Guest David of IC Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can anyone help? I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic.
Guest Sharon Franks Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? You just learned. -- Sharon Franks MCC group Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD) Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT). "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can >anyone help? > > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. >
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? you wouldn't want to read them anyways since it is around 20 or 30 thousands of pages... you must be a genius for being able to post your question here without the instructions anyways. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. >Can anyone help? > > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC > logic. >
Guest Sooner Al [MVP] Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can >anyone help? > > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. > Here are some links that you may find of some help... http://www.microsoft.com/communities/guide/default.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/communities/guide/newsgroups.mspx http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 Also searching Google yields many answers to questions already asked... http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en http://groups.google.com/advanced_search http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=33554433 Good luck... -- Al Jarvi (MS-MVP Windows Networking) Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the mutual benefit of all of us... The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights... How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
Guest Bert Kinney Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? Hi David, Here are some instructions on making good newsgroup posts: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm Regards, Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User http://bertk.mvps.org Member: http://dts-l.org David of IC wrote: > I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > anyone help? > > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 22, 2007 Posted July 22, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:26:42 -0400, "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote: > I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > anyone help? You're doing fine so far. It's actually very easy, and instructions shouldn't be needed. If you have any specific questions, ask them. > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. There's no "PC logic" (whatever that is) involved. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Phil Weldon Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? 'David of IC' wrote: | I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can | anyone help? | | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. _____ You are already a leg up since you used a newsreader (rather than the Microsoft web based interface) to post. A newsreader will allow access to tens of thousands of newsgroups (if your ISP includes these newsgroups on their newsservers.) The Microsoft web based interface is clunky, clumsy, and limited to microsoft.public.* newsgroups Other than the cite 'Bert Kinney' posted and the advice from 'Sharon Franks' and 'Ken Blake', the best learning approaches are to read the posts in a decent newsgroup (microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics, for example), take note of the 'thread' (heirarchical) structure, notice the reaction different styles of posts provoke, be aware of the functioning of 'peer review' (the more knowledgable participants tend to review posted advice for aptness and value), avoid reacting to immature and 'acting out' posts - if possible B^), avoid MAKING immature and 'acting out' posts, NEVER use a real email address identity for your newsgroup posts unless you are willing to be spammed (spammers have programs that harvest email addresses from newsgroups) - if 'gnchhi@hotmail.com', as contained in the header of your post, is a real email address, expect new spam withing a day or so to that mailbox - if you wish no know how to avoid placing a real email address in your post headers, Google search { munging newsgroup email }, measure twice, cut once (think and organize your thoughts before posting) use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, be aware of trolls - a selection of posters whose entire purpose is to provoke and obstruct, be aware that Usenet is international. There are many other styles of use, you will see them all. There are many possible types, functions, and audiences for newsgroups, you can see them all. There is NO supervision of Usenet newsgroup content and style, deliberatly so. 'Peer pressure' is slow to operate, but can be very powerful. Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet; common sense and a friendly approach goes a long way - no 'PC logic' is necessary, just the ability to express yourself more or less clearly. Phil Weldon "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can | anyone help? | | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. | |
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:46:02 GMT, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of typos too. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Phil Weldon Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? 'Ken Blake' wrote: | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) | | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of | typos too. _____ Thanks for point out the spelling error, doubly embarassing since I recommended (and use) a spell checker. I wonder how that slipped through. 'Grammer' certainly should have been picked up when the message was sent. Phil Weldon "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:kb3aa3ln966hk8ouke2j5navltrcmcok9p@4ax.com... | On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:46:02 GMT, "Phil Weldon" | <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: | | | > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell | > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, | | | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) | | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of | typos too. | | -- | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:52:34 GMT, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: > 'Ken Blake' wrote: > | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling > | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in > | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" > | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) > | > | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of > | typos too. > _____ > > Thanks for point out the spelling error, doubly embarassing since I > recommended (and use) a spell checker. I wonder how that slipped through. > 'Grammer' certainly should have been picked up when the message was sent. You're welcome, but I didn't mean to embarrass you. > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:kb3aa3ln966hk8ouke2j5navltrcmcok9p@4ax.com... > | On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:46:02 GMT, "Phil Weldon" > | <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: > | > | > | > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a > spell > | > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, > | > | > | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling > | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in > | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" > | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) > | > | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of > | typos too. > | > | -- > | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > | Please Reply to the Newsgroup > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Phil Weldon Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? 