"People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

[Guest carl feredeck]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

will if you are pleased with it then good for you.. but can you tell me

these 2 things?

 

1) Did you have xp on the same machine you now have or is this a new one?

2) Did you compare a fresh install of XP with a fresh install of Vista?

Or an old install of XP with a fresh install of vista?

 

Dont tell me that the response of the interface of vista with non aero is

better than XP ...

(I am talking about the drawing of the interface, windows toolbars taskbars

etc.)

Please dont say that because that is 100% sure that vista refresh of the

interface lags significantly if you dont have aero,

compared to XP (that of course doenst have aero at all).

 

 

"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

news:1909E514-5293-42AE-BDC1-D1FB263F5E3E@microsoft.com...

> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

> news:46a0d601@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> >Windows Mail

>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>>

>> win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!

>> the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even

>> THAT creates problems....

>

> Yes, I know that. The biggest improvement is that it doesn't force you

> to top post like OE did.

>

>> Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh

>> Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you

>> dont surf that much.

>> What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and

>> sidebar all day?

>

> Nope, don't even have Flip 3D on this laptop, no Aero at all. Sidebar is

> turned off on both my machines.

>

> It boots faster. It doesn't constantly grind the hard disk after

> un-hibernating like XP does, due to it's better memory management.

> Programs load faster, again due to better memory management.

>

>> The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to

>> XP.

>> When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:

>

> Baloney. It runs circles around XP on my machines. Again, you can't

> extrapolate to the whole world based on problem reports in a support

> forum.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:23:33 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>

> Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would

> touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend

> either is a newsreader.

 

What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's

great for downloading binaries, however.

 

The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on

Windows as good as MT-NW.

 

Mike

[Guest Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:17:21 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

> What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy

> badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this

> newsgroup to pontificate.

 

You have just described yourself.

 

Mike

[Guest Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:34 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:3ok1a3l3c5kgbars0md9dr1hbv24qn7ujl@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:58:32 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior

>> versions of Windows.

>

>No, *you* are missing the point. No one called XP "a major leap" in 2001.

>It was called "2000 with eye candy".

>

>You seem to have no memory of this. Amazing.

>

>Mike

>

You can't be objective. Not surprising at all. Lots of Microsoft

fanboys here that never take the blinders off.

[Guest Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:07:11 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

>news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>* Mike:

>>> Windows Mail

>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>>

>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

>

>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being

>> developed anymore, except for security updates.

>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail

>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

>

>None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

>

>Mike

 

What you saying is a two foot tall pile of rotting garbage is less

offensive than a five foot tall pile of rotting garbage. Most people

would think garbage is just garbage.

[Guest MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

* Mike:

> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> * Mike:

>>> Windows Mail

>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

>

>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being

>> developed anymore, except for security updates.

>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail

>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

>

> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

 

In your opinion.

 

 

-Michael

[Guest Drew]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

You are basically an IDIOT if you think Vista is so bad !!..I will put this

Vista machine (My own custom build) against ANY xp machine !! and I

guarantee THIS machine will out perform it...I have stressed the hell out of

it and NEVER a problem !!.When you say all over the internet I highly doubt

that there are that many when you consider the sales versus

complaints...Also do you have actual proof that customers are returning

Vista to the stores versus those who are happily using it (once again I

doubt it !)...There are still a lot of people out there still using 98

because of bad experiences with xp !! Research it !!!..I know businesses

that still use NT because of bad experiences with xp....99.9% of errors with

Vista are operator error trying to (example) use a Ford model t starter in a

07 corvette..Hell you can't blame Microsoft for computer builders putting

Vista on machines that face it are not and should not have it installed

although they say it will work fine...Computer builders also have a tendency

to install a lot of crap on there machines that we ALL know screws things

up..This system was built expressly for Vista (no other op system

previous)..I do a lot of photo editing,,gaming,,music mixing and various

other projects and have NEVER had a glitch...I have run stress test after

stress test and have never had a crash !! The key is (like any other op

system) keeping up with drivers as well as antivirus and antspyware

protection and do not do what many people have done and just not protect

themselves from others (and now we are forced to live with UAC) why you

might ask ?? Because way too may people complained to Microsoft that there

computers should be protected right from the start within the op

system...That is not what an op system does..That is what we have other

software companies for !!..People like you have no concept of patience or

understanding of what an op system should be or do...When you think you ca

do better or even have a REAL argument please feel free to post back with

results...Until then do NOT post drivel unless you know what you are talking

about

 

