NtBackup is very slower, Strange

July 9, 2007

Hi ,

Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

happens on different Tape.

anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

--

Gordon

July 10, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

--

Thank you,

Burleyman

Have a great day!

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> Hi ,

> Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> happens on different Tape.

> anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> --

> Gordon

August 7, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

programs with >3%CPU .

--

Gordon

"Burleyman" wrote:

> Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> --

> Thank you,

> Burleyman

>

> Have a great day!

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > happens on different Tape.

> > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > --

> > Gordon

August 7, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

--

Thank you,

Burleyman

Have a great day!

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> programs with >3%CPU .

> --

> Gordon

>

> "Burleyman" wrote:

>

> > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > --

> > Thank you,

> > Burleyman

> >

> > Have a great day!

> >

> > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >

> > > Hi ,

> > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > happens on different Tape.

> > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > --

> > > Gordon

August 8, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

--

Gordon

"Burleyman" wrote:

> Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> --

> Thank you,

> Burleyman

>

> Have a great day!

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

> > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > programs with >3%CPU .

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >

> > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > --

> > > Thank you,

> > > Burleyman

> > >

> > > Have a great day!

> > >

> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > --

> > > > Gordon

August 8, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

--

Thank you,

Burleyman

Have a great day!

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> --

> Gordon

>

> "Burleyman" wrote:

>

> > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > --

> > Thank you,

> > Burleyman

> >

> > Have a great day!

> >

> > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >

> > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > --

> > > Gordon

> > >

> > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > >

> > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > --

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Burleyman

> > > >

> > > > Have a great day!

> > > >

> > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Gordon

August 8, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for real-time

protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

I do normail backup everyday.

the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other things are

start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a software to

check for the unknow process every half hour.

So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly used high

cpu and very slower.

I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another month to

wait for it happens again.

Cheer,

thanks very much for help

--

Gordon

"Burleyman" wrote:

> This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

> during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

> be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

> and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

> the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

> backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

> that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

> backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

> software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> --

> Thank you,

> Burleyman

>

> Have a great day!

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

> > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >

> > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > > --

> > > Thank you,

> > > Burleyman

> > >

> > > Have a great day!

> > >

> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > >

> > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > > --

> > > > Gordon

> > > >

> > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Burleyman

> > > > >

> > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > >

> > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Gordon

August 9, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get notified.

--

Thank you,

Burleyman

Have a great day!

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for real-time

> protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

> My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

> I do normail backup everyday.

> the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other things are

> start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

> there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a software to

> check for the unknow process every half hour.

> So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly used high

> cpu and very slower.

> I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another month to

> wait for it happens again.

>

> Cheer,

> thanks very much for help

>

> --

> Gordon

>

> "Burleyman" wrote:

>

> > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

> > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

> > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

> > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

> > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

> > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

> > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

> > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

> > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> > --

> > Thank you,

> > Burleyman

> >

> > Have a great day!

> >

> > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >

> > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> > > --

> > > Gordon

> > >

> > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > >

> > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > > > --

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Burleyman

> > > >

> > > > Have a great day!

> > > >

> > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > > > --

> > > > > Gordon

> > > > >

> > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Gordon

August 23, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

It happens again today, I have checked and make sure the antivirus doesnot

running since it does not charge CPU.

system Idle using 50% CPU and Ntbackup use another 50%CPU.

what can i do for further check?

--

Gordon

"Burleyman" wrote:

> Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get notified.

> --

> Thank you,

> Burleyman

>

> Have a great day!

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

> > My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for real-time

> > protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

> > My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

> > I do normail backup everyday.

> > the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other things are

> > start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

> > there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a software to

> > check for the unknow process every half hour.

> > So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly used high

> > cpu and very slower.

> > I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another month to

> > wait for it happens again.

> >

> > Cheer,

> > thanks very much for help

> >

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >

> > > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

> > > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

> > > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

> > > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

> > > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

> > > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

> > > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

> > > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

> > > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> > > --

> > > Thank you,

> > > Burleyman

> > >

> > > Have a great day!

