Guest designfrog Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest designfrog Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 OPPS- service Pack 2 OPPS- service Pack 2 "designfrog" wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 designfrog wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network > products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What > is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a > network administrator? I have *no clue* what it is you are asking, what might be a typo, etc... Your subject, "HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4" <-- There is no Service Pack 4 for Windows XP. Your message body is not much better... The 'current service pack' for Windows XP is Service Pack 2. http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/ (scanning a Windows XP computer from there) should give you the hot fixes/patches you need for Windows XP. Assuming you mean "Microsoft" when you use "their"... I do not know what 'fix' you speak of. Microsoft releases patches (security/hot fixes/patches) on a schedule. Once per month - the second Tuesday of each month. Sometimes they have skipped months and in a few instances - released some pathces earlier than planned for security reasons. How to use the Windows Update Catalog http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166 (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the patches..) Windows Update Catalog http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the patches..) Creating an Integrated Installation http://snipurl.com/el43 Integrate software updates into your Windows installation source files http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828930 Really customize your CD.. http://unattended.msfn.org/ Produce an up-to-date XP Distribution CD http://xpcreate.com/ AutoPatcher http://www.autopatcher.com/ AutoStreamer http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562 You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for a given month using the following: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply replace ## with the two-digit year and the *** with the three character month abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" and "important" patches for that month (since it only happens once a month usually, if you check by the second Tuesday (wait until afternoon) of each month - you should be fine) - note that future months will not work. As an example... December 2004's patches.. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-dec.mspx March 2005's patches.. None released.. so that one will fail... May 2006's patches.. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-may.mspx January 2007's patches.. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-jan.mspx Once you get on the page with each month's list of patches.. You can go to the related KB articles and grab the appropriate files from there. Here's some help - through April 2007... (If presented with a choice - be an IT professional.) Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP http://snipurl.com/8bqy Critical Updates ---------------------- Released: -- [ Web Page Address ] -- Description: 9/14/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885626 ] -- Critical Update for Windows XP 11/22/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887742 ] -- Update for Windows XP 12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885835 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885836 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886185 ] -- Critical Update for Windows XP 12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/873339 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891781 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888302 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887472 ] -- Security Update for Windows Messenger 4/11/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890859 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 5/18/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894391 ] -- Update for Windows XP 5/24/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896344 ] -- Update for Windows XP 6/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 ] -- Security Update for Microsoft Windows XP 6/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896428 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 6/24/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900930 ] -- Update for Windows XP 6/27/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/898461 ] -- Update for Windows XP 7/11/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/901214 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896423 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899587 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899591 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893756 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/901017 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902400 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905749 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905414 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900725 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 12/12/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910437 ] -- Update for Windows XP 12/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/904706 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 1/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908519 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 2/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911927 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 4/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911562 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 4/18/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/904942 ] -- Update for Windows XP 4/25/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900485 ] -- Update for Windows XP 4/25/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908531 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 5/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913580 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 6/6/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916595 ] -- Update for Windows XP 6/8/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918439 ] -- Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code Execution in Internet Explorer for Windows XP SP2 6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914389 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917953 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 6/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917344 ] -- JScript 5.6 Security Update for Windows XP SP1 and SP2 6/27/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911280 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 7/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917159 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 7/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914388 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917422 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920670 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922616 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920683 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 8/17/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920872 ] -- Update for Windows XP 9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920685 