Guest JWBDolphins Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to Register it via the online process. I run the registration wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs up with the msg: "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try registering again." The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday afternoon, all last night, and now today too. My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 support?, or is the registration web site just down for now and will be back up at some point? Thanks!
Guest thanatoid Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to > Register it via the online process. I run the registration > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. > > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs > up with the msg: > > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try > registering again." > > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. > > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now > and will be back up at some point? > > Thanks! Here's a question for YOU: WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? -- Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to reality.
Guest JWBDolphins Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "thanatoid" wrote: > =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= > <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: > > > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to > > Register it via the online process. I run the registration > > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, > > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. > > > > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs > > up with the msg: > > > > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try > > registering again." > > > > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday > > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. > > > > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE > > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 > > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now > > and will be back up at some point? > > > > Thanks! > > Here's a question for YOU: > WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let > alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? > > > -- > Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to > reality. > Good question - here's the answer (and what would be my follow-up question depending on what response I got back). I have a WinXP Home Upgrade that I want to do. I've not yet opened the box, though, because I can't return it unopened (supposedly) and it says I need a registered version of Win98 installed first. IE, save me the cost of a full-blown version of WinXP vs the Upgrade. So - if I can get Win98 registered, I should be good for the WinXP upgrade. My follow-up question is then - DO I really need to get Win98 registered to do this?, or will the WinXP Upgrade just ask to "see" the Win98 Install CD - which I obviously have - and it will then install correctly? I'm 95% sure that Will work - but before I open it, I'd like as much assurance as I can that this Will work. Otherwise I may have to go fight with Best Buy! :-)
Guest JWBDolphins Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "JWBDolphins" wrote: > > > "thanatoid" wrote: > > > =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= > > <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > > news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: > > > > > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to > > > Register it via the online process. I run the registration > > > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, > > > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. > > > > > > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs > > > up with the msg: > > > > > > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try > > > registering again." > > > > > > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday > > > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. > > > > > > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE > > > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 > > > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now > > > and will be back up at some point? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Here's a question for YOU: > > WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let > > alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? > > > > > > -- > > Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to > > reality. > > Good question - here's the answer (and what would be my follow-up question depending on what response I got back). I have a WinXP Home Upgrade that I want to do. I've not yet opened the box, though, because I can't return it once opened (supposedly) and it says I need a registered version of Win98 installed first. IE, save me the cost of a full-blown version of WinXP vs the Upgrade. So - if I can get Win98 registered, I should be good for the WinXP upgrade. My follow-up question is then - DO I really need to get Win98 registered to do this?, or will the WinXP Upgrade just ask to "see" the Win98 Install CD - which I obviously have - and it will then install correctly? I'm 95% sure that Will work - but before I open it, I'd like as much assurance as I can that this Will work. Otherwise I may have to go fight with Best Buy! :-)
