Guest Capt K Ripendran Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 I have a HP Pavilion 6511 preloaded with Windows 98 SE. Recently, I had downloaded and installed Security Update KB891711, amongst others. Since then I find that the PC is occasionally unstable. I also have a HP Pavilion 4509 preloaded with Windows 98 SE and this PC works as ever before! What does this Update do? Is it required to keep this Update? Thanking you Capt K Ripendran
Guest MEB Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Updates "Capt K Ripendran" <ripendran@dataone.in> wrote in message news:e1msTJfwHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | I have a HP Pavilion 6511 preloaded with Windows 98 SE. Recently, I had | downloaded and installed Security Update KB891711, amongst others. Since | then I find that the PC is occasionally unstable. | I also have a HP Pavilion 4509 preloaded with Windows 98 SE and this PC | works as ever before! | | What does this Update do? Is it required to keep this Update? | | Thanking you | Capt K Ripendran | Not a yes or no answer. Here's what I saved from that time period [03/2005] for KB891711, note there were two versions v1 and 2 [both had problems in certain configurations]: v2 file date is: 03/23/05 for the KB891711.exe. [Look in %windir\system\KB891711] http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-002.mspx Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002 Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code Execution (891711) Related references: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-1049 In a Web-based attack scenario, an attacker would have to host a Web site that contains a Web page that is used to exploit this vulnerability. An attacker could also attempt to compromise a Web site to have it serve up a Web page with malicious content attempting to exploit this vulnerability. An attacker would have no way to force users to visit a Web site. Instead, an attacker would have to persuade them to visit the Web site, typically by getting them to click a link that takes them to the attacker's site or a site compromised by the attacker. An attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could gain the same user rights as the local user. Users whose accounts are configured to have fewer user rights on the system could be less impacted than users who operate with administrative user rights. By default, Outlook Express 6, Outlook 2002, and Outlook 2003 open HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone. Additionally, Outlook 2000 opens HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone if the Outlook E-mail Security Update (http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/outlook/2002security.asp) has been installed. Outlook Express 5.5 Service Pack 2 opens HTML e-mail messages in the Restricted sites zone if Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-018.mspx) has been installed. The Restricted sites zone helps reduce attacks that could attempt to exploit this vulnerability. The risk of attack from HTML e-mail can be significantly reduced if you meet all the following conditions: 1. Apply the update that is included with Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-040 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-040.mspx) or later Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer. 2. Use Internet Explorer 6 or later. 3. Use the Microsoft Outlook E-mail Security Update, use Microsoft Outlook Express 6 or later, or use Microsoft Outlook 2000 Service Pack 2 or later in its default configuration. 4. Read e-mail messages in plain text format (Outlook 2002 or later, or Outlook Express 6 SP1 or later). The update removes the vulnerability by modifying the way that cursors, animated cursor, and icon formats are validated prior to rendering. Parties contacting Microsoft concerning the problems received this [or similar]: Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Support Service. My name is **********, and I'm glad to work with you. For your reference, the case ID for this service request is XXXXXXXXXXXX. You can contact me directly by writing an email to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with the case ID in the subject line. To give the most accurate support possible, I would like to give a brief summary of the problem as I understand it: The computer did not work properly after you installed KB891711. You have indicated that the issue has been resolved after you removed it from Startup. If there has been any misunderstanding, please let me know. I would like to explain that Microsoft releases new updates to fix bugs and increase the stability of Windows Operating System, and we have tested as much of the software environment as we could to improve the performance of updates. However, we cannot guarantee that every update can install perfectly in all computers because every computer has a different software and hardware environment. I highly appreciate your understanding. Regarding your concern, I would like to explain that it is a security updates for the computer. If you have an antivirus or firewall program, you do not need to run this update in the background currently. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to let me know. Thank you for your time. I am standing by for your reply. Best Regards, ------- NOTE THE LAST PARAGRAPH In this forum [and elsewhere], some had no problems, but many did. If problems were associated to the fix, you can test by disabling it in MSconfig or uninstalling. It is regarded by most as a kludge / crutch, since its just a work-around rather than a fix. Microsoft produced two (2) of these, the second is KB918547. Likely produced as such because End Of Support was coming due. More Information / Downloads: More information on this vulnerability could be found in links provided below http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;891711 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=LifeAn1 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21130 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21742 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21140 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33327 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33328 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33330 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21134 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33332 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21158 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33329 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21129 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21131 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21132 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21133 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21134 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21135 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=22939 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33340 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21158 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33341 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33387 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21161 http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-1049 http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-1305 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?linkid=18866 -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest glee Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Re: Updates Hi Cap'n, Are you sure that update is responsible for the instability you see? You stated that you installed other updates along with this one. When did you install the updates, and did you install them through the Windows Update web site? There were two versions of this update....the first version caused problems for a number of folks but the second version seemed to fix the issues for all but a relative handful of people, and those usually had another program that was involved with the issues. IIRC, using an older version of Zone Alarm may have been one of the problem scenarios with the second version, and upping to a later version of ZA fixed it for those. You can remove the update temporarily to determine if it is