Guest Charlie Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to download a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device attached to the System is not functioning". I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know where I can download a version compatable with Win ME?? Thanks for any help... Charlie R.
Guest Mart Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 Re: WinZip. Not too sure why you particularly need "WinZip". Are you aware that WinMe has its own inbuilt version which allows you both 'zip' and 'unzip' files and folders? If your installation of WinMe doesn't seem to offer that facility, it may have never been enabled therefore you may need to enable it. Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs / Windows Setup tab. Scroll for System Tools and click 'Details', then under 'Components:', Scroll for 'Compressed Folders' - Check the tick box to enable it. Mart "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to > download > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device attached > to > the System is not functioning". > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know where I > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? > Thanks for any help... > Charlie R.
Guest Mart Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 Re: WinZip. - Addendum Re: WinZip. - Addendum Addendum See also :- "Description of Compressed Folders and Files With .Zip File Extensions in Windows Millennium Edition" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272996/en-us Mart
Guest Heather Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 Re: WinZip. http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winzip Go to the above website (Old Version) and download the version that you uninstalled or a newer one. Heather "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to > download > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device > attached to > the System is not functioning". > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know > where I > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? > Thanks for any help... > Charlie R.
Guest Charlie Posted July 26, 2007 Posted July 26, 2007 Re: WinZip. Thanks Mart..No,I was not aware of this feature..Will give it a try...Thanks again. Charlie "Mart" wrote: > Not too sure why you particularly need "WinZip". Are you aware that WinMe > has its own inbuilt version which allows you both 'zip' and 'unzip' files > and folders? > > If your installation of WinMe doesn't seem to offer that facility, it may > have never been enabled therefore you may need to enable it. > > Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs / Windows Setup tab. > Scroll for System Tools and click 'Details', then under 'Components:', > Scroll for 'Compressed Folders' - Check the tick box to enable it. > > Mart > > > "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... > > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to > > download > > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device attached > > to > > the System is not functioning". > > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know where I > > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? > > Thanks for any help... > > Charlie R. > > >
Guest webster72n Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: WinZip. For some strange reason my WinZip had disappeared from my start menu and through this link I was able to reinstall version 9.0 with permission, because I had purchased the previous version with accompanying registration #. Thanks for making this quick process possible, Heather. Hope Charlie could benefit from this , too. Harry. "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:efmCRC8zHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winzip > > Go to the above website (Old Version) and download the version that you > uninstalled or a newer one. > > Heather > "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... > > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to > > download > > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device > > attached to > > the System is not functioning". > > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know > > where I > > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? > > Thanks for any help... > > Charlie R. > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: WinZip. It certainly isn't necessary to reinstall an app just to restore a Start menu shortcut. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O4H5ej%23zHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > For some strange reason my WinZip had disappeared from my start menu and > through this link I was able to reinstall version 9.0 with permission, > because I had purchased the previous version with accompanying > registration > #. > Thanks for making this quick process possible, Heather. > Hope Charlie could benefit from this , too. > > Harry. > > > "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:efmCRC8zHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winzip >> >> Go to the above website (Old Version) and download the version that you >> uninstalled or a newer one. >> >> Heather >> "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... >> > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to >> > download >> > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device >> > attached to >> > the System is not functioning". >> > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know >> > where I >> > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? >> > Thanks for any help... >> > Charlie R. >> >> > >
