Guest McDermotts Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no warning indicator. I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says the current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, also. Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD
Guest McDermotts Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? I may of made problem worse!!! I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, although advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, and upon startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child device present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, the yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to update drivers it always says the current is the best. I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. Thanks again, Todd McD "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. > > All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > > I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel > 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > > Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a > yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > > Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no warning > indicator. > > I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says the > current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, also. > > Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD > >
Guest glee Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on the menu that appears. This will bring up the System control panel. Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in MS-DOS Compatibility Mode? Follow this procedure, in order: Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left for "Remove NOIDE Flag" Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; right-click the NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the confirmation message. Restart the computer in Safe Mode: - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 Startup menu (boot menu) appears. OR - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot menu. - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove all instances of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master IDE controller listed. (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE Controllers....that's normal) Remove all items in the "Other" category. If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the following categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and secondary controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any other present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be detected also, then reboot. Post back with your results. Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I may of made problem worse!!! > > > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, although > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, and upon > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child device > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, the > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to update > drivers it always says the current is the best. > > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. > > Thanks again, Todd McD > > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no warning >> indicator. >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says the >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, also. >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD >> >> > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:12:38 -0400, "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. > >All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > >I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel >82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > >Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a >yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > >Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no warning >indicator. > >I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says the >current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, also. > >Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD Could this be the sort of issue that is addressed by Intel's INF Update Utility? FWIW, here is version 3.20.1008, dated 5/6/2002. It "installs INF files that inform the OS how to properly configure the Intel® 400 Series Chipsets for specific functionality such as USB and AGP". http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID=4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng http://tinyurl.com/3a7azm - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest McDermotts Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the secordary, but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists that the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. Thanks again, Todd McD "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on the menu that > appears. This will bring up the System control panel. > > Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in MS-DOS > Compatibility Mode? > > Follow this procedure, in order: > > Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left for "Remove > NOIDE Flag" > > Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file > http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip > > Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; right-click the > NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the confirmation > message. > > > Restart the computer in Safe Mode: > - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 Startup menu > (boot menu) appears. > OR > - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot menu. > - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. > > Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove all instances > of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master IDE controller > listed. > (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE Controllers....that's > normal) > > Remove all items in the "Other" category. > > If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the following > categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: > Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. > > Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. > > Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and secondary > controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any other > present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be detected also, then > reboot. > > Post back with your results. > > > Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: > http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 > > Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: > http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 > > Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager > http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >I may of made problem worse!!! > > > > > > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE > > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, although > > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, and upon > > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child device > > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with > > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, the > > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to update > > drivers it always says the current is the best. > > > > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. > > > > Thanks again, Todd McD > > > > > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. > >> > >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > >> > >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel > >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > >> > >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a > >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > >> > >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no warning > >> indicator. > >> > >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says the > >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, also. > >> > >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD > >> > >> > > > > >
Guest glee Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the Performance tab of the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager and click the Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and post back with that info. Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first few lines for any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with either Notepad or Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply here. Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, using the "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most anti-virus apps. Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by Franc in his reply: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID=4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and run the Intel update. Reboot when prompted. If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your computer case and see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and slave, or if they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard controller connectors. In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect the power connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the only thing connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the IDE data ribbon cable to the hard drive. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the secordary, > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists that > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. > > Thanks again, Todd McD > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on the > menu that >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in MS-DOS >> Compatibility Mode? >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left for > "Remove >> NOIDE Flag" >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; > right-click the >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the > confirmation >> message. >> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 > Startup menu >> (boot menu) appears. >> OR >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot > menu. >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove all > instances >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master IDE > controller >> listed. >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE > Controllers....that's >> normal) >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the > following >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and secondary >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any > other >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be detected > also, then >> reboot. >> >> Post back with your results. >> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 >> >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >I may of made problem worse!!! >> > >> > >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, although >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, and > upon >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child device >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, the >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to > update >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. >> > >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. >> > >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> > >> > >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. >> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. >> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no > warning >> >> indicator. >> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says > the >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, > also. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
Guest McDermotts Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the Performance tab of > the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? It says: Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore function from the old computer.) > > Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager and click the > Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and post back with > that info. C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) > > Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first few lines for > any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find it! > > Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with either Notepad or > Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply here. C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM del c:\windows\*.tmp del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp Set tvdumpflags=10 > > Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, using the > "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most anti-virus apps. > Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. No viruses found > > Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by Franc in his > reply: > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng > > Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and run the > Intel update. > Reboot when prompted. Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software for it, but problem still there. > > If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your computer case and > see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and slave, or if > they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard controller connectors. > > In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect the power > connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the only thing > connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power cords to it, no change. > > Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the IDE data > ribbon cable to the hard drive. Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs me to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve performance, I want to do it. Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the secordary, > > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists that > > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. > > > > Thanks again, Todd McD > > > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on the > > menu that > >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. > >> > >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in MS-DOS > >> Compatibility Mode? > >> > >> Follow this procedure, in order: > >> > >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left for > > "Remove > >> NOIDE Flag" > >> > >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file > >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip > >> > >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; > > right-click the > >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the > > confirmation > >> message. > >> > >> > >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: > >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 > > Startup menu > >> (boot menu) appears. > >> OR > >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot > > menu. > >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. > >> > >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove all > > instances > >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master IDE > > controller > >> listed. > >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE > > Controllers....that's > >> normal) > >> > >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. > >> > >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the > > following > >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: > >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. > >> > >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. > >> > >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and secondary > >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any > > other > >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be detected > > also, then > >> reboot. > >> > >> Post back with your results. > >> > >> > >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: > >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 > >> > >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: > >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 > >> > >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager > >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 > >> > >> -- > >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > >> http://dts-l.org/ > >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > >> > >> > >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >I may of made problem worse!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE > >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, although > >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, and > > upon > >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child device > >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with > >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, the > >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to > > update > >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. > >> > > >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. > >> > > >> > Thanks again, Todd McD > >> > > >> > > >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. > >> >> > >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > >> >> > >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel > >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > >> >> > >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there is a > >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > >> >> > >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no > > warning > >> >> indicator. > >> >> > >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It says > > the > >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, > > also. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
