Dead MB?

July 10, 2007

98 SE; system purchased in '99'

Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not all

of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and

proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It

just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup

floppy never starts.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.

Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated PCI

card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card, pulled

the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery from MB

for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix) it booted

to Windows.

I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting after

each.

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

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> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>

> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.

> It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

> startup floppy never starts.

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Good plan.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

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>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.

>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated

>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,

>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery

>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)

>it booted to Windows.

>

> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting

> after each.

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>

>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it

>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

>> startup floppy never starts.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>> Thanks

>>

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Bad plan.

See no reason to reinstall anything unless you change card locations n the

motherboard. Then, again, windows might adjust to that without reinstalling

anything.

Would investigate the 2 problems hinted as bios summary message about floppy

and the 2 beeps hinted as bios boot associated. Then, worry about windows

if its really problem. Messing with windows now might incorporate stuff

from the bios that's problematic.

Dave

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.

>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated

>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,

>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery

>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)

>it booted to Windows.

>

> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting

> after each.

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>

>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it

>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

>> startup floppy never starts.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>> Thanks

>>

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running from

the CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works except, of

course, the CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those cables connected

Windows never starts.

I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that next.(Tomorrow)

Must it also have a cable to the soundcard?

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.

>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated

>PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card,

>pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery

>from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix)

>it booted to Windows.

>

> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting

> after each.

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>

>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it

>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

>> startup floppy never starts.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>> Thanks

>>

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Try replacing the flat data (ribbon) cable from the mobo to the CD drive (the one

you have disconnected right now). The cable may be bad. I suspect that it is the

CD drive itself, though.

The wire to the sound card, if it is a small wire, is to enable sound from the CD

drive through the sound card....so you can listen to audio CDs directly, through the

computer using a media player. It should unplug from the CD drive so it can be

plugged into a replacement drive.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

http://dts-l.org/

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

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> If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running from the

> CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works except, of course, the

> CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those cables connected Windows never

> starts.

>

> I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that next.(Tomorrow) Must

> it also have a cable to the soundcard?

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary master.

>>Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM, reseated PCI card,

>>reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem card, pulled the power

>>cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system battery from MB for 5 mins.With

>>an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps (Pheonix) it booted to Windows.

>>

>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting after

>> each.

>>

>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>>

>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not all of

>>> it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and proper

>>> amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It just stays on

>>> that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup floppy never starts.

>>>

>>> Any thoughts?

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Windows isn't involved here. The boot doesn't even get close to loading

Windows. The question is which hardware component is bad. Yes, if it's

discovered that it is a card that's causing the problem, then trying a

different slot is the next step... But Windows isn't involved in the

slightest.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message

news:urxzuppwHHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Bad plan.

> See no reason to reinstall anything unless you change card locations n the

> motherboard. Then, again, windows might adjust to that without

> reinstalling anything.

>

> Would investigate the 2 problems hinted as bios summary message about

> floppy and the 2 beeps hinted as bios boot associated. Then, worry about

> windows if its really problem. Messing with windows now might incorporate

> stuff from the bios that's problematic.

> Dave

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary

>>master. Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM,

>>reseated PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem

>>card, pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system

>>battery from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps

>>(Pheonix) it booted to Windows.

>>

>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting

>> after each.

>>

>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>>

>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

>>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

>>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it

>>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup

>>> key; startup floppy never starts.

>>>

>>> Any thoughts?

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>

>

July 10, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

I've had situations where the small wire from the CD drive to the sound card

caused problems. Try it with just that cable disconnected. If everything

then works, consider leaving it detached. It isn't needed. If that doesn't

fix things, then the CD drive itself is probably bad.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

news:eWXu4ypwHHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> If I have the CD/DVD-ROM power cable disconnected and the cable running

> from the CD/DVD-ROM to the sound card disconnected, everything works

> except, of course, the CD/DVD-ROM. If I have both or either of those

> cables connected Windows never starts.

>

> I have an old CD-ROM laying around someplace; I'll try that

> next.(Tomorrow) Must it also have a cable to the soundcard?

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:emk91JpwHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>I disconnected all HDD's, both power and data cables except primary

>>master. Reseated power and data cables to primary master, reseated RAM,

>>reseated PCI card, reseated video card, pulled sound card and dialup modem

>>card, pulled the power cables from cd-rom and floppy drive, pulled system

>>battery from MB for 5 mins.With an error about floppy drive and 2 beeps

>>(Pheonix) it booted to Windows.

