Win98 on new computer

July 19, 2007

Hi I'm about to buy a new computer and like to run windows 98 on it,

but are there any hardware I should avoid ?

(that don't have needed drivers for windows98 etc)

Do win98 work with pci-express?

I think I would like to build something like this:

motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

teebo wrote:

> Do win98 work with pci-express?

I tried to get several different Nvidia PCI-e boards to work under

win-98se, but was never able to.

> I think I would like to build something like this:

> motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

I believe that was one of the video cards I tried. It has no fan -

just a big heat sink.

PCI-e has a "feature" called turbo-cache, which allows the video card

to steal some main system memory as a substitute for having more of

it's own memory. Not all boards have this (perhaps only "cheapo

boards"). There was a working theory that any PCI-e boards that have

this "turbo-cache" will not be compatible with win-98. To add to

that, it is not straight forward to tell (by Nvidia model number) what

boards have it and which don't.

> processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

> memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

> Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

I think you're going to get stopped by the PCI-e. You *might* have

some luck with ATI PCI-e cards.

I've installed win-98 on an ASRock Dual-VSTA motherboard. It has AGP

and PCI-e slots.

Check Asus and VIA web sites for drivers. Download the chipset

drivers from both locations and examine them for win-98 install files.

If the machine is going to be used only for win-98, then don't waste

your money on a dual-core CPU. As well, anything more than 512mb of

ram probably won't be useful.

Check out the win-98 forum on MSFN.org. There is also another

web-forum that deals only with video cards (I forget the URL) but it

is sometimes mentioned in some MSFN threads.

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I would not

count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You could try XP or

Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is what I do with my MCE of

Windows).

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

--

Regards

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2007

"teebo" <no@mail.no> wrote in message news:op.tvov78nwbr8ivg@300pl...

> Hi I'm about to buy a new computer and like to run windows 98 on it,

> but are there any hardware I should avoid ?

> (that don't have needed drivers for windows98 etc)

>

> Do win98 work with pci-express?

>

> I think I would like to build something like this:

> motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

> processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

> memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

>

> Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

>

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

"Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

news:OeVq0rbyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I would not

> count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You could try XP or

> Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is what I do with my MCE of

> Windows).

>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

The MS KB has (3) references to VirtualPC for WinXP

but (today) none for Vista, which implies VirtualPC

is not supported by Vista.

The WinXP references suggest the documentation is

in XPS format which perhaps Win98 cannot read.

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

Don Phillipson wrote:

> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

> news:OeVq0rbyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>> You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I

>> would not count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You

>> could try XP or Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is

>> what I do with my MCE of Windows).

>>

>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199

-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

>

> The MS KB has (3) references to VirtualPC for WinXP

> but (today) none for Vista, which implies VirtualPC

> is not supported by Vista.

Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition

(32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows Vista

Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows Vista

Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows Vista

Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows XP

Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ; Windows

XP Tablet PC Edition

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July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

news:OoCGp2gyHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| Don Phillipson wrote:

| > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

| > news:OeVq0rbyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >

| >> You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I

| >> would not count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You

| >> could try XP or Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is

| >> what I do with my MCE of Windows).

| >>

| >

| http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199

| -48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

| >

| > The MS KB has (3) references to VirtualPC for WinXP

| > but (today) none for Vista, which implies VirtualPC

| > is not supported by Vista.

|

| Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition

| (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows Vista

| Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows Vista

| Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows Vista

| Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows XP

| Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ; Windows

| XP Tablet PC Edition

|

| --

|

| dadiOH

| ____________________________

|

| dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

| ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

| LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

| Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

|

I was under the impression that use of such within VISTA would violate the

Support Agreement/EULA.. seems that has been presented in the VISTA forums

....

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

MEB wrote:

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

> news:OoCGp2gyHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Don Phillipson wrote:

>>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OeVq0rbyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I

>>>> would not count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You

>>>> could try XP or Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is

>>>> what I do with my MCE of Windows).

>>>>

>>>

>>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199

>> -48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

>>>

>>> The MS KB has (3) references to VirtualPC for WinXP

>>> but (today) none for Vista, which implies VirtualPC

>>> is not supported by Vista.