> > >

> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > >

> > > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> > > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> > > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> > > > --

> > > > Gordon

> > > >

> > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > > > > --

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Burleyman

> > > > >

> > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > >

> > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Gordon

August 24, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

Does it caused by Disk IO Performance?

is there any tools that I can used to check the Disk IO Usage?

I have noticed that even the CPU it 50% used for NTbackup, the disk write

speed is very slow.

--

Gordon

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> It happens again today, I have checked and make sure the antivirus doesnot

> running since it does not charge CPU.

> system Idle using 50% CPU and Ntbackup use another 50%CPU.

> what can i do for further check?

> --

> Gordon

>

> "Burleyman" wrote:

>

> > Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get notified.

> > --

> > Thank you,

> > Burleyman

> >

> > Have a great day!

> >

> > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >

> > > My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for real-time

> > > protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

> > > My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

> > > I do normail backup everyday.

> > > the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other things are

> > > start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

> > > there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a software to

> > > check for the unknow process every half hour.

> > > So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly used high

> > > cpu and very slower.

> > > I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another month to

> > > wait for it happens again.

> > >

> > > Cheer,

> > > thanks very much for help

> > >

> > > --

> > > Gordon

> > >

> > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > >

> > > > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

> > > > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

> > > > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

> > > > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

> > > > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

> > > > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

> > > > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

> > > > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

> > > > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> > > > --

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Burleyman

> > > >

> > > > Have a great day!

> > > >

> > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> > > > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> > > > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> > > > > --

> > > > > Gordon

> > > > >

> > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > > > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Gordon

September 20, 2007

RE: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

I am crazy , it happens more frequently than before. and almost once three

days.

Is someone can help me. SOS.

--

Gordon

"GordonLiq" wrote:

> Does it caused by Disk IO Performance?

> is there any tools that I can used to check the Disk IO Usage?

> I have noticed that even the CPU it 50% used for NTbackup, the disk write

> speed is very slow.

> --

> Gordon

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

> > It happens again today, I have checked and make sure the antivirus doesnot

> > running since it does not charge CPU.

> > system Idle using 50% CPU and Ntbackup use another 50%CPU.

> > what can i do for further check?

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >

> > > Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get notified.

> > > --

> > > Thank you,

> > > Burleyman

> > >

> > > Have a great day!

> > >

> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > >

> > > > My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for real-time

> > > > protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

> > > > My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

> > > > I do normail backup everyday.

> > > > the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other things are

> > > > start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

> > > > there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a software to

> > > > check for the unknow process every half hour.

> > > > So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly used high

> > > > cpu and very slower.

> > > > I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another month to

> > > > wait for it happens again.

> > > >

> > > > Cheer,

> > > > thanks very much for help

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Gordon

> > > >

> > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the back ground

> > > > > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a server it may

> > > > > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the anti-virus

> > > > > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can look at for

> > > > > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be running during the

> > > > > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the backup software

> > > > > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What type of

> > > > > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What anti-virus

> > > > > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> > > > > --

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Burleyman

> > > > >

> > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > >

> > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> > > > > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> > > > > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special in Event Log

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the option "Do not scan

> > > > > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is slowing you down.

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> > > > > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot found any other

> > > > > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also there should be a

> > > > > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is there a process that

> > > > > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > > > Burleyman

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Have a great day!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6 times slower than

> > > > > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a 30G in 2hours, but

> > > > > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else, just slow , and it

> > > > > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> > > > > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> > > > > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> > > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Gordon

September 20, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

Hello,

do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ?

Are the volumes fragmented ?

Any scheduled task ?

Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ?

Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

Do you have any event log during backup ?

How many RAM do you have ?

Sorry for so many questions and no answer

--

Cordialement,

Mathieu CHATEAU

http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

"GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BEAC56C4-F701-4B1A-BC5F-47B62C75F589@microsoft.com...

>I am crazy , it happens more frequently than before. and almost once three

> days.

> Is someone can help me. SOS.

> --

> Gordon

>

> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>

>> Does it caused by Disk IO Performance?

