Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

July 11, 2007

Greetings,

I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

from them.

Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

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July 11, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| Greetings,

|

| I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

| the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

| shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

| perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

| said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

| from them.

|

| Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

| Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

|

| And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

|

| --

| STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* driver

for 9X.

MDGX lists an unofficial :

Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98

SE/ME

Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

Documentation [this file, English]:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

also available as plain text (ASCII):

http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few weeks.

As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is a

tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be

applied.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

July 11, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:14:11 -0400, Tamiami <nospam@noway.moc> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>Greetings,

>

>I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

>the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

>shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

>perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

>said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

>from them.

>

>Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

> Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

>

>And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

FWIW, I have had shutdown issues in both Win95 and Win98 whenever

video caching was enabled in the BIOS setup. Aside from disabling

caching, I could avoid the problem by bringing up a full-screen DOS

window and then exiting to the GUI just before shutting down. I

presume this procedure flushed the cache in some way.

- Franc Zabkar

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July 12, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

MEB wrote:

> "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

> news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> | Greetings,

> |

> | I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

> | the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

> | shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

> | perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

> | said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

> | from them.

> |

> | Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

> | Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

> |

> | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

> |

> | --

> | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

>

> 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* driver

> for 9X.

>

> MDGX lists an unofficial :

>

> Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98

> SE/ME

>

> Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]:

> http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

> Documentation [this file, English]:

> http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

> also available as plain text (ASCII):

> http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

>

> I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few weeks.

> As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is a

> tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be

> applied.

>

Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install

the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card.

--

STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

July 12, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

Franc Zabkar wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:14:11 -0400, Tamiami <nospam@noway.moc> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>> Greetings,

>>

>> I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

>> the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

>> shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

>> perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

>> said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

>>from them.

>> Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

>> Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

>>

>> And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

>

> FWIW, I have had shutdown issues in both Win95 and Win98 whenever

> video caching was enabled in the BIOS setup. Aside from disabling

> caching, I could avoid the problem by bringing up a full-screen DOS

> window and then exiting to the GUI just before shutting down. I

> presume this procedure flushed the cache in some way.

>

> - Franc Zabkar

Thanks Franc. I'll check on caching status, but I don't think it's

enabled presently.

--

STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

July 13, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:46963452$0$24766$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| MEB wrote:

| > "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

| > news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| > | Greetings,

| > |

| > | I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

| > | the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

| > | shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

| > | perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

| > | said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I

heard

| > | from them.

| > |

| > | Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting

down?

| > | Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

| > |

| > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

| > |

| > | --

| > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

| >

| > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official*

driver

| > for 9X.

| >

| > MDGX lists an unofficial :

| >

| > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98

| > SE/ME

| >

| > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]:

| > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

| > Documentation [this file, English]:

| > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

| > also available as plain text (ASCII):

| > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

| >

| > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few

weeks.

| > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is

a

| > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be

| > applied.

| >

|

| Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install

| the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card.

|

| --

| STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

That raises a good point.

Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of

devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various fixes.

Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed fixes/ports

will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the

ability to do those ports will continue to do so.

Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the manufacturers

for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they do

because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification, whereas,

doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites for

WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the users

of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as those

users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via

Microsoft.

Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA should

understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating

systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with

updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an

activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies some

automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that was

intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and

require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and

applications.

This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not

support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh, the

thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*.

The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs,

applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general

user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO

advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them.

Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that most

may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the

Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to

supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these

necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious decisions

and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or reliance

upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough} sources...

BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was the

only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the

governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained or

brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the

USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and foreign]

demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of information/data,

but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy of

that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any

shared data is held private]...

So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom do

you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected by

those services.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

July 14, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

MEB wrote:

<snip>

> | > |

> | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

> | >

> | > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official*

> driver

> | > for 9X.

> | >

> | > MDGX lists an unofficial :

> | >

> | > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98

> | > SE/ME

> | >

> | > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]:

> | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

> | > Documentation [this file, English]:

> | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

> | > also available as plain text (ASCII):

> | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

> | >

> | > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few

> weeks.

> | > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is

> a

> | > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be

> | > applied.

> | >

> |

> | Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install

> | the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card.

> |

> | --

> | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

>

> That raises a good point.

>

> Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of

> devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various fixes.

> Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed fixes/ports

> will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the

> ability to do those ports will continue to do so.

> Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the manufacturers

> for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they do

> because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification, whereas,

> doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites for

> WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the users

> of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as those

> users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via

> Microsoft.

> Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA should

> understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating

> systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with

> updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an

> activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies some

> automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that was

> intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and

> require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and

> applications.

> This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not

> support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh, the

> thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*.

>

> The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs,

> applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general

> user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO

> advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them.

>

> Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that most

> may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the

> Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to

> supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these

> necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious decisions

> and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or reliance

> upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough} sources...

>

> BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was the

> only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the

> governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained or

> brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the

> USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and foreign]

> demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of information/data,

> but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy of

> that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any

> shared data is held private]...

> So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom do

> you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected by

> those services.

>

You right about one thing MEB, I'm holding my new copy of Kubuntu 7.04

that arrived today. IMO 98SE is the most stable and easily controllable

OS of the ages. It's a shame that the Planned Obsolescence Policies

mandated by Bill Gates wreak so much havoc on the world. Not to mention

the environmental damage caused through the disposal of perfectly good

hardware - just because it's "Not Microsoft Certified." I hope you're

right about increasing Linux development.

As for Google, the firm has recently aligned with a few states in the US

to develop an all-in-one database the would be so comprehensive a person

would need only to type in MEB at the search field and the results would

include MEB'S civil, criminal, social, and health histories in one

encompassing return. To me, that's too much power of information for

any corporation to ever exclusively control.

--

STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

July 14, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:4698d4d5$0$8018$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| MEB wrote:

| <snip>

| > | > |Tamiami wrote:

| > | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

| > | > |

| > | > | --

| > | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

| > | >

| > | > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official*

| > driver

| > | > for 9X.

| > | >

| > | > MDGX lists an unofficial :

| > | >

| > | > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98

SP1/98

| > | > SE/ME

| > | >

| > | > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]:

| > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

| > | > Documentation [this file, English]:

| > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

| > | > also available as plain text (ASCII):

| > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

| > | >

| > | > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a

few

| > weeks.

| > | > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note

it is

| > a

| > | > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can

be

| > | > applied.

| > | >

| > |

| > | Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to

install

| > | the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card.

| > |

| > | --

| > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

| >

| > That raises a good point.

| >

| > Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of

| > devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various

fixes.

| > Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed

fixes/ports

| > will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the

| > ability to do those ports will continue to do so.

| > Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the

manufacturers

| > for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they

do

| > because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification,

whereas,

| > doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites

for

| > WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the

users

| > of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as

those

| > users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via

| > Microsoft.

| > Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA

should

| > understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating

| > systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with

| > updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an

| > activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies

some

| > automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that

was

| > intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and

| > require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and

| > applications.

| > This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not

| > support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh,

the

| > thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*.

| >

| > The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs,

| > applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general

| > user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO

| > advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them.

| >

| > Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that

most

| > may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the

| > Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to

| > supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these

| > necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious

decisions

| > and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or

reliance

| > upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough}

sources...

| >

| > BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was

the

| > only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the

| > governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained

or

| > brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the

| > USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and

foreign]

| > demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of

information/data,

| > but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy

of

| > that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any

| > shared data is held private]...

| > So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom

do

| > you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected

by

| > those services.

| >

|

| You right about one thing MEB, I'm holding my new copy of Kubuntu 7.04

| that arrived today. IMO 98SE is the most stable and easily controllable

| OS of the ages. It's a shame that the Planned Obsolescence Policies

| mandated by Bill Gates wreak so much havoc on the world. Not to mention

| the environmental damage caused through the disposal of perfectly good

| hardware - just because it's "Not Microsoft Certified." I hope you're

| right about increasing Linux development.

Well so am I; hopeful that is.