Guest webster72n Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: WinZip. Probably should have done some investigating, but for lack of concentration, reinstallation worked quite well for me. Again, my time on the puter is very limited, due to other priorities. Thanks for the 'hint', Gary. Harry. "Gary S. Terhune" <nobody@nowhere.not> wrote in message news:uesvpb$zHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > It certainly isn't necessary to reinstall an app just to restore a Start > menu shortcut. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:O4H5ej%23zHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > For some strange reason my WinZip had disappeared from my start menu and > > through this link I was able to reinstall version 9.0 with permission, > > because I had purchased the previous version with accompanying > > registration > > #. > > Thanks for making this quick process possible, Heather. > > Hope Charlie could benefit from this , too. > > > > Harry. > > > > > > "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > > news:efmCRC8zHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winzip > >> > >> Go to the above website (Old Version) and download the version that you > >> uninstalled or a newer one. > >> > >> Heather > >> "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... > >> > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to > >> > download > >> > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device > >> > attached to > >> > the System is not functioning". > >> > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know > >> > where I > >> > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? > >> > Thanks for any help... > >> > Charlie R. > >> > >> > > > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: WinZip. Sorry, I could have added the detail, but I figured if I just jogged your memory... <s>. Hint to others: Create a shortcut on your Desktop, first, then move it to wherever in the Start menu you want it. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OGnfsLH0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Probably should have done some investigating, but for lack of > concentration, > reinstallation worked quite well for me. > Again, my time on the puter is very limited, due to other priorities. > Thanks for the 'hint', Gary. > > Harry. > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <nobody@nowhere.not> wrote in message > news:uesvpb$zHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> It certainly isn't necessary to reinstall an app just to restore a Start >> menu shortcut. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:O4H5ej%23zHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> > For some strange reason my WinZip had disappeared from my start menu >> > and >> > through this link I was able to reinstall version 9.0 with permission, >> > because I had purchased the previous version with accompanying >> > registration >> > #. >> > Thanks for making this quick process possible, Heather. >> > Hope Charlie could benefit from this , too. >> > >> > Harry. >> > >> > >> > "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message >> > news:efmCRC8zHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winzip >> >> >> >> Go to the above website (Old Version) and download the version that >> >> you >> >> uninstalled or a newer one. >> >> >> >> Heather >> >> "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... >> >> > My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to >> >> > download >> >> > a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device >> >> > attached to >> >> > the System is not functioning". >> >> > I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know >> >> > where I >> >> > can download a version compatable with Win ME?? >> >> > Thanks for any help... >> >> > Charlie R. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
Guest Shane Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: WinZip. I have to say though, Mart, it is a pita compared to Winzip - or indeed Winrar or almost every other archiver. If you install Winrar then in Configuration select Cascading Menus, then uncheck the lowest 4 of these, i.e. the ones concerned with making as opposed to extracting, you can use Winrar indefinitely - to unzip via the handy context menu and never be nagged to register! Even if you stick with Compressed Folders to create archives, Winrar to unzip them is far superior and really well worth installing. Meanwhile Winrar is better than Winzip and Compressed Folders, for a superior compression algorithm. Of course, if you've registered either Winzip or Winrar you can create self-extractors too. Funny though - there are things that once known, the cat is out of the bag. Winzip's corrected now, but from the version for Win 3.x up to Winzip 8.1 you can register it to 'x' with the code '00020000'. You know, once someone tells you that, you can't