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922582 ] -- Update for Windows XP 9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919007 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922819 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924496 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923414 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923191 ] -- Security Update for Windows XP 11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920213 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft Agent could allow remote code execution 11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923789 ] -- Vulnerabilities in Macromedia Flash Player from Adobe could allow remote code execution 11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924270 ] -- Vulnerability in Workstation Service could allow remote code execution 11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928088 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft XML Core Services could allow remote code execution 11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923980 ] -- Vulnerability in the Client Service could allow remote code execution 12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926247 ] -- Vulnerability in Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) could allow remote code execution 12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926255 ] -- Vulnerability in Windows could allow elevation of privilege 12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923694 ] -- Cumulative security update for Outlook Express 1/9/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929969 ] -- Vulnerability in Vector Markup Language Could Allow Remote Code Execution * If you have installed IE7, also install the IE7 version of this patch! 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928255 ] -- Vulnerability in Windows Shell Could Allow Elevation of Privilege 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927802 ] -- Vulnerability in Windows Image Acquisition Service Could Allow Elevation of Privilege 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928843 ] -- Vulnerability in HTML Help ActiveX Control Could Allow Remote Code Execution 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927779 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft Data Access Components Could Allow Remote Code Execution 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926436 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft OLE Dialog Could Allow Remote Code Execution 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924667 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft MFC Could Allow Remote Code Execution 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918118 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft RichEdit Could Allow Remote Code Execution 2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928090 ] -- Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer * If you have IE7, obtain that version of this update. 4/3/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925902 ] -- Vulnerabilities in GDI Could Allow Remote Code Execution 4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931261 ] -- Vulnerability in Universal Plug and Play Could Allow Remote Code Execution 4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932168 ] -- Vulnerability in Microsoft Agent Could Allow Remote Code Execution 4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930178 ] -- Vulnerabilities in CSRSS Could Allow Remote Code Execution 4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931784 ] -- Vulnerability in Windows Kernel Could Allow Elevation of Privilege Media Player: ------------------- Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description: 9/2/2004 -- [ http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=30984 ] -- Windows Media Player 10 11/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902344 ] -- Update for WMDRM-enabled Media Players 2/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911564 ] -- Security Update for Windows Media Player Plug-in 4/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911565 ] -- Security Update for Windows Media Player 10 for Windows XP 6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917734 ] -- Security Update for Windows Media Player 10 for Windows XP 12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923689 ] -- Vulnerability in Windows Media Format Could Allow Remote Code Execution ..NET Framework: ------------------------ Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description: 3/30/2004 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bde ] -- Microsoft .NET Framework Version 1.1 Redistributable Package 8/30/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885055 ] -- Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 2/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887219 ] -- ASP.NET Security Update for Microsoft NET Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 3/22/2006 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bdv ] -- Microsoft .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable Package (x86) 7/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917283 ] -- NDP 2.0 ASP.Net Security Update 10/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922770 ] -- NET Framework 2.0 SYSTEM.WEB.DLL Security Update Other Updates: --------------------- Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description: 9/14/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/873374 ] -- Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool 9/2/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893803 ] -- Windows Installer 3.1 Redistributable (v2) 10/14/2005 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bex ] -- Windows Media Connect 2.0 11/29/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909520 ] -- Microsoft Base Smart Card Cryptographic Service Provider Package: x86 10/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830 ] -- Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool - November 2006 Purely OPTIONAL: ---------------------- 10/18/2006 -- [ http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/ ] -- Internet Explorer 7.0 10/30/2006 -- [ http://snipurl.com/167ea ] -- Media Player 11 12/8/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925876 ] -- Remote Desktop Connection 6.0 client -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 designfrog wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network > products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What > is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a > network administrator? Shenan Stanley wrote: > I have *no clue* what it is you are asking, what might be a typo, > etc... > Your subject, "HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4" <-- There > is no Service Pack 4 for Windows XP. > > Your message body is not much better... The 'current service pack' > for Windows XP is Service Pack 2. http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/ > (scanning a Windows XP > computer from there) should give you the hot fixes/patches you need > for Windows XP. > Assuming you mean "Microsoft" when you use "their"... > > I do not know what 'fix' you speak of. > > Microsoft releases patches (security/hot fixes/patches) on a > schedule. Once per month - the second Tuesday of each month. Sometimes > they have skipped months and in a few instances - > released