responsible for your problem. If you still have the old one (v.1) installed, press Ctrl+Alt+Delete, and End Task on Kb891711, if shown there; then uninstall the update through Add/Remove Programs. Whether or not you have uninstalled it previously, make sure to delete this folder, and all its contents: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711 If the stability issues disappear, it may be that update, or its incompatibility with an app on your system, that is the cause. You can try reinstalling it via Windows Update, or better, go to Windows Update Catalog and download the update alone, saved to you hard drive, then run it from there to install. Windows98-KB891711-v2-ENU.EXE Info on the update and the vulnerability it patches: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002: Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code Execution (891711) http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Capt K Ripendran" <ripendran@dataone.in> wrote in message news:e1msTJfwHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I have a HP Pavilion 6511 preloaded with Windows 98 SE. Recently, I had > downloaded and installed Security Update KB891711, amongst others. Since > then I find that the PC is occasionally unstable. > I also have a HP Pavilion 4509 preloaded with Windows 98 SE and this PC > works as ever before! > > What does this Update do? Is it required to keep this Update? > > Thanking you > Capt K Ripendran > > >
Guest Capt K Ripendran Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: Updates Thank you for your input. No, I was NOT certain that this Update was the problem, except that I read somewhere that it can be a problem - perhaps in one of your posts! I had removed this Update from the Add/Remove Programs Properties but even thereafter the problem continued. I then found out that the Processor fan was going too slow and consequently there was the heating up problem. I changed the fan. I also found out that one 128 mb RAM was not working - perhaps this was due to the heating problem! I removed this from the 2nd DIMM socket and now all seems well except that it is too slow with only the original 64 mb RAM. I am thinking of getting a new 128 mb RAM. "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:u%23daoFowHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Hi Cap'n, > > Are you sure that update is responsible for the instability you see? You stated > that you installed other updates along with this one. > > When did you install the updates, and did you install them through the Windows > Update web site? There were two versions of this update....the first version caused > problems for a number of folks but the second version seemed to fix the issues for > all but a relative handful of people, and those usually had another program that was > involved with the issues. IIRC, using an older version of Zone Alarm may have been > one of the problem scenarios with the second version, and upping to a later version > of ZA fixed it for those. > > You can remove the update temporarily to determine if it is responsible for your > problem. > If you still have the old one (v.1) installed, press Ctrl+Alt+Delete, and End Task > on Kb891711, if shown there; then uninstall the update through Add/Remove Programs. > > Whether or not you have uninstalled it previously, make sure to delete this folder, > and all its contents: > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711 > > If the stability issues disappear, it may be that update, or its incompatibility > with an app on your system, that is the cause. You can try reinstalling it via > Windows Update, or better, go to Windows Update Catalog and download the update > alone, saved to you hard drive, then run it from there to install. > Windows98-KB891711-v2-ENU.EXE > > Info on the update and the vulnerability it patches: > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002: Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format > Handling Could Allow Remote Code Execution (891711) > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "Capt K Ripendran" <ripendran@dataone.in> wrote in message > news:e1msTJfwHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >I have a HP Pavilion 6511 preloaded with Windows 98 SE. Recently, I had > > downloaded and installed Security Update KB891711, amongst others. Since > > then I find that the PC is occasionally unstable. > > I also have a HP Pavilion 4509 preloaded with Windows 98 SE and this PC > > works as ever before! > > > > What does this Update do? Is it required to keep this Update? > > > > Thanking you > > Capt K Ripendran
Guest glee Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Updates Heh-heh....no, that doesn't sound like it was the update. ;-) Is this the same system with which you now have the Add/Remove Programs list problem? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Capt K Ripendran" <ripendran@dataone.in> wrote in message news:uotCsK$0HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Thank you for your input. No, I was NOT certain that this Update was the > problem, except that I read somewhere that it can be a problem - perhaps in > one of your posts! I had removed this Update from the Add/Remove Programs > Properties but even thereafter the problem continued. > > I then found out that the Processor fan was going too slow and consequently > there was the heating up problem. I changed the fan. I also found out that > one 128 mb RAM was not working - perhaps this was due to the heating > problem! I removed this from the 2nd DIMM socket and now all seems well > except that it is too slow with only the original 64 mb RAM. I am thinking > of getting a new 128 mb RAM. > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:u%23daoFowHHA.3796@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Hi Cap'n, >> >> Are you sure that update is responsible for the instability you see? You > stated >> that you installed other updates along with this one. >> >> When did you install the updates, and did you install them through the > Windows >> Update web site? There were two versions of this update....the first > version caused >> problems for a number of folks but the second version seemed to fix the > issues for >> all but a relative handful of people, and those usually had another > program that was >> involved with the issues. IIRC, using an older version of Zone Alarm may > have been >> one of the problem scenarios with the second version, and upping to a > later version >> of ZA fixed it for those. >> >> You can remove the update temporarily to determine if it is responsible > for your >> problem. >> If you still have the old one (v.1) installed, press Ctrl+Alt+Delete, and > End Task >> on Kb891711, if shown there; then uninstall the update through Add/Remove > Programs. >> >> Whether or not you have uninstalled it previously, make sure to delete > this folder, >> and all its contents: >> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711 >> >> If the stability issues disappear, it may be that update, or its > incompatibility >> with an app on your system, that is the cause. You can try reinstalling > it via >> Windows Update, or better, go to Windows Update Catalog and download the > update >> alone, saved to you hard drive, then run it from there to install. >> Windows98-KB891711-v2-ENU.EXE >> >> Info on the update and the vulnerability it patches: >> Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002: Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon > Format >> Handling Could Allow Remote Code Execution (891711) >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx >> >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> "Capt K Ripendran" <ripendran@dataone.in> wrote in message >> news:e1msTJfwHHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >I have a HP Pavilion 6511 preloaded with Windows 98 SE. Recently, I had >> > downloaded and installed Security Update KB891711, amongst others. Since >> > then I find that the PC is occasionally unstable. >> > I also have a HP Pavilion 4509 preloaded with Windows 98 SE and this PC >> > works as ever before! >> > >> > What does this Update do? Is it required to keep this Update? >> > >> > Thanking you >> > Capt K Ripendran > > > >
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