forget it if you try! ;-) 8.1 was perfectly good, of course, and you can doubtless find it still (though I dumped my copy along with my NT4.0 stuff recently). Post Winzip 8.1 you get the long-awaited command line add-on, so getting Winzip beyond 30 days without nag screens, for free, by using 8.1 has it's disadvantages. And if you don't really want self extractor or command line options, Compressed Folders to zip and Winrar to unzip are a pretty good combo anyway, and what I'd recommend. Hey, Mart! If you want to continue investigating Vista without actually paying a farthing for it, I can't see what Vista has that can't be configured in the Server 2008 beta that is valid until next April! Aero is growing on me. I could end up thinking it's bubblicious! And you can turn the awful UAC off easily. Hard finding AV for it though, free or paid. Obviously as a server it is expected to be behind a router rather than software. And Windows Defender is part of the program (though SR isn't!) - not that I'm filled to overflowing with confidence at that! I was going with a Kaspersky beta -I trust it to essentially work, but it wouldn't update as the key had expired (I downloaded it last night). Such are the trials of beta testing, eh? Better try again, I suppose. Or go to bed. Had a wash tonight! With half a bucket of water! By god it was fine! Back to wet wipes for the rest of the week though. Thankfully they refilled the nearest bowser tonight - there has been considerable doubt that they were ever going to get round to it. Well, guess I'll get down the garden before bed! Ironically around here when I was a kid is the only place I was familiar with outside toilets (and to demonstrate how weird nostalgia is I actually miss them!). Today there are no walls though. It is an open plan outside lav. Shane "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:uqR3ix7zHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Not too sure why you particularly need "WinZip". Are you aware that WinMe > has its own inbuilt version which allows you both 'zip' and 'unzip' files > and folders? > > If your installation of WinMe doesn't seem to offer that facility, it may > have never been enabled therefore you may need to enable it. > > Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs / Windows Setup tab. > Scroll for System Tools and click 'Details', then under 'Components:', > Scroll for 'Compressed Folders' - Check the tick box to enable it. > > Mart > > > "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... >> My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to >> download >> a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device attached >> to >> the System is not functioning". >> I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know where I >> can download a version compatable with Win ME?? >> Thanks for any help... >> Charlie R. > >
Guest Mart Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Re: WinZip. In fairness Shane, I didn't argue the point for or against "bells'n whistles", my response was to offer a simple and *free* solution to (what I guessed was) an urgent problem. Further, I'd dumped WinZip years ago in favour of the WinMe - and more so - the XP compression utilities, which have always been quite satisfactory for my needs. Pita compared to WinZip? - Not my experience. In fact I found WinZip and WinRar were more complicated/fiddly (too many bells). However I don't use compression very often (other than .jpg and .mp3 - where I have other applications to take care of those file types). Most times, I only need to unzip (downloaded drivers, for example) where the MS utilities have always been perfectly adequate for me. Regarding the (WinZip) key-code - I'd registered for mine in the Win98 (or was that 95) days, but as I later found the MS WinMe (de)compression utility worked fine, I never bothered to upgrade and so the key was effectively wasted (on me). Hmm.. I'll have a think about Vista <bg> I see Germany has sent you a huge water tanker. Are they trying to muscle-in on the French? One consolation, we can be assured that British water has been passed. Only the Brits would vandalise a bowser. <shrug> Mart "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eh$iEiK0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I have to say though, Mart, it is a pita compared to Winzip - or indeed >Winrar or almost every other archiver. If you install Winrar then in >Configuration select Cascading Menus, then uncheck the lowest 4 of these, >i.e. the ones concerned with making as opposed to extracting, you can use >Winrar indefinitely - to unzip via the handy context menu and never be >nagged to register! Even if you stick with Compressed Folders to create >archives, Winrar to unzip them is far superior and really well worth >installing. > > Meanwhile Winrar is better than Winzip and Compressed Folders, for a > superior compression algorithm. Of course, if you've registered either > Winzip or Winrar you can create self-extractors too. > > Funny though - there are things that once known, the cat is out of the > bag. Winzip's corrected now, but from the version for Win 3.x up to Winzip > 8.1 you can register it to 'x' with the code '00020000'. You know, once > someone tells you that, you can't forget it if you