Guest glee Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? replies inline..... "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the > Performance tab of >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? > > It says: > > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore > function from the old computer.) Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information: "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of that drive and is called System_sav" How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer? Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive from the old computer? Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug. Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that came from the old computer. If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from Master to Single, unless you are using Cable Select. Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the still-installed hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup. Let Windows start, and see if there is any change. >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager and > click the >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and post > back with >> that info. > > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver File Details, shows that? >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first few > lines for >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. > > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find it! Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable "Show All Files" and click OK. Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for Ios.log See also: Description of the Ios.log File http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899 >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with either > Notepad or >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply > here. > > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE > > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM > > del c:\windows\*.tmp > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp > > Set tvdumpflags=10 OK, nothing involved with this, there. >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, using > the >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most anti-virus > apps. >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. > > > > No viruses found OK. >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by Franc > in his >> reply: >> > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and > run the >> Intel update. >> Reboot when prompted. > > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software for > it, but problem still there. > OK. >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your > computer case and >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and > slave, or if >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard controller > connectors. >> >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect the > power >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the only > thing >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) > > > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power > cords to it, no change. > > >> >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the IDE > data >> ribbon cable to the hard drive. > > > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. OK. > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs me > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve > performance, I want to do it. DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-) > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD OK. >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the > secordary, >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists > that >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. >> > >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> > >> > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on > the >> > menu that >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. >> >> >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in > MS-DOS >> >> Compatibility Mode? >> >> >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: >> >> >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left > for >> > "Remove >> >> NOIDE Flag" >> >> >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip >> >> >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; >> > right-click the >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the >> > confirmation >> >> message. >> >> >> >> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 >> > Startup menu >> >> (boot menu) appears. >> >> OR >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot >> > menu. >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. >> >> >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove > all >> > instances >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master > IDE >> > controller >> >> listed. >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE >> > Controllers....that's >> >> normal) >> >> >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. >> >> >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the >> > following >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. >> >> >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. >> >> >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and > secondary >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any >> > other >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be > detected >> > also, then >> >> reboot. >> >> >> >> Post back with your results. >> >> >> >> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 >> >> >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 >> >> >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> >> http://dts-l.org/ >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, > although >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, > and >> > upon >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child > device >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, > the >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to >> > update >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. >> >> > >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. >> >> >> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. >> >> >> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there > is a >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no >> > warning >> >> >> indicator. >> >> >> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It > says >> > the >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, >> > also. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD >> >> >> -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
Guest McDermotts Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Did as instructed, unplugged second hard drive and now all seems OK!!! No yellow exclamation indicator, and it says "Your system is configured for optimum performance" under the performance tab. When I added the second hard drive I changed to jumper settings as directed. original drive as master w/slave, and the second one as slave. I just restarted computer and the second drive was recognized and I was able to access it. Should I of done something in the BIOS settings then? The second hard drive was out of my old computer that the motherboard failed on. I was able to access all the info on it aftyer putting in this machine, so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. It mainly has a lot of pictures, data, etc. that I didn't want to lose, and would like to be able to use it on this system.. I don't know if this is a factor or not, but the original hard drive is only 2 GB, the second is 40 GB Thanks, Todd McD "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:en48KBy0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > replies inline..... > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the > > Performance tab of > >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? > > > > It says: > > > > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance > > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > > > > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of > > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore > > function from the old computer.) > > > Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information: > "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of > that drive and is called System_sav" > > How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer? > Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive from the old > computer? > > Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug. > Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that came from the > old computer. > If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from Master to > Single, unless you are using Cable Select. > Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the still-installed > hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup. > > Let Windows start, and see if there is any change. > > > >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager and > > click the > >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and post > > back with > >> that info. > > > > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) > > > Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver File Details, > shows that? > > > >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first few > > lines for > >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. > > > > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find it! > > > Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable "Show All > Files" and click OK. > Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for Ios.log > > See also: > Description of the Ios.log File > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899 > > > >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with either > > Notepad or > >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply > > here. > > > > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS > > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE > > > > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE > > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 > > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS > > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM > > > > del c:\windows\*.tmp > > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp > > > > Set tvdumpflags=10 > > > OK, nothing involved with this, there. > > > >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, using > > the > >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most anti-virus > > apps. > >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. > > > > > > > > No viruses found > > OK. > > > >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by Franc > > in his > >> reply: > >> > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID > > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng > >> > >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and > > run the > >> Intel update. > >> Reboot when