Guest nt4-ever Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 re earlier thread i checked my win-NT4 NTFS version (i never did service pack 4; just 3,5,6a) http://thinkpads.com/WinXP_Comments1.htm (instructions for using dskprobe to determine NTFS version - makes brain surgery or rocket science seem trivial) 2nd line after the 70 line was 01 02 so my NTFS is still 1.2 ?? these might help? NTFSCHK - run win-2000 chkdsk from NT4 http://web.archive.org/web/20060819014420/www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsChk.html change NTFS from win-2000 version back to NT4 version: http://www.vamos.de/english/bootman2.html#zu_w2 ftp://ftp.vamos.de/pub/vamos/Mark4NTFS.zip (posted from Win-NT4 Install date: 1997/05/31, 22:21:08) :rod-t sacramento
Guest John John Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions nt4-ever wrote: > re earlier thread i checked my win-NT4 > NTFS version > (i never did service pack 4; just 3,5,6a) Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4. > http://thinkpads.com/WinXP_Comments1.htm > (instructions for using dskprobe to determine > NTFS version - makes brain surgery or > rocket science seem trivial) > > 2nd line after the 70 line was 01 02 > so my NTFS is still 1.2 ?? That would confirm my suspicions that there are errors in KB872952 ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/872952 ), the article states: "When you apply Service Pack 4 (SP4) to Windows NT 4.0, NTFS is upgraded to the version of NTFS that is used in Microsoft Windows 2000 and in later versions of Windows." Yet, in another article ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310749 ) there appears to be contradictory or inconsistent information: "The version of NTFS included with Windows XP cannot be interpreted correctly by Windows NT 4.0. However, there is an updated Ntfs.sys driver in Windows NT 4.0 SP4 that enables Windows NT 4.0 to read from and write to NTFS volumes in Windows XP" No mention there that the actual file system is changed by SP4, simply a mention of an upgraded ntfs driver. These two articles appear to offer different or inconsistent information and your findings also appear to contradict kb872952. > these might help? > NTFSCHK - run win-2000 chkdsk from NT4 > http://web.archive.org/web/20060819014420/www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsChk.html > > change NTFS from win-2000 version back > to NT4 version: > http://www.vamos.de/english/bootman2.html#zu_w2 > ftp://ftp.vamos.de/pub/vamos/Mark4NTFS.zip While simply masquerading NTFS v3.x as v1.2 may allow the NT4 version of chkdsk to run, that may offer false security. The NT4 chkdsk version simply cannot properly repair NTFS 3.x, the Sysinternal solution or the hotfix offered by Microsoft would be preferable. If one were to call Microsoft I wonder if they would be able to get the hotfix. No harm in trying I guess. John
Guest nt4-ever Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions John wrote: > Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier > packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4. so i wanted to partly refute Your statement so found the 'Fix List' for Service Pack 5 (SP5) where in QKB 225037, 244974 (use: http://support.microsoft.com/?id= Q-number) they list 27 Fixes for Features introduced in SP4 (search for: pack4 "pack 4" sp4) and to show you the section in the SP4 readme file where they introduce the ability to read/write NT5/win2000 NTFS volumes: Quote: 4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support This Service Pack contains an updated version of NTFS.sys that can also read NTFS 5 volumes. When mounting an NTFS 5.0 volume under Windows NT 4.0 SP4, NTFS 5.0 features are unavailable and chkdsk can't be performed against the volume. file:C:\Winlcl\Docs\Service_Packs\SP4\ServicePack4_Readme.txt from 1998/10/15. In case you cannot access my C: drive i googled for QKB 194507 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507 http://support.microsoft.com/?id=194507 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507/EN-US/ http://web.archive.org/web/20050216030055/http://support.microsoft.com/kb\/194507/EN-US/ ALL were truncated at item number 3.10 !!! but the full version is here: http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips/Tip.aspx?id=0781 :rod-t sacramento