The sheer impact of all this *throw away society* and *designed in

obsolence* are yet to be fully addressed. Personally, I'm not sure they ever

will be, at least, before the sheer weight adds to the already overburdened

*world scale*, tipping the balance so radically as to be unrecoverable. The

general attitude is that we still have several decades of abuse before we

REALLY need to be concerned. As if the world can't add up all of the recent

world weather [and land] events.

But then we are dealing with world markets and investors demanding

reasonable profits regardless of the impact of those investments. We need

look to look at the entire picture of course. Regretfully much is left out

of the considerations, like the massive waste produced and massive energy

consumption, which can now be offset by supposed "green credits", meaning

investments in *future environmentally friendly* [and that can be decades

down the road] aspects can be used to offset present violations/destruction.

Moreover, those who show concern are outweighed by the investors in the

markets. Though a front may be placed for environmentally friendly aspects,

when it effects the investors returns, monentary enhancement over-rules the

supposed attempts because it MUST be profitable.

As for software development: The sad reality is most younger programmers

follow the money. *Microsoft programming* signifies that money. Its no

longer *good enough* for many, to receive peer recognition for your work,

monetary aspects generally are saught in some form.

I suppose it relates to the generally sad reality of the world, in whole.

BTW: I forgot {though you probably already do} to advise using DirectX 9.0c

with your card...

|

| As for Google, the firm has recently aligned with a few states in the US

| to develop an all-in-one database the would be so comprehensive a person

| would need only to type in MEB at the search field and the results would

| include MEB'S civil, criminal, social, and health histories in one

| encompassing return. To me, that's too much power of information for

| any corporation to ever exclusively control.

|

| --

| STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

Well, thanks for bringing that to light; but of course we shouldn't condemn

Google for the very same things occurring everywhere else. I could have

placed several sites upon which this [or similar] can already occur [and has

for years], but then I would be participating in the very thing I abhor.

When the governments [uS and foreign] fomented the "patriot plans" and this

*assign all who oppose the government agenda as malcontents, radicals,

obstructionists, radicals, and "terrorist"*, any semblence of privacy was

lost, as well as any supposed *citizen* control. When corporatism [search US

Supreme Court rulings for the definition] trumped people controlled

government, there was only one outcome available.

Think of it like this:

When the governments and businesses started installing cameras on roadways

and buildings, supposedly to monitor traffic and potential illegal activity,

they essentially physically assigned EVERYONE as a potential criminal or

terrorist. Of course it was seen as reasonable for them to claim it was just

for safety and security of others, e.g. public welfare and protection.

When the governments [and they all did] fully instituted their policies for

*homeland safety*, removing the controls once placed upon them by the

peoples of the world by collecting and freely transferring information on

ANY of the peoples, any supposed privacy was lost. It was seen as reasonable

for the governments to claim it was for public welfare and safety.

When people began worrying openly about their safety and their children's,

and demanding the ability to investigate their neighbors ONLINE, any privacy

and obscurity was lost. It was lauded by the public and government as

distinctly for public welfare and safety.

When it became profitable to create or invest in businesses which do

complete investigations into ANYONE's background, privacy was placed in the

realm of non-existence; money or other enhancement outweigh others privacy

concerns. It became entirely reasonable for this to occur as long as profit

was had. Ask any CEO and the new millionaires, they will tell you so.

In fact: Ask the general world population; though they may find aspects

intrusive, but on whole, it must be okay because its for safety and

security....

Here's some things you may have overlooked:

When Google makes it a *no brainer* to check on ANYONE ANYWHERE, more

people MAY begin to understand their complete lack of privacy. When they

realize they may be seen as what they are or as what is fraudulently

presented as them, MAYBE the light will turn on, and we will see a return to

a measure of privacy. When they find out what their *personal ranking* is,

MAYBE they might be concerned...

Let all those who think they have nothing to hide, find out just how

damaging complete lack of privacy is.

Tax returns, domestic disputes, divorce, traffic tickets, going to the

wrong place at the wrong time, civil suits, videos of them talking to

someone in innocently being brought as questionable activity, health issues,

Internet tracks, credit disputes, email activity, online purchases, and

EVERYTHING else they do, is already monitored and logged; so perhaps

smacking everyone on the head with that 2 X 4 of non-existent privacy will

bring a demand for a return to that privacy. These are big MAYBES though.

