Guest monteiro Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found 491 invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes stop midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer performance ,many thanks.
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found > 491 > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes > stop > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer > performance > ,many thanks. I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install all applications. Remember to save your important files and your EMail to an independent medium first.
Guest Newbie Coder Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Monteiro, Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! -- Newbie Coder (It's just a name) "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message news:O4j$cYC0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found > > 491 > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes > > stop > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer > > performance > > ,many thanks. > > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your > EMail to an independent medium first. > >
Guest John Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Newbie Coder wrote: > Monteiro, > > Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. Now please tell us why. John.
Guest R. McCarty Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Because they ( Registry Cleaners ) don't have the ability to make a absolute determination of what can be safely removed beyond things like MRU ( Most Recently Used ) lists and temporary workspace type entries. Load up 3 Registry Cleaners and let them scan your system but do not allow them to remove entries. You'll find that each will show you a different list of what they consider safe to remove. The Registry is a complex and highly interdependent association of Keys and values. It's very easy to break one of those associations. The result may not appear immediately but days or weeks after the cleaner is run. "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... > Newbie Coder wrote: >> Monteiro, >> >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! >> > > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. > > Now please tell us why. > > John.
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... > Newbie Coder wrote: >> Monteiro, >> >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! >> > > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. > > Now please tell us why. > > John. Registry cleaners are good at removing unneeded entries, which they report loudly as a measure of their "success". The fact is that these dormant entries take very little disk space and have no effect whatsoever on the performance of Windows. They are not good at removing "bad" entries. Doing so would require an intimate knowledge of the application that created them, which is an impossible task. If they attempt to undertake this task regardless then the result is often catastrophic. It is equivalent to a surgeon removing a part of your brain without knowing what its function is.
Guest monteiro Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner can i use the backup this cleaners "R. McCarty" wrote: > Because they ( Registry Cleaners ) don't have the ability to make a > absolute determination of what can be safely removed beyond things > like MRU ( Most Recently Used ) lists and temporary workspace > type entries. > > Load up 3 Registry Cleaners and let them scan your system but do > not allow them to remove entries. You'll find that each will show you > a different list of what they consider safe to remove. > > The Registry is a complex and highly interdependent association of > Keys and values. It's very easy to break one of those associations. The > result may not appear immediately but days or weeks after the cleaner > is run. > > "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message > news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... > > Newbie Coder wrote: > >> Monteiro, > >> > >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! > >> > > > > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. > > > > Now please tell us why. > > > > John. > > >
Guest John Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner OK, many thanks for all your help. John.
Guest R. McCarty Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Backing up the Registry is always a good idea, either as a stand alone Registry or better yet in a image of the Windows volume. For Imaging, I use and recommend Acronis True Image. ERuNT is one excellent tool for "Stand Alone" Registry Backup: http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:070705DC-5493-410C-997D-B19B857ADB56@microsoft.com... > can i use the backup this cleaners > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > >> Because they ( Registry Cleaners ) don't have the ability to make a >> absolute determination of what can be safely removed beyond things >> like MRU ( Most Recently Used ) lists and temporary workspace >> type entries. >> >> Load up 3 Registry Cleaners and let them scan your system but do >> not allow them to remove entries. You'll find that each will show you >> a different list of what they consider safe to remove. >> >> The Registry is a complex and highly interdependent association of >> Keys and values. It's very easy to break one of those associations. The >> result may not appear immediately but days or weeks after the cleaner >> is run. >> >> "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... >> > Newbie Coder wrote: >> >> Monteiro, >> >> >> >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! >> >> >> > >> > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. >> > >> > Now please tell us why. >> > >> > John. >> >> >>
Guest Curt Christianson Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner For some good reasons, read this thread: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... | Newbie Coder wrote: | > Monteiro, | > | > Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! | > | | OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. | | Now please tell us why. | | John.
