NT4 NTFS Versions

[Guest nt4-ever]

re earlier thread i checked my win-NT4

NTFS version

(i never did service pack 4; just 3,5,6a)

 

http://thinkpads.com/WinXP_Comments1.htm

(instructions for using dskprobe to determine

NTFS version - makes brain surgery or

rocket science seem trivial)

 

2nd line after the 70 line was 01 02

so my NTFS is still 1.2 ??

 

these might help?

NTFSCHK - run win-2000 chkdsk from NT4

http://web.archive.org/web/20060819014420/www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsChk.html

 

change NTFS from win-2000 version back

to NT4 version:

http://www.vamos.de/english/bootman2.html#zu_w2

ftp://ftp.vamos.de/pub/vamos/Mark4NTFS.zip

 

(posted from Win-NT4

Install date: 1997/05/31, 22:21:08)

 

:rod-t sacramento

[Guest John John]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

nt4-ever wrote:

> re earlier thread i checked my win-NT4

> NTFS version

> (i never did service pack 4; just 3,5,6a)

 

Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier

packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4.

 

> http://thinkpads.com/WinXP_Comments1.htm

> (instructions for using dskprobe to determine

> NTFS version - makes brain surgery or

> rocket science seem trivial)

>

> 2nd line after the 70 line was 01 02

> so my NTFS is still 1.2 ??

 

That would confirm my suspicions that there are errors in KB872952 (

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/872952 ), the article states:

 

"When you apply Service Pack 4 (SP4) to Windows NT 4.0, NTFS is upgraded

to the version of NTFS that is used in Microsoft Windows 2000 and in

later versions of Windows."

 

Yet, in another article ( http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310749 ) there

appears to be contradictory or inconsistent information:

 

"The version of NTFS included with Windows XP cannot be interpreted

correctly by Windows NT 4.0. However, there is an updated Ntfs.sys

driver in Windows NT 4.0 SP4 that enables Windows NT 4.0 to read from

and write to NTFS volumes in Windows XP"

 

No mention there that the actual file system is changed by SP4, simply a

mention of an upgraded ntfs driver. These two articles appear to offer

different or inconsistent information and your findings also appear to

contradict kb872952.

 

 

> these might help?

> NTFSCHK - run win-2000 chkdsk from NT4

> http://web.archive.org/web/20060819014420/www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsChk.html

>

> change NTFS from win-2000 version back

> to NT4 version:

> http://www.vamos.de/english/bootman2.html#zu_w2

> ftp://ftp.vamos.de/pub/vamos/Mark4NTFS.zip

 

While simply masquerading NTFS v3.x as v1.2 may allow the NT4 version of

chkdsk to run, that may offer false security. The NT4 chkdsk version

simply cannot properly repair NTFS 3.x, the Sysinternal solution or the

hotfix offered by Microsoft would be preferable. If one were to call

Microsoft I wonder if they would be able to get the hotfix. No harm in

trying I guess.

 

John

[Guest nt4-ever]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

John wrote:

> Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier

> packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4.

 

so i wanted to partly refute Your statement so found

the 'Fix List' for Service Pack 5 (SP5) where in QKB

225037, 244974 (use:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id= Q-number)

they list 27 Fixes for Features introduced in SP4

(search for: pack4 "pack 4" sp4)

 

and to show you the section in the SP4 readme

file where they introduce the ability to read/write

NT5/win2000 NTFS volumes: Quote:

 

4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support

This Service Pack contains an updated version of

NTFS.sys that can also read NTFS 5 volumes.

When mounting an NTFS 5.0 volume under

Windows NT 4.0 SP4, NTFS 5.0 features are

unavailable and chkdsk can't be performed

against the volume.

 

file:C:\Winlcl\Docs\Service_Packs\SP4\ServicePack4_Readme.txt

from 1998/10/15. In case you cannot access my

C: drive i googled for QKB 194507

 

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=194507

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507/EN-US/

http://web.archive.org/web/20050216030055/http://support.microsoft.com/kb\/194507/EN-US/

 

ALL were truncated at item number 3.10 !!!

but the full version is here:

http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips/Tip.aspx?id=0781

 

:rod-t sacramento

[Guest John John]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to say. I stated that

Service Packs are cumulative, article

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=225037 says exactly that:

 

"This article is part one of a current listing of the article numbers

for bugs that were fixed in Service Pack 5 for Windows NT 4.0. Service

packs are cumulative. This means that the bugs fixed in a service pack

are also fixed in subsequent service packs."