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... You don't need to register the software, not even to use it as an Upgrade eligibility. Note that I do not recommend an Upgrade in place (install WinXP over Win98.) Do a "clean" install and when asked to prove eligibility, insert the Win98 installation CD. That's all you need to do. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "JWBDolphins" <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A1C8DF20-F695-4D07-BD97-F2B58E7493F9@microsoft.com... > > > "thanatoid" wrote: > >> =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= >> <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: >> >> > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to >> > Register it via the online process. I run the registration >> > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, >> > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. >> > >> > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs >> > up with the msg: >> > >> > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try >> > registering again." >> > >> > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday >> > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. >> > >> > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE >> > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 >> > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now >> > and will be back up at some point? >> > >> > Thanks! >> >> Here's a question for YOU: >> WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let >> alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? >> >> >> -- >> Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to >> reality. >> > > > Good question - here's the answer (and what would be my follow-up question > depending on what response I got back). I have a WinXP Home Upgrade that > I > want to do. I've not yet opened the box, though, because I can't return > it > unopened (supposedly) and it says I need a registered version of Win98 > installed first. IE, save me the cost of a full-blown version of WinXP vs > the Upgrade. So - if I can get Win98 registered, I should be good for the > WinXP upgrade. > > My follow-up question is then - DO I really need to get Win98 registered > to > do this?, or will the WinXP Upgrade just ask to "see" the Win98 Install > CD - > which I obviously have - and it will then install correctly? I'm 95% sure > that Will work - but before I open it, I'd like as much assurance as I can > that this Will work. Otherwise I may have to go fight with Best Buy! :-)
Guest glee Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... Registration is and always was optional. I have never seen an upgrade that required a registered product. You need a licensed product, but that has nothing to do with registering. I doubt the Win98 registration process works any longer. It is no longer a supported operating system, so registration would not serve any purpose any longer AFAIK. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "JWBDolphins" <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A1C8DF20-F695-4D07-BD97-F2B58E7493F9@microsoft.com... > > > "thanatoid" wrote: > >> =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= >> <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >> news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: >> >> > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to >> > Register it via the online process. I run the registration >> > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, >> > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. >> > >> > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs >> > up with the msg: >> > >> > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try >> > registering again." >> > >> > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday >> > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. >> > >> > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE >> > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 >> > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now >> > and will be back up at some point? >> > >> > Thanks! >> >> Here's a question for YOU: >> WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let >> alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? >> >> >> -- >> Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to >> reality. >> > > > Good question - here's the answer (and what would be my follow-up question > depending on what response I got back). I have a WinXP Home Upgrade that I > want to do. I've not yet opened the box, though, because I can't return it > unopened (supposedly) and it says I need a registered version of Win98 > installed first. IE, save me the cost of a full-blown version of WinXP vs > the Upgrade. So - if I can get Win98 registered, I should be good for the > WinXP upgrade. > > My follow-up question is then - DO I really need to get Win98 registered to > do this?, or will the WinXP Upgrade just ask to "see" the Win98 Install CD - > which I obviously have - and it will then install correctly? I'm 95% sure > that Will work - but before I open it, I'd like as much assurance as I can > that this Will work. Otherwise I may have to go fight with Best Buy! :-)
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 8, 2007 Posted July 8, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... You probably hit the nail on the head there, Glen. The requirement is that the copy of 98 be properly licensed, not registered. Proper license simply means that you legitimately own the copy, that it's a legitimate copy, and that you use it in accordance with the EULA. No interaction with MS is required. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:%239W3EUZwHHA.4592@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Registration is and always was optional. I have never seen an upgrade > that required a registered product. You need a licensed product, but that > has nothing to do with registering. > > I doubt the Win98 registration process works any longer. It is no longer > a supported operating system, so registration would not serve any purpose > any longer AFAIK. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "JWBDolphins" <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A1C8DF20-F695-4D07-BD97-F2B58E7493F9@microsoft.com... >> >> >> "thanatoid" wrote: >> >>> =?Utf-8?B?SldCRG9scGhpbnM=?