Guest JimBal Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?
Guest Gerry Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. Jim To increase you free space on your XP partition select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore points? Restore points can be quite large. It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit. Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary internet files especially if you do not store offline copies on disk. The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files, Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of days history is held. The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to 5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever. If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$ etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition. You can also increase free disk space on your C partition can be achieved by relocation of folders. For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder. To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change. http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change Location button. You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General and change default file path. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBal wrote: > My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% > full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused > space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in > Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and > Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?
Guest Ken Blake Posted July 14, 2007 Posted July 14, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. JimBal wrote: > My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% > full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused > space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in > Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and > Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer? That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup
Guest z1z1z1 Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in news:#1vg8nmxHHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > JimBal wrote: > >> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% >> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused >> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in >> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and >> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer? > > > That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if > you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved. > You can move each user's "My Documents" to a folder on D: (right-click on "My Documents" and select Properties). You could uninstall some programs and reinstall them on D: You could move most of your pagefile to D: (Control Panel/System/Advance Tab/Performance Settings/ Advanced Tab/Virtual Memory) If you do not use hibernation, turn it off in Control Panel/Power options, and you will free whatever your memory size is. You could clean out most of the hotfix backup files. (removehotfixbackup at http://www.dougknox.com makes this easy to do) You can remove all but the last system restore point (turn SR off then on again). You could move the dllcache folder to D: (google "move dllcache" without the quotes) You can move all temp folders to D: (you need to set the TEMP and TMP environment variables to match)
Guest Brian Kochera Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. On 7/14/2007 6:54 PM Ken Blake exclaimed: > JimBal wrote: > > >> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% >> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused >> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in >> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and >> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer? >> > > > That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you > move programs, they will no longer work after being moved. > > Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive? Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case, drive D: for drive C:. -- ____ Brian M. Kochera "Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once!" ____ View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951
Guest JCB Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source and destination directories have the same permissions. -- JCB\1059 "JimBal" wrote: > My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with > Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have > cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely > move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up > the entire computer?
Guest Ken Blake Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. Brian Kochera wrote: > On 7/14/2007 6:54 PM Ken Blake exclaimed: >> JimBal wrote: >> >> >>> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% >>> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused >>> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in >>> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and >>> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer? >>> >> >> >> That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but >> if you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved. >> >> > Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic > automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive? No. > Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association > will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case, > drive D: for drive C:. Yes, there are such applications, and I've tried some of them myself.. My experience is that none of these do a perfect job, and I do *not* recommend relying on them. They may correctly change the references for some programs, but they miss some references for others. The only reliable way of moving an application is by uninstalling and reinstalling. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup
Guest nanook Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. =?Utf-8?B?SkNC?= <JCB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:5DCC6F12-8030-43C0-B726-FCFDE162A322@microsoft.com: > When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions > move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit > the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this > when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source and > destination directories have the same permissions. Not true anywhere that I have seen (and I've seen a lot). The permissions are determined the same for a move as a copy between two different volumes, and it is not the source that determines them, but the destination folder permissions and inheritance settings. Between volumes, a move is like a copy followed by a delete. A copy (whether between volumes or on the same volume) involves creating a new file, which inherits permissions from the destination folder. Only when you move between folders on the same volume are the permissions carried over from the source to the destination. On a single volume, a move does not involve moving the actual file data, and can be done by just linking the file into a different part of the folder tree. Think of it as Windows being lazy, and it does the simplest thing, which in the case of a move between volumes is to use the permissions in the destination folder, and in a move on the same volume it is to just change "where" the file is in the folder tree, and leave the ACL alone (maintain the previous permissions). This default behavior can be modified through registry settings, so some modified non-standard setup may behave differently. See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316
Guest Gerry Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. I seem to recall this topic causes complications with shared data folders / partitions when dual booting Windows XP / Vista! -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ nanook wrote: > =?Utf-8?B?SkNC?= <JCB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in > news:5DCC6F12-8030-43C0-B726-FCFDE162A322@microsoft.com: > >> When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions >> move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit >> the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this >> when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source >> and destination directories have the same permissions. > > Not true anywhere that I have seen (and I've seen a lot). > > The permissions are determined the same for a move as a copy between > two different volumes, and it is not the source that determines them, > but the destination folder permissions and inheritance settings. > Between volumes, a move is like a copy followed by a delete. > > A copy (whether between volumes or on the same volume) involves > creating a new file, which inherits permissions from the destination > folder. > > Only when you move between folders on the same volume are the > permissions carried over from the source to the destination. On a > single volume, a move does not involve moving the actual file data, > and can be done by just linking the file into a different part of the > folder tree. > > Think of it as Windows being lazy, and it does the simplest thing, > which in the case of a move between volumes is to use the permissions > in the destination folder, and in a move on the same volume it is to > just change "where" the file is in the folder tree, and leave the ACL > alone (maintain the previous permissions). > > This default behavior can be modified through registry settings, so > some modified non-standard setup may behave differently. > > See: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316
Guest Zilbandy Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:58:00 -0700, JimBal <JimBal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with >Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have >cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely >move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up >the entire computer? How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete backups just in case. -- Zilbandy
Guest z1z1z1 Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. Zilbandy <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in news:depj93punnha9ih2jvc732k2b1v21d1ahc@4ax.com: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:58:00 -0700, JimBal > <JimBal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >>My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% >>full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused >>space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in >>Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and >>Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer? > > How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the > size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic > should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete > backups just in case. > I like using something like Ghost to copy the drive and resize at the same time. The copy could be put back onto the same drive. It's usually faster than the in-place partition resizers, and you have a backup copy during the process. The only downside is that you need another drive or somewhere to put the copy.
Guest JimBal Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive. Thanks to all of you for your ideas and suggestions. I'll try some, others I will wonder what the heck you are talking about. Thanks, again. "JimBal" wrote: > My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with > Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have > cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely > move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up > the entire computer?
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