Constantly Reboots

July 17, 2007

Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't reboot in Safe

Mode!

I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire inside of

dust bunnies.

RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used only for

reading/writing email in OE.

This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista being part of

the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY 98 because it locks them

up. Even with the Vista machine off, the 98 reboots now and then, but AGAIN,

not in when in Safe Mode.

Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

Shell

July 17, 2007

Re: Constantly Reboots

Rebooting is almost always heat related but since you have checked the

common causes, it might be software. Since it happens in normal mode but

not safe mode, then it is possible that something being started at boot is

causing the problem. Run msconfig.exe and on the general tab, mark the

selective startup option, click OK and reboot. If the PC runs without

rebooting, add an item back on the msconfig startup tab, reboot and try

that. Continue adding items back and testing until you find the culprit.

--

Regards

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2007

"Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F2F6E2F4-8848-42CB-B7A2-EF836102E917@microsoft.com...

> Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't reboot in

> Safe

> Mode!

>

> I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

> I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire inside

> of

> dust bunnies.

> RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

> There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used only

> for

> reading/writing email in OE.

>

> This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista being part

> of

> the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY 98 because it locks

> them

> up. Even with the Vista machine off, the 98 reboots now and then, but

> AGAIN,

> not in when in Safe Mode.

>

> Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

>

> Shell

>

July 18, 2007

Re: Constantly Reboots

"Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F2F6E2F4-8848-42CB-B7A2-EF836102E917@microsoft.com...

| Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't reboot in

Safe

| Mode!

|

| I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

| I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire inside

of

| dust bunnies.

| RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

| There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used only

for

| reading/writing email in OE.

|

| This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista being part

of

| the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY 98 because it locks

them

| up. Even with the Vista machine off, the 98 reboots now and then, but

AGAIN,

| not in when in Safe Mode.

|

| Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

|

| Shell

|

PCR tried to post this to you but he missed it by a thread or two....shoot

him if something goes wrong...:)

PCR wrote:

Here are some articles I usually post for that...

http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB

Search "Restarts" & Search "Reboot" & Search "Reboots";

Windows 98; Title Only; produces...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=148919

(148919) - When you start your computer, Windows may restart

continuously

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;229126&Product=w98

Packard Bell Computer Restarts Continuously

(229126) - After you enable Advanced Configuration and Power Interface

(ACPI) support on a Packard Bell Multimedia 4350 computer, your computer

may restart continuously.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

(304943) - If your computer has more than 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of memory

(RAM), the computer may reboot continuously when you try to start

Windows Millennium Edition (Me) or Windows 98. Or, when you try to

install Windows Me or Windows 98 with more than 1.5 GB of...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;130018&Product=w98

Computer Caught in Reboot Loop After Using DriveSpace

(130018) - When you are using DriveSpace to compress a drive, your

computer may become stuck in a reboot (or restart) loop. If you press

the F8 key when your computer restarts and then choose Command Prompt

Only, your computer enters the reboot loop again. If...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;222824&Product=w98

FIX: Windows 98: Reenumerating PCI Device Can Cause Reboot

(222824) - On a Windows 98 ACPI system, reenumerating a Peripheral

Component Interconnect (PCI) device may cause the system to crash. For

example, if a user employs Device Manager to remove a PCI device and

then refreshes, the system can unexpectedly reboot....

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132333&Product=w98

Toshiba 4500 Reboots After Resuming

(132333) - When you are using a Toshiba 4500 laptop computer, if you

shut down Windows in Suspend mode or close the lid, Windows appears to

shut down successfully. However, when you resume Windows, the computer

reboots after a short time.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98

Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client

(132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) installed,

your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut down

your computer.

----

July 19, 2007

Re: Constantly Reboots

MEB - Thanks very much. I certainly apprecite the effort. I guess these days

it helps to let people what one has done so they don't suggest it.

Unfortnately, in many cases, what one has done can take up a great deal of

space.

But, before I waste others time:

I have searched Google, Microsoft (All), Google Groups, and Usenet using the

search terms Win98, 98, 98SE, Windows98, reboot, reboots, re-boot, restarts,

re-starts, NOT (-) shutdown -shut*, -XP, -Millenium -2000

and conclude that 99.99% of the Intern3et is grarbage and of the remaining

00.01%, 99.99% of that is useless :)

"MEB" wrote:

>

> "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F2F6E2F4-8848-42CB-B7A2-EF836102E917@microsoft.com...

> | Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't reboot in

> Safe

> | Mode!