Guest John John Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to say. I stated that Service Packs are cumulative, article http://support.microsoft.com/?id=225037 says exactly that: "This article is part one of a current listing of the article numbers for bugs that were fixed in Service Pack 5 for Windows NT 4.0. Service packs are cumulative. This means that the bugs fixed in a service pack are also fixed in subsequent service packs." It goes without saying that if a fixes introduced in an earlier Service Pack prove to cause problems or to not completely fix the problem it addressed, then it only makes sense that it would be addressed again and replaced in subsequent packs. It is no surprise that SP5 fixes certain deficient fixes found in SP4. As for section 4.3 of the SP4 Readme file, it says exactly what I said earlier, so I'm not sure what we should see there that wasn't already mentioned. John nt4-ever wrote: > John wrote: > >>Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier >>packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4. > > > so i wanted to partly refute Your statement so found > the 'Fix List' for Service Pack 5 (SP5) where in QKB > 225037, 244974 (use: > http://support.microsoft.com/?id= Q-number) > they list 27 Fixes for Features introduced in SP4 > (search for: pack4 "pack 4" sp4) > > and to show you the section in the SP4 readme > file where they introduce the ability to read/write > NT5/win2000 NTFS volumes: Quote: > > 4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support > This Service Pack contains an updated version of > NTFS.sys that can also read NTFS 5 volumes. > When mounting an NTFS 5.0 volume under > Windows NT 4.0 SP4, NTFS 5.0 features are > unavailable and chkdsk can't be performed > against the volume. > > file:C:\Winlcl\Docs\Service_Packs\SP4\ServicePack4_Readme.txt > from 1998/10/15. In case you cannot access my > C: drive i googled for QKB 194507 > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507 > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=194507 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507/EN-US/ > http://web.archive.org/web/20050216030055/http://support.microsoft.com/kb\/194507/EN-US/ > > ALL were truncated at item number 3.10 !!! > but the full version is here: > http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips/Tip.aspx?id=0781 > > :rod-t sacramento >
Guest nt4-ever Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, John John <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to say. > John For some reason http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc/topics lists Jul 19 as last post to this thread .. so i never saw your reply until in Netscape 3.03 in news i saw your reply. I think the point i was trying to make was that after Breaking something in a Service Pack/HotFix that ms sometimes fixed it later. (But often Not eg after they broke cmd.exe regedit.exe wordpad.exe etc etc they Never bothered to fix them) BTW i have the QKB872952 hotfix with a working password if someone really needs it. (since chkdsk has worked fine here since 1997 - i suspect someone had a NT4 disk that NT5/2000/xp converted to the NTFS version 3.0/3.1 that the NT4 chkdsk could not handle -- and then they convinced ms to provide a patch -- imho) :rod-t sacramento
Guest Calvin Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions Hi Rod, could you be so kind as to disclose the password - I have the .exe hotfix archive, but of course, without the password it is useless to me. I wasn't planning to implement the patch at this stage, but in the interests of completeness, I'd like a working copy in the collection here. Calvin.
Guest nt4-ever Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions On Jul 31, 7:09 pm, Calvin <nos...@spamcop.net> wrote: > Hi Rod, > could you be so kind as to disclose the password - I have the .exe > hotfix archive, but of course, without the password it is useless to me. > Calvin. Of Course Calvin -- but since they change the password every 7 days ... your version most likely will not accept the latest password. If you have a url i can upload it to ? (i made the password part of the filename so i would not forget) or if you would rather i will put it up on my homepage and email the url to you? :rod-t
Guest Calvin Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: NT4 NTFS Versions Hi Rod, Whack it up on your website (somewhere private I presume ?) and email me a URL thanks. nt4-ever wrote: > Of Course Calvin -- but since they change > the password every 7 days ... your version > most likely will not accept the latest > password. Ahh - I had forgotten about that - what a pain they are ! Why don't Microsoft just publish the hotfix like all the others and be done with it ?? Microsoft - ARGGGHHH !!! Calvin.
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