= >>> <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >>> news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com: >>> >>> > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to >>> > Register it via the online process. I run the registration >>> > wizard, fill out all the info, regwiz dials microsoft, >>> > authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN Site. >>> > >>> > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs >>> > up with the msg: >>> > >>> > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try >>> > registering again." >>> > >>> > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday >>> > afternoon, all last night, and now today too. >>> > >>> > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE >>> > registrations?, did that go away with the dropping of Win98 >>> > support?, or is the registration web site just down for now >>> > and will be back up at some point? >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> >>> Here's a question for YOU: >>> WHY bother registering ANYTHING from ANY software company let >>> alone a no-longer supported product from someone like Microsoft? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to >>> reality. >>> >> >> >> Good question - here's the answer (and what would be my follow-up >> question >> depending on what response I got back). I have a WinXP Home Upgrade that >> I >> want to do. I've not yet opened the box, though, because I can't return >> it >> unopened (supposedly) and it says I need a registered version of Win98 >> installed first. IE, save me the cost of a full-blown version of WinXP >> vs >> the Upgrade. So - if I can get Win98 registered, I should be good for >> the >> WinXP upgrade. >> >> My follow-up question is then - DO I really need to get Win98 registered >> to >> do this?, or will the WinXP Upgrade just ask to "see" the Win98 Install >> CD - >> which I obviously have - and it will then install correctly? I'm 95% >> sure >> that Will work - but before I open it, I'd like as much assurance as I >> can >> that this Will work. Otherwise I may have to go fight with Best Buy! >> :-) >
Guest MEB Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "JWBDolphins" <JWBDolphins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1C162EFE-F66E-4140-871A-6503F229E1D3@microsoft.com... | I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to Register it via | the online process. I run the registration wizard, fill out all the info, | regwiz dials microsoft, authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN | Site. | | At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs up with the msg: | | "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try registering | again." | | The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday afternoon, all | last night, and now today too. | | My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE registrations?, did | that go away with the dropping of Win98 support?, or is the registration web | site just down for now and will be back up at some point? | | Thanks! | | I suppose the reason no one has answered is that no one knows how to exactly answer that question without opening the door to the people who will point to this as some form of authorization to pirate the OS.. The registration process for 98 has ended as far as I know. As you note, support ended. If you bought a legal copy, then the EULA still binds you to the law as effectively as it did when it was supported. The EULA would also bind you even without a legal copy since you unlawfully installed it. Though support ended, the EULA never will unless legally retracted by Microsoft [and agreed to by the other parties]. If you're actually interested in whether you have a legal product, search for 98 downloads on Microsoft Downloads Center for ones requiring Genuine Advantage to download. Instead of clicking the *Verify Now* button, right click on the button to download the file [GenuineCheck.exe]. Another way to obtain the file is to click the button [while Explorer is open to Temporary Internet Files, and "catch"/copy the file, while the file is there, and copy to another folder]. Install/run the file after you download it, highlight the verification number [copy to clipboard], shutdown the IE browser [to allow the ActiveX to install and Genuine Check to run] restart the browser, go that page again, click *Verify Now*, paste the code into it, and it will check for validity. If you try to do so directly from the page without using this technique, it will pop-up as an unsupported product. Doing it this way pops-up the Thank You and the ability to sign up for Genuine Advantage extras, which no longer apply to your product, and to download the file/update. [For those suggesting Microsoft does know or can't check the legality of your product, this will verify one way in which Microsoft can.]. As for what to do generally: You will need IE 5.01 {at least, some say 5.5} installed to access WindowsUpdate. Go to WindowsUpdate and update the product, or otherwise update the product to the extent you need. Pay particular attention to the system file updates [many of which may not be found on WindowsUpdate] and PARTICULARLY IE 6 updates if you intend to attempt using it. Just be glad you have Win98 and not XP or VISTA, when support ends there will apparently be no legal way to activate the product, should it be necessary to do so. And for the interested, here are key elements from Gary Terhune's [MVP] [re-posted without his permission though I'm sure he won't mind] exploration into the updates issues for 98FE/Gold and SE [when was that? January 2006?]: WINDOWS 98 UPDATES part 1 Several people have asked recently about various Windows Updates. Like how many have been issued since the Windows Updates Security CD was released, how many of Win98 Gold's patches were subsumed into Win98SE, etc. There are two major difficulties in this experiment. First, you can't get to Windows Updates using Win98 Gold right out of the box. It requires a minimum of IE 5.01; secondly, Internet Explorer is further an issue because which updates you are offered depends in great part on what version of IE you have installed. But it's very difficult to say, "Ignore the IE Updates and only focus on the non-IE updates," since IE is an integral part of Windows 9x, especially since the advent of IE 5. A similar issue applies to Windows Media Player. In a similar vein, many updates that were previously offered to Win98 users have been made obsolete by newer versions. For instance, there is no IE 5 version of