Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

[Guest JimBal]

My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with

Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have

cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely

move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up

the entire computer?

[Guest Gerry]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

 

Jim

 

To increase you free space on your XP partition select Start, All

Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More Options,

System Restore and remove all but the latest System Restore points?

Restore points can be quite large.

 

It is likely that an allocation of 12% has been made to System Restore

on your C partition which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700

mb. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System

Restore. Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this

time find the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and

exit.

When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

 

Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary

internet files especially if you do not store offline copies on disk.

The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to

offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer

select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files,

Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of

days history is held.

 

The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to

5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor

on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and

move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get

too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will

bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever.

 

If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with

your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of

your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows

folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$

etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed

the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not

compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and

select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress

contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount

gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder

compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition.

 

You can also increase free disk space on your C partition can be

achieved by relocation of folders.

 

For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet

Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder.

 

To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express

Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change.

http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm

 

My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders

including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated

using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

 

In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to

see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change

Location button.

 

You may also need to change Default File locations in the Microsoft

Office programmes you choose to move the My Documents folder. For Word

go to Tools, Options, File Locations, highlight Documents, click on

Modify and change file path. For Excel go to Tools, Options, General

and change default file path.

 

 

 

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Hope this helps.

 

Gerry

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Stourport, England

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JimBal wrote:

> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

[Guest Ken Blake]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

JimBal wrote:

> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

 

 

That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you

move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.

 

--

Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User

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[Guest z1z1z1]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in

news:#1vg8nmxHHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> JimBal wrote:

>

>> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

>> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

>> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

>> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

>> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

>

>

> That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if

> you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.

>

 

You can move each user's "My Documents" to a folder on D:

(right-click on "My Documents" and select Properties).

You could uninstall some programs and reinstall them on D:

You could move most of your pagefile to D:

(Control Panel/System/Advance Tab/Performance Settings/

Advanced Tab/Virtual Memory)

If you do not use hibernation, turn it off in Control Panel/Power

options, and you will free whatever your memory size is.

You could clean out most of the hotfix backup files.

(removehotfixbackup at http://www.dougknox.com makes this easy to do)

You can remove all but the last system restore point

(turn SR off then on again).

You could move the dllcache folder to D:

(google "move dllcache" without the quotes)

You can move all temp folders to D:

(you need to set the TEMP and TMP environment variables to match)

[Guest Brian Kochera]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

On 7/14/2007 6:54 PM Ken Blake exclaimed:

> JimBal wrote:

>

>

>> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

>> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

>> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

>> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

>> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

>>

>

>

> That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but if you

> move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.

>

>

Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic

automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive?

Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association

will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case,

drive D: for drive C:.

 

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[Guest JCB]

RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions move with

them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit the permissions

of the destination directory. Just be aware of this when choosing Move vs.

Copy. This won't matter if both the source and destination directories have

the same permissions.

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JCB\1059

 

 

"JimBal" wrote:

> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with

> Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have

> cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely

> move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up

> the entire computer?

[Guest Ken Blake]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

Brian Kochera wrote:

> On 7/14/2007 6:54 PM Ken Blake exclaimed:

>> JimBal wrote:

>>

>>

>>> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

>>> full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

>>> space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

>>> Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

>>> Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

>>>

>>

>>

>> That depends on what they are. You can easily move data files, but

>> if you move programs, they will no longer work after being moved.

>>

>>

> Wouldn't an application like Norton Ghost or Partition Magic

> automatically correct and change drive associations to the new drive?

 

 

No.

 

> Also there are utilities that given the appropriate drive association

> will step through the Registry and make these changes. In this case,

> drive D: for drive C:.

 

 

Yes, there are such applications, and I've tried some of them myself.. My

experience is that none of these do a perfect job, and I do *not* recommend

relying on them. They may correctly change the references for some programs,

but they miss some references for others. The only reliable way of moving an

application is by uninstalling and reinstalling.

 

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[Guest nanook]

RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

=?Utf-8?B?SkNC?= <JCB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

news:5DCC6F12-8030-43C0-B726-FCFDE162A322@microsoft.com:

> When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions

> move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit

> the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this

> when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source and

> destination directories have the same permissions.

