Guest Tamiami Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Greetings, I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard from them. Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest MEB Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | Greetings, | | I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing | the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to | shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down | perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and | said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard | from them. | | Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? | Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. | | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. | | | -- | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* driver for 9X. MDGX lists an unofficial : Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]: http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE Documentation [this file, English]: http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php also available as plain text (ASCII): http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few weeks. As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is a tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be applied. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:14:11 -0400, Tamiami <nospam@noway.moc> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Greetings, > >I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing >the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to >shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down >perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and >said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard >from them. > >Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? > Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. > >And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. FWIW, I have had shutdown issues in both Win95 and Win98 whenever video caching was enabled in the BIOS setup. Aside from disabling caching, I could avoid the problem by bringing up a full-screen DOS window and then exiting to the GUI just before shutting down. I presume this procedure flushed the cache in some way. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Tamiami Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem MEB wrote: > "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message > news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > | Greetings, > | > | I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing > | the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to > | shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down > | perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and > | said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard > | from them. > | > | Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? > | Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. > | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. > | > | > | -- > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. > > > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* driver > for 9X. > > MDGX lists an unofficial : > > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 > SE/ME > > > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]: > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE > Documentation [this file, English]: > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php > also available as plain text (ASCII): > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT > > > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few weeks. > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is a > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be > applied. > > Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest Tamiami Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem Franc Zabkar wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:14:11 -0400, Tamiami <nospam@noway.moc> put > finger to keyboard and composed: > >> Greetings, >> >> I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing >> the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to >> shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down >> perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and >> said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard >>from them. >> Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? >> Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. >> >> And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. > > FWIW, I have had shutdown issues in both Win95 and Win98 whenever > video caching was enabled in the BIOS setup. Aside from disabling > caching, I could avoid the problem by bringing up a full-screen DOS > window and then exiting to the GUI just before shutting down. I > presume this procedure flushed the cache in some way. > > - Franc Zabkar Thanks Franc. I'll check on caching status, but I don't think it's enabled presently. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest MEB Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:46963452$0$24766$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | MEB wrote: | > "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message | > news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | > | Greetings, | > | | > | I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing | > | the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to | > | shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down | > | perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and | > | said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard | > | from them. | > | | > | Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? | > | Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. | > | | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. | > | | > | | > | -- | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. | > | > | > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* driver | > for 9X. | > | > MDGX lists an unofficial : | > | > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 | > SE/ME | > | > | > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]: | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE | > Documentation [this file, English]: | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php | > also available as plain text (ASCII): | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT | > | > | > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few weeks. | > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is a | > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be | > applied. | > | > | | Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install | the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card. | | -- | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. That raises a good point. Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various fixes. Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed fixes/ports will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the ability to do those ports will continue to do so. Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the manufacturers for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they do because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification, whereas, doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites for WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the users of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as those users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via Microsoft. Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA should understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies some automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that was intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and applications. This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh, the thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*. The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs, applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them. Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that most may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious decisions and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or reliance upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough} sources... BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was the only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained or brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and foreign] demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of information/data, but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy of that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any shared data is held private]... So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom do you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected by those services. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest Tamiami Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem MEB wrote: <snip> > | > | > | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. > | > > | > > | > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* > driver > | > for 9X. > | > > | > MDGX lists an unofficial : > | > > | > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 > | > SE/ME > | > > | > > | > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]: > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE > | > Documentation [this file, English]: > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php > | > also available as plain text (ASCII): > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT > | > > | > > | > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few > weeks. > | > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is > a > | > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be > | > applied. > | > > | > > | > | Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install > | the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card. > | > | -- > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. > > That raises a good point. > > Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of > devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various fixes. > Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed fixes/ports > will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the > ability to do those ports will continue to do so. > Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the manufacturers > for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they do > because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification, whereas, > doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites for > WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the users > of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as those > users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via > Microsoft. > Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA should > understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating > systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with > updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an > activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies some > automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that was > intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and > require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and > applications. > This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not > support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh, the > thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*. > > The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs, > applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general > user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO > advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them. > > Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that most > may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the > Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to > supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these > necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious decisions > and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or reliance > upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough} sources... > > BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was the > only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the > governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained or > brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the > USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and foreign] > demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of information/data, > but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy of > that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any > shared data is held private]... > So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom do > you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected by > those services. > You right about one thing MEB, I'm holding my new copy of Kubuntu 7.04 that arrived today. IMO 98SE is the most stable and easily controllable OS of the ages. It's a shame that the Planned Obsolescence Policies mandated by Bill Gates wreak so much havoc on the world. Not to mention the environmental damage caused through the disposal of perfectly good hardware - just because it's "Not Microsoft Certified." I hope you're right about increasing Linux development. As for Google, the firm has recently aligned with a few states in the US to develop an all-in-one database the would be so comprehensive a person would need only to type in MEB at the search field and the results would include MEB'S civil, criminal, social, and health histories in one encompassing return. To me, that's too much power of information for any corporation to ever exclusively control. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest MEB Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:4698d4d5$0$8018$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | MEB wrote: | <snip> | > | > |Tamiami wrote: | > | > | And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | -- | > | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. | > | > | > | > | > | > 81.98_forceware_win9x_english.exe from nVidia is the last *official* | > driver | > | > for 9X. | > | > | > | > MDGX lists an unofficial : | > | > | > | > Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 | > | > SE/ME | > | > | > | > | > | > Automated installer executable [14.5 MB, multilingual]: | > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE | > | > Documentation [this file, English]: | > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php | > | > also available as plain text (ASCII): | > | > http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT | > | > | > | > | > | > I have installed that driver, which has work "fairly well" for a few | > weeks. | > | > As usual, your system is different so it may or may not work. Note it is | > a | > | > tweaked driver, also that the NV8269 text shows reg tweaks which can be | > | > applied. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Thanks so much MEB. Will give it a try. I previously tried to install | > | the 81.98 package and wouldn't install with this card. | > | | > | -- | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. | > | > That raises a good point. | > | > Since 98 is an unsupported OS with most of the major manufacturers of | > devices, users will be searching for un-official drivers and various fixes. | > Hopefully those with the savy to *properly* test these supposed fixes/ports | > will do so for the rest of the users. Moreover, hopefully those with the | > ability to do those ports will continue to do so. | > Uniquely or not, Linux ports ARE being created by many of the manufacturers | > for these newer devices [one could make a reasonable argument that they do | > because that still allows them to get MS validation/certification, whereas, | > doing otherwise may cause them to not get this, check the various sites for | > WHY they may not go the full route for VISTA certification], or by the users | > of the OS. These unsupported MS OS users are now in that same boat as those | > users of Linux/other OSs.... user support for the OS rather than via | > Microsoft. | > Even those presently using the supported OSs such as XP and VISTA should | > understand that they are using true TIME LIMITED software / operating | > systems. DRM is fully applied within them [and still being enhanced with | > updates], so their *End Of Life* is end of product the first time an | > activation is required beyond such support, unless Microsoft supplies some | > automatic method to do so. Don't hold your breath for this one, if that was | > intended then merely changing hardware would NOT be a consideration and | > require potential re-activation. These are NOT portable/movable OSs and | > applications. | > This is going to leave an awful lot of *XP system* users that can not | > support VISTA or 9X searching for Linux or other OSs to use [whoooooosh, the | > thought bulb flickers] after *End of Support Life*. | > | > The same holds true for vulnerabilities in the unsupported OSs, | > applications, and other aspects. If it may cause issues for the general | > user, those same users [for the most part] are the ones who will HAVE TO | > advise other users, and create or advise of patches to correct them. | > | > Of course this overlays a responsibility upon the Microsoft user that most | > may be unfamiliar with. Having relied upon Microsoft to supply the | > Notifications and updates and security fixes, and the manufacturers to | > supply the needed updated drivers and/or software, when faced with these | > necessary fixes, these users WILL have to make their own conscious decisions | > and hopefully informed choices, rather than blind acceptance of or reliance | > upon those previously *trusted*, *certified*, *bugfree* {cough} sources... | > | > BTW, I note the "Stop using Google NOW". You do realize that Google was the | > only major data base holder who fought the government in court when the | > governments demanded access to its data base [others may have complained or | > brought suit, but they readily supplied the data when pressed]. Even the | > USENET servers collapsed under pressure of the governments' [uS and foreign] | > demands. So YES, Google does collect massive amounts of information/data, | > but it may be one of the few who actually may be concerned with privacy of | > that collected data [it requires its *associates* to also guarantee any | > shared data is held private]... | > So since your fostering the idea that Google should not be used, whom do | > you suggest? Provide proof that privacy is protected or better protected by | > those services. | > | | You right about one thing MEB, I'm holding my new copy of Kubuntu 7.04 | that arrived today. IMO 98SE is the most stable and easily controllable | OS of the ages. It's a shame that the Planned Obsolescence Policies | mandated by Bill Gates wreak so much havoc on the world. Not to mention | the environmental damage caused through the disposal of perfectly good | hardware - just because it's "Not Microsoft Certified." I hope you're | right about increasing Linux development. Well so am I; hopeful that is. The sheer impact of all this *throw away society* and *designed in obsolence* are yet to be fully addressed. Personally, I'm not sure they ever will be, at least, before the sheer weight adds to the already overburdened *world scale*, tipping the balance so radically as to be unrecoverable. The general attitude is that we still have several decades of abuse before we REALLY need to be concerned. As if the world can't add up all of the recent world weather [and land] events. But then we are dealing with world markets and investors demanding reasonable profits regardless of the impact of those investments. We need look to look at the entire picture of course. Regretfully much is left out of the considerations, like the massive waste produced and massive energy consumption, which can now be offset by supposed "green credits", meaning investments in *future environmentally friendly* [and that can be decades down the road] aspects can be used to offset present violations/destruction. Moreover, those who show concern are outweighed by the investors in the markets. Though a front may be placed for environmentally friendly aspects, when it effects the investors returns, monentary enhancement over-rules the supposed attempts because it MUST be profitable. As for software development: The sad reality is most younger programmers follow the money. *Microsoft programming* signifies that money. Its no longer *good enough* for many, to receive peer recognition for your work, monetary aspects generally are saught in some form. I suppose it relates to the generally sad reality of the world, in whole. BTW: I forgot {though you probably already do} to advise using DirectX 9.0c with your card... | | As for Google, the firm has recently aligned with a few states in the US | to develop an all-in-one database the would be so comprehensive a person | would need only to type in MEB at the search field and the results would | include MEB'S