prompted. > > > > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software for > > it, but problem still there. > > > > OK. > > >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your > > computer case and > >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and > > slave, or if > >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard controller > > connectors. > >> > >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect the > > power > >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the only > > thing > >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) > > > > > > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD > > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power > > cords to it, no change. > > > > > >> > >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the IDE > > data > >> ribbon cable to the hard drive. > > > > > > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old > > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. > > OK. > > > > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs me > > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve > > performance, I want to do it. > > > DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-) > > > > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD > > > OK. > > > >> > >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the > > secordary, > >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists > > that > >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. > >> > > >> > Thanks again, Todd McD > >> > > >> > > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on > > the > >> > menu that > >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. > >> >> > >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in > > MS-DOS > >> >> Compatibility Mode? > >> >> > >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: > >> >> > >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the left > > for > >> > "Remove > >> >> NOIDE Flag" > >> >> > >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file > >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip > >> >> > >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; > >> > right-click the > >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to the > >> > confirmation > >> >> message. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: > >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 > >> > Startup menu > >> >> (boot menu) appears. > >> >> OR > >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the boot > >> > menu. > >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. > >> >> > >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, remove > > all > >> > instances > >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other Master > > IDE > >> > controller > >> >> listed. > >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE > >> > Controllers....that's > >> >> normal) > >> >> > >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. > >> >> > >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the > >> > following > >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: > >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. > >> >> > >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the items. > >> >> > >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and > > secondary > >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If any > >> > other > >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be > > detected > >> > also, then > >> >> reboot. > >> >> > >> >> Post back with your results. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: > >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 > >> >> > >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: > >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 > >> >> > >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager > >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > >> >> http://dts-l.org/ > >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!! > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE > >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, > > although > >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, > > and > >> > upon > >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child > > device > >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate with > >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, > > the > >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try to > >> > update > >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. > >> >> > > >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one broke. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists "Intel > >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and there > > is a > >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no > >> > warning > >> >> >> indicator. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It > > says > >> > the > >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht back, > >> > also. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD > >> >> >> > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > >
Guest glee Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Replied inline..... "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:ePyJtP80HHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Did as instructed, unplugged second hard drive and now all seems OK!!! No > yellow exclamation indicator, and it says "Your system is configured for > optimum performance" under the performance tab. Good! > When I added the second hard drive I changed to jumper settings as directed. > original drive as master w/slave, and the second one as slave. > > I just restarted computer and the second drive was recognized and I was able > to access it. Should I of done something in the BIOS settings then? Your BIOS setup probably has the hard disk controllers all set to Auto, so they will detect any changes upon startup. I generally enter BIOS setup whenever adding or removing a drive, or RAM for that matter, even though it usually isn't needed on newer systems. Old habits die hard. Once upon a time, it was necessary to manually redetect things....not so much now, but I still like to look and make sure everything was detected properly. > > The second hard drive was out of my old computer that the motherboard failed > on. I was able to access all the info on it aftyer putting in this machine, > so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. It mainly has a lot > of pictures, data, etc. that I didn't want to lose, and would like to be > able to use it on this system.. > > I don't know if this is a factor or not, but the original hard drive is only > 2 GB, the second is 40 GB There is more than one possibility, and I am no expert on hard disk geometry and translation, but the hard drive, when in the older system may have been set up differently than your current BIOS set it up, using different translation. Do you know if the BIOS in your current system detected the hard drive with the same settings as in your old system....cylinders, heads, and so forth? And using LBA on both the old and the new systems? Your old system could've used a third-party software utility to perform geometry translation, something like OnTrack Disk Manager, or EZ-Drive. I don't know if that would result in the issue you see. Since you have apparently already copied off all the data you wanted from the old drive, you could try plugging it back in (be prepared to see all your problems return) and wiping it out....not just formatting, but partitioning the drive with FDISK or another third-party tool, to remove all existing partitions on the old drive, and then set it up as FAT32 partition (say yes to Large Disk Support when FDISK starts) utilising the entire drive. If you have another computer available that works, you could install the drive on it for performing these procedures, without having to mess your current system again. FWIW, I wouldn't waste my time with an old 2GB drive unless I needed it for an older computer. Chances are, a drive of that era is not going to last a lot longer, and I wouldn't trust it to store My Data. Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:en48KBy0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> replies inline..... >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the >> > Performance tab of >> >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? >> > >> > It says: >> > >> > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance >> > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> > >> > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of >> > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore >> > function from the old computer.) >> >> >> Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information: >> "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of >> that drive and is called System_sav" >> >> How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer? >> Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive > from the old >> computer? >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug. >> Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that > came from the >> old computer. >> If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from > Master to >> Single, unless you are using Cable Select. >> Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the > still-installed >> hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup. >> >> Let Windows start, and see if there is any change. >> >> >> >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager > and >> > click the >> >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and > post >> > back with >> >> that