>> is there any tools that I can used to check the Disk IO Usage?

>> I have noticed that even the CPU it 50% used for NTbackup, the disk write

>> speed is very slow.

>> --

>> Gordon

>>

>> "GordonLiq" wrote:

>>

>> > It happens again today, I have checked and make sure the antivirus

>> > doesnot

>> > running since it does not charge CPU.

>> > system Idle using 50% CPU and Ntbackup use another 50%CPU.

>> > what can i do for further check?

>> > --

>> > Gordon

>> >

>> > "Burleyman" wrote:

>> >

>> > > Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get

>> > > notified.

>> > > --

>> > > Thank you,

>> > > Burleyman

>> > >

>> > > Have a great day!

>> > >

>> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for

>> > > > real-time

>> > > > protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

>> > > > My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

>> > > > I do normail backup everyday.

>> > > > the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other

>> > > > things are

>> > > > start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

>> > > > there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a

>> > > > software to

>> > > > check for the unknow process every half hour.

>> > > > So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly

>> > > > used high

>> > > > cpu and very slower.

>> > > > I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another

>> > > > month to

>> > > > wait for it happens again.

>> > > >

>> > > > Cheer,

>> > > > thanks very much for help

>> > > >

>> > > > --

>> > > > Gordon

>> > > >

>> > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the

>> > > > > back ground

>> > > > > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a

>> > > > > server it may

>> > > > > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the

>> > > > > anti-virus

>> > > > > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can

>> > > > > look at for

>> > > > > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be

>> > > > > running during the

>> > > > > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the

>> > > > > backup software

>> > > > > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What

>> > > > > type of

>> > > > > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What

>> > > > > anti-virus

>> > > > > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

>> > > > > --

>> > > > > Thank you,

>> > > > > Burleyman

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Have a great day!

>> > > > >

>> > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

>> > > > >

>> > > > > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

>> > > > > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

>> > > > > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special

>> > > > > > in Event Log

>> > > > > > --

>> > > > > > Gordon

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the

>> > > > > > > option "Do not scan

>> > > > > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is

>> > > > > > > slowing you down.

>> > > > > > > --

>> > > > > > > Thank you,

>> > > > > > > Burleyman

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > Have a great day!

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

>> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

>> > > > > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot

>> > > > > > > > found any other

>> > > > > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

>> > > > > > > > --

>> > > > > > > > Gordon

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

>> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also

>> > > > > > > > > there should be a

>> > > > > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is

>> > > > > > > > > there a process that

>> > > > > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

>> > > > > > > > > --

>> > > > > > > > > Thank you,

>> > > > > > > > > Burleyman

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Have a great day!

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

>> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,

>> > > > > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6

>> > > > > > > > > > times slower than

>> > > > > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a

>> > > > > > > > > > 30G in 2hours, but

>> > > > > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else,

>> > > > > > > > > > just slow , and it

>> > > > > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

>> > > > > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

>> > > > > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

>> > > > > > > > > > --

>> > > > > > > > > > Gordon

September 20, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ?

> Are the volumes fragmented ?

> Any scheduled task ?

>

> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? : yes , it works well for serveral year before I change the device from Tape to IOMega Rev70

> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? I will take a try, what does it use for, can I get the disk IO monitor?

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>

> Do you have any event log during backup ? it is only normal log, eg: end of backup c: , start of backup D:

>

> How many RAM do you have ? 3G

--

Gordon

"Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> Hello,

>

> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ?

> Are the volumes fragmented ?

> Any scheduled task ?

>

> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ?

> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ?

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>

> Do you have any event log during backup ?

>

> How many RAM do you have ?

>

> Sorry for so many questions and no answer

>

> --

> Cordialement,

> Mathieu CHATEAU

> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

>

> "GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:BEAC56C4-F701-4B1A-BC5F-47B62C75F589@microsoft.com...

> >I am crazy , it happens more frequently than before. and almost once three

> > days.

> > Is someone can help me. SOS.

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >

> >> Does it caused by Disk IO Performance?