>>

>> Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition

>> (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows

>> Vista Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows

>> Vista Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows

>> Vista Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows XP

>> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ;

>> Windows XP Tablet PC Edition

> I was under the impression that use of such within VISTA would

> violate the Support Agreement/EULA.. seems that has been presented

> in the VISTA forums ...

No idea, it was a copy & paste from the MS site that Ron Badour

linked.

--

dadiOH

____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

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July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

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| MEB wrote:

| > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

| > news:OoCGp2gyHHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| >> Don Phillipson wrote:

| >>> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

| >>> news:OeVq0rbyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| >>>

| >>>> You are unlikely to find W98 drivers for your new hardware so I

| >>>> would not count on being able to run W98 as the sole system. You

| >>>> could try XP or Vista and then run W98 in VirtualPC 2007 (that is

| >>>> what I do with my MCE of Windows).

| >>>>

| >>>

| >>

| http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=04d26402-3199

| >> -48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

| >>>

| >>> The MS KB has (3) references to VirtualPC for WinXP

| >>> but (today) none for Vista, which implies VirtualPC

| >>> is not supported by Vista.

| >>

| >> Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition

| >> (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows

| >> Vista Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows

| >> Vista Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows

| >> Vista Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows XP

| >> Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ;

| >> Windows XP Tablet PC Edition

|

| > I was under the impression that use of such within VISTA would

| > violate the Support Agreement/EULA.. seems that has been presented

| > in the VISTA forums ...

|

| No idea, it was a copy & paste from the MS site that Ron Badour

| linked.

|

| --

|

| dadiOH

| ____________________________

|

| dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

| ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

| LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

| Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

|

Oh, okay,, it just struck me as strange to see one thing posted here, and

the opposite in those forums...

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

> I tried to get several different Nvidia PCI-e boards to work under

> win-98se, but was never able to.

Hmmm :-(

did you used the driver at http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

or the other one (http://www.nvworld.ru/drivers/old/WideWin9x.rar) ?

>> I think I would like to build something like this:

>> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

> I believe that was one of the video cards I tried. It has no fan -

> just a big heat sink.

yes. And I think there is a 512Mb overclocked version of it

with heatsinks (and heatpipes) on the backside too.

(btw, will windows98 have any problems with too much memory on

a graphics card? like it consumes normal memory space or so?)

> PCI-e has a "feature" called turbo-cache, which allows the video card

> to steal some main system memory as a substitute for having more of

> it's own memory. Not all boards have this (perhaps only "cheapo

mmm.. there seems to be a bunch of 64Mb geforce6xxx-cards that

do that now.

> boards"). There was a working theory that any PCI-e boards that have

> this "turbo-cache" will not be compatible with win-98. To add to

> that, it is not straight forward to tell (by Nvidia model number) what

> boards have it and which don't.

I have looked at ASUS pages and searched on the net and thankfully

there is no mention of that the card I want have turbo-cache.

> I've installed win-98 on an ASRock Dual-VSTA motherboard. It has AGP

> and PCI-e slots.

both graphics slots on the same motherboard? cooool....

> Check Asus and VIA web sites for drivers. Download the chipset

> drivers from both locations and examine them for win-98 install files.

ok I will

> If the machine is going to be used only for win-98, then don't waste

> your money on a dual-core CPU. As well, anything more than 512mb of

> ram probably won't be useful.

I think I shuold go non dual-core (but the 2 gigs are for other

operating systems)

The big problem that hit me now is that the processor I liked,

AMD64 3800+ 65nm/45W (less heat=more silent) have something

called 'Stepping G1' but the motherboard is listed as having

'Stepping F2' on amd's webpage.

....so I guess I have to find another mother board? :'-(

> web-forum that deals only with video cards (I forget the URL) but it

> is sometimes mentioned in some MSFN threads.

Hmm.. I see if I find it

July 19, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

MEB wrote:

>

> I was under the impression that use of such within VISTA would violate the

> Support Agreement/EULA.. seems that has been presented in the VISTA forums

> ...