any kind offered at Windows Updates these days, only IE6SP1. Thus, the only IE Updates I see before installing IE 6.1 are those offered to IE 5.01. In short, there are no simple answers to the questions posed -- no single answer to the question, "How many updates (and which) were offered to Win98 Gold that were subsumed into Win98SE," because SE included IE 5.01 and WMP 6.4 (I think), thus obviating all IE4 and earlier WMP updates. So, I will do my best to chronicle and document the steps I'm taking and let others decide what's important to them. Note: I did *not* return to the bad old days and peruse the Corporate Updates site for pre-IE5 Updates. Someone else can do that. I do recall at one time being an expert jockey of said site, but my mind is fragile these days... First thing I did was to install Windows 98 Gold (MSDN version which is essentially the same as retail.) I installed all optional components. I then installed Service Pack 1, which includes the following: --Both Y2K Updates --Active Accessibility update --Q189591 Computer Does Not Resume To Recognize USB Device From Standby --Q222600 Bulk Transfer URLs Can Specify More Than 64 Bytes --Q220586 Computer with Plug and Play Network Adapter Is Not Found (only affects Win98 systems that were upgraded from Win95) --Q178979 System Policy to Require Validation by Network May Not Work --Q216641 Computer Hangs After 49.7 Days --Q216565 New Dialing Rules for Spain and Italy Require TAPI Update I did *not* install any Service Packs for IE 4.1 or patches depending on IE4 or it's SPs. Q234680, for instance, is a patch to OE 4SP2. I then installed IE 5.01, all optional components selected except specific languages in the Multi-language section. Now I'm able to access Windows Updates. Upon doing so, there are seven Optional and 20 Critical Updates offered. One, of course, is IE6SP1. In earlier times, that one would have been some earlier version of IE. (Note: The Criticals list is mostly in reverse chronological order because that's the way Windows Updates lists them.) -----Optional Components----- --DirectX 9.0c End-User Runtime --Registration Wizard Update --Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1 --Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 --Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update --Euro Conversion Tool --Agent 2.0 --------Critical Updates-------- --IE6.1 Note: Because this is offered, no other updates for IE 5.01 are offered. --Security Update, February 14, 2002 (note: this is MS02-009) --Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711) --Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781) --823559: Security Update for Microsoft Windows --816093: Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM) --814078: Security Update (Microsoft JScript version 5.1, Windows 98 and Windows NT 4.0) --Q329414: Security Update (MDAC 2.1) --Q329115: Security Update (Windows 98) --Windows Share Level Password Update --Q323172 Security Update (Windows 98) --Q323255 Security Update (Windows 98) --Security Update, May 19, 2000 (note: this is MS00-029) --Security Update, March 17, 2000 (note: this is MS00-017) --Q320920 Security Update (Windows Media Player 6.4) --Security Update 2, November 29, 1999 (note: this is MS99-052 --Security Update November 12, 1999 (note: this is MS99-049) --Security Update March 7, 1999 (note: the Security Bulletin for this was updated to MS02-14) --Security Update November 20, 2001 (note: this is MS01-056) --Security Update April 2, 2001 (note: this is MS01-017) Next, without installing any of the above Updates, I installed the Microsoft Windows Security Update CD. Upon returning to Windows Updates, I discover the following: Optional Updates: The same seven optional updates are offered as before. While the Security CD included DirectX9, it wasn't the latest version, DirectX 9.0c. An additional thirty-four Updates are offered, all of them Language Support. Critical Updates: 10 are offered, of which --905915 (IE 6.1) --837009 (OE 6.1) --833989 (IE 6.1) --908519 (a recently discovered networking issue, "Embedded Web Font Vulnerability", that affects all 9x and NT systems.) --904706 (DX 9) --896358 (HTML Help vulnerability) --888113 (Hyperlink Object Library vuln.) --891711 (Cursor & Icon Format vuln.) --891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX vuln.) --816093 (Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine) That last one for VM is the only one remaining from the previous list. The rest are either more recently discovered vulnerabilities or are patches to the software installed by the Security CD. I then installed all ten Critical Updates. Upon returning to Windows Updates, no further Critical Updates are offered. The same seven optional Updates are offered. I then installed DirectX 9.0c (which must be installed separately.) Upon returning to Windows Updates, no further Critical Updates were offered. I proceeded to install the remaining six Optional Updates. Returning to Windows Updates yet again, I find two additional Critical Updates. --873374 (GDI+ Detection Tool -- Why I wasn't offered this earlier, I don't know.) --.NET Framework SP1 I installed both, and ran the GDI+ Detection tool. It seemed to say that I had some kind of vulnerability, but I found no useful remedies, nor am I sure what app it was flagging. This is a clean install. Anyway, after installing the .NET Framework SP1, that was it. No more Updates offered. Now, there remains at least one variation to try: What happens when I install the Security CD right after installing WIn98. Are *all* of the earlier issues I patched with most of Windows 98 Service Pack 1 covered? Furthermore, there is WIn98SE to research, and finally, we'll see if we can positively identify the specific patches from Win98 Gold that were subsumed into SE -- besides the IE-specific ones. Stay tuned... -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User WINDOWS 98SE PART 2 update cycle OK, here's the results from Windows 98SE. I first clean-installed Win98SE (MSDN), installed a couple of drivers, then visited Windows Updates. Here's what I found: Optional