some pathces earlier than planned for security reasons. > > How to use the Windows Update Catalog > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166 > (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get > the patches..) > > Windows Update Catalog > http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp > (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get > the patches..) > > Creating an Integrated Installation > http://snipurl.com/el43 > > Integrate software updates into your Windows installation source > files http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828930 > > Really customize your CD.. > http://unattended.msfn.org/ > > Produce an up-to-date XP Distribution CD > http://xpcreate.com/ > > AutoPatcher > http://www.autopatcher.com/ > > AutoStreamer > http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562 > > You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for > a given month using the following: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx > > At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply > replace ## with the two-digit year and the *** with the three > character month abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" > and "important" patches for that month (since it only happens once > a month usually, if you check by the second Tuesday (wait until > afternoon) of each month - you should be fine) - note that future > months will not work. > As an example... > > December 2004's patches.. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-dec.mspx > > March 2005's patches.. > None released.. so that one will fail... > > May 2006's patches.. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-may.mspx > > January 2007's patches.. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-jan.mspx > > > Once you get on the page with each month's list of patches.. You > can go to the related KB articles and grab the appropriate files > from there. > Here's some help - through April 2007... > (If presented with a choice - be an IT professional.) > <snipped list of updates> If you just wanted dates... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/servicepacks.mspx -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest PA Bear Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User) AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org designfrog wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest Andrew Murray Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 There are no fixes - there is no Service Pack 4! "designfrog" <designfrog@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D0DA7536-3989-444D-B41D-842DE51F94CC@microsoft.com... > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest Daave Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: OPPS- service Pack 2 Re: OPPS- service Pack 2 designfrog wrote: > "designfrog" wrote: > >> Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network >> products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What >> is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a >> network administrator? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en File Name: WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe Version: SP2 Date Published: 8/10/2004 Language: English Download Size: 266.0 MB Estimated Download Time: DSL/Cable (768K) 48 min T1 (1.5M) 25 min Of course there are numerous patches since Service Pack 2 that also need to be downloaded and installed.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:14:01 -0700, designfrog <designfrog@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator? Is this meant to be a question? Sorry, I don't understand it at all, but let me point out that there is no Windows XP Service Pack 4. SP2 is the latest. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Daave Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:14:01 -0700, designfrog > <designfrog@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network >> products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What >> is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a >> network administrator? > > Is this meant to be a question? Sorry, I don't understand it at all, > but let me point out that there is no Windows XP Service Pack 4. SP2 > is the latest. OP indicated he had made a typo and was indeed referring to SP2. But he did it in a clumsy way: not by writing the info in the body of the post, but by changing the subject line! He made that post last night. I see you're using Agent. Is it possible that Agent doesn't keep thread messages in the same thread if the Subject Line is changed?
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:23:32 -0400, "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:14:01 -0700, designfrog > > <designfrog@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > >> Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network > >> products. What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What > >> is the physical size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a > >> network administrator? > > > > Is this meant to be a question? Sorry, I don't understand it at all, > > but let me point out that there is no Windows XP Service Pack 4. SP2 > > is the latest. > > OP indicated he had made a typo and was indeed referring to SP2. But he > did it in a clumsy way: not by writing the info in the body of the post, > but by changing the subject line! > > He made that post last night. I see you're using Agent. Is it possible > that Agent doesn't keep thread messages in the same thread if the > Subject Line is changed? I'm new to Agent, and not an expert in it, but I don't think that's what it does. I probably just missed his later post, or if I saw it, I didn't look at its subject line (Agent shows it only for the first message in the thread). Nevertheless, I still don't understanding what he's asking. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Bob I Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 Are you supposed to be doing research? This is a newsgroup, not a chatroom, Perhaps if you tried using google first? designfrog wrote: > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 Sounds like a classroom exercise. You're going to need a lot more info that you can receive here. Besides Shenan's links, you should be using Advanced Search of MS Support. http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1 -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "designfrog" <designfrog@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D0DA7536-3989-444D-B41D-842DE51F94CC@microsoft.com... > Find the current Service Packs, Hot Fixes etc. for their network products. > What is the time frame since their last major "fix"? What is the physical > size of the "fix". How would you acquire this as a network administrator?
Guest Zilbandy Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: HELP- "fix" for Windows XP service Pack4 On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:23:32 -0400, "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: >I see you're using Agent. Is it possible >that Agent doesn't keep thread messages in the same thread if the >Subject Line is changed? Any messages in that particular thread will have the sp2 header. Responses to the original post will have the subject of the original header. The header for your post I'm replying to is the original sp4 header... in Agent 4, anyway. -- Zilbandy
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