Running Vista Business

Intel core2 2.66 processor

Intel D975XBX2 motherboard

4gigs of Kingston HyperX ddr2 800

Nvidia 7900gs graphics card

2 160gig Seagate Barracuda's

Razer Death adder mouse

Saitek's eclipse keyboard

Dell 24" digital flat panel

Logitech's z5300E sound system

Logitech's ultra webcam

Themaltake Armor case

Antec 600watt power supply

Hp 3600n laser printer

Visioneer 9020 scanner

Epson photomate printer

 

All working in perfect harmony with

 

Logitech's G25 racing wheel

Saiteks' x52 flight control system

Microsoft Xbox wireless controller

Oh wait I gotta go now I have an actual life and a computer that works

perfectly but I look forward to your post back with PROOF !!!

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

news:46a0d601@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> >Windows Mail

> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>

> win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!

> the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even

> THAT creates problems....

>

> >Better all-around performance due to MUCH better

>> memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH

>

> Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh

> Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you

> dont surf that much.

> What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and

> sidebar all day?

>

> The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to

> XP.

> When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:

>

> "No new version of windows was ever faster than its predecessor"

>

>>and MUCH better included apps

>

> Dont make me laugh! What better apps? The games? Or the snippet tool? lol

> La-dee-daaa!

>

> The only thing that you could say is a plus is media center for home

> users... since it is vista home premium is the equivilent of

> XP home....

>

> But I personally dont like media center...

>

>

> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

> news:F791367D-702E-435E-8817-49AC098EB29D@microsoft.com...

>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:46a0d095@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> Just because vista has a flashy theme doesnt make it better technology.

>>> It doesnt really have much more to offer. Sorry.

>>

>> The theme is the least of Vista's improvements. One of the machines I'm

>> running it on is a ThinkPad T41 laptop. I can't even GET Aero because

>> of the video card (32 meg Mobility Radeon 9000), but I'd still rather use

>> Vista than XP on this machine. Better all-around performance due to

>> MUCH better memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH better included

>> apps. Windows Mail is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>>

>> Mike

>>

>

>

[Guest MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

 

* John John:

> Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior

>> versions of Windows...

>

> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet

> stockings!

 

To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,

because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge

leap in performance and stability.

 

 

-Michael

[Guest Michael Jennings]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

news:%23a0NSyuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>* Mike:

>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

>> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> * Mike:

>>>> Windows Mail

>>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

>>

>>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being

>>> developed anymore, except for security updates.

>>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail

>>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

>>

>> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

>

> In your opinion.

 

I agree with that!

 

WinMail is repulsive. If you know about OE's quirk of vaporizing the store,

and have provided for that by moving the store to another disk and making

a clone backup, then I think OE is less uncomfortable - better - than

WinMail.

I'd rather prepare and deal with occasional tedium than experience constant

exasperation or chance a catastrophe. That suits me - it may not suit

others.

[Guest MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

* Mike:

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:hln1a35slul94g12el8g5qrb3ls811idic@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:23:33 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>>

>> Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would

>> touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend

>> either is a newsreader.

>

> What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's

> great for downloading binaries, however.

>

> The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on

> Windows as good as MT-NW.

 

Thunderbird. I use it for newsgroups. I use Outlook for email.

 

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

 

 

 

-Michael

[Guest Ian Betts]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to

argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the

operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where the

hell do you own a computer in the first place.

 

 

 

--

Ian

 

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message

news:OuqhHauyHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

> news:46a0c4b4$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> http://news.com.com/Vistas+growing+pains+leave+room+for+XP/2100-1016_3-6197757.html?tag=html.alert.hed

>>

>> David Daoud ran into trouble when he started using Vista, the new version

>> of Windows that Microsoft and PC makers have spent millions of dollars

>> advertising since it came out six months ago.

>>

>> He said it short-circuited key software programs he counts on: Quicken

>> for balancing his checkbook, Lotus Notes e-mail and a networking program

>> that connects his home to the office. His Sony camcorder also doesn't

>> communicate with the PC properly.

>>

>> "Basically they don't work," said Daoud, a computer industry analyst with

>> market research firm IDC.

>>

>> Such problems are part of the normal growing pains that come with every

>> major upgrade to the Windows operating system.

>>

>> To ease those pains, some consumers are seeking out machines equipped

>> with the more compatible Windows XP. That's prompted some PC makers and

>> retailers to give the older operating system more room in their product

>> lines.