> |

> | I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

> | I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire inside

> of

> | dust bunnies.

> | RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

> | There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used only

> for

> | reading/writing email in OE.

> |

> | This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista being part

> of

> | the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY 98 because it locks

> them

> | up. Even with the Vista machine off, the 98 reboots now and then, but

> AGAIN,

> | not in when in Safe Mode.

> |

> | Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

> |

> | Shell

> |

>

> PCR tried to post this to you but he missed it by a thread or two....shoot

> him if something goes wrong...:)

>

> PCR wrote:

> Here are some articles I usually post for that...

>

> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB

> Search "Restarts" & Search "Reboot" & Search "Reboots";

> Windows 98; Title Only; produces...

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=148919

> (148919) - When you start your computer, Windows may restart

> continuously

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;229126&Product=w98

> Packard Bell Computer Restarts Continuously

> (229126) - After you enable Advanced Configuration and Power Interface

> (ACPI) support on a Packard Bell Multimedia 4350 computer, your computer

> may restart continuously.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

> (304943) - If your computer has more than 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of memory

> (RAM), the computer may reboot continuously when you try to start

> Windows Millennium Edition (Me) or Windows 98. Or, when you try to

> install Windows Me or Windows 98 with more than 1.5 GB of...

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;130018&Product=w98

> Computer Caught in Reboot Loop After Using DriveSpace

> (130018) - When you are using DriveSpace to compress a drive, your

> computer may become stuck in a reboot (or restart) loop. If you press

> the F8 key when your computer restarts and then choose Command Prompt

> Only, your computer enters the reboot loop again. If...

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;222824&Product=w98

> FIX: Windows 98: Reenumerating PCI Device Can Cause Reboot

> (222824) - On a Windows 98 ACPI system, reenumerating a Peripheral

> Component Interconnect (PCI) device may cause the system to crash. For

> example, if a user employs Device Manager to remove a PCI device and

> then refreshes, the system can unexpectedly reboot....

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132333&Product=w98

> Toshiba 4500 Reboots After Resuming

> (132333) - When you are using a Toshiba 4500 laptop computer, if you

> shut down Windows in Suspend mode or close the lid, Windows appears to

> shut down successfully. However, when you resume Windows, the computer

> reboots after a short time.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98

> Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client

> (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE) installed,

> your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when you shut down

> your computer.

>

> ----

>

July 19, 2007

UPDATE >> RE: Constantly Reboots

UPDATE >> RE: Constantly Reboots

Since posting, I have re-instaled Win98SE. Just a re-install without

formatting the Hdrive or loss of data. New problems surfaced such as

rebooting as soon as selecting a M$ 3d Screensaver. Put Screensave to None,

and there is no re-cooting.

4 hours later - opened Outlook and clicking Close [X], the system rebooted.

On a cold start, system was OK until opening OE. With OE open, selected

primary Identity and system rebooted. This keeps up and I shall re-lauch

Win98SE - into orbit!

"Shell" wrote:

> Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't reboot in Safe

> Mode!

>

> I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

> I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire inside of

> dust bunnies.

> RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

> There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used only for

> reading/writing email in OE.

>

> This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista being part of

> the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY 98 because it locks them

> up. Even with the Vista machine off, the 98 reboots now and then, but AGAIN,

> not in when in Safe Mode.

>

> Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

>

> Shell

>

July 19, 2007

Re: Constantly Reboots

"Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F761655B-105D-49DE-8B50-6799072CA08B@microsoft.com...

>>

> But, before I waste others time:

>

> I have searched Google, Microsoft (All), Google Groups, and Usenet using the

> search terms Win98, 98, 98SE, Windows98, reboot, reboots, re-boot, restarts,

> re-starts, NOT (-) shutdown -shut*, -XP, -Millenium -2000

> and conclude that 99.99% of the Intern3et is grarbage and of the remaining

> 00.01%, 99.99% of that is useless :)

I had a computer do this once.

The cause was corrupted video drivers,

which made the computer continually think

that the drivers had just been changed

and that a reboot was required.

So, that's all the computer did - reboot - for as long as I would let it.

I confirmed it by booting into Safe Mode,

switching back to the Standard Display Adapter [VGA]

and then successfully booting into Normal mode.

I resolved it by reinstalling the video drivers.

A second possibility is that you have a power supply unit

which does not have the capacity to support your current hardware configuration.

This often occurs when people upgrade their computers over time,

adding additional hard drives, optical drives etc.