So for Google to expose this complete lack of privacy to the world [which

has been occurring for years]: perhaps that IS what is needed to dispel the

complacency, to remove that *nose ring* from the governments' chattel.....

Until the general population understands: all this non-existent privacy

really provides nothing of true value for their increased security and

safety [there has always been other ways]; that all this armed and ready to

kill "security" is a real danger to EVERYONE; that this increased "fear

factor" is part of an old world plan; that much of what occurs, including

terrorist attacks, IS part of the plan; that .... well there I go, off on a

supposed *radical* rant, though I have spent years researching these issues

and others, and created a site to document and expose this and other aspects

......

Ah well, as far as I can see, this realization will never occur... what

corporation, business, or government is now going to give up these

abilities? What legislature or parliament would ever act to change this....

How many people actually understand what those government created "Patriot

Acts" and *homeland security Acts* [here and abroad] were actually for? Or

more importantly, even care...

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July 15, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com

> Greetings,

>

> I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing

> the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to

> shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down

> perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and

> said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard

> from them.

>

> Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down?

> Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help.

>

> And be sure to avoid anything from BFG.

It's not BFG's fault but I would think it's nVidia since I have a similar

problem with a nVidia 6600GT using drivers version 81.98 it won't shutdown

right either giving Protection Errors.. however I know others who use that

version with 9x and other video cards with no problem. Anyway I had always

used the v77.72 drivers for 98SE with no problems whatsoever, and so it's

possible that with you using v82.16 drivers that shutdown issue for 9x is still

prevalent if the BFG/nVidia rendition didn't worl it out.. I would have

suggested to drop down to v77.72 but I see you say that it won't install for

your model... ..What kind of errors are you actually getting anyway?

I may at somepoint search out a newer version than v77.72 for 9x, heck I may

even try the unofficial 82.69 MSFN drivers... ..did you try them yet Tamiami?

I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will

install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG....

http://www.bfgtech.com/driverdownload.aspx

.....and can't find the ones you have - do you know another place to get that

particular ones? Is it on your CD? Do you have a way to upload them

somewhere? I can create an account for you on my site or you can use this free

place that's easy

http://w12.easy-share.com/

Rick

>

> --

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July 15, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message

news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl

> I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will

> install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG....

[....]

I found them here:

http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx

direct download (as of today anway)

http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip

..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too

July 15, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message

news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl

> I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will

> install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG....

[....]

I found them here:

http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx

direct download (as of today anway)

http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip

..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too

July 15, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message

news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl

> I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will

> install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG....

[....]

I found them here:

http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx

direct download (as of today anway)

http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip

..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too

July 15, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

Just a fyi & fwiw......

Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play..

~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get shutdown

problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work fine.

~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but the

shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise the

drivers do work okay.

~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is back

to normal with no problems per-sey.

Rick

July 16, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message

news:egDEuoyxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|

| Just a fyi & fwiw......

|

| Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play..

|

| ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get

shutdown

| problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work

fine.

|

| ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but

the

| shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise

the

| drivers do work okay.

|

| ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is

back

| to normal with no problems per-sey.

|

| Rick

|

Seems we do this a lot,,, okay I had no real issues AFTER I let *Tune-up

Application Startup* do its dirty work and the driver had a chance to settle

in... so I suppose we need to compare and NO shutdown issues at all [though

there is an occasional video lockup after a virus scan when done during

idle/my sleep time, but I'm about to put that to extensive DirectX use

before the idle time with no shutdown, may be a memory release issue] :

I use the PNY FX 5500 PCI card, what's yours?

This is the ONLY unofficial driver or tweak [though I applied the reg tweak

for the driver] in this test system [not even the normal shell scrap fix has

been added], was the test done in your usual manner of a cloned clean

partition/installation with no tweaks?

Anything else we should compare? Perhaps your newer motherboard is a closer

comparison to his?