> >> is there any tools that I can used to check the Disk IO Usage?

> >> I have noticed that even the CPU it 50% used for NTbackup, the disk write

> >> speed is very slow.

> >> --

> >> Gordon

> >>

> >> "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >>

> >> > It happens again today, I have checked and make sure the antivirus

> >> > doesnot

> >> > running since it does not charge CPU.

> >> > system Idle using 50% CPU and Ntbackup use another 50%CPU.

> >> > what can i do for further check?

> >> > --

> >> > Gordon

> >> >

> >> > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Well let me know how it runs. Post it right here and I will get

> >> > > notified.

> >> > > --

> >> > > Thank you,

> >> > > Burleyman

> >> > >

> >> > > Have a great day!

> >> > >

> >> > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > > My Antivirus software is F-prot, It cannot set the exclude for

> >> > > > real-time

> >> > > > protect. and I have excluded the backup folder at the manual scan.

> >> > > > My OS is windows 2003 SBS and backup to IOMega Rev USB disk.

> >> > > > I do normail backup everyday.

> >> > > > the backup is start at 23pm and only backup at that time, other

> >> > > > things are

> >> > > > start from 3am. and normail the backup is finished at 1am.

> >> > > > there is no unknow process running when backup slower , I have a

> >> > > > software to

> >> > > > check for the unknow process every half hour.

> >> > > > So , looks everything is same as normally but NTbackup suddenly

> >> > > > used high

> >> > > > cpu and very slower.

> >> > > > I have exclude the backup folder for antivirus, so may need another

> >> > > > month to

> >> > > > wait for it happens again.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Cheer,

> >> > > > thanks very much for help

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --

> >> > > > Gordon

> >> > > >

> >> > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > This is more than likely an issue with something running in the

> >> > > > > back ground

> >> > > > > during the backups either on the server doing the backups or a

> >> > > > > server it may

> >> > > > > be backing up over the network. Did you find the setting in the

> >> > > > > anti-virus

> >> > > > > and change it to not scan on backup? Are there nay log you can

> >> > > > > look at for

> >> > > > > the backup software? Check for scheduled tasks that may be

> >> > > > > running during the

> >> > > > > backup window...check all servers. This is probally not the

> >> > > > > backup software

> >> > > > > that is causing the problem or it would happen all the time. What

> >> > > > > type of

> >> > > > > backup are you doing, full, incremental, differential? What

> >> > > > > anti-virus

> >> > > > > software are you running? what time do you start your backups?

> >> > > > > --

> >> > > > > Thank you,

> >> > > > > Burleyman

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Have a great day!

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > I tried again without any change, and it works well again.

> >> > > > > > it only happens anciently so I cant repeat the problem myself.

> >> > > > > > Is there any log that I can check? there is nothing special

> >> > > > > > in Event Log

> >> > > > > > --

> >> > > > > > Gordon

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Stop the Anti-Virus and try it again. Also, look for the

> >> > > > > > > option "Do not scan

> >> > > > > > > on backup" or something like that. My guess that is what is

> >> > > > > > > slowing you down.

> >> > > > > > > --

> >> > > > > > > Thank you,

> >> > > > > > > Burleyman

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Have a great day!

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > It happens again with 50-93% CPU used.

> >> > > > > > > > The antivirus is running but didnot used CPU. and I cannot

> >> > > > > > > > found any other

> >> > > > > > > > programs with >3%CPU .

> >> > > > > > > > --

> >> > > > > > > > Gordon

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > "Burleyman" wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Check to see if Anti-Virus running during that time. Also

> >> > > > > > > > > there should be a

> >> > > > > > > > > setting that does not scan files on backup. Also, is

> >> > > > > > > > > there a process that

> >> > > > > > > > > runs once a month that conflicts with the backup window.

> >> > > > > > > > > --

> >> > > > > > > > > Thank you,

> >> > > > > > > > > Burleyman

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Have a great day!