civil, criminal, social, and health histories in one | encompassing return. To me, that's too much power of information for | any corporation to ever exclusively control. | | -- | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. Well, thanks for bringing that to light; but of course we shouldn't condemn Google for the very same things occurring everywhere else. I could have placed several sites upon which this [or similar] can already occur [and has for years], but then I would be participating in the very thing I abhor. When the governments [uS and foreign] fomented the "patriot plans" and this *assign all who oppose the government agenda as malcontents, radicals, obstructionists, radicals, and "terrorist"*, any semblence of privacy was lost, as well as any supposed *citizen* control. When corporatism [search US Supreme Court rulings for the definition] trumped people controlled government, there was only one outcome available. Think of it like this: When the governments and businesses started installing cameras on roadways and buildings, supposedly to monitor traffic and potential illegal activity, they essentially physically assigned EVERYONE as a potential criminal or terrorist. Of course it was seen as reasonable for them to claim it was just for safety and security of others, e.g. public welfare and protection. When the governments [and they all did] fully instituted their policies for *homeland safety*, removing the controls once placed upon them by the peoples of the world by collecting and freely transferring information on ANY of the peoples, any supposed privacy was lost. It was seen as reasonable for the governments to claim it was for public welfare and safety. When people began worrying openly about their safety and their children's, and demanding the ability to investigate their neighbors ONLINE, any privacy and obscurity was lost. It was lauded by the public and government as distinctly for public welfare and safety. When it became profitable to create or invest in businesses which do complete investigations into ANYONE's background, privacy was placed in the realm of non-existence; money or other enhancement outweigh others privacy concerns. It became entirely reasonable for this to occur as long as profit was had. Ask any CEO and the new millionaires, they will tell you so. In fact: Ask the general world population; though they may find aspects intrusive, but on whole, it must be okay because its for safety and security.... Here's some things you may have overlooked: When Google makes it a *no brainer* to check on ANYONE ANYWHERE, more people MAY begin to understand their complete lack of privacy. When they realize they may be seen as what they are or as what is fraudulently presented as them, MAYBE the light will turn on, and we will see a return to a measure of privacy. When they find out what their *personal ranking* is, MAYBE they might be concerned... Let all those who think they have nothing to hide, find out just how damaging complete lack of privacy is. Tax returns, domestic disputes, divorce, traffic tickets, going to the wrong place at the wrong time, civil suits, videos of them talking to someone in innocently being brought as questionable activity, health issues, Internet tracks, credit disputes, email activity, online purchases, and EVERYTHING else they do, is already monitored and logged; so perhaps smacking everyone on the head with that 2 X 4 of non-existent privacy will bring a demand for a return to that privacy. These are big MAYBES though. So for Google to expose this complete lack of privacy to the world [which has been occurring for years]: perhaps that IS what is needed to dispel the complacency, to remove that *nose ring* from the governments' chattel..... Until the general population understands: all this non-existent privacy really provides nothing of true value for their increased security and safety [there has always been other ways]; that all this armed and ready to kill "security" is a real danger to EVERYONE; that this increased "fear factor" is part of an old world plan; that much of what occurs, including terrorist attacks, IS part of the plan; that .... well there I go, off on a supposed *radical* rant, though I have spent years researching these issues and others, and created a site to document and expose this and other aspects ...... Ah well, as far as I can see, this realization will never occur... what corporation, business, or government is now going to give up these abilities? What legislature or parliament would ever act to change this.... How many people actually understand what those government created "Patriot Acts" and *homeland security Acts* [here and abroad] were actually for? Or more importantly, even care... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/Expose_crimes_V1.html http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_Volume_II.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_volume_iii.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_Volume_IV.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_volume_v.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_volume_vi.htm http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/people_v_bonini/expose/expose_volume_viii.htm ________
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:469539d1$0$4664$4c368faf@roadrunner.com > Greetings, > > I recently purchased a BFG Nvidia 7800GS AGP card and since installing > the drivers (version 82.16, allegedly for 98SE) the machine refuses to > shutdown properly. Upon deleting the driver package, it shuts down > perfectly. The shutdown patch has been applied. BFG is stumped and > said they are referring the issue to Nvidia and that's the last I heard > from them. > > Is there driver release software that would assist 98 in shutting down? > Maybe a batch file? EnditAll doesn't help. > > And be sure to avoid anything from BFG. It's not BFG's fault but I would think it's nVidia since I have a similar problem with a nVidia 6600GT using drivers version 81.98 it won't shutdown right either giving Protection Errors.. however I know others who use that version with 9x and other video cards with no problem. Anyway I had always used the v77.72 drivers for 98SE with no problems whatsoever, and so it's possible that with you using v82.16 drivers that shutdown issue for 9x is still prevalent if the BFG/nVidia rendition didn't worl it out.. I would have suggested to drop down to v77.72 but I see you say that it won't install for your model... ..What kind of errors are you actually getting anyway? I may at somepoint search out a newer version than v77.72 for 9x, heck I may even try the unofficial 82.69 MSFN drivers... ..did you try them yet Tamiami? I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG.... http://www.bfgtech.com/driverdownload.aspx .....and can't find the ones you have - do you know another place to get that particular ones? Is it on your CD? Do you have a way to upload them somewhere? I can create an account for you on my site or you can use this free place that's easy http://w12.easy-share.com/ Rick > > > -- > STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will > install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG.... [....] I found them here: http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx direct download (as of today anway) http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip ..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will > install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG.... [....] I found them here: http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx direct download (as of today anway) http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip ..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message news:OlITKAvxHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl > I may even try and get a hold of your drivers 82.16 and see if they will > install on my setup.. ..I just searched them out at BFG.... [....] I found them here: http://www2.bfgtech.com/bfgr78256gsoc.aspx direct download (as of today anway) http://www2.bfgtech.com/CMDocs/BFGTech/NVIDIADisplayWin9x%2882_16%29int.zip ..and fwiw it's Nvaml.inf does list my 6600GT and your 7800 GS too
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem Just a fyi & fwiw...... Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play.. ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get shutdown problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work fine. ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but the shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise the drivers do work okay. ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is back to normal with no problems per-sey. Rick
Guest MEB Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:egDEuoyxHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | | Just a fyi & fwiw...... | | Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play.. | | ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get shutdown | problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work fine. | | ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but the | shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise the | drivers do work okay. | | ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is back | to normal with no problems per-sey. | | Rick | Seems we do this a lot,,, okay I had no real issues AFTER I let *Tune-up Application Startup* do its dirty work and the driver had a chance to settle in... so I suppose we need to compare and NO shutdown issues at all [though there is an occasional video lockup after a virus scan when done during idle/my sleep time, but I'm about to put that to extensive DirectX use before the idle time with no shutdown, may be a memory release issue] : I use the PNY FX 5500 PCI card, what's yours? This is the ONLY unofficial driver or tweak [though I applied the reg tweak for the driver] in this test system [not even the normal shell scrap fix has been added], was the test done in your usual manner of a cloned clean partition/installation with no tweaks? Anything else we should compare? Perhaps your newer motherboard is a closer comparison to his? BTW: I agree the 77.72 was a much more stable driver for my older card as well.. though the 81.98 performed fairly well after it ran for a few weeks..though for some reason the uninstaller NEVER worked.. but the 77.72 or the 81.98 driver only supports up to 6800 card [according to the NVAGP.inf so he definitely needs a newer driver or a tweaked older driver]. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _______
Guest MEB Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might help with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage and save the information? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _______
Guest Tamiami Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem Rick Chauvin wrote: > Just a fyi & fwiw...... > > Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play.. > > ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get shutdown > problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the drivers work fine. > > ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but the > shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; otherwise the > drivers do work okay. > > ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup is back > to normal with no problems per-sey. > > Rick Thanks for the follow through and updates Rick. No, I haven't had time for the massive driver test (hope to sometime this week), so I can't say anything about the unofficial 82.69 installation yet. Although, if you're not having much success, I'm guessing I won't either. May have to try the 77.72 package. FWIW, I DO think it's BFG's fault. They marketed this card to work with older MB's, AGP and 98SE and their tech support didn't support at all. Actually claiming to have conquered the shutdown problem on 98SE with a different BIOS version on a different card during their own testing and then - "allegedly" planning for an exchange with me. And that's the last I heard from them. After repeated emails and months of frustration. Obviously they had no fix and were just humping me. If the 82.16 driver package never worked with 98SE and the 7800GS AGP, then they shouldn't have promoted that it would. Let alone including the disc with the retail package. Like I said, avoid anything BFG. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest Tamiami Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem MEB wrote: > Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might help > with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage and > save the information? > > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > _______ > Hi MEB, If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck. I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know the verdict. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:469bcc41$0$12188$4c368faf@roadrunner.com > Rick Chauvin wrote: >> Just a fyi & fwiw...... >> >> Being curious about it for my setup I made time to play.. >> >> ~I updated from my v77.72 drivers to your v82.16 and yes I do get >> shutdown problems too, and a few other issues as well; otherwise the >> drivers work fine. >> >> ~I then updated to MDGx driver v82.69 hoping for that to do better, but >> the shutdown problems were still there along with other problems; >> otherwise the drivers do work okay. >> >> ~I went back to my original v77.72 drivers and everything for my setup >> is back to normal with no problems per-sey. >> >> Rick > > Thanks for the follow through and updates Rick. No, I haven't had time > for the massive driver test (hope to sometime this week), so I can't say > anything about the unofficial 82.69 installation yet. Although, if > you're not having much success, I'm guessing I won't either. May have > to try the 77.72 package. It can't hurt to try the 82.69 really, and just becasue I had issues with it does not mean you will since your setup is different. > FWIW, I DO think it's BFG's fault. They marketed this card to work with > older MB's, AGP and 98SE and their tech support didn't support at all. I understand you point and support that. > Actually claiming to have conquered the