Any momentary interruption of power will reboot the computer,

as you probably already know. However, the computer will also reboot

if the power drops below a certain level.

Another issue may be inadequate cooling. Check your fans.

Also, make sure that the drive data cables aren't blocking air flow.

July 19, 2007

Re: UPDATE >> RE: Constantly Reboots

Re: UPDATE >> RE: Constantly Reboots

"Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4724530C-AEA6-4B43-A797-AB42805D3FF6@microsoft.com...

| Since posting, I have re-instaled Win98SE. Just a re-install without

| formatting the Hdrive or loss of data. New problems surfaced such as

| rebooting as soon as selecting a M$ 3d Screensaver. Put Screensave to

None,

| and there is no re-cooting.

| 4 hours later - opened Outlook and clicking Close [X], the system

rebooted.

| On a cold start, system was OK until opening OE. With OE open, selected

| primary Identity and system rebooted. This keeps up and I shall re-lauch

| Win98SE - into orbit!

|

*IF* what you did was actually an over-install rather than a real install,

you are likely in what is referred to as *DLL HELL*. That being the

mis-matched files and dlls, and function calls and other that go alone with

that...

*IF* you did the real install, the questions become: Did you do the updates

to the system? And did you use the most current or last drivers for

everything, THAT ACTUALLY supports 98SE?

And as was suggested, proper video drivers and system drivers are CRUTIAL

in the Windows GUI environment.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

July 20, 2007

Re: Constantly Reboots

Shell wrote:

| MEB - Thanks very much. I certainly apprecite the effort. I guess

| these days it helps to let people what one has done so they don't

| suggest it. Unfortnately, in many cases, what one has done can take

| up a great deal of space.

|

| But, before I waste others time:

|

| I have searched Google, Microsoft (All), Google Groups, and Usenet

| using the search terms Win98, 98, 98SE, Windows98, reboot, reboots,

| re-boot, restarts, re-starts, NOT (-) shutdown -shut*, -XP,

| -Millenium -2000

| and conclude that 99.99% of the Intern3et is grarbage and of the

| remaining

| 00.01%, 99.99% of that is useless :)

Oops. But my lawyers are saying MEB should be shot for that-- not me!

And you should try Candlin's idea at least thrice, before shooting him!

Here is what I know about the video adapter, & I'll begin work on

Starbuck's & glee's obituaries immediately...!...

(a) Turn off hardware acceleration at... "Control Panel, Display,

Settings tab, Advanced button, Performance button". If things get

better, you could be right to suspect the Video Drivers.

(b) Switch to the Standard Display Adapter per the following. It won't

be pretty, & I hope you will be able to reach all buttons you want to

click, that they won't be off the screen. BUT, if things are quicker,

surely it is the Display Adapter at fault. In that case, first try

reinstalling the one you have now, & see whether it improves.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=127139

Troubleshooting Video Problems in Windows

"START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button". If checked, then uncheck "VGA

640x480x16", & reboot.

"Control Panel, Display, Settings tab". Select as you wish from the

Colors dropdown menu & the Size slider.

If you move the Screen Area slider to 1024x768 there, possibly click the

Advanced button, & select Large fonts too— or there is a chance you end

up with tiny, unreadable fonts!

Try to get your colors/size at least twice that way. If it continues to

fail, you may need to reinstall your Monitor or Display Adapter...

For the Monitor...

(1) Boot to Safe Mode

(Hold F5 as you boot or CTRL for the Startup Menu)

(2) "START, Settings, Control Panel, System, Device Manager tab"

(3) Open the Monitors branch, & Remove all entries.

Perhaps, FIRST, even in Normal Mode, note what is installed

similar to below for the Adapter. That is...

(a) D-Clk the monitor there for Properties, Driver tab.

(b) Click the Update Driver button, then "Next".

(d) Bolt "Show all hardware".

Examine the two panes to see what is currently installed.

That is likely what you wish to end up with, after step (4).

(4) Boot to Normal Mode.

Hopefully, it will be rediscovered & installed. Then, if still

necessary, here is the rigmarole of the Display Adapter...

.......Quote..........

The first thing to do is to remove the video adapter you have

installed. Right-click on the desktop; choose "Properties" from the

drop-down menu; select "Settings;" click on the "Advanced" button; and

click on "Adapter". An adapter is a program that tells Windows how to

deal with a specific video card. Make note of the adapter that is

currently installed. Then, change the adapter to "Standard Display

Adapter (VGA)" and restart the system.