Updates (8): --DirectX 9.0c --Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 --Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update --Euro Conversion Tool --Agent 2.0 --Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package (Win98SE-specific) --Mapped Drives Shutdown Update --Media Player 9 Series Critical Updates (14): --IE 6 SP1 --Security Update, September 7, 1999 (MS99-032, the so-called "eyedog" patch.) --891711 (Cursor & Icon Format) --891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX Control) --816093 (MS Virtual Machine) --Q329414 (MDAC 2.1) --Share Level Password vuln. --Q323255 (MS00-029Unchecked Buffer in HTML Help) --MS99-049 IP Fragment Reassembly patch --Security Update, March 7, 2002 (MS02-014 Unchecked buffer in Windows Shell) --Security Update, April 2, 2001 (MS01-017 Erroneous Verisign spoofing vuln) --Security Update, March 17, 2000 (MS00-017) --Security Update November 29, 1999 (MS99-038 Spoofed pointer and Fragmented IGMP package) At this point, I installed IE 6SP1, to see if any of the other Updates were also taken care of. Optional Updates (not including Language Packs) (9, not including Language packs) To the previous list, add .NET Framework. Not sure why this wasn't offered last time, unless it has to do with the version of IE (see below.) Critical Updates (22): --905915 (Cumulative Update for IE 6SP1) --837009 (Cumulative Update for OE 6SP1) --833989 (MS04-028 IE 6SP1 Buffer Overrun in JPEG Processing -- GDI+) --908519 (MS06-002 Embedded Web Fonts vuln) --896358 (MS05-026 HTML Help vuln.) --888113 (MS05-015 Hyperlink Object Library vuln.) --891711 (MS05-002 Cursor & Icon Format vuln.) --891781 (MS05-013 DHTML Editing Component ActiveX Control vuln.) --823559 (MS03-023 Buffer Overrun in HTML converter vuln.) --816093 (MS03-011 Microsoft VM vuln.) --814078 (MS03-008 JScript 5.6 update) --Q329414 (MSDAC 2.1 Update) --Q329115 (Certificate Validation Flaw...) --Windows Share Level Password Update --Q323172 (Flaw in Digital Cert. Enrollment Component) --Q323255 (Unchecked buffer in HTML Help) --Security Update, May 19, 2000 (IP Fragment Reassembly issue) --Security Update November 12, 1999 (File Access URL vuln.) --Security Update, March 7, 2002 (MS02-014 Unchecked buffer in Windows Shell) --Security Update, March 17, 2000 (MS00-017 DOS Device in Path Name vuln.) --Security Update 1, November 29, 1999 (MS99-038 Spoofed Route Pointer and Fragmented IGMP Packet) --811630 (Puts HTML Help into Restricted Zone) It would appear that only the following two patches from pre-IE6 installation were made unnecessary by first upgrading to IE 6SP1: --Security Update, September 7, 1999 (MS99-032, the so-called "eyedog" patch.) --Security Update, April 2, 2001 (MS01-017 Erroneous Verisign spoofing vuln) OK, so I installed all of the above patches. Went back to Windows Update and was offered the following Critical Updates: --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) --904706 (MS05-050 DirectX 9.0c patch) --.NET Framework Service Pack 1) --GDI+ detection tool I installed all four, though the GDI+ Detection tool still frustrated me until I figured out that whenever I've run into this during this experiment, the GDI+ Detection tool ran before the .NET Framework SP1 was installed, and that pre-SP1 .NET Framework is apparently one of the products that is susceptible to the GDI+ vulnerability. I'll remember to install the SP1 *before* running the Detection tool next time. See if that fixes things. Anyway, I went back to Windows Updates and no more Updates were offered. Next on my list is to once again clean-install both OSes and then immediately apply the entire Security Updates CD to each, then see what remains to be gotten. Last of all, I'll discuss the various questions that prompted this experiment in the first place. Once again, I must point out that innumerable patches/updates were not part of this experiment since they have earlier versions of DirectX, IE and WMP as their prerequisites, versions which are no longer available. Yes, I could sort through my MSDN and TechNet stuff and probably come up with a month-by-month chronology of Updates, but I'm not going to. I'm just not that bored. WINDOWS UPDATES PART 3 OK, in the first two parts of this thread, I went through the currently available progression of Updates available at Windows Updates for Windows 98 Gold and for Windows 98 Second Edition. I then went back and clean-installed both OSes (I'm using separate partitions), including all optional components in both cases. I then immediately ran the Windows Security Updates CD on each. (Noting that the default installation of IE 6 SP1 includes all optional components except Language support and Additional Web Fonts. I added in the Web Fonts option afterwards. I then went to Windows Updates and noted which Updates are offered.) -----------------Windows 98 Gold------------- ---Optional Updates--- --DirectX 9.0c End-User Runtime --Registration Wizard Update --Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1 --Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 --Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update --Euro Conversion Tool --Agent 2.0 ---Critical Updates--- --905915 (IE 6.1) --837009 (OE 6.1) --833989 (IE 6.1) --908519 (a recently discovered networking issue, "Embedded Web Font Vulnerability", that affects all 9x and NT systems.) --904706 (DX 9) --896358 (HTML Help vulnerability) --888113 (Hyperlink Object Library vuln.) --891711 (Cursor & Icon Format vuln.) --891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX vuln.) --816093 (Security Update for Microsoft Virtual Machine) (Note that this is exactly the same list that I obtained during my first experiment with Win98 Gold, indicating that none of the earlier updates I'd installed before running the Security Updates CD are not covered by that CD.) After installing the above Optional and Critical Updates, the following were made available. After installing them, no more Updates are offered. -----Windows 98 Second Edition----- ---Optional Updates--- --DirectX 9.0c --.NET Framework version 1.1 --Windows Critical Update