shutdown problem on 98SE with a > different BIOS version on a different card during their own testing and > then - "allegedly" planning for an exchange with me. And that's the > last I heard from them. After repeated emails and months of > frustration. Obviously they had no fix and were just humping me. Can't hurt to call them again, keep your position friendly but firm with it though so that they don't turn off to you, you will get more mileage doing it that way - you know what I mean. > If the 82.16 driver package never worked with 98SE and the 7800GS AGP, > then they shouldn't have promoted that it would. Let alone including > the disc with the retail package. I'm not taking their side and just talking outloud here, but have seen situations with other software's where something would work for hundreds of people but an isolated problem would only show up just for one and there is no way for them to have known that until it happened. Keep the pressure on them, lightly. Also, make sure you go through all the Shutdown links around here and try everything first before going on since there were many things that solve shutdown problems with W98 and some worked for others where others worked for some - get a handle on them all. Mine was somewhat different since it was a protection error and so that falls into the next subject category, but it's a reaction with my unique setup and the newer drivers. Rick
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem Hi MEB, I use nVidia 6600GT mounted on an Intel D865PERLL My interest and eye caught Tamiami posts subject only because I was playing with a new video application that wouldn't work right with the years of solid performance of the 77.72 driver. I was only play testing so I had no plans on really updating. I always knew the 81.98 gave me a particular shutdown issue (a particular limited protection error on shutdown but not on 'restart in dos' or regular 'restart') and it also broke the operation of another video program I had and so back then it was back to 77.72 and I've stayed there ever since ....anyway, on a whim seeing Tamiami had a v82.16 that worked with W98 which I never new existed I wanted to give it a test go only to see how it changed my test video application functioning is all, but just like 81.98 it had the same problems for my setup; so now this was an opportunity to even give MGDx's v82.69 a go ..but that did not work for me even as well as 81.98 or 82.16 did in those unique situations (otherwise it worked fine) ...so again it's staying with my 77.72 and no worries here. Anyway to your next post all the shutdown issues I'm well versed in and this setup has had all those done years ago to it. I also understand the protection error issue and it's also common with nVidia over the years. We also know that everytime they update a video driver to work better for some issues, invariably it break other issues ..the same ole same ole story. I'm good to go though as is.. take care, Rick
Guest MEB Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:469bccf8$0$12188$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | MEB wrote: | > Umm, here's a wild thought, think one of the shutdown supplements might help | > with his shutdown issue since the driver does monitor application usage and | > save the information? | > | > | > -- | > MEB | > _______ | > | | Hi MEB, | | If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck. | I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know | the verdict. | | | -- | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done, right? Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77 driver which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer mods somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when in their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....] So what you have is AGP right? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _______
Guest MEB Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message news:OOBy0S$xHHA.276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Hi MEB, Hi again Rick, we have to stop meeting like this,,,, people will begin to talk,,,, hahahahah.. umm,, | | I use nVidia 6600GT mounted on an Intel D865PERLL | | My interest and eye caught Tamiami posts subject only because I was playing | with a new video application that wouldn't work right with the years of solid | performance of the 77.72 driver. I was only play testing so I had no plans on | really updating. I always knew the 81.98 gave me a particular shutdown issue | (a particular limited protection error on shutdown but not on 'restart in dos' | or regular 'restart') and it also broke the operation of another video program | I had and so back then it was back to 77.72 and I've stayed there ever since | ...anyway, on a whim seeing Tamiami had a v82.16 that worked with W98 which I | never new existed I wanted to give it a test go only to see how it changed my | test video application functioning is all, but just like 81.98 it had the same | problems for my setup; so now this was an opportunity to even give MGDx's | v82.69 a go ..but that did not work for me even as well as 81.98 or 82.16 did | in those unique situations (otherwise it worked fine) ...so again it's staying | with my 77.72 and no worries here. Yep, the 77 seems to be the most stable for the below 6800 cards... Did you attempt the registry tweaks included with the read me or on the site? Just curious ya know... | | Anyway to your next post all the shutdown issues I'm well versed in and this | setup has had all those done years ago to it. I also understand the protection | error issue and it's also common with nVidia over the years. | | We also know that everytime they update a video driver to work better for some | issues, invariably it break other issues ..the same ole same ole story. | | I'm good to go though as is.. | | take care, | | Rick | Yeah, entirely reasonable to say that a fix generally brings with it more failures,, gotta wonder about the programmers nowadays. Heck one needs look no further than Microsoft to have that proven beyond doubt... Thanks for the input, as usual,,,,, -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest Tamiami Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem MEB wrote: > | Hi MEB, > | > | If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck. > | I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know > | the verdict. > | > | > | -- > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. > > Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as > installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done, right? > > Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77 driver > which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little > deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe > someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer mods > somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when in > their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....] > So what you have is AGP right? > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > _______ > Hello again MEB, Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the process. Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG 7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with fast shutdown disabled. Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability, with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the 82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown, with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is tomorrow. Thanks again. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