>>

>> Hewlett-Packard and Dell recently started selling XP machines on their

>> Web sites. Lenovo Group and Toshiba also offer similarly equipped

>> machines.

>>

>> Microsoft has done its best to get Vista off to a strong start, making it

>> compatible with more than 2 million different types of hardware.

>>

>> The effort seems to be paying off. The company late on Thursday reported

>> quarterly revenue of $13.4 billion, up 13 percent from last year, citing

>> help from strong Vista sales.

>>

>> Microsoft says most people using Vista are pleased with it and that

>> nearly all software and hardware is compatible.

>>

>> Still, some companies have been slow to respond to Microsoft's call for

>> upgrades. Consumers have taken note.

>>

>> Craig Rabe, owner of the Computer Cafe, an independent computer store in

>> Arlington, Mass., says he received so many complaints about Vista after

>> it was launched in February that he stopped selling machines loaded with

>> the software.

>>

>> "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace

>> it with XP?'" he said.

>>

>> Testing users' comfort level

>> The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is advising incoming freshmen

>> to buy PCs loaded with Windows XP.

>>

>> "XP is still fully functional. It's what people are familiar with," said

>> Jon Hunt, who made the decision for MIT. But he expects MIT will soon

>> start supporting Vista.

>>

>> Among retailers, CompUSA says it has the widest selection of XP machines,

>> something it plans to tout during the busy back-to-school sales season.

>>

>> Circuit City Stores offers nine XP models on its Web site. Best Buy does

>> not carry XP machines.

>>

>> The Windows User Group says Vista is an "awesome" system and all of its

>> employees use it. But the company, which provides technical advice on

>> Windows and runs online communities, cautions that the switch can be

>> uncomfortable.

>>

>> "My father-in-law, my niece, my accountant--they all have computers

>> running XP now. If they put Vista on top, not everything is going to

>> work," said WUG vice president Joel Diamond.

>>

>> Microsoft says it has put a lot of effort into working with other

>> companies to solve any problems.

>>

>> "There are some products that don't work with it," said Windows group

>> product manager Justin Jed. "But ... the data shows louder than the

>> anecdotes that people are having a great experience with Windows Vista."

>>

>> He says 72 percent of users have a "favorable" view of Vista, 8 percent

>> "unfavorable," with the rest neutral.

>>

>> What's more, about 96 percent of all printers, keyboards, mice, scanners

>> and other devices in use are compatible with Vista, as are about 2,000

>> software programs, including 49 of the current 50 best-selling retail

>> titles, he says.

>>

>> But while Adobe recently introduced a version of Photoshop professional

>> that works with Vista, customers with the previous edition have to pay

>> $199 for an upgrade.

>>

>> Norton SystemWorks, a $70 security program, has yet to be made Vista

>> compatible though the company says it is in the works. TiVo software for

>> linking to PCs is also incompatible.

>>

>> Microsoft declined to comment on specific problems.

>>

>> "We are going after the ones that impact the most customers," Jed said.

>> "Obviously you cannot be all things to all people."

>>

>

>

> If such problems exist, and MS is aware of it, why not a disclaimer on the

> box or sheet inside the box indicating those 3rd party apps versions, and

> hardware? Is the list that long? Or is MS in pseudo-denial again?

>

> Dave

>

>

[Guest Bill Yanaire]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

The problem is "Never the software"? Boy, you are SO WRONG, it's funny.

 

 

"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote in message

news:74BC0E1C-2FF7-4755-A553-BE6FF9CDD4F6@microsoft.com...

> All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to

> argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the

> operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where the

> hell do you own a computer in the first place.

>

>

>

> --

> Ian

>

> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message

> news:OuqhHauyHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:46a0c4b4$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> http://news.com.com/Vistas+growing+pains+leave+room+for+XP/2100-1016_3-6197757.html?tag=html.alert.hed

>>>

>>> David Daoud ran into trouble when he started using Vista, the new

>>> version of Windows that Microsoft and PC makers have spent millions of

>>> dollars advertising since it came out six months ago.

>>>

>>> He said it short-circuited key software programs he counts on: Quicken

>>> for balancing his checkbook, Lotus Notes e-mail and a networking program

>>> that connects his home to the office. His Sony camcorder also doesn't

>>> communicate with the PC properly.

>>>

>>> "Basically they don't work," said Daoud, a computer industry analyst

>>> with market research firm IDC.