Notification 4.0 --Internet Explorer Navigation Sound Update --Euro Conversion Tool --Agent 2.0 --Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package (Win98SE-specific) --Mapped Drives Shutdown Update A slight change here from the previous experiment. .NET Framework is offered because IE6 was installed by the SecUp CD. However, WMP 9 is no longer offered because it was installed by the Updates CD. ---Critical Updates (11) --- --905915 (Cumulative Update for IE 6SP1) --837009 (Cumulative Update for OE 6SP1) --833989 (MS04-028 IE 6SP1 Buffer Overrun in JPEG Processing -- GDI+) --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) --908519 (MS06-002 Embedded Web Fonts vuln) (Note: There's a typo in Part 2 that lists this as 908510. Should be 908519) --904706 (DX 9.0c Patch) --896358 (MS05-026 HTML Help vuln.) --888113 (MS05-015 Hyperlink Object Library vuln.) --891711 (Cursor & Icon Format) --891781 (DHTML Editing Component ActiveX Control) --816093 (MS Virtual Machine) After installing the above Optional and Critical Updates, the following were made available. After installing them, no more Updates are offered. --.NET 1.1 Update --GDI+ Detection Tool (Note: Installing the .NET Framework patch did not stop the GDI+ Detection Tool from suggesting that something on the machine might be vulnerable. So I still don't know what it might be referring to unless it's still the .NET Framework (even though patched) or Paint or FrontPage Express. Note that in neither OS are any additional Optional (Recommended) Updates made available after installing the Security Updates CD. IOW, it has no effect at all. Yes, the SecUp CD installs a DX9.0 version, but not version 9.0c, thus it isn't removed from the list by installing the CD. However, in the case of Windows 98SE, WMP 9 is installed by the SecUp CD and is thus removed from the Optional (Recommended) list. The latest version of WMP that can be installed to Win98 Gold is WMP 7, and that is installed by the SecUp CD, but strangely enough, it is never offered at Windows Updates, presumably because no version of WMP was installed during the original installation so no "update" is available. OK, we'll come back and discuss whatever needs to be discussed tomorrow. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> UPDATE TO UPDATES 3 Note: In the previous, Part 3 of this series, I inadvertently left out some of the final data on Win98 Gold -- what happens after I install all of the Updates that are offered after installing the Security Update CD. There were no surprises. On that last visit to Windows Updates, the patch to .Net Framework, the GDI+ Detection Tool were the last items offered. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User CONTINUED WITH IE 5.01 OK, I ran into that Windows Updates error (0x80072F89) with a clean install of SE, just like the last three times (but not the first two times). But, I installed IE 5.01 (v 5.00.3105.0106) and that let me into WU. *Now* what I show is nine Optional (aka Recommended) Updates because this version now accepts .NET Framework 1.1. And *twenty* Critical Updates! I won't bother to list the Optionals again, but here's the twenty: X--IE 6 SP1 --Security Update February 14, 2002 (IE 5.01) X--891711 X--891781 --823559 (MS03-023 Buffer Overrun in HTML Converter) X--816093 (MS Virtual Machine) --814078 (MS03-008, JScript 5.1) X--Q329414 (MDAC 2.1) --Q329115 (Certification Validation Flaw Could Enable Identity Spoofing) X--Windows Share Level Password Update --Q323172 (Flaw in Digital Certificate Enrollment) X--Q323255 (Unchecked Buffer in HTML Help) Note: I misidentified this as MS00-029 in the previous X--Security Update, May 19, 2000 (MS00-029 IP Fragment Reassembly flaw) --Q320920 (Updated WMP 6.4 Cumulative patch) --Security Update, November 12, 1999 (File Access URL) X--Security Update, March 7, 2002 (Unchecked Buffer in Windows Shell) --Security Update, November 20, 2001 (WMP 6.4 .ASF Processor contains an unchecked buffer) X--Security Update, April 2, 2001 (Erroneous VeriSign-issued Certificates Pose Spoofing Hazard) X--Security Update, March 17, 2000 (DOS Device in Path Name) X--Security Update, November 29, 1999 (Spoofed Route Pointer and Fragmented IGMP Packet) The "Eyedog" patch of Sept. 7, 1999 is no longer offered, as it was for a clean install of SE. As noted above, I've made mistakes in previous posts. I think I'm going to have to do this again, probably put the results on my website. I got flustered by errors at Windows Updates and by other life events. I *think* the item that was missing from the previous list of Updates made available right after a clean install of 98SE is the "November 12, 1999, File Access URL" issue, or possibly Q323172. ______ Thanks again for the work Gary, as you can see, it was appreciated... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest MEB Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... Well I see that information really wasn't what was wanted, so much for the attempt AND the late post [forgot to upload earlier] -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest JWBDolphins Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 RE: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "JWBDolphins" wrote: > I installed Windows 98 SE yesterday and have been trying to Register it via > the online process. I run the registration wizard, fill out all the info, > regwiz dials microsoft, authenticates on the network, and connects to the MSN > Site. > > At which point it sits for a few minutes and finally hangs up with the msg: > > "The Microsoft Registration web site is currently busy, try registering > again." > > The problem is - I've received this message all yesterday afternoon, all > last night, and now today too. > > My Question is - Is Msft currently allowing Win98SE registrations?, did > that go away with the dropping of Win98 support?, or is the registration web > site just down for now and will be back up at some point? > > Thanks! > > Thanks to all for all the great information and clarifications! The licensed copy of Win98 worked and I now have WinXP on that PC. Thanks again!!