[That is: Click "Change, Next, bolt 'Display a List...', Next, bolt

'Show all hardware', scroll left pane to top, select '(Standard display

types)', select 'Standard Display Adapter (VGA)' in right pane, click

'Next'"... PCR]

This will remove the current adapter and replace it with a generic VGA

adapter that works with all video cards. You will not like VGA because

it supports only 16 colors, but the purpose of installing it is to get

rid of whatever was there before.

Next, return to the adapter screen and install an adapter that matches

your video card. This may or may not be the adapter that you are

using now. Examine the materials you received with your computer to

see if they include a CD-ROM or floppy disk that contains the correct

video adapter. Or go to the Gateway website and see if they have an

adapter for you to download. Or check the website of the company that

made your video card.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)

.......End....of quote....

Also...

..........Quote................

To identify your video adapter correctly, download and run either the

Everest or Aida32 utility, available here:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads9.html

There are links to both the Personal and Enterprise versions of

AIDA32....I

suggest Enterprise:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/Aida32_-_Enterprise_System_Information_d183.html

Everest Free Edition:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Free_Edition_d4181.html

AIDA32 is also available here:

http://aumha.org/freeware/freeware.php#aida32

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

.........EOQ....................

| "MEB" wrote:

|

|>

|> "Shell" <Shell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:F2F6E2F4-8848-42CB-B7A2-EF836102E917@microsoft.com...

|> | Win98SE randomly reboots now - didn't before. BUT, it doesn't

|> | reboot in Safe Mode!

|> |

|> | I have run a virus scan, and spyware scan = OK

|> | I have cleaned heat sinks, fans (run OK), and blew out the entire

|> | inside of dust bunnies.

|> | RAM test OK as does settings in Bios.

|> | There have been no changes to 98SE or it's files. The comp is used

|> | only for reading/writing email in OE.

|> |

|> | This bug appeared out of the blue. The only addition is Vista

|> | being part of the Network but it is not allowed to connect to ANY

|> | 98 because it locks them up. Even with the Vista machine off, the

|> | 98 reboots now and then, but AGAIN, not in when in Safe Mode.

|> |

|> | Help please: Google has nothing - been there - done that

|> |

|> | Shell

|> |

|>

|> PCR tried to post this to you but he missed it by a thread or

|> two....shoot him if something goes wrong...:)

|>

|> PCR wrote:

|> Here are some articles I usually post for that...

|>

|> http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB

|> Search "Restarts" & Search "Reboot" & Search "Reboots";

|> Windows 98; Title Only; produces...

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=148919

|> (148919) - When you start your computer, Windows may restart

|> continuously

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;229126&Product=w98

|> Packard Bell Computer Restarts Continuously

|> (229126) - After you enable Advanced Configuration and Power

|> Interface (ACPI) support on a Packard Bell Multimedia 4350 computer,

|> your computer may restart continuously.

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

|> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

|> (304943) - If your computer has more than 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of

|> memory (RAM), the computer may reboot continuously when you try to

|> start

|> Windows Millennium Edition (Me) or Windows 98. Or, when you try to

|> install Windows Me or Windows 98 with more than 1.5 GB of...

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;130018&Product=w98

|> Computer Caught in Reboot Loop After Using DriveSpace

|> (130018) - When you are using DriveSpace to compress a drive, your

|> computer may become stuck in a reboot (or restart) loop. If you press

|> the F8 key when your computer restarts and then choose Command Prompt

|> Only, your computer enters the reboot loop again. If...

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;222824&Product=w98

|> FIX: Windows 98: Reenumerating PCI Device Can Cause Reboot

|> (222824) - On a Windows 98 ACPI system, reenumerating a Peripheral

|> Component Interconnect (PCI) device may cause the system to crash.

|> For example, if a user employs Device Manager to remove a PCI device

|> and

|> then refreshes, the system can unexpectedly reboot....

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132333&Product=w98

|> Toshiba 4500 Reboots After Resuming

|> (132333) - When you are using a Toshiba 4500 laptop computer, if you

|> shut down Windows in Suspend mode or close the lid, Windows appears

|> to shut down successfully. However, when you resume Windows, the

|> computer reboots after a short time.

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132776&Product=w98

|> Computer Hangs or Reboots at Shutdown with NetWare Client

|> (132776) - With Novell NetWare Client version 4.10 (VLM.EXE)

|> installed, your computer stops responding (hangs) or restarts when

|> you shut down your computer.

|>

|> ----

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

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