>>>

>>> Such problems are part of the normal growing pains that come with every

>>> major upgrade to the Windows operating system.

>>>

>>> To ease those pains, some consumers are seeking out machines equipped

>>> with the more compatible Windows XP. That's prompted some PC makers and

>>> retailers to give the older operating system more room in their product

>>> lines.

>>>

>>> Hewlett-Packard and Dell recently started selling XP machines on their

>>> Web sites. Lenovo Group and Toshiba also offer similarly equipped

>>> machines.

>>>

>>> Microsoft has done its best to get Vista off to a strong start, making

>>> it compatible with more than 2 million different types of hardware.

>>>

>>> The effort seems to be paying off. The company late on Thursday reported

>>> quarterly revenue of $13.4 billion, up 13 percent from last year, citing

>>> help from strong Vista sales.

>>>

>>> Microsoft says most people using Vista are pleased with it and that

>>> nearly all software and hardware is compatible.

>>>

>>> Still, some companies have been slow to respond to Microsoft's call for

>>> upgrades. Consumers have taken note.

>>>

>>> Craig Rabe, owner of the Computer Cafe, an independent computer store in

>>> Arlington, Mass., says he received so many complaints about Vista after

>>> it was launched in February that he stopped selling machines loaded with

>>> the software.

>>>

>>> "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace

>>> it with XP?'" he said.

>>>

>>> Testing users' comfort level

>>> The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is advising incoming freshmen

>>> to buy PCs loaded with Windows XP.

>>>

>>> "XP is still fully functional. It's what people are familiar with," said

>>> Jon Hunt, who made the decision for MIT. But he expects MIT will soon

>>> start supporting Vista.

>>>

>>> Among retailers, CompUSA says it has the widest selection of XP

>>> machines, something it plans to tout during the busy back-to-school

>>> sales season.

>>>

>>> Circuit City Stores offers nine XP models on its Web site. Best Buy does

>>> not carry XP machines.

>>>

>>> The Windows User Group says Vista is an "awesome" system and all of its

>>> employees use it. But the company, which provides technical advice on

>>> Windows and runs online communities, cautions that the switch can be

>>> uncomfortable.

>>>

>>> "My father-in-law, my niece, my accountant--they all have computers

>>> running XP now. If they put Vista on top, not everything is going to

>>> work," said WUG vice president Joel Diamond.

>>>

>>> Microsoft says it has put a lot of effort into working with other

>>> companies to solve any problems.

>>>

>>> "There are some products that don't work with it," said Windows group

>>> product manager Justin Jed. "But ... the data shows louder than the

>>> anecdotes that people are having a great experience with Windows Vista."

>>>

>>> He says 72 percent of users have a "favorable" view of Vista, 8 percent

>>> "unfavorable," with the rest neutral.

>>>

>>> What's more, about 96 percent of all printers, keyboards, mice, scanners

>>> and other devices in use are compatible with Vista, as are about 2,000

>>> software programs, including 49 of the current 50 best-selling retail

>>> titles, he says.

>>>

>>> But while Adobe recently introduced a version of Photoshop professional

>>> that works with Vista, customers with the previous edition have to pay

>>> $199 for an upgrade.

>>>

>>> Norton SystemWorks, a $70 security program, has yet to be made Vista

>>> compatible though the company says it is in the works. TiVo software for

>>> linking to PCs is also incompatible.

>>>

>>> Microsoft declined to comment on specific problems.

>>>

>>> "We are going after the ones that impact the most customers," Jed said.

>>> "Obviously you cannot be all things to all people."

>>>

>>

>>

>> If such problems exist, and MS is aware of it, why not a disclaimer on

>> the box or sheet inside the box indicating those 3rd party apps versions,

>> and hardware? Is the list that long? Or is MS in pseudo-denial again?

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

[Guest Bob I]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

What is it with all this new fangled graphical user interface stuff

anyway, all it does is waste processor time that would be better used

reading punch cards! <GDnR>

 

Ian Betts wrote:

> All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to

> argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the

> operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where

> the hell do you own a computer in the first place.

>

>

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX

corruption.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

> news:%23a0NSyuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>* Mike:

>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

>>> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> * Mike:

>>>>> Windows Mail

>>>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

>>>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

>>>

>>>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being

>>>> developed anymore, except for security updates.

>>>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail

>>>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

>>>

>>> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

>>

>> In your opinion.

>

> I agree with that!

