Guest Kevin Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP user. Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware problems etc.? Thanks
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Kevin wrote: > I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a > current XP user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, > Hardware problems etc.? All that depends on you, your needs and your hardware/software. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Plato Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Kevin wrote: > > I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP > user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? Best to wait intil Vista2, or in you want to use a new game that requires Vista and DirectX10. -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest Vanguard Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "Kevin" wrote in message news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista?
Guest Plato Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Vanguard wrote: > > "Kevin" wrote in message > news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > > problems etc.? > > So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista? One only needs to upgrade to the newest MS OS if the programs they want to use require it. -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest BigJim Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista no "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? > > Thanks >
Guest Not Me Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Only if you absolutely NEED it or have to support it. I have used Vista since before they changed the name; Beta, RC and RTM versions. I have Ultimate on one PC out of 11 in my house... and on zero of 250 PCs at work. It works fine for me (on a PC built just for Vista, with all compatible hardware), but I don't like the interface or the AOL style "let us protect you from yourself" User Access Control (UAC) interruptions. If you turn off UAC, it breaks other things. To me, that was a BIG MISTAKE!! by MS. They did the same garbage in Vista as in IE7; reduced the ability to customize and force hacks & third party software to make it even remotely resemble something I want to use on a daily basis. Maybe you like Tabs, I don't. I uninstalled Tabworks from W3.1 and haven't looked back, why would MS bring something like that back now? Firefox envy? I turn their tabs off too. The 'ribbon' in Office should be woven into a rope & used to hang the programmers. After seeing what MS released to manufacturing, I decided to extend the replacement cycle of the PCs on our network at least one additional year to avoid Vista in it's present form. I have converted most of the P3/NT4/W2K machines to Linux. The P4s that came with XP will continue to use it. If MS doesn't do a major 'fix' of Vista, the P4s will stay online as Linux machines and no Vista systems will be added. Those are my opinions; others seem to be in love with Vista and sing it's praises. I'm happy for those who like Vista; but personally disappointed with what MS claims is the future of computing. I've seen a lot of changes since I started computing in 1970. Almost all of them I could see the improvements & reasoning behind them. Change is a fact of life in all aspects of life, but there needs to be a value to changes in software. With Vista, all I see is eye candy & a 'you can't/don't want to do that' interface. AOL grew to be pretty big doing that with their software, but as users matured, they moved away from it in droves. Why MS decided to follow that path is a mystery to me. I think they missed their foot and shot themselves in the head with this pig they call Vista. "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? > > Thanks >
Guest Phisherman Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote: >I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >user. > >Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? No. >Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware >problems etc.? Wait at least until the next major service pack is released. But, my personal preference is not to install Vista at all, as there are few benefits for an expensive upgrade. Some components may not work. Besides, who really wants to slow their machine down?
Guest +Bob+ Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:34:28 -0600, "Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net> wrote: >AOL grew to be pretty big doing that with their software, but as users >matured, they moved away from it in droves. >Why MS decided to follow that path is a mystery to me. >I think they missed their foot and shot themselves in the head with this pig >they call Vista. MS just doesn't get it. They keep trying to dumb down the desktop software. But, the people who didn't get it before still don't get it. The people who did get it are just getting aggravated at how difficult it is to do anything with each new release. Oh that... and they need to sell new software, whether or not there's a need for new software. Lest we forget, they also have a quest underway to dominate a lot more than the software industry, and things like Vista's entertainment-ware are part of that evolutionary plan.
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Kevin wrote: > I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP > user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? Why? Just to have the "newest and shiniest OS?" If your current operating system is meeting all of your computing needs, there's no real reason to change your operating system. > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? > How old is the computer you're thinking of upgrading? Have you run Vista's Upgrade Adviser to get a feel (it's not 100% foolproof) for what, if anything, will need to be done to get Vista to run on the system? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest HeyBub Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Kevin wrote: > I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a > current XP user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? > From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to upgrade to Vista. The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness on your machine.
Guest Brian Cryer Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? We bought a new laptop for one of our sales consultants. I spec'd it so it should have been the fastest laptop in our company ... but I made the mistake of specifying vista rather than xp. The result is that it has a super hardware spec but crawls ... So, if you want your pc to run slower than it does now, then yes its a good time to upgrade to vista. Frankly other than a new look interface (some of which is nice) it sucks compared to XP. Sorry Microsoft. -- Brian Cryer http://www.cryer.co.uk/brian
Guest Panic Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista It will help your decision if you run the Vista Upgrade Advisor. Run it when all your computer gadgets are powered. It will report on whether your peripherals and programs can handle Vista. In my case my scanner won't work in Vista and my media card would need to be upgraded. See http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote in message news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? > > Thanks >
Guest Doug W. Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e9u%23FMkwHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Kevin wrote: >> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I >> am a >> current XP user. >> >> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? >> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, >> Hardware >> problems etc.? >> > > From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to > upgrade to Vista. > > The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness > on your machine. > I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS. - Doug W. -
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote: > I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP > user. > > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > problems etc.? I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't all be the same. Here's my view: First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are many problems with it. Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply "Vista." But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not just because there is a new version available. Are you having a problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest? If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Bob I Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista Doug W. wrote: > > "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:e9u%23FMkwHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> Kevin wrote: >> >>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a >>> current XP user. >>> >>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? >>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware >>> problems etc.? >>> >> >> From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone to upgrade >> to Vista. >> >> The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness on your >> machine. >> > I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS. > - > Doug W. > - > As long as it isn't Version 4!