>

Using a computer is in conflict with EULA!

Have fun

Stanislaw

Linux and Win98SE user from Ulladulla.

July 20, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

> Using a computer is in conflict with EULA!

>

:-D

thankfully this sort of 'broken seal' licenses have

no legal value in the country I live.

And I do not want to run win98 in an emulator anyway,

instead I have to find hardware that have drivers that

works with win98se.

There is unofficial drivers for new Nvidia graphics cards

(with pci-express support too), http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php

but not for all cards, 98Guy say I should avoid cards

with turbo-cache (but turbo-cache is a bad idea anyway),

I must avoid 'bad' cards. Since I don't buy in a shop I can't

just go back with the hardware if it don't work.

A bigger problem is the motherboard, not all of them play

well with win98 I heard. I think I should avoid nvidia mother

boards. Are there anyone here that knows about the others?

VIA have good support for win98, but the one motherboard I found

(with ok price and features like 2 ata-slots, and no internal

graphics) that my normal webshop have...

....don't work (I think?) with the processor I want :-(

I want the have the 65nm (45W) one, that will generate

less heat and still have good speed. (AMD calls it ADH3800DEBOX)

but that processors is "Stepping: G1"

On amd:s pages there is a 'Recomended Motherboards' page

http://www2.amd.com/gb-uk/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_9460%5e9461,00.html?1175095829

that don't list the motherboard 'ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX'

as stepping G1, only F2

is it just they have not tested it with G1, or is

the chipset not compatible with G1 or something else on the

motherboard not capable of handling G1 ?

July 20, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

"teebo" <no@mail.no> wrote in message news:op.tvov78nwbr8ivg@300pl...

> Hi I'm about to buy a new computer and like to run windows 98 on it,

> but are there any hardware I should avoid ?

> (that don't have needed drivers for windows98 etc)

Below indicates a build of a PC, not buying a new computer.

>

> Do win98 work with pci-express?

No.

>

> I think I would like to build something like this:

> motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

> processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

> memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

>

> Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

>

Bottom line. Pci-E is out. System needs tweaking to map out RAM above

512MB. Not sure about 64bit hardware. Need to research availablility of

98/98SE drivers for any recently made core and peripheral hardware before

buying. By "core", I mean the motherboard and video card. The core

hardware may run in a crippled fashion unless drivers are available and

installed. Some recent internal and external peripheral hardware may not

run at all as drivers are not available for 98/98SE.

Dave

July 21, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

You seem to be describing year-2007 hardware, something way beyond the

minimums for XP, maybe good enough to run Vista.

It is hard to believe that 98 will run on this, or if does that it could

possibly make full use of all that hardware.

For example, 98 is more limited than XP in how much RAM it can use. Under

512 Meg, no problem. 512 Meg to 1 Gig 98 needs some "adjustments" to

funciton. Beyond 1 Gig may not work or extra RAM may just be ignored.

PCI express? That is way too new for 98, unless the video card maker

explicitly says that it will work and that they provide drivers. To be

honest it is hard to imagine any video card maker investing the time to

write PCI-X drivers for 98.

Processor? I have heard that there may be some upper limit of CPUs for 98.

Also, why get a 64-bit capable processor, when 98 is a 32-bit operating

system?

Have you tried checking the support websites of the specified hardware for

what operating systems they support? Or, download the associated manuals,

which may contain that information, or search their websites for

98-compatible dirvers. Hint: if no drivers, likely the hardware is not

98-compatible.

Overall, I suggest that you either think about using XP (or a modern LINUX)

for this hardware, or get much older (thus cheaper) hardware, if you

absolutely must use 98. I had a friend build a nice 98 machine using

Intel's D865GBF motherboard, which is of the vintage (2002-2003). It still

work fine.

"teebo" <no@mail.no> wrote in message news:op.tvov78nwbr8ivg@300pl...

> Hi I'm about to buy a new computer and like to run windows 98 on it,

> but are there any hardware I should avoid ?

> (that don't have needed drivers for windows98 etc)

>

> Do win98 work with pci-express?