try! ;-) 8.1 was > perfectly good, of course, and you can doubtless find it still (though I > dumped my copy along with my NT4.0 stuff recently). Post Winzip 8.1 you > get the long-awaited command line add-on, so getting Winzip beyond 30 days > without nag screens, for free, by using 8.1 has it's disadvantages. And if > you don't really want self extractor or command line options, Compressed > Folders to zip and Winrar to unzip are a pretty good combo anyway, and > what I'd recommend. > > Hey, Mart! If you want to continue investigating Vista without actually > paying a farthing for it, I can't see what Vista has that can't be > configured in the Server 2008 beta that is valid until next April! Aero is > growing on me. I could end up thinking it's bubblicious! And you can turn > the awful UAC off easily. Hard finding AV for it though, free or paid. > Obviously as a server it is expected to be behind a router rather than > software. And Windows Defender is part of the program (though SR isn't!) - > not that I'm filled to overflowing with confidence at that! I was going > with a Kaspersky beta -I trust it to essentially work, but it wouldn't > update as the key had expired (I downloaded it last night). Such are the > trials of beta testing, eh? Better try again, I suppose. Or go to bed. > > Had a wash tonight! With half a bucket of water! By god it was fine! Back > to wet wipes for the rest of the week though. Thankfully they refilled the > nearest bowser tonight - there has been considerable doubt that they were > ever going to get round to it. > > Well, guess I'll get down the garden before bed! Ironically around here > when I was a kid is the only place I was familiar with outside toilets > (and to demonstrate how weird nostalgia is I actually miss them!). Today > there are no walls though. It is an open plan outside lav. > > Shane > > > > > "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message > news:uqR3ix7zHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Not too sure why you particularly need "WinZip". Are you aware that WinMe >> has its own inbuilt version which allows you both 'zip' and 'unzip' files >> and folders? >> >> If your installation of WinMe doesn't seem to offer that facility, it may >> have never been enabled therefore you may need to enable it. >> >> Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs / Windows Setup tab. >> Scroll for System Tools and click 'Details', then under 'Components:', >> Scroll for 'Compressed Folders' - Check the tick box to enable it. >> >> Mart >> >> >> "Charlie" <Charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:A270570B-3A93-4B31-AEAB-52994F58C8D8@microsoft.com... >>> My old version of WinZip was acting up,so I deleted it.Have tried to >>> download >>> a newer version from several sites but get the message,"A device >>> attached to >>> the System is not functioning". >>> I am using Win ME and am guessing that is the problem.Anyone know where >>> I >>> can download a version compatable with Win ME?? >>> Thanks for any help... >>> Charlie R. >> >> >
Guest Joan Archer Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Re: WinZip. I never used the compression in WinME when I had it. I think I looked at WinZip but ended up getting PowerArchiver which I think for £19.99 bought the program and lifetime updates, and they work <g> I've had it several years now and it has gone through a couple of version upgrades that needed new install keys and I've got them with no problem, and the program is good to use even though I don't really use it too much <g> Joan Mart wrote: > In fairness Shane, I didn't argue the point for or against "bells'n > whistles", my response was to offer a simple and *free* solution to > (what I guessed was) an urgent problem. Further, I'd dumped WinZip > years ago in favour of the WinMe - and more so - the XP compression > utilities, which have always been quite satisfactory for my needs. > > Pita compared to WinZip? - Not my experience. In fact I found WinZip > and WinRar were more complicated/fiddly (too many bells). However I > don't use compression very often (other than .jpg and .mp3 - where I > have other applications to take care of those file types). Most > times, I only need to unzip (downloaded drivers, for example) where > the MS utilities have always been perfectly adequate for me. > > Regarding the (WinZip) key-code - I'd registered for mine in the > Win98 (or was that 95) days, but as I later found the MS WinMe > (de)compression utility worked fine, I never bothered to upgrade and > so the key was effectively wasted (on me). > > Hmm.. I'll have a think about Vista <bg> > > I see Germany has sent you a huge water tanker. Are they trying to > muscle-in on the French? One consolation, we can be assured that > British water has been passed. Only the Brits would vandalise a > bowser. <shrug> > Mart >