'Ken Blake' wrote: | You're welcome, but I didn't mean to embarrass you. _____ Oh no, I did that all by myself B^) Phil Weldon "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:ts7aa3d0tc3o0upe32kvamknsm0n1mli1s@4ax.com... | On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:52:34 GMT, "Phil Weldon" | <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: | | > 'Ken Blake' wrote: | > | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling | > | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in | > | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" | > | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) | > | | > | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of | > | typos too. | > _____ | > | > Thanks for point out the spelling error, doubly embarassing since I | > recommended (and use) a spell checker. I wonder how that slipped through. | > 'Grammer' certainly should have been picked up when the message was sent. | | | You're welcome, but I didn't mean to embarrass you. | | | > | > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message | > news:kb3aa3ln966hk8ouke2j5navltrcmcok9p@4ax.com... | > | On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:46:02 GMT, "Phil Weldon" | > | <not.disclosed@example.com> wrote: | > | | > | | > | > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a | > spell | > | > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, | > | | > | | > | I apologize in advance, since I hate messages pointing out spelling | > | errors, unless they are critical to someone's understanding. But in | > | this case, I thought the juxtaposition of the misspelling "grammer" | > | and the phrase "proper spelling" humorous. ;-) | > | | > | I don't mean to pick on you-- I know I make more than my own share of | > | typos too. | > | | > | -- | > | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | > | Please Reply to the Newsgroup | > | | -- | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Richard Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? On Jul 23, 1:46 am, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclo...@example.com> wrote: > 'David of IC' wrote: > > | I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > | anyone help? > | > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. > _____ > > You are already a leg up since you used a newsreader (rather than the > Microsoft web based interface) to post. A newsreader will allow access to > tens of thousands of newsgroups (if your ISP includes these newsgroups on > their newsservers.) The Microsoft web based interface is clunky, clumsy, > and limited to microsoft.public.* newsgroups > > Other than the cite 'Bert Kinney' posted and the advice from 'Sharon > Franks' and 'Ken Blake', the best learning approaches are to > > read the posts in a decent newsgroup (microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics, > for example), > > take note of the 'thread' (heirarchical) structure, > > notice the reaction different styles of posts provoke, > > be aware of the functioning of 'peer review' (the more knowledgable > participants tend to review posted advice for aptness and value), > > avoid reacting to immature and 'acting out' posts - if possible B^), > > avoid MAKING immature and 'acting out' posts, > > NEVER use a real email address identity for your newsgroup posts unless > you are willing to be spammed (spammers have programs that harvest email > addresses from newsgroups) - if 'gnc...@hotmail.com', as contained in the > header of your post, is a real email address, expect new spam withing a day > or so to that mailbox - if you wish no know how to avoid placing a real > email address in your post headers, Google search { munging newsgroup > email }, > > measure twice, cut once (think and organize your thoughts before > posting) > > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, > > be aware of trolls - a selection of posters whose entire purpose is to > provoke and obstruct, > > be aware that Usenet is international. > > There are many other styles of use, you will see them all. > > There are many possible types, functions, and audiences for newsgroups, you > can see them all. > > There is NO supervision of Usenet newsgroup content and style, deliberatly > so. 'Peer pressure' is slow to operate, but can be very powerful. > > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet; common sense and a > friendly approach goes a long way - no 'PC logic' is necessary, just the > ability to express yourself more or less clearly. > > Phil Weldon > > "David of IC" <gnc...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > | anyone help? > | > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. > | > | Hi Phil, I think you did a nice job for the OP. > I find a spell checker very valuable I do, too, but apparently you checker was turned off when you authored this post, e.g. "deliberatly" ;-) > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet Would that it were so. I post to a lot of newsgroups with extremely satisfactory results. But recently I was excoriated on some newsgroup for "top posting" and using "Google Groups." Weird, eh? Best wishes, Richard
Guest Phil Weldon Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? 'Richard' wrote: | I think you did a nice job for the OP. | | > I find a spell checker very valuable | | I do, too, but apparently you checker was turned off when you authored | this post, e.g. "deliberatly" ;-) | | > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet | | Would that it were so. I post to a lot of newsgroups with extremely | satisfactory results. But recently I was excoriated on some newsgroup | for "top posting" and using "Google Groups." _____ Thanks for the kind word. And I have now re-enabled spellchecking on 'Send'. Some requirements exist only in certain minds B^) Phil Weldon "Richard" <RichardDummyMailbox58407@USComputerGurus.com> wrote in message news:1185235498.031124.212340@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... | On Jul 23, 1:46 am, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclo...@example.com> wrote: | > 'David of IC' wrote: | > | > | I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can | > | anyone help? | > | | > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. | > _____ | > | > You are already a leg up since you used a newsreader (rather than the | > Microsoft web based interface) to post. A newsreader will allow access to | > tens of thousands of newsgroups (if your ISP includes these newsgroups on | > their newsservers.) The Microsoft web based interface is clunky, clumsy, | > and limited to microsoft.public.