 

Not true anywhere that I have seen (and I've seen a lot).

 

The permissions are determined the same for a move as a copy between two

different volumes, and it is not the source that determines them, but the

destination folder permissions and inheritance settings. Between

volumes, a move is like a copy followed by a delete.

 

A copy (whether between volumes or on the same volume) involves creating

a new file, which inherits permissions from the destination folder.

 

Only when you move between folders on the same volume are the permissions

carried over from the source to the destination. On a single volume, a

move does not involve moving the actual file data, and can be done by

just linking the file into a different part of the folder tree.

 

Think of it as Windows being lazy, and it does the simplest thing, which

in the case of a move between volumes is to use the permissions in the

destination folder, and in a move on the same volume it is to just change

"where" the file is in the folder tree, and leave the ACL alone (maintain

the previous permissions).

 

This default behavior can be modified through registry settings, so some

modified non-standard setup may behave differently.

 

See:

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316

[Guest Gerry]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

I seem to recall this topic causes complications with shared data

folders / partitions when dual booting Windows XP / Vista!

 

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Regards.

 

Gerry

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Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

nanook wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?SkNC?= <JCB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> news:5DCC6F12-8030-43C0-B726-FCFDE162A322@microsoft.com:

>

>> When moving folders/files between NTFS partitions, the permissions

>> move with them; when copying folders/files, the folders/files inherit

>> the permissions of the destination directory. Just be aware of this

>> when choosing Move vs. Copy. This won't matter if both the source

>> and destination directories have the same permissions.

>

> Not true anywhere that I have seen (and I've seen a lot).

>

> The permissions are determined the same for a move as a copy between

> two different volumes, and it is not the source that determines them,

> but the destination folder permissions and inheritance settings.

> Between volumes, a move is like a copy followed by a delete.

>

> A copy (whether between volumes or on the same volume) involves

> creating a new file, which inherits permissions from the destination

> folder.

>

> Only when you move between folders on the same volume are the

> permissions carried over from the source to the destination. On a

> single volume, a move does not involve moving the actual file data,

> and can be done by just linking the file into a different part of the

> folder tree.

>

> Think of it as Windows being lazy, and it does the simplest thing,

> which in the case of a move between volumes is to use the permissions

> in the destination folder, and in a move on the same volume it is to

> just change "where" the file is in the folder tree, and leave the ACL

> alone (maintain the previous permissions).

>

> This default behavior can be modified through registry settings, so

> some modified non-standard setup may behave differently.

>

> See:

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316

[Guest Zilbandy]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:58:00 -0700, JimBal

<JimBal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with

>Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have

>cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely

>move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up

>the entire computer?

 

How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the

size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic

should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete

backups just in case.

 

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Zilbandy

[Guest z1z1z1]

Re: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

Zilbandy <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in

news:depj93punnha9ih2jvc732k2b1v21d1ahc@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:58:00 -0700, JimBal

> <JimBal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>>My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90%

>>full with Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused

>>space. I have cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in

>>Program FIles. Can I safely move any folders from C: Windows and

>>Program FIles to D: without screwing up the entire computer?

>

> How about getting something like Partition Magic and decreasing the

> size of D drive and increase the size of C drive? Partition Magic

> should do this with no data loss, but I'd make sure I had complete

> backups just in case.

>

 

I like using something like Ghost to copy the drive and resize at the same

time. The copy could be put back onto the same drive. It's usually faster

than the in-place partition resizers, and you have a backup copy during the

process. The only downside is that you need another drive or somewhere to

put the copy.

[Guest JimBal]

RE: Moving Windows stuff from C to D on a partitioned drive.

 

Thanks to all of you for your ideas and suggestions. I'll try some, others I

will wonder what the heck you are talking about. Thanks, again.

 

 

 

"JimBal" wrote:

> My 115GB drive is partitioned C: 15 GB; D: 100GB. C: is about 90% full with

> Windows and Program Files. D: has about 75GB of unused space. I have

> cleaned out all the old programs in I know of in Program FIles. Can I safely

> move any folders from C: Windows and Program FIles to D: without screwing up

> the entire computer?