info. >> > >> > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) >> >> >> Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver File > Details, >> shows that? >> >> >> >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first > few >> > lines for >> >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. >> > >> > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find > it! >> >> >> Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable "Show > All >> Files" and click OK. >> Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for > Ios.log >> >> See also: >> Description of the Ios.log File >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899 >> >> >> >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with > either >> > Notepad or >> >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply >> > here. >> > >> > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS >> > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE >> > >> > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE >> > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 >> > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS >> > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM >> > >> > del c:\windows\*.tmp >> > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp >> > >> > Set tvdumpflags=10 >> >> >> OK, nothing involved with this, there. >> >> >> >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, > using >> > the >> >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most > anti-virus >> > apps. >> >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. >> > >> > >> > >> > No viruses found >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by > Franc >> > in his >> >> reply: >> >> >> > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID >> > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng >> >> >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and >> > run the >> >> Intel update. >> >> Reboot when prompted. >> > >> > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software > for >> > it, but problem still there. >> > >> >> OK. >> >> >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your >> > computer case and >> >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and >> > slave, or if >> >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard > controller >> > connectors. >> >> >> >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect > the >> > power >> >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the > only >> > thing >> >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) >> > >> > >> > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD >> > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power >> > cords to it, no change. >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the > IDE >> > data >> >> ribbon cable to the hard drive. >> > >> > >> > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old >> > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. >> >> OK. >> >> >> > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs > me >> > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve >> > performance, I want to do it. >> >> >> DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-) >> >> >> > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the >> > secordary, >> >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists >> > that >> >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on >> > the >> >> > menu that >> >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. >> >> >> >> >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in >> > MS-DOS >> >> >> Compatibility Mode? >> >> >> >> >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: >> >> >> >> >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the > left >> > for >> >> > "Remove >> >> >> NOIDE Flag" >> >> >> >> >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file >> >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip >> >> >> >> >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; >> >> > right-click the >> >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to > the >> >> > confirmation >> >> >> message. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: >> >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 >> >> > Startup menu >> >> >> (boot menu) appears. >> >> >> OR >> >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the > boot >> >> > menu. >> >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. >> >> >> >> >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, > remove >> > all >> >> > instances >> >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other > Master >> > IDE >> >> > controller >> >> >> listed. >> >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE >> >> > Controllers....that's >> >> >> normal) >> >> >> >> >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. >> >> >> >> >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the >> >> > following >> >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: >> >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. >> >> >> >> >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the > items. >> >> >> >> >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and >> > secondary >> >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If > any >> >> > other >> >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be >> > detected >> >> > also, then >> >> >> reboot. >> >> >> >> >> >> Post back with your results. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 >> >> >> >> >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/ >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE >> >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, >> > although >> >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, >> > and >> >> > upon >> >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child >> > device >> >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate > with >> >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, >> > the >> >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try > to >> >> > update >> >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one > broke. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists > "Intel >> >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and > there >> > is a >> >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no >> >> > warning >> >> >> >> indicator. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It >> > says >> >> > the >> >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht > back, >> >> > also. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> > >
Guest McDermotts Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? OK, thanks again for all the info/support. Somebody told me there's now a product on the market that allows you to access info off of a hard drive w/out installing internally. I haven't researched yet, but apparently you just pop the drive into this device, and it attaches via a usb cable to any machine and that's it. Since the drive on this machine I'm using is so small (2 GB), I don't have enough space to copy all the data from the other drive, so maybe this will be the way to go. At least now I've copied all the info I need (address book, favorites, etc) to the current machine. Not sure how much is psychological, but it does seems to be performing much better now. If I decide to TRY and hook up the old drive again, what should I do differently, just go into BIOS and "autoselect"? What is LBA (see below reply)? Thanks yet again, Todd McD "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:eWQMU1#0HHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Replied inline..... > > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:ePyJtP80HHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > Did as instructed, unplugged second hard drive and now all seems OK!!! No > > yellow exclamation indicator, and it says "Your system is configured for > > optimum performance" under the performance tab. > > Good! > > > When I added the second hard drive I changed to jumper settings as directed. > > original drive as master w/slave, and the second one as slave. > > > > I just restarted computer and the second drive was recognized and I was able > > to access it. Should I of done something in the BIOS settings then? > > Your BIOS setup probably has the hard disk controllers all set to Auto, so they will > detect any changes upon startup. I generally enter BIOS setup whenever adding or > removing a drive, or RAM for that matter, even though it usually isn't needed on > newer systems. Old habits die hard. Once upon a time, it was necessary to manually > redetect things....not so much now, but I still like to look and make sure > everything was detected properly. > > > > > The second hard drive was out of my old computer that the motherboard failed > > on. I was able to access all the info on it aftyer putting in this machine, > > so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. It mainly has a lot > > of pictures, data, etc. that I didn't want to lose, and would like to be > > able to use it on this system.. > > > > I don't know if this is a factor or not, but the original hard drive is only > > 2 GB, the second is 40 GB > > There is more than one possibility, and I am no expert on hard disk geometry and > translation, but the hard drive, when in the older system may have been set up > differently than your current BIOS set it up, using different translation. Do you > know if the BIOS in your current system detected the hard drive with the same > settings as in your old system....cylinders, heads, and so forth? And using LBA on > both the old and the new systems? > > Your old system could've used a third-party software utility to perform geometry > translation, something like OnTrack Disk Manager, or