BTW: I agree the 77.72 was a much more stable driver for my older card as

well.. though the 81.98 performed fairly well after it ran for a few

weeks..though for some reason the uninstaller NEVER worked.. but the 77.72

or the 81.98 driver only supports up to 6800 card [according to the

NVAGP.inf so he definitely needs a newer driver or a tweaked older driver].

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July 16, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might help

with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage and

save the information?

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July 16, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

Rick Chauvin wrote:

> Just a fyi & fwiw......

>

> Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play..

>

> ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get shutdown

> problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work fine.

>

> ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but the

> shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise the

> drivers do work okay.

>

> ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is back

> to normal with no problems per-sey.

>

> Rick

Thanks for the follow through and updates Rick. No, I haven't had time

for the massive driver test (hope to sometime this week), so I can't say

anything about the unofficial 82.69 installation yet. Although, if

you're not having much success, I'm guessing I won't either. May have

to try the 77.72 package.

FWIW, I DO think it's BFG's fault. They marketed this card to work with

older MB's, AGP and 98SE and their tech support didn't support at all.

Actually claiming to have conquered the shutdown problem on 98SE with a

different BIOS version on a different card during their own testing and

then - "allegedly" planning for an exchange with me. And that's the

last I heard from them. After repeated emails and months of

frustration. Obviously they had no fix and were just humping me.

If the 82.16 driver package never worked with 98SE and the 7800GS AGP,

then they shouldn't have promoted that it would. Let alone including

the disc with the retail package.

Like I said, avoid anything BFG.

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Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

MEB wrote:

> Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might help

> with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage and

> save the information?

>

> --

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> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> _______

>

Hi MEB,

If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck.

I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know

the verdict.

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July 16, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:469bcc41$0$12188$4c368faf@roadrunner.com

> Rick Chauvin wrote:

>> Just a fyi & fwiw......

>>

>> Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play..

>>

>> ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get

>> shutdown problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the

>> drivers work fine.

>>

>> ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but

>> the shutdown problems were still there along with other problems;

>> otherwise the drivers do work okay.

>>

>> ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup

>> is back to normal with no problems per-sey.

>>

>> Rick

>

> Thanks for the follow through and updates Rick. No, I haven't had time

> for the massive driver test (hope to sometime this week), so I can't say

> anything about the unofficial 82.69 installation yet. Although, if

> you're not having much success, I'm guessing I won't either. May have

> to try the 77.72 package.

It can't hurt to try the 82.69 really, and just becasue I had issues with it

does not mean you will since your setup is different.

> FWIW, I DO think it's BFG's fault. They marketed this card to work with

> older MB's, AGP and 98SE and their tech support didn't support at all.

I understand you point and support that.

> Actually claiming to have conquered the shutdown problem on 98SE with a

> different BIOS version on a different card during their own testing and

> then - "allegedly" planning for an exchange with me. And that's the

> last I heard from them. After repeated emails and months of

> frustration. Obviously they had no fix and were just humping me.

Can't hurt to call them again, keep your position friendly but firm with it

though so that they don't turn off to you, you will get more mileage doing it

that way - you know what I mean.

> If the 82.16 driver package never worked with 98SE and the 7800GS AGP,

> then they shouldn't have promoted that it would. Let alone including

> the disc with the retail package.

I'm not taking their side and just talking outloud here, but have seen

situations with other software's where something would work for hundreds of

people but an isolated problem would only show up just for one and there is no

way for them to have known that until it happened. Keep the pressure on them,

lightly. Also, make sure you go through all the Shutdown links around here and

try everything first before going on since there were many things that solve

shutdown problems with W98 and some worked for others where others worked for

some - get a handle on them all. Mine was somewhat different since it was a

protection error and so that falls into the next subject category, but it's a

reaction with my unique setup and the newer drivers.