Guest MEB Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "Tamiami" <nospam@noway.moc> wrote in message news:469cccd4$0$4652$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... | MEB wrote: | | > | Hi MEB, | > | | > | If you mean all M$ shutdown supps, they're in place and still no luck. | > | I will try the unofficial 82.69 install later this week and let you know | > | the verdict. | > | | > | | > | -- | > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. | > | > Okay, you do realize that one of those shutdown supps will show as | > installed but until you run the reg file, nothing is actually done, right? | > | > Yeah, let me know, I may try to work up a NVAGP.inf for the old 77 driver | > which includes support for your card... have to look into that a little | > deeper [of course I'll have nothing to test that against here] ... maybe | > someone already did that somewhere... or there are likely other newer mods | > somewhere... did you check the 3dtweak and gamers sites? [watch out when in | > their forums they ARE XP and VISTA fanatics ....] | > So what you have is AGP right? | > | > -- | > MEB | > _______ | > | | Hello again MEB, | | Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this | card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the | process. | | | Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG | 7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with | fast shutdown disabled. | | Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability, | with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the | 82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown, | with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is | tomorrow. | | Thanks again. | | | -- | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. The NVAGP.inf from the 81.98 does not contain support for your card. And rethinking a possible mod [and looking at the driver files], the 77 version likely would not supply the support needed for your intended chipset/card... Okay, then, let us know how it turns out, document the exact errors if possible, use some monitoring tools like memload, process explorer, regmon, etc., and maybe the info can be directed to some individuals that could correct the errors... No driver means default vga and no DirectX/DirectPlay/OpenGL etc... with the driver your bringing a number of other system activities into play.. But, Keep your fingers crossed... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _______
Guest Rick Chauvin Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OEQTpnAyHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl [...] > Yep, the 77 seems to be the most stable for the below 6800 cards... > > Did you attempt the registry tweaks included with the read me or on the > site? Just curious ya know... I always had the coolbits components reg installed and so am/was used to and enjoyed those extra settings made visible, but with v82.69 I did notice an unlocked feature in my panel.. but nothing that I briefly saw had any immediate benefit for me. I see that Tamiami now clarifies that it's a protection error... Those seem to be common with nVidia drivers in my travels. I read where you offered to add her card into the .inf so it would recognize it - if it was my card that's just what I would do to - nothing to loose; however, make real sure Tamiami has partition image backup software just in case and knows how to use it, otherwise tread with caution since if for whatever unknown reason it won't boot like video mod's may often cause, Tamiami will need a way out ...or I should say back. You would have to pull the info from 82.16 though since it's not on 77, and yes it's a long shot I agree. Best that Tamiami tries to get BFG to step up to the plate or get a refund. fwiw, the other day when I tried both the 82 drivers in each case caused me the non-fatal protection error on Shutdown too, it was non- fatal in that up pressing Shutdown it would go through the motions and just as it was about to shutoff up pops the protection error, giving you the choice to at least restart from there, or at that point just push the PowerOff button (on my setup anyway) One way Tamiami can shutdown right in this case is to click Restart instead of the Shutdown button, and then at the very beginning of the restart at or even just before the graphic post on the screen, shut the power button - that way avoids any bad shutdowns, scandisk, etc... Rick > Yeah, entirely reasonable to say that a fix generally brings with it > more failures,, gotta wonder about the programmers nowadays. > > Heck one needs look no further than Microsoft to have that proven beyond > doubt... > > Thanks for the input, as usual,,,,, > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________
Guest Tamiami Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Re: Nvidia Driver Shutdown Problem MEB wrote: > | > | Hello again MEB, > | > | Sadly, have not found any other driver anywhere that'll work with this > | card. Actually thought 81.98 might install once but hung up late in the > | process. > | > | > | Here's the setup - MSI K8TNeo2, FX-55, 512MB PC3200 PNY(2-2-2-5), BFG > | 7800GSOC 256MB(8x AGP), WD SATA150 (80GB), PCPower 600w, and 98SE with > | fast shutdown disabled. > | > | Overall, this machine screams. Major framerates and good stability, > | with only the protection error on shutdown the issue. I know it's the > | 82.16 driver causing the problem because: no driver= instant shutdown, > | with driver= protection error. My target on trying the 82.69 package is > | tomorrow. > | > | Thanks again. > | > | > | -- > | STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy. > > The NVAGP.inf from the 81.98 does not contain support for your card. And > rethinking a possible mod [and looking at the driver files], the 77 version > likely would not supply the support needed for your intended chipset/card... > Okay, then, let us know how it turns out, document the exact errors if > possible, use some monitoring tools like memload, process explorer, regmon, > etc., and maybe the info can be directed to some individuals that could > correct the errors... > > No driver means default vga and no DirectX/DirectPlay/OpenGL etc... with > the driver your bringing a number of other system activities into play.. > > But, Keep your fingers crossed... > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > _______ FWIW, the 82.16 package did not install NVAGP.inf. The inf file installed is named NVAML.inf. Fingers are crossed. -- STOP using Google NOW! Protect your personal privacy.
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