to check something else and found that now there are 3 choices

> for opening a .bmp file!!!

>

> Microsoft Paint

> Paint

> Windows Pictures and Fax Viewer

>

>>From matching the icons, I found that Microsoft Paint was from Win98

> and Paint was from WinXP

>

> Absolutely no fuss, no muss. However, there was one small quirk. I

> have to leave both paint programs, because for some reason Win98 Paint

> no longer has the ability to save the image in .jpg format. Don't

> know why, but is ok, because whenever I need to save to .jpg format,

> I'll just use WinXP Paint and save it in jpg. So far, that's all

> WinXP Paint is good for.

>

> Robert

>

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 8, 7:18 pm, "Code-Curious Mom" <n...@NG.invalid> wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know it worked.

>

> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1183863726.496103.278040@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

 

You are welcome.

 

One more tidbit. I couldn't find any easy way to get Win98 Paint to

open without finding it each time using explorer. until...I went to

the E:\ drive folder where mspaint.exe from Win98 was residing and

right clicked to create a shortcut. Then I renamed the shortcut

PaintWin98, then drug it onto the desktop. After only once opening

Win98 Paint by using the shortcut, this version of Paint suddenly

appeared on the start menu as PaintWin98 [the name of the shortcut]

 

So now I can easily start either version.

 

Robert

[Guest Plato]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

Robert Macy wrote:

>

> My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges

> to accept the new image.

 

Use:

 

http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm

GENERAL TOOLS

Image Editors

 

 

--

http://www.bootdisk.com/

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 8, 7:55 pm, Plato <|@|.|> wrote:

> Robert Macy wrote:

>

> > My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the image enlarges

> > to accept the new image.

>

> Use:

>

> http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm

> GENERAL TOOLS

> Image Editors

>

> --http://www.bootdisk.com/

 

Thanks for the URL. I had Irfan installed but lost it.

 

Just tried it to see how it would do for my needs.

 

TEST:

Print Screen the DeskTop.

Open a blank image made earlier, around 600 by 400.

Paste using ctrl-v, one of two things happened:

Irfan expanded the image to hold the WHOLE thing, just like WinXP

Pain now does.

or,

Irfan shrunk the image to fit into the blank field, but decimated all

the lettering to render all writing to look 'chewed' up.

 

Both, not good.

 

Conclusion for me Irfan makes a great viewer, but not so sure about

using it for editing.

 

Robert

[Guest Doug W.]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

 

"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1183953015.889175.149520@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 8, 7:55 pm, Plato <|@|.|> wrote:

>> Robert Macy wrote:

>>

>> > My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the

>> > image enlarges

>> > to accept the new image.

>>

>> Use:

>>

>> http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm

>> GENERAL TOOLS

>> Image Editors

>>

>> --http://www.bootdisk.com/

>

> Thanks for the URL. I had Irfan installed but lost it.

>

> Just tried it to see how it would do for my needs.

>

> TEST:

> Print Screen the DeskTop.

> Open a blank image made earlier, around 600 by 400.

> Paste using ctrl-v, one of two things happened:

> Irfan expanded the image to hold the WHOLE thing, just like

> WinXP

> Pain now does.

> or,

> Irfan shrunk the image to fit into the blank field, but

> decimated all

> the lettering to render all writing to look 'chewed' up.

>

> Both, not good.

>

> Conclusion for me Irfan makes a great viewer, but not so sure

> about

> using it for editing.

>

> Robert

>

-

Whatever...but it seems you are doing a lot of work to obtain

the result you want. Using an older version of Corel's

PhotoPaint, I can achieve the same result in a fraction of the

time that it must be taking you. Oh well, different strokes...as

they say.

 

Best of luck with your new/old Paint pgm.

 

Doug W.

-

[Guest Robert Macy]

Re: How to PREVENT Paint from expanding when pasting?

 

On Jul 8, 10:46 pm, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:

> "Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>

> news:1183953015.889175.149520@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

> > On Jul 8, 7:55 pm, Plato <|@|.|> wrote:

> >> Robert Macy wrote:

>

> >> > My problem is that when pasting an image to Paint, the

> >> > image enlarges

> >> > to accept the new image.

>

> >> Use:

>

> >>http://www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm

> >> GENERAL TOOLS

> >> Image Editors

>

> >> --http://www.bootdisk.com/

>

> > Thanks for the URL. I had Irfan installed but lost it.

>

> > Just tried it to see how it would do for my needs.

>

> > TEST:

> > Print Screen the DeskTop.

> > Open a blank image made earlier, around 600 by 400.

> > Paste using ctrl-v, one of two things happened:

> > Irfan expanded the image to hold the WHOLE thing, just like

> > WinXP

> > Pain now does.

> > or,

> > Irfan shrunk the image to fit into the blank field, but

> > decimated all

> > the lettering to render all writing to look 'chewed' up.

>

> > Both, not good.

>

> > Conclusion for me Irfan makes a great viewer, but not so sure

> > about

> > using it for editing.

>

> > Robert

>

> -

> Whatever...but it seems you are doing a lot of work to obtain

> the result you want. Using an older version of Corel's

> PhotoPaint, I can achieve the same result in a fraction of the

> time that it must be taking you. Oh well, different strokes...as

> they say.

>

> Best of luck with your new/old Paint pgm.

>

> Doug W.

> -- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Don't know how long Corel would take.

 

Let's see. using Paint...

Open Paint 1 second

ctrl-v 1 second

move around until happy 1 to 5 seconds

SAVE & close 1 second

 

Open using WinXP 1 second

click on print

click on

click on

click on

[ah, now you may have me. This WinXP is doggy when it comes to

printing an image, but in deference is pretty good about printing

wasted copies]

 

Corel's PhotoShop is $69.99 same price as dom perignon

Let's see....dom perignon versus Corel's PhotoShop, or keep Paint?

Paint is FREE

Corel loses.