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > "GordonLiq" wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi ,

> >> > > > > > > > > > Sometimes , the Ntbackup is very slow, it takes about 6

> >> > > > > > > > > > times slower than

> >> > > > > > > > > > the normal time in every drive. Normally, I backup a

> >> > > > > > > > > > 30G in 2hours, but

> >> > > > > > > > > > when it slow, it needs 12hours to do it. nothing else,

> >> > > > > > > > > > just slow , and it

> >> > > > > > > > > > happens on different Tape.

> >> > > > > > > > > > anyone has any idea how to found the problem ?

> >> > > > > > > > > > this is not frequently, it may happens once a month.

> >> > > > > > > > > > --

> >> > > > > > > > > > Gordon

>

September 21, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ? Yes, I have Exchange 2003

, and do the First Storage Backup

> Are the volumes fragmented ? ,No, I have defrag it recently, But some one says donot Defrag at SBS2003, does it cause problem?

> Any scheduled task ? No, only one task at that time , other task are all 3hours later than it.

>

> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? Yes, but I change the script, and it runs well for long time befare I switch tape to IOMega REV70 disk

> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? how it wil be help?

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>

> Do you have any event log during backup ? all normal log, such as "Start backup c:","End backup c:"

>

> How many RAM do you have ? 3G it is enough for my server

the CPU is about 50%, and the backup speed is 400k/s , OMG, I cannot stand

for it any more. help.

September 21, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

is the IOMega REV70 disk fragmented ?

Can you run the performance wizard and wait for the next backup ?

I understood it's a usb disk, is it on a usb 2.0 ?

--

Cordialement,

Mathieu CHATEAU

http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

"GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F3A0C614-E6C4-4FCE-B3FC-892CF7346949@microsoft.com...

>> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ? Yes, I have Exchange

>> 2003

> , and do the First Storage Backup

>> Are the volumes fragmented ? ,No, I have defrag it recently, But some one

>> says donot Defrag at SBS2003, does it cause problem?

>> Any scheduled task ? No, only one task at that time , other task are

>> all 3hours later than it.

>>

>> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? Yes, but I change the

>> script, and it runs well for long time befare I switch tape to IOMega

>> REV70 disk

>> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? how it wil be

>> help?

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>>

>> Do you have any event log during backup ? all normal log, such as

>> "Start backup c:","End backup c:"

>>

>> How many RAM do you have ? 3G it is enough for my server

>

> the CPU is about 50%, and the backup speed is 400k/s , OMG, I cannot stand

> for it any more. help.

>

September 21, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

My Server is USB2.0 and it does not happes everytime for same tape, I cannot

find any regular and I cannot duplicate the problem my self.

How do i use the performance wizard ? can you post a reference here?

--

Gordon

"Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> is the IOMega REV70 disk fragmented ?

>

> Can you run the performance wizard and wait for the next backup ?

>

> I understood it's a usb disk, is it on a usb 2.0 ?

>

> --

> Cordialement,

> Mathieu CHATEAU

> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

>

> "GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F3A0C614-E6C4-4FCE-B3FC-892CF7346949@microsoft.com...

> >> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ? Yes, I have Exchange

> >> 2003

> > , and do the First Storage Backup

> >> Are the volumes fragmented ? ,No, I have defrag it recently, But some one

> >> says donot Defrag at SBS2003, does it cause problem?

> >> Any scheduled task ? No, only one task at that time , other task are

> >> all 3hours later than it.

> >>

> >> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? Yes, but I change the

> >> script, and it runs well for long time befare I switch tape to IOMega

> >> REV70 disk

> >> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? how it wil be

> >> help?

> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

> >>

> >> Do you have any event log during backup ? all normal log, such as

> >> "Start backup c:","End backup c:"

> >>

> >> How many RAM do you have ? 3G it is enough for my server

> >

> > the CPU is about 50%, and the backup speed is 400k/s , OMG, I cannot stand

> > for it any more. help.

> >

>

September 21, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

I posted it on my previous post:

Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

Just run it, choose what to monitor, how big can the file, and you are

ready!

--

Cordialement,

Mathieu CHATEAU

http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

"GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:6CD335C2-52AB-461E-8F6A-ED88B7C7DF2E@microsoft.com...