Guest Mart Posted July 28, 2007 Posted July 28, 2007 Re: WinZip. Hi Joan, My guess (and from my own earlier experience) is that most users of WinZip probably started out in the pre-WinMe days and therefore (bought?) installed WinZip (or other 3rd-party utility). When they upgraded to WinMe, they either didn't realize there was a compression utility included (possibly because it was 'disabled' by duhfault), didn't realize that it opened (and compressed) 'real' zip files or - because it effectively used a different GUI - were so used to WinZip, maybe they couldn't be bothered with the WinMe version. However, being a 'tight-wad', £19.99 was a enough to make find out <g> Mart "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:ORBe8cQ0HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I never used the compression in WinME when I had it. > I think I looked at WinZip but ended up getting PowerArchiver which I > think for £19.99 bought the program and lifetime updates, and they work > <g> > I've had it several years now and it has gone through a couple of version > upgrades that needed new install keys and I've got them with no problem, > and the program is good to use even though I don't really use it too much > <g> > Joan
Guest Shane Posted July 29, 2007 Posted July 29, 2007 Re: WinZip. "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote in message news:O3E6C0Q0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi Joan, > > My guess (and from my own earlier experience) is that most users of WinZip > probably started out in the pre-WinMe days and therefore (bought?) > installed WinZip (or other 3rd-party utility). When they upgraded to > WinMe, they either didn't realize there was a compression utility included > (possibly because it was 'disabled' by duhfault), didn't realize that it > opened (and compressed) 'real' zip files or - because it effectively used > a different GUI - were so used to WinZip, maybe they couldn't be bothered > with the WinMe version. > I don't get why you don't suppose it might have been the r-click context menu options, Mart. But then I don't get how you can fail to appreciate tabbed browsing, either. Unless - in both cases - you gave up before they were configured, just threw it in and said you can't be arsed, and never actually found out why these things are made? They're not in the snake oil category, if that's what you think. I sometimes wonder if you appreciate how insulting it is when you seem to suggest that they are. Or that I'm the sort who's easily mesmerised by things that glisten. Never mind all the others who use Winzip, Winrar, Infozip and the other open source ones I forget the names of, favoured by people I freely admit I'll never know as much as if I live to be 100. Oh, and PowerArchiver. Meanwhile you freely admit to rarely using archivers and after all, if you don't know that we use them because they involve less clicking/less typing, you obviously don't do a great deal of zipping/unzipping. While at the very least tabbed browsing requires shorter mouse movements - but you don't have multiple pages open at once, so you wouldn't know. OK, fine, your choice. But trying to make either look like the rest of us are transfixed with ephemera and only use this stuff because we haven't figured out the true meaning of life - presumable because you're afraid you'll appear less than 'a guru', and what? You won't get the coveted pseudo-BSc/PhD to put after your name? The moment I bring a potentially interesting point up you act like I'm trying to insinuate something. You must think that at any moment you'll be discovered for a fake. Why else would you always go on the defensive when it isn't called for and proffer offensive theories as to why we don't do what you do? Or if you think adding a <g> or a smiley fools anyone but a fool and allows you to be offensive and get away with it...well, not with me you don't, not indefinately. I'll tell you what, Mart. How about not supposing I'm so dull-witted you can imply you know better than me? I use things like Winzip or Winrar because they are more capable than Compressed Folders. And me and most of the rest of the world think tabbed browsing is superior, because it is, simple as that. If you want nothing to do with it, do, please yourself, but please do, stop, trying to paint the rest of us as kids in order to come over as wise. Get the idea I've had enough? I *will* be dealing with *he who talks at us all*, only the arguments are more complicated and I am still really put out down here. In fact I'm getting tired of that, too. Shane > However, being a 'tight-wad', £19.99 was a enough to make find out <g> > > Mart > > > "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:ORBe8cQ0HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>I never used the compression in WinME when I had it. >> I think I looked at WinZip but ended up getting PowerArchiver which I >> think for £19.99 bought the program and lifetime updates, and they work >> <g> >> I've had it several years now and it has gone through a couple of version >> upgrades that needed new install keys and I've got them with no problem, >> and the program is good to use even though I don't really use it too much >> <g> >> Joan > >
Guest Mart Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Re: WinZip. Shane wrote :- > I don't get why you don't suppose it might have been etc., .. Wow Shane! - When you flame, you certainly go full throttle. Sorry you feel that way. > Get the idea I've had enough? Loud and clear > I *will* be dealing with *he who talks at us all*, etc., .. Looking forward to reading it - fire extinguisher at the ready. Take it easy. Mart
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