Guest monteiro Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner so ther is a lot software is useless "R. McCarty" wrote: > Backing up the Registry is always a good idea, either as a stand > alone Registry or better yet in a image of the Windows volume. > For Imaging, I use and recommend Acronis True Image. > > ERuNT is one excellent tool for "Stand Alone" Registry Backup: > http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ > > "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:070705DC-5493-410C-997D-B19B857ADB56@microsoft.com... > > can i use the backup this cleaners > > > > "R. McCarty" wrote: > > > >> Because they ( Registry Cleaners ) don't have the ability to make a > >> absolute determination of what can be safely removed beyond things > >> like MRU ( Most Recently Used ) lists and temporary workspace > >> type entries. > >> > >> Load up 3 Registry Cleaners and let them scan your system but do > >> not allow them to remove entries. You'll find that each will show you > >> a different list of what they consider safe to remove. > >> > >> The Registry is a complex and highly interdependent association of > >> Keys and values. It's very easy to break one of those associations. The > >> result may not appear immediately but days or weeks after the cleaner > >> is run. > >> > >> "John" <John@zen.co.uk> wrote in message > >> news:46a9c80d$0$15212$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk... > >> > Newbie Coder wrote: > >> >> Monteiro, > >> >> > >> >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! > >> >> > >> > > >> > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. > >> > > >> > Now please tell us why. > >> > > >> > John. > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest Terry R. Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: registry cleaner On 7/27/2007 3:25 AM On a whim, John pounded out on the keyboard > Newbie Coder wrote: >> Monteiro, >> >> Never, never, never use a reg cleaner!! >> > > OK, so you've both stated 'not to use a reg cleaner'. > > Now please tell us why. > > John. John, It's not the registry cleaner that is at fault. It's always the user. People who install a reg cleaner, let it run in "auto mode" are asking for trouble. People who aren't real familiar with Windows and the registry shouldn't run a reg cleaner "just because", or "I want to increase the performance", or "someone recommended it". Saying that, I've used registry cleaners for years (the free JV16 Power Tools is my choice). I have it run a scan to show me what it finds. Then I select what I want removed. Before the program removes anything, it creates a backup of the keys to be modified. Being a consultant, I have resolved many issues for clients using a reg cleaner. I don't suggest they ever run them, but I don't have a problem doing so. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest elenbe Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted using the Add/Remove option?? "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found > > 491 > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes > > stop > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer > > performance > > ,many thanks. > > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your > EMail to an independent medium first. > > >
Guest elenbe Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Namely game trials that I try and then Delete using the Add/Remove Option. If the space that these registries is taking up is small I'm not worried but it does eventually add up. Is there a way to just delete registries from the things I've deleted??? elenbe "elenbe" wrote: > what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted using > the Add/Remove option?? > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > > > > > "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... > > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was > > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one > > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found > > > 491 > > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes > > > stop > > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer > > > performance > > > ,many thanks. > > > > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused > > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they > > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. > > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install > > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your > > EMail to an independent medium first. > > > > > >
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner elenbe wrote: > Namely game trials that I try and then Delete using the Add/Remove > Option. If the space that these registries is taking up is small I'm not > worried but it does eventually add up. Is there a way to just delete > registries from the things I've deleted??? > elenbe Yeah, there is. Get Crap Cleaner from http://www.ccleaner.com and use the Registry function. Be sure to also use the back up feature before removing registry entries. If you've installed and uninstalled a slew of programs. Crap Cleaner will find hundreds of entries that should be removed, regardless of what *anyone* says. Once you've done that, you will see a marked performance improvement. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of free disk space. Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference in speed before and after. "elenbe" <elenbe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2AFE2006-473F-413B-AC00-67AA94F1505C@microsoft.com... > what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted > using > the Add/Remove option?? > > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: > >> >> "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... >> > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner >> > was >> > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that >> > one >> > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we >> > found >> > 491 >> > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes >> > stop >> > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer >> > performance >> > ,many thanks. >> >> I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused >> by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they >> do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. >> In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install >> all applications. Remember to save your important files and your >> EMail to an independent medium first. >> >> >>
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Pegasus (MVP) wrote: > Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely > on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your > PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry > entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of > programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of > free disk space. True. > > Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by > removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference > in speed before and after. > False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install of XP and Office. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >> free disk space. > > True. > >> >> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >> in speed before and after. >> > > False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, > especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install of > XP and Office. > > -- > Alias > To email me, remove shoes Let's have some details: - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? - What was the improvement? - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent improvement on many different machines? Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results.