>

> I think I would like to build something like this:

> motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

> processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

> memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

>

> Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

>

July 21, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

Bob Harris wrote:

> It is hard to believe that 98 will run on this, or if does that

> it could possibly make full use of all that hardware.

It all depends on the chipset. Intel stopped supporting win-98 at

ICH5 (or was it ICH6?).

As I've discovered a few months ago, there are some current

motherboards with VIA chipsets that seem to work fine and have great

win-98 support - even for SATA and RAID drives.

> PCI express? That is way too new for 98,

The wierd thing is that on my Asrock motherboard, I do have a PCI-PCIe

bridge driver installed, but have never gotten a PCI-e card to work.

What I've read about PCI-e is that at a driver level, it's practically

identical to AGP (was designed that way to make it easier for vendors

to make the transition to PCI-e).

Aside from PCI-e (which I believe some have claimed that some pci-e

ATI boards do work), the only other show-stopper for win-98 is the

newer high-definition audio component that has replaced the

traditional on-board audio.

> To be honest it is hard to imagine any video card maker

> investing the time to write PCI-X drivers for 98.

Like I said, from what I've read, PCI-e and AGP are very similar at

the driver level - perhaps identical.

> Processor? I have heard that there may be some upper limit of

> CPUs for 98.

Um, no. Don't get me started on that again. It's been hashed here

before.

July 22, 2007

Re: Win98 on new computer

> Below indicates a build of a PC, not buying a new computer.

oups, when I say 'buy' I mean 'buy the parts and put them together' :-}

I guess there must be people that buy prebuilt computers too...

hmm... I never do, and besides I allready have a nice box

and harddisks etc, I want my parts to be standard, the prebuilt

computers don't allways do. (although I think they were worse

at this some years ago)

>> Do win98 work with pci-express?

>

> No.

I guess the answer is some pci-express cards, not all :-/

and the nvidia ones use the tweaked unofficial NV8269 driver

(so I assume I must verify that the card below is one

of the working ones before I buy, somehow)

>> I think I would like to build something like this:

>> motherboard: ASUS M2V VIA K8T890 S-AM2 GBLAN ATX

>> graphics card: ASUS EXTREME GEFORCE 7600GS SILENT 256MB PCI-E

>> processor: AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ SOCKET AM2 512KB BOX

>> memory: CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB) CAS4

>>

>> Would there be any problems getting win98 work with this?

>>

>

> Bottom line. Pci-E is out. System needs tweaking to map out RAM above

ohh.. I'm not afraid of some tweaking. I allways change lots of things

in windows anyway. (why must all windowsversions have their default

setting just opposite what I like? why must microsoft allways

try to make things be like the previous version of mac?)

And yes I know (now) that memory over 1 GB can't be used with win98se

even with all the paches/service packs and tweaks (but it would be

nice if it would be possible to have the swapfile in a ramdisk

there or *something* but ok...)

> 512MB. Not sure about 64bit hardware. Need to research availablility of

yes win98 don't use the 64bit, but amd64 is fully fullspeed 32bit too

so it's ok. Besides that they don't sell 32bit-only anymore, my hardware

choices is just partly based on win98's need. Sure it must be able to

run win98 and dos, but it should support the future too!

I'm do not intend to buy a new motherboard or processor the nearest

ten years. Sure I will buy new harddisk and perhaps a new graphics

card somewhere in the future but not motherboard. I willl probably get

more memory too (for linux), this motherboard supports 8Gb and I think

that "ought to be enough for anybody" :-D

> 98/98SE drivers for any recently made core and peripheral hardware before

> buying. By "core", I mean the motherboard and video card. The core

via seems to be a nice company (to win98)

and I'm very grateful to the persons that have fixed the nvidia drivers

> hardware may run in a crippled fashion unless drivers are available and

> installed. Some recent internal and external peripheral hardware may not

> run at all as drivers are not available for 98/98SE.

Yep, it is a lot harder to buy hardware this days. both to avoid

drm-crippled hardware and to verify they work ok in win9x.

But it is a lot easier with all yours help, so I hope you don't

think I abuse you or wear out your brains with (too) long newsposts :-)

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