> My Server is USB2.0 and it does not happes everytime for same tape, I

> cannot

> find any regular and I cannot duplicate the problem my self.

> How do i use the performance wizard ? can you post a reference here?

> --

> Gordon

>

> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

>

>> is the IOMega REV70 disk fragmented ?

>>

>> Can you run the performance wizard and wait for the next backup ?

>>

>> I understood it's a usb disk, is it on a usb 2.0 ?

>>

>> --

>> Cordialement,

>> Mathieu CHATEAU

>> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

>>

>> "GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F3A0C614-E6C4-4FCE-B3FC-892CF7346949@microsoft.com...

>> >> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ? Yes, I have Exchange

>> >> 2003

>> > , and do the First Storage Backup

>> >> Are the volumes fragmented ? ,No, I have defrag it recently, But some

>> >> one

>> >> says donot Defrag at SBS2003, does it cause problem?

>> >> Any scheduled task ? No, only one task at that time , other task are

>> >> all 3hours later than it.

>> >>

>> >> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? Yes, but I change

>> >> the

>> >> script, and it runs well for long time befare I switch tape to IOMega

>> >> REV70 disk

>> >> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? how it wil

>> >> be

>> >> help?

>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>> >>

>> >> Do you have any event log during backup ? all normal log, such as

>> >> "Start backup c:","End backup c:"

>> >>

>> >> How many RAM do you have ? 3G it is enough for my server

>> >

>> > the CPU is about 50%, and the backup speed is 400k/s , OMG, I cannot

>> > stand

>> > for it any more. help.

>> >

>>

October 1, 2007

Re: NtBackup is very slower, Strange

It seems like it is resolved by reformat the REV70 disk

--

Gordon

"Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> I posted it on my previous post:

> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ?

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

>

> Just run it, choose what to monitor, how big can the file, and you are

> ready!

>

> --

> Cordialement,

> Mathieu CHATEAU

> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

>

> "GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:6CD335C2-52AB-461E-8F6A-ED88B7C7DF2E@microsoft.com...

> > My Server is USB2.0 and it does not happes everytime for same tape, I

> > cannot

> > find any regular and I cannot duplicate the problem my self.

> > How do i use the performance wizard ? can you post a reference here?

> > --

> > Gordon

> >

> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote:

> >

> >> is the IOMega REV70 disk fragmented ?

> >>

> >> Can you run the performance wizard and wait for the next backup ?

> >>

> >> I understood it's a usb disk, is it on a usb 2.0 ?

> >>

> >> --

> >> Cordialement,

> >> Mathieu CHATEAU

> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com

> >>

> >> "GordonLiq" <GordonLiq@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:F3A0C614-E6C4-4FCE-B3FC-892CF7346949@microsoft.com...

> >> >> do you have exchange ? Do you backup exchange ? Yes, I have Exchange

> >> >> 2003

> >> > , and do the First Storage Backup

> >> >> Are the volumes fragmented ? ,No, I have defrag it recently, But some

> >> >> one

> >> >> says donot Defrag at SBS2003, does it cause problem?

> >> >> Any scheduled task ? No, only one task at that time , other task are

> >> >> all 3hours later than it.

> >> >>

> >> >> Did you use the SBS wizard to set up the backup ? Yes, but I change

> >> >> the

> >> >> script, and it runs well for long time befare I switch tape to IOMega

> >> >> REV70 disk

> >> >> Can you download and install Performance Monitor Wizard ? how it wil

> >> >> be

> >> >> help?

> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=31fccd98-c3a1-4644-9622-faa046d69214&displaylang=en

> >> >>

> >> >> Do you have any event log during backup ? all normal log, such as

> >> >> "Start backup c:","End backup c:"

> >> >>

> >> >> How many RAM do you have ? 3G it is enough for my server

> >> >

> >> > the CPU is about 50%, and the backup speed is 400k/s , OMG, I cannot

> >> > stand

> >> > for it any more. help.

> >> >

> >>

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