Rick

July 16, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

Hi MEB,

I use nVidia 6600GT mounted on an Intel D865PERLL

My interest and eye caught Tamiami posts subject only because I was playing

with a new video application that wouldn't work right with the years of solid

performance of the 77.72 driver. I was only play testing so I had no plans on

really updating. I always knew the 81.98 gave me a particular shutdown issue

(a particular limited protection error on shutdown but not on 'restart in dos'

or regular 'restart') and it also broke the operation of another video program

I had and so back then it was back to 77.72 and I've stayed there ever since

....anyway, on a whim seeing Tamiami had a v82.16 that worked with W98 which I

never new existed I wanted to give it a test go only to see how it changed my

test video application functioning is all, but just like 81.98 it had the same

problems for my setup; so now this was an opportunity to even give MGDx's

v82.69 a go ..but that did not work for me even as well as 81.98 or 82.16 did

in those unique situations (otherwise it worked fine) ...so again it's staying

with my 77.72 and no worries here.

Anyway to your next post all the shutdown issues I'm well versed in and this

setup has had all those done years ago to it. I also understand the protection

error issue and it's also common with nVidia over the years.

We also know that everytime they update a video driver to work better for some

issues, invariably it break other issues ..the same ole same ole story.

I'm good to go though as is..

take care,

Rick

July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:469bccf8$0$12188$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| MEB wrote:

| > Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might

help

| > with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage

and

| > save the information?

| >

| > --

| > MEB

| > _______

| >

|

| Hi MEB,

|

| If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck.

| I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know

| the verdict.

|

| --

| STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as

installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done, right?

Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77 driver

which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little

deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe

someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer mods

somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when in

their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....]

So what you have is AGP right?

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_______

July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message

news:OOBy0S$xHHA.276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| Hi MEB,

Hi again Rick, we have to stop meeting like this,,,, people will begin to

talk,,,, hahahahah.. umm,,

|

| I use nVidia 6600GT mounted on an Intel D865PERLL

|

| My interest and eye caught Tamiami posts subject only because I was

playing

| with a new video application that wouldn't work right with the years of

solid

| performance of the 77.72 driver. I was only play testing so I had no

plans on

| really updating. I always knew the 81.98 gave me a particular shutdown

issue

| (a particular limited protection error on shutdown but not on 'restart in

dos'

| or regular 'restart') and it also broke the operation of another video

program

| I had and so back then it was back to 77.72 and I've stayed there ever

since

| ...anyway, on a whim seeing Tamiami had a v82.16 that worked with W98

which I

| never new existed I wanted to give it a test go only to see how it changed

my

| test video application functioning is all, but just like 81.98 it had the

same

| problems for my setup; so now this was an opportunity to even give MGDx's

| v82.69 a go ..but that did not work for me even as well as 81.98 or 82.16

did

| in those unique situations (otherwise it worked fine) ...so again it's

staying

| with my 77.72 and no worries here.

Yep, the 77 seems to be the most stable for the below 6800 cards...

Did you attempt the registry tweaks included with the read me or on the

site?

Just curious ya know...

|

| Anyway to your next post all the shutdown issues I'm well versed in and

this

| setup has had all those done years ago to it. I also understand the

protection

| error issue and it's also common with nVidia over the years.

|

| We also know that everytime they update a video driver to work better for

some

| issues, invariably it break other issues ..the same ole same ole story.

|

| I'm good to go though as is..

|

| take care,

|

| Rick

|

Yeah, entirely reasonable to say that a fix generally brings with it more

failures,, gotta wonder about the programmers nowadays.

Heck one needs look no further than Microsoft to have that proven beyond

doubt...

Thanks for the input, as usual,,,,,

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July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

MEB wrote:

> | Hi MEB,

> |

> | If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck.

> | I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know

> | the verdict.

> |

> | --

> | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

>

> Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as

> installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done, right?

>

> Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77 driver

> which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little

> deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe

> someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer mods

> somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when in

> their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....]

> So what you have is AGP right?

>

> --

> MEB

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> _______

>

Hello again MEB,

Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this

card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the

process.

Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG

7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with

fast shutdown disabled.

Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability,

with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the

82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown,

with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is

tomorrow.

Thanks again.