Guest Gerry Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Pegasus The speed up comes from using the disk cleanup component not the Scan for Issues function. The real crunch question is the risk assessment! Achieve a debatable infinitesimal performance boost for the prospect of one day having an unusable system at a most inopportune moment. If the computer is used for anything other than gaming the benefit is not worth the risk Just my take on the issues involved. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pegasus (MVP) wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message > news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>> free disk space. >> >> True. >> >>> >>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>> in speed before and after. >>> >> >> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean >> install of XP and Office. >> >> -- >> Alias >> To email me, remove shoes > > Let's have some details: > - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? > - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a > stopwatch? - What was the improvement? > - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent > improvement on many different machines? > > Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other > readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results.
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Pegasus (MVP) wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message > news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>> free disk space. >> True. >> >>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>> in speed before and after. >>> >> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install of >> XP and Office. >> >> -- >> Alias >> To email me, remove shoes > > Let's have some details: > - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? > - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? > - What was the improvement? > - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent improvement > on many different machines? > > Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other > readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results. > > > Stop watch. Dozens and dozens of machines. I just cleaned up a computer that took TEN MINUTES to boot up. Now it boots up in 46 seconds. Enough of a benchmark for you? I removed almost a THOUSAND errant registry entries. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Curt Christianson Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Discussion of Registry "Cleaners" http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "elenbe" <elenbe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2AFE2006-473F-413B-AC00-67AA94F1505C@microsoft.com... | what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted using | the Add/Remove option?? | | "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote: | | > | > "monteiro" <monteiro@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > news:5DC4B89D-83DE-4BEB-9522-1554556979EC@microsoft.com... | > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare scaner was | > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that one | > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we found | > > 491 | > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash , programes | > > stop | > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer | > > performance | > > ,many thanks. | > | > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused | > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they | > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine. | > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install | > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your | > EMail to an independent medium first. | > | > | >
Guest Pegasus \(MVP\) Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message news:fe03fq$kog$1@aioe.org... > Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>>> free disk space. >>> True. >>> >>>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>>> in speed before and after. >>>> >>> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >>> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install of >>> XP and Office. >>> >>> -- >>> Alias >>> To email me, remove shoes >> >> Let's have some details: >> - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? >> - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? >> - What was the improvement? >> - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent >> improvement >> on many different machines? >> >> Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other >> readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results. >> > > Stop watch. Dozens and dozens of machines. I just cleaned up a computer > that took TEN MINUTES to boot up. Now it boots up in 46 seconds. Enough of > a benchmark for you? I removed almost a THOUSAND errant registry entries. > > -- > Alias > To email me, remove shoes Unless you supply full details, we have to take your word for it since we cannot repeat your tests. It therefore becomes an issue of belief rather than scientific proof.
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Pegasus (MVP) wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message > news:fe03fq$kog$1@aioe.org... >> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>>>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>>>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>>>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>>>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>>>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>>>> free disk space. >>>> True. >>>> >>>>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>>>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>>>> in speed before and after. >>>>> >>>> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >>>> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install of >>>> XP and Office. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alias >>>> To email me, remove shoes >>> Let's have some details: >>> - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? >>> - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? >>> - What was the improvement? >>> - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent >>> improvement >>> on many different machines? >>> >>> Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other >>> readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results. >>> >> Stop watch. Dozens and dozens of machines. I just cleaned up a computer >> that took TEN MINUTES to boot up. Now it boots up in 46 seconds. Enough of >> a benchmark for you? I removed almost a THOUSAND errant registry entries. >> >> -- >> Alias >> To email me, remove shoes > > Unless you supply full details, we have to take your word for it > since we cannot repeat your tests. It therefore becomes an > issue of belief rather than scientific proof. > > You know it's impossible for me to provide you with all the registry entries I removed. The computer isn't mine but a client's who lives cross town. Whether you believe me or not isn't material to me. I know both registry fixers work so I use them on every machine I encounter and have been doing this for years with no problems. If that isn't good enough for you, well, so be it. I will, however, challenge your FUD regarding registry cleaners every chance I get. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Stephen Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message news:O4QtjhcBIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message > news:fe03fq$kog$1@aioe.org... >> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>>>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>>>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>>>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>>>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>>>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>>>> free disk space. >>>> True. >>>> >>>>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>>>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>>>> in speed before and after. >>>>> >>>> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >>>> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install >>>> of XP and Office. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alias >>>> To email me, remove shoes >>> >>> Let's have some details: >>> - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? >>> - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? >>> - What was the improvement? >>> - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent >>> improvement >>> on many different machines? >>> >>> Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other >>> readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results. >>> >> >> Stop watch. Dozens and dozens of machines. I just cleaned up a computer >> that took TEN MINUTES to boot up. Now it boots up in 46 seconds. Enough >> of a benchmark for you? I removed almost a THOUSAND errant registry >> entries. >> >> -- >> Alias >> To email me, remove shoes > > Unless you supply full details, we have to take your word for it > since we cannot repeat your tests. It therefore becomes an > issue of belief rather than scientific proof. > This is getting silly. You may well be correct in your assertion that registry cleaning is unnecessary. However, nobody could supply full details of such a test so that it could be repeated (in a 'scientific' fashion), as this would entail knowing exactly what state the computer was in before cleaning. We do not need to descend into a 'religion versus science' argument. I would rather ask "Alias" (on a non-confrontational basis) if he has any idea whether it is the number of errant entries that makes such a difference, or some particular entry or type of entry, or what. If we could make progress in narrowing down the source of the reported performance improvement, perhaps we could learn something useful. As one who doesn't know that much about registry entries, I just wonder if one could be trying to access a (now non-existent) mapped drive, or something similar, and so waiting for a timeout. If this kind of behaviour is possible, presumably removing this particular registry entry could have a significant effect on performance, especially boot-up time. I would welcome advice on this. Stephen
Guest Alias Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: registry cleaner Stephen wrote: > "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message > news:O4QtjhcBIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:fe03fq$kog$1@aioe.org... >>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:udaAJ2aBIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote: >>>>>> Unless you know exactly what you're doing, you should rely >>>>>> on the add/remove tool when removing programs from your >>>>>> PC. The amount of disk space used by left-over registry >>>>>> entries is so small that it would require tens of thousands of >>>>>> programs to make a noticeable difference on the amount of >>>>>> free disk space. >>>>> True. >>>>> >>>>>> Registry cleaners often claim to speed up your machine by >>>>>> removing such entries. The claim is false: There is no difference >>>>>> in speed before and after. >>>>>> >>>>> False. I see a marked improvement in performance and boot up time, >>>>> especially when using CCleaner and SystemSuite5 after a clean install >>>>> of XP and Office. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Alias >>>>> To email me, remove shoes >>>> Let's have some details: >>>> - What exactly did you measure, i.e. what was your benchmark test? >>>> - How did you measure it? Did it "feel" faster? Did you use a stopwatch? >>>> - What was the improvement? >>>> - Was this a once of test or were you able to see a consistent >>>> improvement >>>> on many different machines? >>>> >>>> Unless you supply full details it won't be possible for other >>>> readers to duplicate your tests and confirm your results. >>>> >>> Stop watch. Dozens and dozens of machines. I just cleaned up a computer >>> that took TEN MINUTES to boot up. Now it boots up in 46 seconds. Enough >>> of a benchmark for you? I removed almost a THOUSAND errant registry >>> entries. >>> >>> -- >>> Alias >>> To email me, remove shoes >> Unless you supply full details, we have to take your word for it >> since we cannot repeat your tests. It therefore becomes an >> issue of belief rather than scientific proof. >> > > This is getting silly. You may well be correct in your assertion that > registry cleaning is unnecessary. However, nobody could supply full details > of such a test so that it could be repeated (in a 'scientific' fashion), as > this would entail knowing exactly what state the computer was in before > cleaning. > > We do not need to descend into a 'religion versus science' argument. I would > rather ask "Alias" (on a non-confrontational basis) if he has any idea > whether it is the number of errant entries that makes such a difference, or > some particular entry or type of entry, or what. If we could make progress > in narrowing down the source of the reported performance improvement, > perhaps we could learn something useful. > > As one who doesn't know that much about registry entries, I just wonder if > one could be trying to access a (now non-existent) mapped drive, or > something similar, and so waiting for a timeout. If this kind of behaviour > is possible, presumably removing this particular registry entry could have a > significant effect on performance, especially boot-up time. I would welcome > advice on this. > > Stephen > > I don't know if it was a particular entry or combination of entries. I do know that it booted up much quicker after removing all those entries. Removing 50 viruses didn't improve the boot up time as much as removing the registry entries, though. Over 4000 fragmented files being defragmented helped boot up and performance as well but I did that last. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
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