Guest thanatoid Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in news:#4xCtYcwHHA.4796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > And for the interested, here are key elements <SNIP endless update info> That IS a lot of very useful and painstakingly assembled information (I saved it, thank you) but it's also a pretty damn good invitation to switch to Linux! -- Any mental activity is easy if it need not be subjected to reality.
Guest John Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the past a patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc.
Guest MEB Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:%23MXgFsjwHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) | | You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). | | Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the past a | patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 (MS06-005 | Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc. | Ah, I'd hoped someone else would answer, I didn't install the player this last install,,, but now I have [dang], okay the base install does... have to go to updates and see what's offered and see what kills it.. BTW, did you ever monitor the player with your firewall? Had about 3 dozen pop-ups from the prog... Back later with the info I guess...
Guest MEB Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uF%232lOtwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | | "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message | news:%23MXgFsjwHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) | | | | You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). | | | | Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the past | a | | patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 (MS06-005 | | Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc. | | | | | Ah, I'd hoped someone else would answer, I didn't install the player this | last install,,, but now I have [dang], okay the base install does... have to | go to updates and see what's offered and see what kills it.. | | BTW, did you ever monitor the player with your firewall? Had about 3 dozen | pop-ups from the prog... | | Back later with the info I guess... | | Okay then, nothing offered but the Flash update [have other flash installed], so the media player update WAS really applied already, even without *authorizing* Media Player use... so from a fresh base install with the updates, Media Guide worked [except for the dang firewall pop-ups] Here's the last installation history [after applying the Sec CD] which includes the rest of the updates beyond Gary's Jan-Feb 2005 presentation [ Also VERIFIED per a prior discussion, the root certificates are NOT updated.]: Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Update, December 22, 1999 Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Mapped Drives Shutdown Update Read more... Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package Read more... Web site Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update, February 13, 2002 (MSXML 2.6) Read more... Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 816093: Security Update Microsoft Virtual Machine (Microsoft VM) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool (KB873374) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB888113) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB896358) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for DirectX 9 (KB904706) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB908519) Web site Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Microsoft Data Access Components 2.8 (KB911562) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows ME (KB917734) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB833989) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 (KB837009) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) Web site Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439) Web site -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest John Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... Thanks for all the info. I've been tempted to take this ME system back to OOBE. Actually, I then need to apply the XP upgrade I have waiting but I didn't want to lose 768kbps capture in MovieMaker. Now I know I can still have it. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eO9XHitwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:uF%232lOtwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | > | "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > | news:%23MXgFsjwHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | | --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) > | | > | | You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). > | | > | | Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the > past > | a > | | patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 > (MS06-005 > | | Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc. > | | > | > | > | Ah, I'd hoped someone else would answer, I didn't install the player this > | last install,,, but now I have [dang], okay the base install does... have > to > | go to updates and see what's offered and see what kills it.. > | > | BTW, did you ever monitor the player with your firewall? Had about 3 > dozen > | pop-ups from the prog... > | > | Back later with the info I guess... > | > | > > Okay then, nothing offered but the Flash update [have other flash > installed], so the media player update WAS really applied already, even > without *authorizing* Media Player use... so from a fresh base install with > the updates, Media Guide worked [except for the dang firewall pop-ups] > > Here's the last installation history [after applying the Sec CD] which > includes the rest of the updates beyond Gary's Jan-Feb 2005 presentation [ > Also VERIFIED per a prior discussion, the root certificates are NOT > updated.]: > > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Update, December 22, 1999 Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Mapped Drives Shutdown Update > Read more... Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package > Read more... Web site > Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) Web > site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update, February 13, 2002 (MSXML > 2.6) > Read more... Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 816093: Security Update Microsoft Virtual > Machine (Microsoft VM) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool (KB873374) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB888113) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB896358) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for DirectX 9 (KB904706) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB908519) > Web site > Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) Web > site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Microsoft Data Access > Components 2.8 (KB911562) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 > for Windows 98 and Windows ME (KB917734) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547) > Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 > Service Pack 1 (KB833989) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Outlook > Express 6 Service Pack 1 (KB837009) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Internet > Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) Web site > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 > Service Pack 1 (KB918439) Web site > > > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ > >
Guest John Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... Forgot to mention, I don't have a software firewall to monitor. I've never had popups from WMP and the Media Guide. I'm behind a router with NAT, for what it's worth. The clean install I did last month was 98SE on a rummage sale purchase. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uF%232lOtwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > news:%23MXgFsjwHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) > | > | You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). > | > | Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the past > a > | patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 (MS06-005 > | Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc. > | > > > Ah, I'd hoped someone else would answer, I didn't install the player this > last install,,, but now I have [dang], okay the base install does... have to > go to updates and see what's offered and see what kills it.. > > BTW, did you ever monitor the player with your firewall? Had about 3 dozen > pop-ups from the prog... > > Back later with the info I guess... > >
Guest MEB Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Unable to Register Win98SE online... "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:OvT4IYwwHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | Thanks for all the info. I've been tempted to take this ME system back to | OOBE. Actually, I then need to apply the XP upgrade I have waiting but I | didn't want to lose 768kbps capture in MovieMaker. Now I know I can still | have it. | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:eO9XHitwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > news:uF%232lOtwHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | | > | "John" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message | > | news:%23MXgFsjwHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch) | > | | | > | | You installed --911565 (MS06-005 Media Player 9 patch). | > | | | > | | Does the Media Guide tab in WMP still take you to the guide? In the | > past | > | a | > | | patch to WMP has broken Media Guide so I didn't install --911565 | > (MS06-005 | > | | Media Player 9 patch) last month when I did a clean install etc. | > | | | > | | > | | > | Ah, I'd hoped someone else would answer, I didn't install the player | this | > | last install,,, but now I have [dang], okay the base install does... | have | > to | > | go to updates and see what's offered and see what kills it.. | > | | > | BTW, did you ever monitor the player with your firewall? Had about 3 | > dozen | > | pop-ups from the prog... | > | | > | Back later with the info I guess... | > | | > | | > | > Okay then, nothing offered but the Flash update [have other flash | > installed], so the media player update WAS really applied already, even | > without *authorizing* Media Player use... so from a fresh base install | with | > the updates, Media Guide worked [except for the dang firewall pop-ups] | > | > Here's the last installation history [after applying the Sec CD] which | > includes the rest of the updates beyond Gary's Jan-Feb 2005 presentation [ | > Also VERIFIED per a prior discussion, the root certificates are NOT | > updated.]: | > | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Update, December 22, 1999 Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Mapped Drives Shutdown Update | > Read more... Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package | > Read more... Web site | > Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) | Web | > site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update, February 13, 2002 (MSXML | > 2.6) | > Read more... Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 816093: Security Update Microsoft Virtual | > Machine (Microsoft VM) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool (KB873374) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891781) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB891711) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB888113) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB896358) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for DirectX 9 (KB904706) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB908519) | > Web site | > Failed Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) | Web | > site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Microsoft Data Access | > Components 2.8 (KB911562) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows Media Player | 9 | > for Windows 98 and Windows ME (KB917734) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547) | > Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 | > Service Pack 1 (KB833989) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Outlook | > Express 6 Service Pack 1 (KB837009) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Cumulative Security Update for Internet | > Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) Web site | > Successful Friday, June 15, 2007 Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 | > Service Pack 1 (KB918439) Web site | > | > | > | > -- | > MEB Just remember this: Each system may perform differently depending upon other software and configurations. AND make sure you install a firewall on that SE system [actually any OS/version]. I use Kerio PFW [last free version] and monitor ALL activity [which also catches attempts to circumvent/shut-off the firewall], though that is usually more information than the common user needs [in addition to several other monitoring and sniffing progs]. http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/spyware.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/certs_install.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/firewalls.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/antivirus.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
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