* newsgroups | > | > Other than the cite 'Bert Kinney' posted and the advice from 'Sharon | > Franks' and 'Ken Blake', the best learning approaches are to | > | > read the posts in a decent newsgroup (microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics, | > for example), | > | > take note of the 'thread' (heirarchical) structure, | > | > notice the reaction different styles of posts provoke, | > | > be aware of the functioning of 'peer review' (the more knowledgable | > participants tend to review posted advice for aptness and value), | > | > avoid reacting to immature and 'acting out' posts - if possible B^), | > | > avoid MAKING immature and 'acting out' posts, | > | > NEVER use a real email address identity for your newsgroup posts unless | > you are willing to be spammed (spammers have programs that harvest email | > addresses from newsgroups) - if 'gnc...@hotmail.com', as contained in the | > header of your post, is a real email address, expect new spam withing a day | > or so to that mailbox - if you wish no know how to avoid placing a real | > email address in your post headers, Google search { munging newsgroup | > email }, | > | > measure twice, cut once (think and organize your thoughts before | > posting) | > | > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell | > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, | > | > be aware of trolls - a selection of posters whose entire purpose is to | > provoke and obstruct, | > | > be aware that Usenet is international. | > | > There are many other styles of use, you will see them all. | > | > There are many possible types, functions, and audiences for newsgroups, you | > can see them all. | > | > There is NO supervision of Usenet newsgroup content and style, deliberatly | > so. 'Peer pressure' is slow to operate, but can be very powerful. | > | > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet; common sense and a | > friendly approach goes a long way - no 'PC logic' is necessary, just the | > ability to express yourself more or less clearly. | > | > Phil Weldon | > | > "David of IC" <gnc...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > |I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can | > | anyone help? | > | | > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. | > | | > | | | Hi Phil, | | I think you did a nice job for the OP. | | > I find a spell checker very valuable | | I do, too, but apparently you checker was turned off when you authored | this post, e.g. "deliberatly" ;-) | | > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet | | Would that it were so. I post to a lot of newsgroups with extremely | satisfactory results. But recently I was excoriated on some newsgroup | for "top posting" and using "Google Groups." | | Weird, eh? | | Best wishes, | Richard |
Guest Richard Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? On Jul 23, 8:04 pm, Richard <RichardDummyMailbox58...@USComputerGurus.com> wrote: > On Jul 23, 1:46 am, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclo...@example.com> wrote: > > > > > 'David of IC' wrote: > > > | I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > > | anyone help? > > | > > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. > > _____ > > > You are already a leg up since you used a newsreader (rather than the > > Microsoft web based interface) to post. A newsreader will allow access to > > tens of thousands of newsgroups (if your ISP includes these newsgroups on > > their newsservers.) The Microsoft web based interface is clunky, clumsy, > > and limited to microsoft.public.* newsgroups > > > Other than the cite 'Bert Kinney' posted and the advice from 'Sharon > > Franks' and 'Ken Blake', the best learning approaches are to > > > read the posts in a decent newsgroup (microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics, > > for example), > > > take note of the 'thread' (heirarchical) structure, > > > notice the reaction different styles of posts provoke, > > > be aware of the functioning of 'peer review' (the more knowledgable > > participants tend to review posted advice for aptness and value), > > > avoid reacting to immature and 'acting out' posts - if possible B^), > > > avoid MAKING immature and 'acting out' posts, > > > NEVER use a real email address identity for your newsgroup posts unless > > you are willing to be spammed (spammers have programs that harvest email > > addresses from newsgroups) - if 'gnc...@hotmail.com', as contained in the > > header of your post, is a real email address, expect new spam withing a day > > or so to that mailbox - if you wish no know how to avoid placing a real > > email address in your post headers, Google search { munging newsgroup > > email }, > > > measure twice, cut once (think and organize your thoughts before > > posting) > > > use good grammer and proper spelling - if possible B^) - I find a spell > > checker very valuable, a grammer checker completly useless, > > > be aware of trolls - a selection of posters whose entire purpose is to > > provoke and obstruct, > > > be aware that Usenet is international. > > > There are many other styles of use, you will see them all. > > > There are many possible types, functions, and audiences for newsgroups, you > > can see them all. > > > There is NO supervision of Usenet newsgroup content and style, deliberatly > > so. 'Peer pressure' is slow to operate, but can be very powerful. > > > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet; common sense and a > > friendly approach goes a long way - no 'PC logic' is necessary, just the > > ability to express yourself more or less clearly. > > > Phil Weldon > > > "David of IC" <gnc...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > |I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can > > | anyone help? > > | > > | I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. > > | > > | > > Hi Phil, > > I think you did a nice job for the OP. > > > I find a spell checker very valuable > > I do, too, but apparently you checker was turned off when you authored > this post, e.g. "deliberatly" ;-) > > > Finally, there are no requirements for using Usenet > > Would that it were so. I post to a lot of newsgroups with extremely > satisfactory results. But recently I was excoriated on some newsgroup > for "top posting" and using "Google Groups." > > Weird, eh? > > Best wishes, > Richard > apparently you checker And clearly my grammar checker wasn't working, er, except I don't use any because I find them to be too unsophisticated for "real, work-a- day" English. :-)
Guest Andrew Murray Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 Re: How to use Newsgroups? You post a question.....other users will try to help you by giving an answer based on the information you give, and on their knowledge and expertise..... You've already successfully posted a question (this one : "How do you use newsgroups?"). You're half-way there; all you need to do now is frequently check back and monitor your question for responses. "David of IC" <gnchhi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uLS%23McKzHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I can not find understandable instructions on how to use Newsgroups. Can >anyone help? > > I am not a computer geek and only understand normal logic, not PC logic. >
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