EZ-Drive. I don't know if that > would result in the issue you see. > > Since you have apparently already copied off all the data you wanted from the old > drive, you could try plugging it back in (be prepared to see all your problems > return) and wiping it out....not just formatting, but partitioning the drive with > FDISK or another third-party tool, to remove all existing partitions on the old > drive, and then set it up as FAT32 partition (say yes to Large Disk Support when > FDISK starts) utilising the entire drive. > > If you have another computer available that works, you could install the drive on it > for performing these procedures, without having to mess your current system again. > > FWIW, I wouldn't waste my time with an old 2GB drive unless I needed it for an older > computer. Chances are, a drive of that era is not going to last a lot longer, and I > wouldn't trust it to store My Data. > > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > > > > > > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:en48KBy0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> replies inline..... > >> > >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> > > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > >> > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the > >> > Performance tab of > >> >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there anywhere? > >> > > >> > It says: > >> > > >> > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance > >> > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > >> > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > >> > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system > >> > > >> > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of > >> > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of restore > >> > function from the old computer.) > >> > >> > >> Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information: > >> "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part of > >> that drive and is called System_sav" > >> > >> How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer? > >> Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive > > from the old > >> computer? > >> > >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug. > >> Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that > > came from the > >> old computer. > >> If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from > > Master to > >> Single, unless you are using Cable Select. > >> Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the > > still-installed > >> hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup. > >> > >> Let Windows start, and see if there is any change. > >> > >> > >> >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device Manager > > and > >> > click the > >> >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, and > > post > >> > back with > >> >> that info. > >> > > >> > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) > >> > >> > >> Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver File > > Details, > >> shows that? > >> > >> > >> >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first > > few > >> > lines for > >> >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. > >> > > >> > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or find > > it! > >> > >> > >> Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable "Show > > All > >> Files" and click OK. > >> Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for > > Ios.log > >> > >> See also: > >> Description of the Ios.log File > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899 > >> > >> > >> >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with > > either > >> > Notepad or > >> >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a reply > >> > here. > >> > > >> > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS > >> > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE > >> > > >> > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE > >> > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 > >> > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS > >> > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM > >> > > >> > del c:\windows\*.tmp > >> > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp > >> > > >> > Set tvdumpflags=10 > >> > >> > >> OK, nothing involved with this, there. > >> > >> > >> >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, > > using > >> > the > >> >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most > > anti-virus > >> > apps. > >> >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > No viruses found > >> > >> OK. > >> > >> > >> >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by > > Franc > >> > in his > >> >> reply: > >> >> > >> > > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID > >> > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng > >> >> > >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install and > >> > run the > >> >> Intel update. > >> >> Reboot when prompted. > >> > > >> > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed software > > for > >> > it, but problem still there. > >> > > >> > >> OK. > >> > >> >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your > >> > computer case and > >> >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master and > >> > slave, or if > >> >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard > > controller > >> > connectors. > >> >> > >> >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and disconnect > > the > >> > power > >> >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the > > only > >> > thing > >> >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) > >> > > >> > > >> > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The CD/DVD > >> > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and power > >> > cords to it, no change. > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing the > > IDE > >> > data > >> >> ribbon cable to the hard drive. > >> > > >> > > >> > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old > >> > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. > >> > >> OK. > >> > >> > >> > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it bugs > > me > >> > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve > >> > performance, I want to do it. > >> > >> > >> DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-) > >> > >> > >> > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD > >> > >> > >> OK. > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the > >> > secordary, > >> >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still lists > >> > that > >> >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > >> >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties on > >> > the > >> >> > menu that > >> >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives in > >> > MS-DOS > >> >> >> Compatibility Mode? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the > > left > >> > for > >> >> > "Remove > >> >> >> NOIDE Flag" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file > >> >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; > >> >> > right-click the > >> >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK to > > the > >> >> > confirmation > >> >> >> message. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: > >> >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows 98 > >> >> > Startup menu > >> >> >> (boot menu) appears. > >> >> >> OR > >> >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up the > > boot > >> >> > menu. > >> >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, > > remove > >> > all > >> >> > instances > >> >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other > > Master > >> > IDE > >> >> > controller > >> >> >> listed. > >> >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE > >> >> > Controllers....that's > >> >> >> normal) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in the > >> >> > following > >> >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: > >> >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk drives. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the > > items. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and > >> > secondary > >> >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. If > > any > >> >> > other > >> >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be > >> > detected > >> >> > also, then > >> >> >> reboot. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Post back with your results. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: > >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: > >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager > >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/ > >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary IDE > >> >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, > >> > although > >> >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver found, > >> > and > >> >> > upon > >> >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of child > >> > device > >> >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate > > with > >> >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since then, > >> > the > >> >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I try > > to > >> >> > update > >> >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or operation. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one > > broke. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists > > "Intel > >> >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and > > there > >> > is a > >> >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and no > >> >> > warning > >> >> >> >> indicator. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. It > >> > says > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht > > back, > >> >> > also. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD > >> >> >> >> > >> > >> -- > >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > >> http://dts-l.org/ > >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > >> > >> > > > > >