 

It goes without saying that if a fixes introduced in an earlier Service

Pack prove to cause problems or to not completely fix the problem it

addressed, then it only makes sense that it would be addressed again and

replaced in subsequent packs. It is no surprise that SP5 fixes certain

deficient fixes found in SP4.

 

As for section 4.3 of the SP4 Readme file, it says exactly what I said

earlier, so I'm not sure what we should see there that wasn't already

mentioned.

 

John

 

nt4-ever wrote:

> John wrote:

>

>>Service Packs are cumulative, each successive pack contains earlier

>>packs. So if you installed SP5 or SP6a you have in fact installed SP4.

>

>

> so i wanted to partly refute Your statement so found

> the 'Fix List' for Service Pack 5 (SP5) where in QKB

> 225037, 244974 (use:

> http://support.microsoft.com/?id= Q-number)

> they list 27 Fixes for Features introduced in SP4

> (search for: pack4 "pack 4" sp4)

>

> and to show you the section in the SP4 readme

> file where they introduce the ability to read/write

> NT5/win2000 NTFS volumes: Quote:

>

> 4.3 NTFS Version 4 and NTFS Version 5 Support

> This Service Pack contains an updated version of

> NTFS.sys that can also read NTFS 5 volumes.

> When mounting an NTFS 5.0 volume under

> Windows NT 4.0 SP4, NTFS 5.0 features are

> unavailable and chkdsk can't be performed

> against the volume.

>

> file:C:\Winlcl\Docs\Service_Packs\SP4\ServicePack4_Readme.txt

> from 1998/10/15. In case you cannot access my

> C: drive i googled for QKB 194507

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507

> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=194507

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/194507/EN-US/

> http://web.archive.org/web/20050216030055/http://support.microsoft.com/kb\/194507/EN-US/

>

> ALL were truncated at item number 3.10 !!!

> but the full version is here:

> http://www.jsifaq.com/SF/Tips/Tip.aspx?id=0781

>

> :rod-t sacramento

>

[Guest nt4-ever]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

On Jul 23, 5:48 pm, John John <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

> I'm not sure what it is that you are trying to say.

> John

 

For some reason

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc/topics

lists Jul 19 as last post to this thread ..

so i never saw your reply until in Netscape 3.03

in news i saw your reply.

 

I think the point i was trying to make was

that after Breaking something in a Service

Pack/HotFix that ms sometimes fixed it later.

(But often Not eg after they broke cmd.exe

regedit.exe wordpad.exe etc etc they Never

bothered to fix them)

 

BTW i have the QKB872952 hotfix with a

working password if someone really needs it.

(since chkdsk has worked fine here since

1997 - i suspect someone had a NT4 disk

that NT5/2000/xp converted to the NTFS

version 3.0/3.1 that the NT4 chkdsk

could not handle -- and then they convinced ms

to provide a patch -- imho)

 

:rod-t sacramento

[Guest Calvin]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

Hi Rod,

 

could you be so kind as to disclose the password - I have the .exe

hotfix archive, but of course, without the password it is useless to me.

 

I wasn't planning to implement the patch at this stage, but in the

interests of completeness, I'd like a working copy in the collection here.

 

Calvin.

[Guest nt4-ever]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

On Jul 31, 7:09 pm, Calvin <nos...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Hi Rod,

> could you be so kind as to disclose the password - I have the .exe

> hotfix archive, but of course, without the password it is useless to me.

> Calvin.

 

Of Course Calvin -- but since they change

the password every 7 days ... your version

most likely will not accept the latest

password.

 

If you have a url i can upload it to ?

(i made the password part of the filename

so i would not forget)

or if you would rather i will put it

up on my homepage and email the

url to you?

 

:rod-t

[Guest Calvin]

Re: NT4 NTFS Versions

 

Hi Rod,

 

Whack it up on your website (somewhere private I presume ?) and email me

a URL thanks.

 

nt4-ever wrote:

> Of Course Calvin -- but since they change

> the password every 7 days ... your version

> most likely will not accept the latest

> password.

 

Ahh - I had forgotten about that - what a pain they are ! Why don't

Microsoft just publish the hotfix like all the others and be done with it ??

 

Microsoft - ARGGGHHH !!!

 

Calvin.