Guest Terry R. Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista On 7/9/2007 11:41 AM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard > On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote: > >> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP >> user. >> >> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? >> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware >> problems etc.? > > > > I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't > all be the same. Here's my view: > > First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy > with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are > many problems with it. > > Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking > whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply > "Vista." > > But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this > backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not > just because there is a new version available. Are you having a > problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or > expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but > not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn > for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a > computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest? > > If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your > hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise > most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a > learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as > big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're > contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to > XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or > software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it. > Excellent advice Ken (but isn't your last sentence backwards?). And I could only say to Kevin in addition, is if you do decide to go with Vista, beforehand make sure all your apps and peripherals will work. Otherwise you may also be paying for upgrades you hadn't counted on, and possibly even new hardware. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:19:03 -0700, "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote: > On 7/9/2007 11:41 AM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard > > > On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:55:46 GMT, "Kevin" <Y @ Y .com> wrote: > > > >> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I am a current XP > >> user. > >> > >> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? > >> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, Hardware > >> problems etc.? > > > > > > > > I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers to this question, and they won't > > all be the same. Here's my view: > > > > First, note that I use Vista on my main machine, and I'm very happy > > with it. No, I don't think it's too early, and I don't think there are > > many problems with it. > > > > Second, if you were contemplating buying a new machine and asking > > whether to get Vista or XP on it, I would unhesitatingly reply > > "Vista." > > > > But regarding upgrading, my view is that you're going about this > > backward. A change of operating system should be driven by need, not > > just because there is a new version available. Are you having a > > problem with Windows XP that you expect Vista to solve? Do you have or > > expect to get new hardware or software that is supported in Vista, but > > not in XP? Is there some new feature in Vista that you need or yearn > > for? Does your job require you have skills in Vista? Are you a > > computer hobbyist who enjoys playing with whatever is newest? > > > > If the answer to one or more of those questions is yes (and your > > hardware is adequate for Vista), then you should get Vista. Otherwise > > most people should stick with what they have. There is *always* a > > learning curve and a potential for problems when you take a step as > > big as this one, regardless of how wonderful whatever you're > > contemplating moving to is. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade (to > > XP or its successor) because you'll want support for hardware or > > software that you can't get in Vista, but don't rush it. > > > > Excellent advice Ken (but isn't your last sentence backwards?). Yes, sorry. Thanks for the correction (and the kind words). > And I > could only say to Kevin in addition, is if you do decide to go with > Vista, beforehand make sure all your apps and peripherals will work. > Otherwise you may also be paying for upgrades you hadn't counted on, and > possibly even new hardware. Yes, I completely agree. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Doug W. Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uUpR2nlwHHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Doug W. wrote: > >> >> "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:e9u%23FMkwHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> Kevin wrote: >>> >>>> I know this is an XP group but I wanted to ask here since I >>>> am a >>>> current XP user. >>>> >>>> Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? >>>> Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active >>>> X, Hardware >>>> problems etc.? >>>> >>> >>> From my perspective, NOW is an excellent time for everyone >>> to upgrade to Vista. >>> >>> The enhanced security features may protect me from nastiness >>> on your machine. >>> >> I would be just as happy if "they" reverted to DOS. >> - >> Doug W. >> - >> > > As long as it isn't Version 4! - Version 6.1 was okay. >
Guest Vanguard Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "Plato" wrote in message news:4691ce1a$0$286$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > > Vanguard wrote: >> >> "Kevin" wrote in message >> news:6liki.37434$YL5.33436@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> > >> > Is this a good time to upgrade to Vista? >> > Do you think it's still too early, you know, Java, Active X, >> > Hardware >> > problems etc.? >> >> So just why do YOU think that you need to "upgrade" to Vista? > > One only needs to upgrade to the newest MS OS if the programs they > want > to use require it. Some of which, like games (Shadowrun and Halo 2), have been hacked to NOT demand DX10 (which is only in Vista) so they will run under DX9 on Windows XP. I can see some low-level utilities (file system, hardware) requiring a specific OS version but no one buys an OS because of a utility program. So what killer apps are forcing users to go to Vista?
Guest Vanguard Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Advice on Vista "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message news:g20593lp1bjs8aun157j5dc5jefho82elj@4ax.com... > A change of operating system should be driven by need, not > just because there is a new version available. Alas, how many users go upgrading their BIOS, SCSI, SATA, or other firmware simply because they've discovered there is a new version. They haven't a clue if they need it but it is new and that is why they need it. After all, the main impetus for new car purchases has nothing to do with the usability of their old car. They've been indoctrinated via marketing, mostly television, to obey the "newer is better" mantra. The marketing industry is quite well practiced at convincing us of what they want us to believe that we need.
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