Guest glee Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? USB 2.0 external hard drive enclosures: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?cat=2779&keywords=usb%202.0%20hard%20drive%20enclosure&mnf= and http://www.usbgear.com/USB-SERIAL-ADAPTER-USB-Enlosures.html There's also this: NewerTech® USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php Newer Technology: Where to Buy - U.S. Resellers http://www.newertech.com/us_resellers.php LBA -Logical block addressing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:u8rGNLC1HHA.5644@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > OK, thanks again for all the info/support. > Somebody told me there's now a product on the market that allows you to > access info off of a hard drive w/out installing internally. I haven't > researched yet, but apparently you just pop the drive into this device, and > it attaches via a usb cable to any machine and that's it. > Since the drive on this machine I'm using is so small (2 GB), I don't have > enough space to copy all the data from the other drive, so maybe this will > be the way to go. At least now I've copied all the info I need (address > book, favorites, etc) to the current machine. > Not sure how much is psychological, but it does seems to be performing much > better now. > > If I decide to TRY and hook up the old drive again, what should I do > differently, just go into BIOS and "autoselect"? > > What is LBA (see below reply)? > > Thanks yet again, Todd McD > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:eWQMU1#0HHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Replied inline..... >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:ePyJtP80HHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > Did as instructed, unplugged second hard drive and now all seems OK!!! > No >> > yellow exclamation indicator, and it says "Your system is configured for >> > optimum performance" under the performance tab. >> >> Good! >> >> > When I added the second hard drive I changed to jumper settings as > directed. >> > original drive as master w/slave, and the second one as slave. >> > >> > I just restarted computer and the second drive was recognized and I was > able >> > to access it. Should I of done something in the BIOS settings then? >> >> Your BIOS setup probably has the hard disk controllers all set to Auto, so > they will >> detect any changes upon startup. I generally enter BIOS setup whenever > adding or >> removing a drive, or RAM for that matter, even though it usually isn't > needed on >> newer systems. Old habits die hard. Once upon a time, it was necessary > to manually >> redetect things....not so much now, but I still like to look and make sure >> everything was detected properly. >> >> > >> > The second hard drive was out of my old computer that the motherboard > failed >> > on. I was able to access all the info on it aftyer putting in this > machine, >> > so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. It mainly has a > lot >> > of pictures, data, etc. that I didn't want to lose, and would like to be >> > able to use it on this system.. >> > >> > I don't know if this is a factor or not, but the original hard drive is > only >> > 2 GB, the second is 40 GB >> >> There is more than one possibility, and I am no expert on hard disk > geometry and >> translation, but the hard drive, when in the older system may have been > set up >> differently than your current BIOS set it up, using different translation. > Do you >> know if the BIOS in your current system detected the hard drive with the > same >> settings as in your old system....cylinders, heads, and so forth? And > using LBA on >> both the old and the new systems? >> >> Your old system could've used a third-party software utility to perform > geometry >> translation, something like OnTrack Disk Manager, or EZ-Drive. I don't > know if that >> would result in the issue you see. >> >> Since you have apparently already copied off all the data you wanted from > the old >> drive, you could try plugging it back in (be prepared to see all your > problems >> return) and wiping it out....not just formatting, but partitioning the > drive with >> FDISK or another third-party tool, to remove all existing partitions on > the old >> drive, and then set it up as FAT32 partition (say yes to Large Disk > Support when >> FDISK starts) utilising the entire drive. >> >> If you have another computer available that works, you could install the > drive on it >> for performing these procedures, without having to mess your current > system again. >> >> FWIW, I wouldn't waste my time with an old 2GB drive unless I needed it > for an older >> computer. Chances are, a drive of that era is not going to last a lot > longer, and I >> wouldn't trust it to store My Data. >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> > news:en48KBy0HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> replies inline..... >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> news:eUULyCx0HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> > >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:#gLgx6p0HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> >> Which drives are reported as being in Compatibility Mode, on the >> >> > Performance tab of >> >> >> the System control panel? Is a driver name mentioned there > anywhere? >> >> > >> >> > It says: >> >> > >> >> > Compatibility-mode paging reduces overall system performance >> >> > Drive C is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> >> > Drive D is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> >> > Drive E is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system >> >> > >> >> > (drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part > of >> >> > that drive and is called System_sav, I think it's some sort of > restore >> >> > function from the old computer.) >> >> >> >> >> >> Ah, you've added some possibly crucial new information: >> >> "drive D is the hard drive from my old computer, E is physically part > of >> >> that drive and is called System_sav" >> >> >> >> How long has this physical drive been installed in this computer? >> >> Did you have the error in Device Manager before you added the old drive >> > from the old >> >> computer? >> >> >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, then shut down and unplug. >> >> Disconnect the data cable and power connector from the hard drive that >> > came from the >> >> old computer. >> >> If the remaining hard drive is a Western Digital, reset the jumper from >> > Master to >> >> Single, unless you are using Cable Select. >> >> Plug in and start the computer, enter BIOS setup to redetect the >> > still-installed >> >> hard drive without the second drive, save and exit BIOS setup. >> >> >> >> Let Windows start, and see if there is any change. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, click Properties for the Hard disk controller in Device > Manager >> > and >> >> > click the >> >> >> Driver tab to see which files are associated with the controller, > and >> > post >> >> > back with >> >> >> that info. >> >> > >> >> > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.VXD (CONFIGMG.vxd) >> >> >> >> >> >> Device Manager> <listed IDE controller>> Properties> Driver> Driver > File >> > Details, >> >> shows that? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Open the C:\Windows\ios.log file with Notepad, and look at the first >> > few >> >> > lines for >> >> >> any info re: why the protected-mode driver did not load. >> >> > >> >> > This file does not exist, or I cannot figure out how to look at or > find >> > it! >> >> >> >> >> >> Click Start> Settings> Folder Options> View tab, and click to enable > "Show >> > All >> >> Files" and click OK. >> >> Click Start> Find> File or Folders, select the C: drive, and search for >> > Ios.log >> >> >> >> See also: >> >> Description of the Ios.log File >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/138899 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also, please open the C:\config.sys and C:\autoexec.bat files with >> > either >> >> > Notepad or >> >> >> Sysedit, highlight and copy the contents of each, and paste in a > reply >> >> > here. >> >> > >> >> > C:\config.sys: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS >> >> > DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE >> >> > >> >> > C:\autoexec.bat: C:\PROGRA~1\GRISOFT\AVG7\BOOTUP.EXE >> >> > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6 >> >> > SET CTSYN=C:\WINDOWS >> >> > C:\PROGRA~1\CREATIVE\SBLIVE\DOSDRV\SBEINIT.COM >> >> > >> >> > del c:\windows\*.tmp >> >> > del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp >> >> > >> >> > Set tvdumpflags=10 >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, nothing involved with this, there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Run a full virus scan, preferably from a bootable floppy disc or CD, >> > using >> >> > the >> >> >> "rescue disk" (or similarly named disk) you can make from most >> > anti-virus >> >> > apps. >> >> >> Remove any viruses if found, and report back with their name. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No viruses found >> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Download the Intel Chipset Software Installation Utility linked by >> > Franc >> >> > in his >> >> >> reply: >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=816&DwnldID >> >> > =4241&strOSs=18&OSFullName=Windows*%2098%20SE&lang=eng >> >> >> >> >> >> Merge the NOIDE registry file again, but before you reboot, install > and >> >> > run the >> >> >> Intel update. >> >> >> Reboot when prompted. >> >> > >> >> > Did that, and it "found a bunch of new hardware and installed > software >> > for >> >> > it, but problem still there. >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> >> If that does not help, turn off and unplug the computer, open your >> >> > computer case and >> >> >> see if the hard drive and CD drive are on the same cable as master > and >> >> > slave, or if >> >> >> they are on separate cables connected to separate motherboard >> > controller >> >> > connectors. >> >> >> >> >> >> In either case, disconnect the CD drive from the cable and > disconnect >> > the >> >> > power >> >> >> connection to the CD drive also. The hard drive should then be the >> > only >> >> > thing >> >> >> connected. (Do you have more than one hard drive installed?) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > There is the second hard drive, as noted above, set as slave. The > CD/DVD >> >> > player was on a seperate cable, still tried unplugging ribbon and > power >> >> > cords to it, no change. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Plug in and start up....if the problem still exists, try replacing > the >> > IDE >> >> > data >> >> >> ribbon cable to the hard drive. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Tried another ribbon cable to the hard drives (the one out of the old >> >> > computer, which I'm pretty sure is good), problem still there. >> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Overall performance and operation of machine is acceptable, but it > bugs >> > me >> >> > to see that yellow warning, and of course if there's a way to improve >> >> > performance, I want to do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> DOS Compatibility Mode is a bit too sluggish for my tastes. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks yet again for all the help, Todd McD >> >> >> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:u0k0xbp0HHA.6072@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >> > Did all as instructed, now the yellow warning is gone from the >> >> > secordary, >> >> >> > but still shows up on the primary. Under performance, it still > lists >> >> > that >> >> >> > the hard drives are running under MS-DOS Compatability mode. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:uVf7IHm0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> Right-click the My Computer icon on the Desktop, click Properties > on >> >> > the >> >> >> > menu that >> >> >> >> appears. This will bring up the System control panel. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Click the Performance tab. Does it state that there are drives > in >> >> > MS-DOS >> >> >> >> Compatibility Mode? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Follow this procedure, in order: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Go to http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.htm and click the link on the >> > left >> >> > for >> >> >> > "Remove >> >> >> >> NOIDE Flag" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Direct download of the .reg file, in a .zip file >> >> >> >> http://aumha.org/downloads/noide.zip >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Download the file, then extract the .reg file to your Desktop; >> >> >> > right-click the >> >> >> >> NOIDE.REG file and click Merge on the menu that appears, and OK > to >> > the >> >> >> > confirmation >> >> >> >> message. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Restart the computer in Safe Mode: >> >> >> >> - Start the computer and hold down the CTRL key till the Windows > 98 >> >> >> > Startup menu >> >> >> >> (boot menu) appears. >> >> >> >> OR >> >> >> >> - Repeatedly tap the F8 key after the memory count to bring up > the >> > boot >> >> >> > menu. >> >> >> >> - Use the arrow keys to select "Safe Mode" and press Enter. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Open Device Manager, expand the Hard Disk Controllers category, >> > remove >> >> > all >> >> >> > instances >> >> >> >> of the 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller, and any other >> > Master >> >> > IDE >> >> >> > controller >> >> >> >> listed. >> >> >> >> (You won't be able to remove the Primary and Secondary IDE >> >> >> > Controllers....that's >> >> >> >> normal) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Remove all items in the "Other" category. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If any duplicates that do not appear in normal mode are found in > the >> >> >> > following >> >> >> >> categories, remove ALL instances of the item in that category: >> >> >> >> Floppy disk controllers, CDROM, CD-ROM controllers, and Disk > drives. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Click OK, and restart in normal mode, letting Windows detect the >> > items. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Windows will re-detect the IDE controller, and the primary and >> >> > secondary >> >> >> >> controllers. Wait to reboot till all three have been detected. > If >> > any >> >> >> > other >> >> >> >> present devices were deleted due to duplicates, allow them to be >> >> > detected >> >> >> > also, then >> >> >> >> reboot. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Post back with your results. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Compatibility Mode Problems with PCI-IDE Hard Drive Controllers: >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=151911 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Troubleshooting MSDOS Compatibility Mode: >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=130179 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cannot Remove Hard Disk Controller in Device Manager >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=202393 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/ >> >> >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> news:%23$DEo2l0HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >I may of made problem worse!!! >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I tried updating the drivers on both the primary and secondary > IDE >> >> >> >> > Controllers, and it did find another driver for the secondary, >> >> > although >> >> >> >> > advised sticking with the current. I chose the other driver > found, >> >> > and >> >> >> > upon >> >> >> >> > startup got some warning indicating there was some sort of > child >> >> > device >> >> >> >> > present, and something to the effect that it would not operate >> > with >> >> >> >> > selection made, and reverted back to the other driver. Since > then, >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > yellow warning is also present on the Secondary, and now if I > try >> > to >> >> >> > update >> >> >> >> > drivers it always says the current is the best. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I don't see any difference in computer performance or > operation. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Thanks again, Todd McD >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "McDermotts" <jmcderm3@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > news:eCK0Mdl0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> >> Just recently started using this old computer since other one >> > broke. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All works ok, but seems rather sluggish. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I find under device manager. hard disk controllers it lists >> > "Intel >> >> >> >> >> 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Primary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and >> > there >> >> > is a >> >> >> >> >> yellow circle with the exclamation point inside. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Under that it lists "Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo)" and > no >> >> >> > warning >> >> >> >> >> indicator. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I tried removing the IDE Controller listing, then restarting. > It >> >> > says >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> current drivers are the best. The yellow warning comes rigfht >> > back, >> >> >> > also. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for any help/info, Todd McD >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> >> http://dts-l.org/ >> >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
Guest glee Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Re: IDE Controller problem? Here's some of the external links from the original page I linked for you re: LBA: http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/lba.htm http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/bios/modesLBA-c.html http://www.boot-us.com/gloss11.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:uA48n3G1HHA.1344@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > USB 2.0 external hard drive enclosures: > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?cat=2779&keywords=usb%202.0%20hard%20drive%20enclosure&mnf= > and > http://www.usbgear.com/USB-SERIAL-ADAPTER-USB-Enlosures.html > > There's also this: > NewerTech® USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter > http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php > > Newer Technology: Where to Buy - U.S. Resellers > http://www.newertech.com/us_resellers.php > > > LBA -Logical block addressing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing > > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > snip
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