>

> WinMail is repulsive. If you know about OE's quirk of vaporizing the

> store,

> and have provided for that by moving the store to another disk and making

> a clone backup, then I think OE is less uncomfortable - better - than

> WinMail.

> I'd rather prepare and deal with occasional tedium than experience

> constant

> exasperation or chance a catastrophe. That suits me - it may not suit

> others.

>

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

And has much better hardware support than Win2K.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message

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>

> * John John:

>> Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior

>>> versions of Windows...

>>

>> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet

>> stockings!

>

> To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,

> because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge

> leap in performance and stability.

>

>

> -Michael

[Guest Alias]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX

> corruption.

>

 

Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to

your computer.

 

Alias

[Guest Frank]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Alias wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>

>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any

>> DBX corruption.

>>

>

> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to

> your computer.

>

> Alias

 

Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic as

that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.

But, when you consider the source...well....

Frank

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Which is why I have that idiot killfiled.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.grystmill.com

 

"Frank" <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote in message

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> Alias wrote:

>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>

>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any

>>> DBX corruption.

>>>

>>

>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to

>> your computer.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic as

> that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.

> But, when you consider the source...well....

> Frank

[Guest Alias]

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Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>

>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any

>>> DBX corruption.

>>>

>>

>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to

>> your computer.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic as

> that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.

> But, when you consider the source...well....

> Frank

 

Are you saying that power outages never happen, Frankie Boy?

 

Alias

[Guest Gary]

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Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

 

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

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> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>

>>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any

>>>> DBX corruption.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to

>>> your computer.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic as

>> that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.

>> But, when you consider the source...well....

>> Frank

>

> Are you saying that power outages never happen, Frankie Boy?

>

> Alias

 

Does "UPS" mean anything to you?

[Guest Michael Jennings]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

OE can seem to be very well behaved. Your experience is only uncommon for

the situation where there are millions of individuals. In that case the,

"help, all my messages are gone," subject line in the OE newsgroup made a

regular appearance. OE's data structure has performance at the cost of

fragility - a one bit hit will do the trick. See the Steve Cochran and Tom

Koch OE sites.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX

> corruption.

[Guest Frank]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

 

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>

>>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had

>>>> any DBX corruption.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug

>>> to your computer.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic

>> as that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.

>> But, when you consider the source...well....

>> Frank

>

>

> Are you saying that power outages never happen, Frankie Boy?

>

> Alias

 

Not that it affects our boxes you idiot.

Can you say UPS...?

Oops!

hahaha...you really don't know too much do you.

Frank

[Guest Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

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> will if you are pleased with it then good for you.. but can you tell me

> these 2 things?

>

> 1) Did you have xp on the same machine you now have or is this a new one?

 

Same machines. Dual booting in fact.

> 2) Did you compare a fresh install of XP with a fresh install of Vista?

> Or an old install of XP with a fresh install of vista?

 

One XP install was (at the time I installed Vista) only 3 or 4 months old.

On my 2 identical T41 laptops (one has Vista and OS X, the other has XP and

OS X) all are new installs because I re-partitioned for OS X.

> Dont tell me that the response of the interface of vista with non aero is

> better than XP ...

 

That's what I'm telling you. Sorry if my observations clash with your

pre-conceived notions. The grinding of the disk in XP when restoring

windows (and after un-hibernating) is much more annoying than any slight lag

in Window drawing in Vista - which I haven't noticed in any case.

 

I'll take Vista any day. YMMV.

 

Mike

[Guest Mike]

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Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

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> I dont know anyone from my experience that went from 98 to XP and wanted

> 98 back! Win98 was horrid compared to XP!

 

Then you don't know many people.

 

Most people are naturally resistant to change. They don't like "new" when

they are comfortable with "old and familiar". In a few years time people

will look back at XP and think "I used to actually *use* this?" I thought

that about Windows 2000 a few years ago, and am quickly starting to feel

that way about XP.

 

Mike

[Guest Mike]

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:34 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

> You can't be objective. Not surprising at all. Lots of Microsoft

> fanboys here that never take the blinders off.

 

That's hilarious coming from you.

 

I am the one being objective here. I'm the one that remembers how bad XP

was when it was released. You are the one saying XP was perfect and a

"huge leap forward". I'm the one that posted my network file copying

results that showed that Vista was in fact slower than OS X, but it's not

"seriously broken" the way you keep claiming.

 

No, Vista is not perfect. No new software release ever is. But it's

certainly better than the trolls here keep claiming - some with no real

experience to back up their claims.

 

Mike