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July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message

news:469cccd4$0$4652$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

| MEB wrote:

|

| > | Hi MEB,

| > |

| > | If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck.

| > | I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you

know

| > | the verdict.

| > |

| > | --

| > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

| >

| > Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as

| > installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done,

right?

| >

| > Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77

driver

| > which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little

| > deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe

| > someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer

mods

| > somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when

in

| > their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....]

| > So what you have is AGP right?

| >

| > --

| > MEB

| > _______

| >

|

| Hello again MEB,

|

| Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this

| card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the

| process.

|

| Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG

| 7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with

| fast shutdown disabled.

|

| Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability,

| with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the

| 82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown,

| with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is

| tomorrow.

|

| Thanks again.

|

| --

| STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

The NVAGP.inf from the 81.98 does not contain support for your card. And

rethinking a possible mod [and looking at the driver files], the 77 version

likely would not supply the support needed for your intended chipset/card...

Okay, then, let us know how it turns out, document the exact errors if

possible, use some monitoring tools like memload, process explorer, regmon,

etc., and maybe the info can be directed to some individuals that could

correct the errors...

No driver means default vga and no DirectX/DirectPlay/OpenGL etc... with

the driver your bringing a number of other system activities into play..

But, Keep your fingers crossed...

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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

_______

July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OEQTpnAyHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl

[...]

> Yep, the 77 seems to be the most stable for the below 6800 cards...

>

> Did you attempt the registry tweaks included with the read me or on the

> site? Just curious ya know...

I always had the coolbits components reg installed and so am/was used to

and enjoyed those extra settings made visible, but with v82.69 I did notice

an unlocked feature in my panel.. but nothing that I briefly saw had any

immediate benefit for me.

I see that Tamiami now clarifies that it's a protection error...

Those seem to be common with nVidia drivers in my travels.

I read where you offered to add her card into the .inf so it would

recognize it - if it was my card that's just what I would do to - nothing

to loose; however, make real sure Tamiami has partition image backup

software just in case and knows how to use it, otherwise tread with caution

since if for whatever unknown reason it won't boot like video mod's may

often cause, Tamiami will need a way out ...or I should say back.

You would have to pull the info from 82.16 though since it's not on 77, and

yes it's a long shot I agree. Best that Tamiami tries to get BFG to step

up to the plate or get a refund. fwiw, the other day when I tried both the

82 drivers in each case caused me the non-fatal protection error on

Shutdown too, it was non- fatal in that up pressing Shutdown it would go

through the motions and just as it was about to shutoff up pops the

protection error, giving you the choice to at least restart from there, or

at that point just push the PowerOff button (on my setup anyway) One way

Tamiami can shutdown right in this case is to click Restart instead of the

Shutdown button, and then at the very beginning of the restart at or even

just before the graphic post on the screen, shut the power button - that

way avoids any bad shutdowns, scandisk, etc...

Rick

> Yeah, entirely reasonable to say that a fix generally brings with it

> more failures,, gotta wonder about the programmers nowadays.

>

> Heck one needs look no further than Microsoft to have that proven beyond

> doubt...

>

> Thanks for the input, as usual,,,,,

>

> --

> MEB

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> ________

July 17, 2007

Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem

MEB wrote:

> |

> | Hello again MEB,

> |

> | Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this

> | card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the

> | process.

> |

> | Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG

> | 7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with

> | fast shutdown disabled.

> |

> | Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability,

> | with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the

> | 82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown,

> | with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is

> | tomorrow.

> |

> | Thanks again.

> |

> | --

> | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.

>

> The NVAGP.inf from the 81.98 does not contain support for your card. And

> rethinking a possible mod [and looking at the driver files], the 77 version

> likely would not supply the support needed for your intended chipset/card...

> Okay, then, let us know how it turns out, document the exact errors if

> possible, use some monitoring tools like memload, process explorer, regmon,

> etc., and maybe the info can be directed to some individuals that could

> correct the errors...

>

> No driver means default vga and no DirectX/DirectPlay/OpenGL etc... with

> the driver your bringing a number of other system activities into play..

>

> But, Keep your fingers crossed...

>

> --

> MEB

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> _______

FWIW, the 82.16 package did not install NVAGP.inf. The inf file

installed is named NVAML.inf.

Fingers are crossed.

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