>>

>> I will now procede to reinstall each device, one at a time, restarting

>> after each.

>>

>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

>> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>>

>>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

>>> all of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

>>> and proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it

>>> goes. It just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup

>>> key; startup floppy never starts.

>>>

>>> Any thoughts?

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>

>

July 11, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

The continuing saga.........

Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the drive.

Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I

started this thread.

The new findings.......

If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I

take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.

With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door button";

opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom quits

working all together, even the door won't open and close.

Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and

off, no joy.

Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I push

the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away then

it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)

BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.

"I'll be back"

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

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> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>

> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

all

> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and

> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It

> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup

> floppy never starts.

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

>

July 11, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

You certainly need to try a different CD drive.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> The continuing saga.........

>

> Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the drive.

> Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I

> started this thread.

>

> The new findings.......

>

> If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I

> take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.

>

> With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door

> button";

> opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom

> quits

> working all together, even the door won't open and close.

>

> Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and

> off, no joy.

>

> Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I

> push

> the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away then

> it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)

>

> BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.

>

> "I'll be back"

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>>

>> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least not

> all

>> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom and

>> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes. It

>> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key; startup

>> floppy never starts.

>>

>> Any thoughts?

>> Thanks

>>

>

July 12, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Okay, the secound replacement is working.

Dang it, I was all set to, "But honey, if we have to get a new one it may as

well be a burner". LOL

Thanks to all for your direction. Have a nice evening.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> You certainly need to try a different CD drive.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.grystmill.com

>

> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > The continuing saga.........

> >

> > Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the

drive.

> > Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I

> > started this thread.

> >

> > The new findings.......

> >

> > If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If I

> > take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.

> >

> > With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door

> > button";

> > opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom

> > quits

> > working all together, even the door won't open and close.

> >

> > Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on and

> > off, no joy.

> >

> > Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I

> > push

> > the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away

then

> > it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)

> >

> > BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.

> >

> > "I'll be back"

> >

> > "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

> > news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

> >>

> >> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least

not

> > all

> >> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

and

> >> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.

It

> >> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

startup

> >> floppy never starts.

> >>

> >> Any thoughts?

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >

>

July 12, 2007

Re: Dead MB?

Tell your wife she's lucky. If it had been me....

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

"Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

news:Oxc0wDCxHHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Okay, the secound replacement is working.

>

> Dang it, I was all set to, "But honey, if we have to get a new one it may

> as

> well be a burner". LOL

>

> Thanks to all for your direction. Have a nice evening.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:OQFDDVBxHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> You certainly need to try a different CD drive.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>

>> "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23Ol6vMBxHHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > The continuing saga.........

>> >

>> > Three days ago, the eighth, I shut the system down with a cd in the

> drive.

>> > Next day,with cd still in it wouldn't boot to windows and that's when I

>> > started this thread.

>> >

>> > The new findings.......

>> >

>> > If I have a cd in the drive and boot, it freezes before Win starts. If

>> > I

>> > take the cd out and reboot it boots just fine.

>> >

>> > With the system running the cd rom door responds to the "open door

>> > button";

>> > opens and closes. If I put a cd in and close the door then the cd rom

>> > quits

>> > working all together, even the door won't open and close.

>> >

>> > Tried a different data cable, no joy. Tried with sound card cable on

>> > and

>> > off, no joy.

>> >

>> > Tried a different cd rom but it's old and I think it's bad too. When I

>> > push

>> > the open door button on this one the door opens but closes right away

> then

>> > it's dead. (Think I have a third one around somewhere........)

>> >

>> > BTW, I did try a different (never been used) slot on the MOBO, no joy.

>> >

>> > "I'll be back"

>> >

>> > "Stan" <bhrichREMOVE@aol.com> wrote in message

>> > news:egW47VowHHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> >> 98 SE; system purchased in '99'

>> >>

>> >> Started "Old Faithful" tonight and it won't even run the POST. Least

> not

>> > all

>> >> of it. I get to a screen that detects the mouse, keyboard and cd-rom

> and

>> >> proper amt. of RAM. Or is that all the POST? That's as far as it goes.

> It

>> >> just stays on that screen. Does not respond to system setup key;

> startup

>> >> floppy never starts.

>> >>

>> >> Any thoughts?

>> >> Thanks

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

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